Re: GPL Turning radius decreases with steering ratio ??

In article <tdji5.2381$[email hidden]>, "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> writes: >I've noticed I can't make hairpins for love or money if the steering ratio >is up around 17:1 or 18:1, anyone else see this ?? > >rms >[email hidden] I think I have mine set to about 18. It isn't EASY, but I can do it. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I've noticed I can't make hairpins for love or money if the steering ratio is up around 17:1 or 18:1, anyone else see this ?? rms [email hidden]

In article <tdji5.2381$[email hidden]>, Roger Squires <[email hidden]> wrote: >I've noticed I can't make hairpins for love or money if the steering ratio >is up around 17:1 or 18:1, anyone else see this ?? Yes. The total amount the tyres can turn also depends on the steering ratio, since the steering wheel has a hard limit how far it can turn left or right. If you have a steering ratio of 18:1 then it means, that 18 (degrees?) of steering input will result in 1 degree of tyre movement. So the lower the steering ratio you have (14:1 for example) the more the tyres will turn and you can also make a tighter curve with less steering input. -Juha -- //[email hidden]

If you have the steering hack enabled in the core.ini then whatever ratio you set the wheel to will remain constant, whereas if it is disabled you will get a 7:1 ratio as your car goes below 70mph (or is it 50??) thus enabling you to make it around hairpins and such. TJSB Juha Kallioinen wrote:

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> > In article <tdji5.2381$[email hidden]>, > Roger Squires <[email hidden]> wrote: > >I've noticed I can't make hairpins for love or money if the steering ratio > >is up around 17:1 or 18:1, anyone else see this ?? > > Yes. The total amount the tyres can turn also depends on the steering > ratio, since the steering wheel has a hard limit how far it can turn > left or right. > > If you have a steering ratio of 18:1 then it means, that 18 (degrees?) of > steering input will result in 1 degree of tyre movement. So the lower the > steering ratio you have (14:1 for example) the more the tyres will turn > and you can also make a tighter curve with less steering input. > > -Juha > > -- > //[email hidden]

"Thomas JS Brown" ... > If you have the steering hack enabled in the core.ini then whatever > ratio you set the wheel to will remain constant, whereas if it is > disabled you will get a 7:1 ratio as your car goes below 70mph Aha! I think I have it enabled, I'll try it disabled again. rms [email hidden]

[email hidden] (Thomas JS Brown) wrote in <[email hidden]>: >If you have the steering hack enabled in the core.ini then whatever >ratio you set the wheel to will remain constant, whereas if it is >disabled you will get a 7:1 ratio as your car goes below 70mph (or is it >50??) thus enabling you to make it around hairpins and such. From the 1.1 read.me By default, GPL uses a speed-sensitive steering ratio. At and above 60MPH, the steering ratio specified by your car setup is used. Below that speed, your the steering ratio will be set to somewhere between 7:1 and the ratio defined by your car setup. GPL does this to make it possible to exit your pit stall when pit road is crowded, and to make navigating hairpin turns easier. You can disable this feature by adding the following two lines to core.ini [ Hack ] steer_ratio = 0 So 1 is on and 0 is off. Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -5.09 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/

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> > "Thomas JS Brown" ... > > If you have the steering hack enabled in the core.ini then whatever > > ratio you set the wheel to will remain constant, whereas if it is > > disabled you will get a 7:1 ratio as your car goes below 70mph > > Aha! I think I have it enabled, I'll try it disabled again.

It helps you out it doesn't hurt you...it's included to get out of pits easily. Take Juha's advice... Jon

Roger Squires <[email hidden]> wrote: : I've noticed I can't make hairpins for love or money if the steering ratio : is up around 17:1 or 18:1, anyone else see this ?? You have three choices. 1) Take the steering ratio down - makes the car trick to control though on straights and shallower bends. 2) Turn the steering hack on as other people have described. You may get funny problems in slow corners however. 3) Put on a bit of extra power or trail brake your way round. You'll almost certainly tank into the barriers and mash the car though. Apparently last year was the first year in ages that williams had built a car which was capable of putting enough steering lock to get around the lowes hairpin. Previous years the drivers had to oversteer to get around. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

EldredP wrote (about steering ratio) > I think I have mine set to about 18. It isn't EASY, but I can do it. This might be a stupid question, but you have tried a lower value, haven't you? I remember you once stating that you find the car too 'twichy'. My english isn't too good in all areas, so I don't exactly now what that means, but I quess that means, that you feel the car too sensitive to drive. Don't get me wrong, but how the heck can you turn in the car to turns? Or can do fast corrections, or even make it through Curva Grande at all? I have tried 15:1 and fail on all on those mentioned. 11:1 feels the maximum for me. Iv'e begun to think maybe it is my wheel. Many of you using Guillemot Ferrari FF like I do? (I'm sure at least one brit instantly thought, "well, how do you use it then?" Yea. weeery funny :-) (BTW I think G.Huttu uses one nowadays too. I think I saw that stated on his website.) Yesterday got nothing but discos online. Let's see if the inet wheather is better tonight. -- Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank -1.83 <-- (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) -->

Jon Andersen wrote > When I started GPL-ing, I used a steering ratio of 11:1-13-1. That enabled > me quickly to change directions, with a had o do quite often, sice Ididn't > know the tracks, nor the car. > > Today, I use 15:1 at all tracks, except at the RIng, where I use 13:1.Sure, > these ratios makes the car more twitchy, but the main thing is that these > setting allows me to opposite lock fast enough. I think you are correct. I have thought so myself too, that in fact, you need more *skill* to drive on higher steering ratios and still drive fast. This obviously includes, as you said, knowing the track and the car. And I hardly can say that I know the tracks or the car(s). So : More practising -> set a higher steering ratio -> break the world records. Sounds promising to me :-) -- Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank -1.83 <-- (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) -->

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> > When I started GPL-ing, I used a steering ratio of 11:1-13-1. That enabled > me quickly to change directions, with a had o do quite often, sice I didn't > know the tracks, nor the car. > > Today, I use 15:1 at all tracks, except at the RIng, where I use 13:1. Sure, > these ratios makes the car more twitchy, but the main thing is that these > setting allows me to opposite lock fast enough.

13:1 twitchy?? Pretty slow steering response for me...the highest I will go anymore is 10:1 but I prefer 7:1 as a general rule.

<snip> > Don't get me wrong, but how the heck can you turn in the car to turns? > Or can do fast corrections, or even make it through Curva Grande at all? > I have tried 15:1 and fail on all on those mentioned. > 11:1 feels the maximum for me. <snip> > Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank -1.83 When I started GPL-ing, I used a steering ratio of 11:1-13-1. That enabled me quickly to change directions, with a had o do quite often, sice I didn't know the tracks, nor the car. Today, I use 15:1 at all tracks, except at the RIng, where I use 13:1. Sure, these ratios makes the car more twitchy, but the main thing is that these setting allows me to opposite lock fast enough. My advice to Eldred and to everyone else is to try Nunnini's Lotus setup at the Ring, using 13:1 steering ratio and 57 pst brake balance. I did that, and Improved my PB at the third lap by 8 seconds. Jon Andersen

<snip> > My advice to Eldred and to everyone else is to try Nunnini's Lotus setupat > the Ring, using 13:1 steering ratio and 57 pst brake balance. I did that, > and Improved my PB at the third lap by 8 seconds. > > Jon Andersen > Whoops! Make sure you get the setup that uses 85/60 ramp angles. In his later setups, I think he used 60/30 or 45/60. The latter ramp angles is a lot harder that the 85/60 angles. Jon Andersen

I also had this problem. I've turned off the steering hack, because it screwed up the slow hairpins. But then I needed a sub 1:10 ratio at Monaco to make the hairpins, but this made the car too twitchy in the faster corners. I solved the problem by using a 1:8 ratio on every track, every car, every setup and set the linearity slider to only about 2/3rd linear (where the gauge needle of the background pic is). This has the advantage that the car feels quite the same on every track and I can apply a vast opposite lock, which can correct otherwise unrecoverable spins. Today I had such an incident at Spa, Burnenville, where I put a wheel on the dirt at 300kph and I recovered the Lotus from maybe 45degs sideways. This cost only about a second due to speed loss, but would have been impossible with a 1:13 or 1:15 ratio. Try it out, full linearity is not the holy grail! BTW, I'm using a LWFF. Peter argh! <[email hidden]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: 8meo7l$72f$[email hidden]...

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> EldredP wrote > (about steering ratio) > > > I think I have mine set to about 18. It isn't EASY, but I can do it. > > This might be a stupid question, but you have tried a lower value, haven't > you? > I remember you once stating that you find the car too 'twichy'. > My english isn't too good in all areas, so I don't exactly now what that > means, but > I quess that means, that you feel the car too sensitive to drive. > > Don't get me wrong, but how the heck can you turn in the car to turns? > Or can do fast corrections, or even make it through Curva Grande at all? > I have tried 15:1 and fail on all on those mentioned. > 11:1 feels the maximum for me. > > Iv'e begun to think maybe it is my wheel. > > Many of you using Guillemot Ferrari FF like I do? > (I'm sure at least one brit instantly thought, "well, how do you use it > then?" > Yea. weeery funny :-) > > (BTW I think G.Huttu uses one nowadays too. > I think I saw that stated on his website.) > > Yesterday got nothing but discos online. > Let's see if the inet wheather is better tonight. > > -- > Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank -1.83 > <-- > (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) > --> > > >

> 13:1 twitchy?? Pretty slow steering response for me...the highest I will > go anymore is 10:1 but I prefer 7:1 as a general rule. I forgot to mention that my steering is set to 100 pst linear. Somehow I think you use less linear steering. 7:1 and linear steering..... Whoops.... Skidding heavily... Whoops.... Skidding heavily after opposite locking.... Whoops... Crash.... %#%&�#!!!! Back to 13-15:1 Jon Andersen

In article <wLEi5.1356$[email hidden]>, "Jon Andersen" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>When I started GPL-ing, I used a steering ratio of 11:1-13-1. That enabled >me quickly to change directions, with a had o do quite often, sice I didn't >know the tracks, nor the car. > >Today, I use 15:1 at all tracks, except at the RIng, where I use 13:1. Sure, >these ratios makes the car more twitchy, but the main thing is that these >setting allows me to opposite lock fast enough. > >My advice to Eldred and to everyone else is to try Nunnini's Lotus setup at >the Ring, using 13:1 steering ratio and 57 pst brake balance. I did that, >and Improved my PB at the third lap by 8 seconds. > >Jon Andersen

Are you kidding? If I used 13:1, I'd quickly be in the wall(bushes/trees). I took Alison's Lotus setups, and had to change them all to 18:1. Too twitchy otherwise... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:43:20 +0300, "argh!" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> I think I have mine set to about 18. It isn't EASY, but I can do it. > >Many of you using Guillemot Ferrari FF like I do? >(I'm sure at least one brit instantly thought, "well, how do you use it >then?" >Yea. weeery funny :-) > >(BTW I think G.Huttu uses one nowadays too. >I think I saw that stated on his website.)

Yes, I have a GFFF. Before with TM Nascar Pro I used 14:1 or 15:1 steering ratio but now with GFFF I've begun to use 16:1. It feels better somehow. If you don't have the steering linearity slider almost completely to the left you should try doing that.. oh, I have the steering hack turned off for all tracks except Monaco. - Greger http://www.kolumbus.fi/ghuttu/

No, I have mine set at 100 percent linear. It's not jumpy although it is sensitive and once you get the hang of it you can be very precise. TJSB Jon Andersen wrote:

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> > > 13:1 twitchy?? Pretty slow steering response for me...the highest I will > > go anymore is 10:1 but I prefer 7:1 as a general rule. > > I forgot to mention that my steering is set to 100 pst linear. Somehow I > think you use less linear steering. 7:1 and linear steering..... Whoops.... > Skidding heavily... Whoops.... Skidding heavily after opposite locking.... > Whoops... Crash.... %#%&�#!!!! > > Back to 13-15:1 > > Jon Andersen

On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:52:13 GMT Greger Huttu <[email hidden]> wrote: % Yes, I have a GFFF. Before with TM Nascar Pro I used 14:1 or 15:1 % steering ratio but now with GFFF I've begun to use 16:1. It feels % better somehow. That's because the GFFF's pot is dead on both extreme ends of the range. The TM wheels had readings lock-to-lock. So with the Guillemot wheel, even though you have the a few more degress to turn on the wheel, doing so will not register. % If you don't have the steering linearity slider almost completely to % the left you should try doing that.. oh, I have the steering hack % turned off for all tracks except Monaco. Agreed, I have finally worked up to the point of having the slider all the way to the left (but I think FF has something to do with that). -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

In article <8meo7l$72f$[email hidden]>, "argh!" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote >(about steering ratio) > >> I think I have mine set to about 18. It isn't EASY, but I can do it. > >This might be a stupid question, but you have tried a lower value, haven't >you?

Not stupid, but you must have missed my other message about it. Alison's setups usually have a 15:1 ratio. I can't drive it, so I bump it up to 18:1 >I remember you once stating that you find the car too 'twichy'. >My english isn't too good in all areas, so I don't exactly now what that >means, but >I quess that means, that you feel the car too sensitive to drive. Correct.

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> >Don't get me wrong, but how the heck can you turn in the car to turns? >Or can do fast corrections, or even make it through Curva Grande at all? >I have tried 15:1 and fail on all on those mentioned. >11:1 feels the maximum for me. > >Iv'e begun to think maybe it is my wheel.

Gotta be - I have no problems at Curva Grande. It's only a shallow turn. Could you perhaps be thinking of a *different* turn at Monza? -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (Greger Huttu) wrote in <[email hidden]>: >I have the steering hack >turned off for all tracks except Monaco. I definitely prefer it off, but too many times I would jump into a vroc race at Monaco or Mexico and find that I had forgotten to turn it back on, that I have left it on permanently. It would really be nice to be able to set this in the setup page for each track rather than in core.ini. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -5.09 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/

> I definitely prefer it off, but too many times I would jump into a vroc race at > Monaco or Mexico and find that I had forgotten to turn it back on, that I have > left it on permanently. It would really be nice to be able to set this in the > setup page for each track rather than in core.ini. Hi Don, I think that was one of one of the options from GPaL. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Official member: Screamers Racing League Sim Racing Mag Honda Challenge Sim Racing Mag F2 Ferrari GPL Rank 33.40 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans?, Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? ----------------- Stressed is just Desserts backwards

On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 05:26:10 GMT Don Scurlock <[email hidden]> wrote: % I definitely prefer it off, but too many times I would jump into a vroc race at % Monaco or Mexico and find that I had forgotten to turn it back on, that I have % left it on permanently. It would really be nice to be able to set this in the % setup page for each track rather than in core.ini. It is an option in WinVROC on the Advanced tab when you join: "Disable Speed Sensitive Steer Ratio" -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

EldredP wrote > Gotta be - I have no problems at Curva Grande. It's only a shallow turn. > Could you perhaps be thinking of a *different* turn at Monza? No. That's what I mean. That turn is taken with such speed, that with higher setting, I'm always grasping the railing. I just feel I need the sharp steering there. Lesmos are sharper turns, but the speed is slower, so I can manage with higher setting also. Maybe I need to have a brake with GPL, because I just raced at Spa online and could do only 3:30 on my best lap! Makes me worried... -- Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank -1.83 <-- (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) -->

[email hidden] wrote in <iWij5.10899$[email hidden]>: >It is an option in WinVROC on the Advanced tab when you join: > >"Disable Speed Sensitive Steer Ratio" Thanks Michael. I feel pretty dim. I had noticed it as an option in Hosting but hadn't noticed it in Joining. I'll be using that feature from now on. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -5.09 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/

In article <8mkijm$1qf$[email hidden]>, "argh!" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote > >> Gotta be - I have no problems at Curva Grande. It's only a shallow turn. >> Could you perhaps be thinking of a *different* turn at Monza? > >No. That's what I mean. >That turn is taken with such speed, that with higher setting, I'm always >grasping the railing. >I just feel I need the sharp steering there. > >Lesmos are sharper turns, but the speed is slower, so I can manage with >higher setting also. > >Maybe I need to have a brake with GPL, because >I just raced at Spa online and could do only 3:30 on my best lap! > >Makes me worried...

Why? Just because you 'toned down' during a race? What's your NORMAL Spa time, and where did you finish in the race? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

As a huge fan of your setups Greger, I must say that your post is to me probably the most useful information I have learned from following this newsgroup. I have alternated between hack on and off, but now it is going off for good. Thanks again. BTW, are you increasing your ratio with the GFFF because (and I'm guessing here) it has a shorter lock-to-lock than the TM Nascar Pro (which I recall has 270 degree lock-to-lock)? Does anyone know the lock-to-lock of the GSFF? Timothy Moran "Greger Huttu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:43:20 +0300, "argh!" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> I think I have mine set to about 18. It isn't EASY, but I can do it. > > > >Many of you using Guillemot Ferrari FF like I do? > >(I'm sure at least one brit instantly thought, "well, how do you use it > >then?" > >Yea. weeery funny :-) > > > >(BTW I think G.Huttu uses one nowadays too. > >I think I saw that stated on his website.) > > Yes, I have a GFFF. Before with TM Nascar Pro I used 14:1 or 15:1 > steering ratio but now with GFFF I've begun to use 16:1. It feels > better somehow. > > If you don't have the steering linearity slider almost completely to > the left you should try doing that.. oh, I have the steering hack > turned off for all tracks except Monaco. > > - Greger > http://www.kolumbus.fi/ghuttu/

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> In article <8mkijm$1qf$[email hidden]>, "argh!" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Maybe I need to have a brake with GPL, because > >I just raced at Spa online and could do only 3:30 on my best lap! > > > >Makes me worried... > > Why? Just because you 'toned down' during a race? What's your NORMAL Spa > time, and where did you finish in the race? >

Well, on a clean lap I do 3:22-3:25 with not trying to push too hard but try to drive fast. And I felt that I was driving like that. (pb is 3:20:xx). BUT when I think about it, did I have a clean lap on that race? I don't have a replay and Spa is just long enough for me to feel I did a good lap, and just forget that *little* spin somewhere :-). Honestly (in this at least 2nd degree interrogation :-}) I cannot say for sure I had a clean lap. It was a nice race with 18(!) drivers. 1st lap eau-rouge was a mess (as always?) but after that I think it was all and all a good race. I started 18th and finished 6th! Well, all passing I did was the cars that had crashed or spinned off or just discoed. BTW. 5 laps at Spa is too short for a race IMO. I think I'm getting a better racer. At monza I can put a 11 laps race, with all laptimes at the 1:30-level and no spins. Well, almost none ;) Still if I'm catching someone and come close, I tend to loose it just because I'm trying, maybe too hard, to avoid hitting to others tail. I need to practise passing. Any volunteers? :-) -- Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank -1.83 <-- (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) -->

Heat will be out later this month, N4 either in November or February, depending on the source...<g> -- Scott Moore The Sports Gaming Network http://www.sports-gaming.com "Where are we going, and why are we in a handbasket?" mike malone <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > when is it due out > & nascar 4 @ the same time ?????? >

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>Well, on a clean lap I do 3:22-3:25 with not trying to push too hard but try >to drive fast. >And I felt that I was driving like that. (pb is 3:20:xx). >BUT when I think about it, did I have a clean lap on that race? >I don't have a replay and Spa is just long enough for me to feel I did a >good lap, and >just forget that *little* spin somewhere :-). >Honestly (in this at least 2nd degree interrogation :-}) I cannot say for >sure I had a clean lap. > >It was a nice race with 18(!) drivers. 1st lap eau-rouge was a mess (as >always?) but after that I think >it was all and all a good race. >I started 18th and finished 6th! Well, all passing I did was the cars that >had crashed or spinned off or just discoed. > >BTW. >5 laps at Spa is too short for a race IMO.

Ok, so you're about 5 seconds faster than me, both PB and races. In a 5 lap race at spa, I'm usually about a minute behind at the end... :( Any longer, and I'd get lapped. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Vintook <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Qelk5.38661$t%[email hidden]... > I just saw it as 8/23 on a couple sites. Seeing as Ed is the producer, I'd tend to believe him instead of those sites...LOL. -- Scott Moore The Sports Gaming Network http://www.sports-gaming.com "Where are we going, and why are we in a handbasket?" > > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Obgk5.131$[email hidden]... > > Heat's official shelf date is 8/22. > > > > > > "mike malone" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > when is it due out > > > & nascar 4 @ the same time ?????? > > > > > > > > >

Go a straight at high speed and brake-lock your wheels. Turn in the wheel totally and watch the wheels. their steering angle changes when getting slower. Jens On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 02:53:49 GMT, "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > Aha! I think I have it enabled, I'll try it disabled again. > >rms >[email hidden] > >

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when is it due out & nascar 4 @ the same time ??????

Heat's official shelf date is 8/22. "mike malone" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > when is it due out > & nascar 4 @ the same time ?????? >

I just saw it as 8/23 on a couple sites. "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Obgk5.131$[email hidden]...

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> Heat's official shelf date is 8/22. > > > "mike malone" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > when is it due out > > & nascar 4 @ the same time ?????? > > > >

Tried it, it's not bad. Jens On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:24:37 GMT, "Peter Prochazka" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> >I solved the problem by using a 1:8 ratio on every track, every car, every >setup and set the linearity slider to only about 2/3rd linear (where the<snip> --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: +1.80

Jens, shouldn't you reply with "reply group" then your messages will be in the right thread.... Marko JS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Tried it, it's not bad. > Jens > > On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:24:37 GMT, "Peter Prochazka"<[email hidden]> > wrote: > > <snip> > >I solved the problem by using a 1:8 ratio on every track, every car,every

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Ops, What did I wrong? <Schumi scratches head> What is "reply group"? I always hit the F-key in Agent. HELP me, I'm so irritated ;-) Jens On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:53:18 +0300, "Marko Aaltonen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Jens, shouldn't you reply with "reply group" then your messages will be in >the right thread.... > >Marko --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: +1.31