GPL: Nür-bugger hath surrendered! + advice needed

Yes, yes, yes. Up until this morning my PB at the Ring was a 10:12 with two dead-stop spins. I felt I'd learned the track (even though my all-time lap count didn't exceed 30), but with this feeling of mastery over the track I had arrived at what must be the most strenuous situation in GPL: when know you would instantly squeeze a tremendously fast lap if only you could get a clean lap, and then, driving over your abilities, simply keep mashing your car in the worst imaginable places (La Source, Meuspath, you know the sort) until you just quit, so frustrated there's smoke coming from your ears. It took me an incredible amount of restraint to keep cool and drive safely. But the 9:49.xx lap this morning was co clean I could have eaten my bloody breakfast off it! You can't possibly imagine the panic I was in when I started braking for Meuspath on that lap... unless you've been there too. .) But I could use some expert help on one particular section which more often that not is rather fatal to my laps. Schwalbenschwanz, I think it is, or the two-three curves preceding the smaller Karussel. I just can't understand how the car starts pirouetting when I dive between those chequered railings even at crawl speed. I kinda suspect it has to do with the sudden elevation change, because it feels quite a lot like those two beautifully hideous downhill lefthanders in Mosport which I also regularly turn into ballet exercises. Can you give any clues about how this kind of curves should be negotiated? +Cinquo +Cinquo

For me the Mosport trackguide http://lightsoutracing.simplenet.com/trackguides/index.html with its replay and setup was invaluable. rms [email hidden]

In article <8mchlq$pgm$[email hidden]>, Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> writes <snip>

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>But I could use some expert help on one particular section which >more often that not is rather fatal to my laps. Schwalbenschwanz, >I think it is, or the two-three curves preceding the smaller Karussel. >I just can't understand how the car starts pirouetting when I dive >between those chequered railings even at crawl speed. I kinda suspect >it has to do with the sudden elevation change, because it feels >quite a lot like those two beautifully hideous downhill lefthanders >in Mosport which I also regularly turn into ballet exercises. Can >you give any clues about how this kind of curves should be negotiated? >

I think I know which one you mean. Normally I'm in 4th gear as I approach the first right-hand part. I discovered that if I brake too hard or too late here, then the back end wants to start coming round because I'm not braking in a straight line. So, brake early and change down to 3rd just before you turn in for the first part. Then straighten out and brake again and change down to 2nd. You should now be able to turn right and through the chequered walls without the car getting away. Make sure that you are braking in a straight line for both corners and earlier than normal for safety sake otherwise, like I said, the car can definitely become unbalanced. -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

Try some of Alison's Ferrari setups, I did on my second ever finished lap around 9.48.00. They are truly much more easier to drive and contrlol Marko Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <8mchlq$pgm$[email hidden]>, Ville V Sinkko > <[email hidden]> writes > > <snip> > > >But I could use some expert help on one particular section which > >more often that not is rather fatal to my laps. Schwalbenschwanz, > >I think it is, or the two-three curves preceding the smaller Karussel. > >I just can't understand how the car starts pirouetting when I dive > >between those chequered railings even at crawl speed. I kinda suspect > >it has to do with the sudden elevation change, because it feels > >quite a lot like those two beautifully hideous downhill lefthanders > >in Mosport which I also regularly turn into ballet exercises. Can > >you give any clues about how this kind of curves should be negotiated? > > > > I think I know which one you mean. Normally I'm in 4th gear as I > approach the first right-hand part. I discovered that if I brake too > hard or too late here, then the back end wants to start coming round > because I'm not braking in a straight line. So, brake early and change > down to 3rd just before you turn in for the first part. Then straighten > out and brake again and change down to 2nd. You should now be able to > turn right and through the chequered walls without the car getting away. > Make sure that you are braking in a straight line for both corners and > earlier than normal for safety sake otherwise, like I said, the car can > definitely become unbalanced. > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > > No person's opinions can be said to be > more correct than another's, because each is > the sole judge of his or her own experience.

On 3 Aug 2000 19:37:30 GMT, Ville V Sinkko wrote:

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>Yes, yes, yes. Up until this morning my PB at the Ring was a >10:12 with two dead-stop spins. I felt I'd learned the track (even >though my all-time lap count didn't exceed 30), but with this feeling >of mastery over the track I had arrived at what must be the most >strenuous situation in GPL: when know you would instantly squeeze >a tremendously fast lap if only you could get a clean lap, and then, >driving over your abilities, simply keep mashing your car in the >worst imaginable places (La Source, Meuspath, you know the sort) >until you just quit, so frustrated there's smoke coming from your ears.

I know how you feel. My PB at the Ring was for a very long time 9.39 with Lotus. Then I changed to Ferrari because I could not handle the Lotus. With Ferrari I could barely get under 10 minutes. Then I read on Alisons pages that maybe Cooper would be the right car for me. And soon my personal best was 9.15. Yesterday I set my target to breaking the 9 minute barrier and getting my handicap below 100. I drove at the Ring for three hours. I was driving at my limits and too often over the limits. One lap I messed up at Meuspath, one lap I managed to spun at the Kleine Karussel on a very hot lap..... But I could manage two "clean" laps (well, with a ride at the bankings) and the best was 9.01.33, the other one was 9.04. My handicap went below 100 but still the nine minute barrier... If only I could have been able to relax and stay in control I could have EASILY gone below 9 minutes. I was so frustrated with myself, 3 hours and only 2 "good" laptimes. But that is the Ring... -- <[email hidden]=@X@[email hidden]=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-> < Tero Turtiainen | Yes Sir, may I lick your boots or do your Highness > < turtiain at iki.fi | use dry cleaning? - Stone > <-=-=-=-=- @ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-> NOTE: When replying, make the obvious change to my email-address. spam@sucks

Ville V Sinkko wrote <snip snap> > You can't possibly imagine the panic > I was in when I started braking for Meuspath on that lap... unless > you've been there too. .) Been there, done that, got the ... no wait a minute... Did get NO T-shirt! :-)

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> > But I could use some expert help on one particular section which > more often that not is rather fatal to my laps. Schwalbenschwanz, > I think it is, or the two-three curves preceding the smaller Karussel. > I just can't understand how the car starts pirouetting when I dive > between those chequered railings even at crawl speed. I kinda suspect > it has to do with the sudden elevation change, because it feels > quite a lot like those two beautifully hideous downhill lefthanders > in Mosport which I also regularly turn into ballet exercises. Can > you give any clues about how this kind of curves should be negotiated? >

What I have done, and could say that it works for me, is that download a replay, put it in car view and 'drive along'. Use the wheel and pedals like it was you driving. Thats what I've done. -- Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank -1.83 <-- (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) -->