Re: GP3 AI

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> > > Yup... I am not surprised at all. One "feature" of the GP2 AI which > > I totally hated, is that on many straights they would try to ram you > > if you attempted a pass. > > While the GP2 AI wasn't perfect at all, this is simply untrue. Oh wait, > maybe the AI knew it was you ;-)

LOL, I just love the GP3 AI. They now take the inside before the next corner to keep you from going inside braking late. They battle you even after you passed them (most other AI just gives up and falls back, remember?). I'd say, it's the most real and challenging AI in a racing sim today. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

> Yup... I am not surprised at all. One "feature" of the GP2 AI which > I totally hated, is that on many straights they would try to ram you > if you attempted a pass. While the GP2 AI wasn't perfect at all, this is simply untrue. Oh wait, maybe the AI knew it was you ;-)

On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:05:12 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> mangled uncounted electrons thus: >What do you all think of the GP3 AI? Aggressive sons of bitches! >I HATE the bastards! 9 out of 10 times they ram me when I cleanly >overtake them, even on long straights! ??? The only time I've come into collision with AI cars is when *I* lose control... (which happens too often, so I'm not going into that!) >I have the feeling the AI hardly tries to avoid me when I'm driving >next to them. Even when I'm on the inside of a corner, and there's >enough space for the both of us, they just drive to the inside, taking >us both out. Ah! You mean the Schumacher Syndrome... ^_^ ^_^ >I like the defensive and agressive driving of the AI, but I've got the >feeling that Surtees is driving every car in GP3! I don't find them that bad. I just wish Mika H didn't keep passing me... ^_- Martin D. Pay Only one gripe left with GP3 after 12 hours play - still can't map keys to my LWFF buttons... :(:(:(

What do you all think of the GP3 AI? I HATE the bastards! 9 out of 10 times they ram me when I cleanly overtake them, even on long straights! I have the feeling the AI hardly tries to avoid me when I'm driving next to them. Even when I'm on the inside of a corner, and there's enough space for the both of us, they just drive to the inside, taking us both out. I like the defensive and agressive driving of the AI, but I've got the feeling that Surtees is driving every car in GP3! Andre

I haven't got any problems with them. i think its cool how the go to the middle of the track if you try to overtake them. marc "James Pickard" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:7p4i5.139$[email hidden]...

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> No problem here.. > > Solution? Drive faster > > > James > > > > Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What do you all think of the GP3 AI? > > I HATE the bastards! 9 out of 10 times they ram me when I cleanly > > overtake them, even on long straights! > > I have the feeling the AI hardly tries to avoid me when I'm driving > > next to them. Even when I'm on the inside of a corner, and there's > > enough space for the both of us, they just drive to the inside, taking > > us both out. > > I like the defensive and agressive driving of the AI, but I've got the > > feeling that Surtees is driving every car in GP3! > > > > Andre > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > >What do you all think of the GP3 AI? In november last year, I posted this message: Actually I'm not too happy about the AI in GP2. They are too goddamn easy to pass! In GP2, you can be a whole carlength behind them and yet still pass them under braking because of the timid way they act. A real driver might stick to the racing line, but a GP2 AI driver will hurl themselves off the road rather than risk contact with you going into a corner. The benefit from a "tow" is way too much as well. Is there an editor to cut this back a bit? The reality is that if you're just 0.1 second a lap quicker than a GP2 AI car, then you are guaranteed to be able to get past him within a lap or so. I'm glad to see that pretty much all of this has been fixed. I especially like the way that they now defend the inside line under braking into corners. >I HATE the bastards! 9 out of 10 times they ram me when I cleanly >overtake them, even on long straights! I dont have that problem.

AI is really great... They race you hard and fair... I did a 100% race on Ace level @ Hungaroring few days ago (I won!)... it was really cool to see how the backmarkers where making room for you... if they where in a fight they would back off the fight and let you pass, just as in real life... (Except for that Ricardo Tosser, man, that bastard doesn't let you by, like he is racing for first place. Took me 2 laps once (lapped him 3 times total) to get past him. Yup, they modelled Ricardo perfectly, very realistic :D). Only times I crashed with an AI it was my fault, the replays proved it was my mistake whille I thought to myself why did that bastard punt me off?... Oh wait, it was my own mistake :) -- Sjon "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> What do you all think of the GP3 AI? > I HATE the bastards! 9 out of 10 times they ram me when I cleanly > overtake them, even on long straights! > I have the feeling the AI hardly tries to avoid me when I'm driving > next to them. Even when I'm on the inside of a corner, and there's > enough space for the both of us, they just drive to the inside, taking > us both out. > I like the defensive and agressive driving of the AI, but I've got the > feeling that Surtees is driving every car in GP3! > > Andre

No problem here.. Solution? Drive faster James

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What do you all think of the GP3 AI? > I HATE the bastards! 9 out of 10 times they ram me when I cleanly > overtake them, even on long straights! Yup... I am not surprised at all. One "feature" of the GP2 AI which I totally hated, is that on many straights they would try to ram you if you attempted a pass. Many "normal passing" points on the various tracks would not be a problem. I believe I joked at that time that he has the Nascar AI all set :-) Come to think of it, this was another niggling problem with GP2 and WOrld Circuit which I hated. It is almost like a penalty for attempting to pass at a point where you shouldn't. -- [email hidden] > I have the feeling the AI hardly tries to avoid me when I'm driving > next to them. Even when I'm on the inside of a corner, and there's > enough space for the both of us, they just drive to the inside, taking > us both out. > I like the defensive and agressive driving of the AI, but I've got the > feeling that Surtees is driving every car in GP3! > > Andre

No problem here.. Solution? Drive faster James Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> What do you all think of the GP3 AI? > I HATE the bastards! 9 out of 10 times they ram me when I cleanly > overtake them, even on long straights! > I have the feeling the AI hardly tries to avoid me when I'm driving > next to them. Even when I'm on the inside of a corner, and there's > enough space for the both of us, they just drive to the inside, taking > us both out. > I like the defensive and agressive driving of the AI, but I've got the > feeling that Surtees is driving every car in GP3! > > Andre

In article <[email hidden]>, GD <[email hidden]> writes >In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> >>What do you all think of the GP3 AI? > ><snip> > >I'm glad to see that pretty much all of this has been fixed. >I especially like the way that they now defend the inside line >under braking into corners. > >Why has it taken so long though. I hacked into the original Microprose Grand Prix on my Atari 10 years ago and had them doing this. It wasn't difficult to code.

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> > > >>I HATE the bastards! 9 out of 10 times they ram me when I cleanly >>overtake them, even on long straights! > >I dont have that problem. > > >

-- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > What do you all think of the GP3 AI? > I HATE the bastards! 9 out of 10 times they ram me when I cleanly > overtake them, even on long straights! No problem here, only when I brake too early, or lose traction coming out of a turn that I generally get punted, just as I would expect to be. Cheers, Rod.

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6afi5.13537$[email hidden]...

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> Yup... I am not surprised at all. One "feature" of the GP2 AI which > I totally hated, is that on many straights they would try to ram you > if you attempted a pass. Many "normal passing" points on the > various tracks would not be a problem. I believe I joked at that > time that he has the Nascar AI all set :-) > > Come to think of it, this was another niggling problem with GP2 > and WOrld Circuit which I hated. It is almost like a penalty for > attempting to pass at a point where you shouldn't.

I really don't get where you're coming from at all. I played GP2 for 2 years and had almost no problems racing with the AI. Certainly not on the straights. If anything, they were too easy to pass. The only thing that irked me was the way the lapped cars would sometimes try a little too hard to let me pass, and I'd wind up running right into them. Still on the whole, better than any other sim I've seen. Don't have GP3 yet, so no comment there. A.

On 5 Aug 2000 03:27:36 GMT, [email hidden] (GD) mangled uncounted electrons thus: <snip> . >P.S. This was raised when it was noticed that the cars will >always pit to change to the 'right' tyre type depending on >weather, (no matter how few laps are left) and would NEVER >consider doing what Rubens did, and play out the final few >laps on the 'wrong' tyres. <grin> You mean like Mika did... Martin D. Pay .sig space for rent

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> > Somebody brought up the topic of the race strategy (if any) > of GP3 cars a few days ago and asked someone to try a little > experiment. Here it is: > > With one and a half laps to go, damage the front wing of the > leader. The result is that they immediately pit to repair > the damage, and come out again in 10th place or wherever. > > This is in contrast to 'real life', where the best strategy > is to continue on for that extra lap and maybe lose just a > place or two.

I read somewhere that they tried to use neural networks for the AI, but driving at PO of 500% was no fun, so they skiped the idea... ;) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

and would NEVER > consider doing what Rubens did, and play out the final few > laps on the 'wrong' tyres. that's up to you :)

Somebody brought up the topic of the race strategy (if any) of GP3 cars a few days ago and asked someone to try a little experiment. Here it is: With one and a half laps to go, damage the front wing of the leader. The result is that they immediately pit to repair the damage, and come out again in 10th place or wherever. This is in contrast to 'real life', where the best strategy is to continue on for that extra lap and maybe lose just a place or two. cheers... P.S. This was raised when it was noticed that the cars will always pit to change to the 'right' tyre type depending on weather, (no matter how few laps are left) and would NEVER consider doing what Rubens did, and play out the final few laps on the 'wrong' tyres.

and would NEVER that's up to you :)

Yeah, that was me. :) Jeez, another easily fixable code legacy left over from F1GP. :( -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

uncounted electrons thus: <snip> . <grin> You mean like Mika did... Martin D. Pay .sig space for rent

In article <[email hidden]>, GD <[email hidden]> writes > >Somebody brought up the topic of the race strategy (if any) >of GP3 cars a few days ago and asked someone to try a little >experiment. Here it is: > Yeah, that was me. :)

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>With one and a half laps to go, damage the front wing of the >leader. The result is that they immediately pit to repair >the damage, and come out again in 10th place or wherever. > >This is in contrast to 'real life', where the best strategy >is to continue on for that extra lap and maybe lose just a >place or two. >

Jeez, another easily fixable code legacy left over from F1GP. :(

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> >cheers... >P.S. This was raised when it was noticed that the cars will >always pit to change to the 'right' tyre type depending on >weather, (no matter how few laps are left) and would NEVER >consider doing what Rubens did, and play out the final few >laps on the 'wrong' tyres. >

-- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

Its good to see some AI that lacks a bit of I sometimes.. a bit of brain fade. Makes its much more realistic Luke 87 druidh <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Qnoj5.12542$[email hidden]... > Racing at Sliverstone and braking in the Becketts complex only to see > Barichello come past me on my left, outbrake himself and go straight ononto > the grass - laughed so much I missed the next corner and did likewise,only > to see him pass me before I got back on the track. A cunning overtaking > manoeuvre?? > >

Racing at Sliverstone and braking in the Becketts complex only to see Barichello come past me on my left, outbrake himself and go straight on onto the grass - laughed so much I missed the next corner and did likewise, only to see him pass me before I got back on the track. A cunning overtaking manoeuvre??