Re: GP3: did geoff said that a "all new engine"

Ruud van Gaal wrote: > > On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:41:13 +0200, Ronald Stoehr > <[email hidden]> wrote: > snip > > > >After driving GP3 I'm very optimistic... > > I disagree here. Watching the changes from GP2 to GP3 I see no need > for a GP4, EVER. Differences would be so marginal that it will be > caught by a different simulator which DOES look at what modern games Well, maybe he WAS working on GP4 the last 2 years? Okay, I'm a VERY optimistic guy... ;) > can do. Geoff is stuck at the limit for most things. The network play > is really amateuristic, the interface is one of the worst designs I > have ever seen in my life (not exaggerated), and him doing a software > renderer means he doesn't get the point of today's software design & > programming. The end. Agree on most points, although many games, esp. those that have to appeal to a broader audience, still have a software mode. And I definitely haven't seen the end yet..I mean...what end do you mean? ;) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

In article <[email hidden]>, "* Leong" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I recall an interview that he > said something like an all new > game engine will be used for GP3 > instead of just updating GP2 > > Could anyone recall that interveiw ?? Nope, but I definately do remember an interview at least a year ago with a mag (probably either PC Format or PC Gamer) and he definately stated that he was using GP2 as a base. Something along the lines of "After all the work I've put into GP2 I'd be mad to throw it away and start again". BTW, this isn't me slagging the game off. I haven't played it and probably never will - just not interested. Mark Reading, UK Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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> : Yup, the car can roll which is great, the problem is that is doesn't > : show on replay when your own car is rolling for some reason. > > It does on my version. I got hit from behind by that eeejit Hill > coming into bridge in a very wet Silverstone. My Stewart rolled about > three times losing all the detatchable parts (4 wheels, the entire nose > and the rear wing) before coming to rest. I spent a good long while > watching the replay of it.

Hehe, I have a replay of another car catching the tires of my car, going sideways and rolling about 15 (!) times until settling in the gravel pit. I could see it from my cockpit because he did all that right in front of me, as I was too amazed to stear away from him... ;) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> > Rosaire <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Must of you don't know a thing about programming, but a lot about > >whinning !!!! > > I can do both! > > >GP3 is a re-programming of the game (GP2) from being a dos program to a > >window one. Also from software graphic engine to one supporting 3D > >graphic cards. So, my opinion is they have redone it, even if the menu > >and some aspect of the game still look like GP2 !!!. > > They didn't reprogram, they ported the code.

I'd say (looking at the improvements), they had to modify at least 80% of the code. That's a lot more than for some of the sequels we got from this other sim company... > > >I got programming skill, and i know that, the GP3 team and Geoff > >Crammond deserve better for what they have accomplished !!!! > > IMO they didn't use the full hardware potention available nowadays. Looking at the graphics, not only during rain, I don't know what you expect from the graphics. Looks better than any other modern F1 sim.

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> > >GP3 was the next step for them, if they would have done too much change, > >people would still have complain that the game doesn't retain the > >essence of what GP2 was !!! I think, in this area, they have done a good > >job !!! > > Agreed. But unlike GP2, GP3 doesn't raise the bar.

It does in some areas, and is at least equal in many others. > > >I predict GP4, will get quite further in improvement, since the window > >platform is > >already develop !!! > > Disagreed. The current core isn't promissing for future releases, IMO. After driving GP3 I'm very optimistic... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Ashley McConnell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8me4cp$9bu$[email hidden]... > Could it be that what Geoff was talking about was what he THOUGHT GP3 was > going to be......but now it is going to be GP4. Perhaps they didnt quite > get the GP3 engine finished and had to try to get an Improved GP2 engineout > in order to get some money and "please" the masses? > Please the masses?! Now, nobody will buy GP4 ( no more 200 000 preordered copies!!! ) Jaro

yeah leong I'll back you up on that.. i remember that interview!! jv * Leong <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I recall an interview that he > said something like an all new > game engine will be used for GP3 > instead of just updating GP2 > > > Could anyone recall that interveiw ?? > > > Also that as soon as GP2 > was out , he was already buried in GP3 > so much so that he had no time to play > GPL or anything at all, hence he could > not place GP3 anywhere in relation to > "current games"......or something like that > > > > > -- > > Thanks and regards > Leong > SINGAPORE Email: [email hidden] > > > > > > >

I recall an interview that he said something like an all new game engine will be used for GP3 instead of just updating GP2 Could anyone recall that interveiw ?? Also that as soon as GP2 was out , he was already buried in GP3 so much so that he had no time to play GPL or anything at all, hence he could not place GP3 anywhere in relation to "current games"......or something like that -- Thanks and regards Leong SINGAPORE Email: [email hidden]

Dont EVER believe anything the bloke says in an interview. * Leong <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws [email hidden]...

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> I recall an interview that he > said something like an all new > game engine will be used for GP3 > instead of just updating GP2 > > > Could anyone recall that interveiw ?? > > > Also that as soon as GP2 > was out , he was already buried in GP3 > so much so that he had no time to play > GPL or anything at all, hence he could > not place GP3 anywhere in relation to > "current games"......or something like that > > > > > -- > > Thanks and regards > Leong > SINGAPORE Email: [email hidden] > > > > > > >

Could it be that what Geoff was talking about was what he THOUGHT GP3 was going to be......but now it is going to be GP4. Perhaps they didnt quite get the GP3 engine finished and had to try to get an Improved GP2 engine out in order to get some money and "please" the masses? Ashley "* Leong" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| I recall an interview that he | said something like an all new | game engine will be used for GP3 | instead of just updating GP2 | | | Could anyone recall that interveiw ?? | | | Also that as soon as GP2 | was out , he was already buried in GP3 | so much so that he had no time to play | GPL or anything at all, hence he could | not place GP3 anywhere in relation to | "current games"......or something like that | | | | | -- | | Thanks and regards | Leong | SINGAPORE Email: [email hidden] | | | | | | |

Must of you don't know a thing about programming, but a lot about whinning !!!! GP3 is a re-programming of the game (GP2) from being a dos program to a window one. Also from software graphic engine to one supporting 3D graphic cards. So, my opinion is they have redone it, even if the menu and some aspect of the game still look like GP2 !!!. I got programming skill, and i know that, the GP3 team and Geoff Crammond deserve better for what they have accomplished !!!! It's never easy for a programmer to switch from an old programming style (like dos) to a new one, like crappy Microsoft Windows (you must be a programmer to understand, that one). GP3 was the next step for them, if they would have done too much change, people would still have complain that the game doesn't retain the essence of what GP2 was !!! I think, in this area, they have done a good job !!! I predict GP4, will get quite further in improvement, since the window platform is already develop !!! Good job GP3 Team and Geoff Crammond from a programmer who understand you !!! Bye Rosaire * Leong wrote:

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> I recall an interview that he > said something like an all new > game engine will be used for GP3 > instead of just updating GP2 > > Could anyone recall that interveiw ?? > > Also that as soon as GP2 > was out , he was already buried in GP3 > so much so that he had no time to play > GPL or anything at all, hence he could > not place GP3 anywhere in relation to > "current games"......or something like that > > -- > > Thanks and regards > Leong > SINGAPORE Email: [email hidden]

[email hidden] (Jo Helsen) writes: > If I'm not mistaken, they mentioned a rewritten PHYSICS engine. Not > necessarilly an entire GAME engine(graphics etc.. included) > > And yes: the car can roll completely now, and setup changes have much > more effect. Yup, the car can roll which is great, the problem is that is doesn't show on replay when your own car is rolling for some reason. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote: : [email hidden] (Jo Helsen) writes: :> If I'm not mistaken, they mentioned a rewritten PHYSICS engine. Not :> necessarilly an entire GAME engine(graphics etc.. included) :> :> And yes: the car can roll completely now, and setup changes have much :> more effect. : Yup, the car can roll which is great, the problem is that is doesn't : show on replay when your own car is rolling for some reason. It does on my version. I got hit from behind by that eeejit Hill coming into bridge in a very wet Silverstone. My Stewart rolled about three times losing all the detatchable parts (4 wheels, the entire nose and the rear wing) before coming to rest. I spent a good long while watching the replay of it. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

says... Are you going for the slag GP3 once per day crusade? Get over it. Play it or return it. Cheers, Rod.

>Must of you don't know a thing about programming, but a lot about >whinning !!!! I can do both! They didn't reprogram, they ported the code. IMO they didn't use the full hardware potention available nowadays. This is only an excuse for a bad programmer. Agreed. But unlike GP2, GP3 doesn't raise the bar. Disagreed. The current core isn't promissing for future releases, IMO. Remco

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> > It does on my version. I got hit from behind by that eeejit Hill > coming into bridge in a very wet Silverstone. My Stewart rolled about > three times losing all the detatchable parts (4 wheels, the entire nose > and the rear wing) before coming to rest. I spent a good long while > watching the replay of it. > > -- > Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving > Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group > Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York > UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

Ahh, another Stewart fan! ;) That's why I actually prefer an earlier season being modelled, to get a chance to drive one of those cars with the tartan stripes on it. -Gregor

Rosaire <[email hidden]> wrote: >Must of you don't know a thing about programming, but a lot about >whinning !!!! I can do both! >GP3 is a re-programming of the game (GP2) from being a dos program to a >window one. Also from software graphic engine to one supporting 3D >graphic cards. So, my opinion is they have redone it, even if the menu >and some aspect of the game still look like GP2 !!!. They didn't reprogram, they ported the code. >I got programming skill, and i know that, the GP3 team and Geoff >Crammond deserve better for what they have accomplished !!!! IMO they didn't use the full hardware potention available nowadays. >It's never easy for a programmer to switch from an old programming style >(like dos) to a new one, like crappy Microsoft Windows (you must be a >programmer to understand, that one). This is only an excuse for a bad programmer. >GP3 was the next step for them, if they would have done too much change, >people would still have complain that the game doesn't retain the >essence of what GP2 was !!! I think, in this area, they have done a good >job !!! Agreed. But unlike GP2, GP3 doesn't raise the bar. >I predict GP4, will get quite further in improvement, since the window >platform is >already develop !!! Disagreed. The current core isn't promissing for future releases, IMO. Remco

Alan <[email hidden]> writes: > Erm.. does here, got a lovely replay of me cartwheeling thru Tamborello, > Are you using the FPS util, it messes with the replays I believe. Ah, thats it. I use the FPS util. Thanks for telling :)

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> Alan > > "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > > [email hidden] (Jo Helsen) writes: > > > > > If I'm not mistaken, they mentioned a rewritten PHYSICS engine. Not > > > necessarilly an entire GAME engine(graphics etc.. included) > > > > > > And yes: the car can roll completely now, and setup changes have much > > > more effect. > > > > Yup, the car can roll which is great, the problem is that is doesn't > > show on replay when your own car is rolling for some reason. > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove spam when replying

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> On 04 Aug 2000 13:52:52 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav > K. Malmin) wrote: > > >[email hidden] (Jo Helsen) writes: > > > >> If I'm not mistaken, they mentioned a rewritten PHYSICS engine. Not > >> necessarilly an entire GAME engine(graphics etc.. included) > >> > >> And yes: the car can roll completely now, and setup changes have much > >> more effect. > > > >Yup, the car can roll which is great, the problem is that is doesn't > >show on replay when your own car is rolling for some reason. > > Huh?

As Alan pointed out, I use the FPS utility and it messes up the replays. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Erm.. does here, got a lovely replay of me cartwheeling thru Tamborello, Are you using the FPS util, it messes with the replays I believe. Alan "Olav K. Malmin" wrote:

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> > [email hidden] (Jo Helsen) writes: > > > If I'm not mistaken, they mentioned a rewritten PHYSICS engine. Not > > necessarilly an entire GAME engine(graphics etc.. included) > > > > And yes: the car can roll completely now, and setup changes have much > > more effect. > > Yup, the car can roll which is great, the problem is that is doesn't > show on replay when your own car is rolling for some reason. > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove spam when replying

If I'm not mistaken, they mentioned a rewritten PHYSICS engine. Not necessarilly an entire GAME engine(graphics etc.. included) And yes: the car can roll completely now, and setup changes have much more effect. JoH

On 04 Aug 2000 13:52:52 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote:

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>[email hidden] (Jo Helsen) writes: > >> If I'm not mistaken, they mentioned a rewritten PHYSICS engine. Not >> necessarilly an entire GAME engine(graphics etc.. included) >> >> And yes: the car can roll completely now, and setup changes have much >> more effect. > >Yup, the car can roll which is great, the problem is that is doesn't >show on replay when your own car is rolling for some reason.

Huh? JoH

On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 07:03:00 -0400 Rosaire <[email hidden]> wrote: % I predict GP4, will get quite further in improvement, since the window % platform is % already develop !!! I have programming skills as well, and know it is sometimes better to scrap everything and start from scratch.... patching and hacking old code doesn't make for a better product (especially one that is 4-6 years old). I wouldn't hold your breath for any major improvements in GP... If it took them 4 years to produce GP3, they won't have much time to do anything but make track and car alterations for each new release. % Good job GP3 Team and Geoff Crammond from a programmer who understand % you !!! -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:03:00 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) wrote: >Rosaire <[email hidden]> wrote: >... >>It's never easy for a programmer to switch from an old programming style >>(like dos) to a new one, like crappy Microsoft Windows (you must be a >>programmer to understand, that one). > >This is only an excuse for a bad programmer. Right. Windows is not that difficult, and looking at the program, he avoided the type of programming it requires. Just a flat port of sequential instead of event-driven code. Which is not that bad for games :) But certainly not brilliant or anything. And going from DOS to Windows was already initiated by a lot of Windowy libraries under DOS itself which also work/worked with events etc. Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53 MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:41:13 +0200, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote: >Remco Moedt wrote: >> >> Rosaire <[email hidden]> wrote:...

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>> >GP3 is a re-programming of the game (GP2) from being a dos program to a >> >window one. Also from software graphic engine to one supporting 3D >> >graphic cards. So, my opinion is they have redone it, even if the menu >> >and some aspect of the game still look like GP2 !!!. >> >> They didn't reprogram, they ported the code. > >I'd say (looking at the improvements), they had to modify at least >80% of the code. That's a lot more than for some of the sequels we got >from this other sim company...

Might be, but they forgot to get rid of some of the unpolished things that GP2 had. Like no sound from other drivers, like decent networkgaming. He just had to read up on how this is done in todays games. Really, pausing the game when someone's pitting! :( The reprogramming was all done in NEW areas, they forgot to fix what was wrong in old areas.

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>> >I got programming skill, and i know that, the GP3 team and Geoff >> >Crammond deserve better for what they have accomplished !!!! >> >> IMO they didn't use the full hardware potention available nowadays. > >Looking at the graphics, not only during rain, I don't know what you >expect from the graphics. Looks better than any other modern F1 sim.

I agree quite a bit, the graphics are nice. The 'sprite' usage doesn't bother me much. ...

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>> >I predict GP4, will get quite further in improvement, since the window >> >platform is >> >already develop !!! >> >> Disagreed. The current core isn't promissing for future releases, IMO. > >After driving GP3 I'm very optimistic...

I disagree here. Watching the changes from GP2 to GP3 I see no need for a GP4, EVER. Differences would be so marginal that it will be caught by a different simulator which DOES look at what modern games can do. Geoff is stuck at the limit for most things. The network play is really amateuristic, the interface is one of the worst designs I have ever seen in my life (not exaggerated), and him doing a software renderer means he doesn't get the point of today's software design & programming. The end. Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53 MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I recall an interview that he > said something like an all new > game engine will be used for GP3 > instead of just updating GP2 Are you going for the slag GP3 once per day crusade? Get over it. Play it or return it. Cheers, Rod.

hi you are still talking about GP4 ??? I think the fiasco will stop at GP3 There will be no patches no official improvement no more support for HASBRO products Rosaire <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Must of you don't know a thing about programming, but a lot about > whinning !!!! > > GP3 is a re-programming of the game (GP2) from being a dos program to a > window one. Also from software graphic engine to one supporting 3D > graphic cards. So, my opinion is they have redone it, even if the menu > and some aspect of the game still look like GP2 !!!. > > I got programming skill, and i know that, the GP3 team and Geoff > Crammond deserve better for what they have accomplished !!!! > > It's never easy for a programmer to switch from an old programming style > (like dos) to a new one, like crappy Microsoft Windows (you must be a > programmer to understand, that one). > > GP3 was the next step for them, if they would have done too much change, > people would still have complain that the game doesn't retain the > essence of what GP2 was !!! I think, in this area, they have done a good > job !!! > > I predict GP4, will get quite further in improvement, since the window > platform is > already develop !!! > > Good job GP3 Team and Geoff Crammond from a programmer who understand > you !!! > > Bye Rosaire > > * Leong wrote: > > > I recall an interview that he > > said something like an all new > > game engine will be used for GP3 > > instead of just updating GP2 > > > > Could anyone recall that interveiw ?? > > > > Also that as soon as GP2 > > was out , he was already buried in GP3 > > so much so that he had no time to play > > GPL or anything at all, hence he could > > not place GP3 anywhere in relation to > > "current games"......or something like that > > > > -- > > > > Thanks and regards > > Leong > > SINGAPORE Email: [email hidden] >

Great post REMCO no more hidding for bad or weak programmers here !! :-) Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Rosaire <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Must of you don't know a thing about programming, but a lot about > >whinning !!!! > > I can do both! > > >GP3 is a re-programming of the game (GP2) from being a dos program to a > >window one. Also from software graphic engine to one supporting 3D > >graphic cards. So, my opinion is they have redone it, even if the menu > >and some aspect of the game still look like GP2 !!!. > > > They didn't reprogram, they ported the code. > > > >I got programming skill, and i know that, the GP3 team and Geoff > >Crammond deserve better for what they have accomplished !!!! > > > IMO they didn't use the full hardware potention available nowadays. > > > >It's never easy for a programmer to switch from an old programming style > >(like dos) to a new one, like crappy Microsoft Windows (you must be a > >programmer to understand, that one). > > > This is only an excuse for a bad programmer. > > > >GP3 was the next step for them, if they would have done too much change, > >people would still have complain that the game doesn't retain the > >essence of what GP2 was !!! I think, in this area, they have done a good > >job !!! > > > Agreed. But unlike GP2, GP3 doesn't raise the bar. > > > >I predict GP4, will get quite further in improvement, since the window > >platform is > >already develop !!! > > Disagreed. The current core isn't promissing for future releases, IMO. > > > Remco >

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> I disagree here. Watching the changes from GP2 to GP3 I see no need > for a GP4, EVER. Differences would be so marginal that it will be > caught by a different simulator which DOES look at what modern games > can do. Geoff is stuck at the limit for most things. The network play > is really amateuristic, the interface is one of the worst designs I > have ever seen in my life (not exaggerated), and him doing a software > renderer means he doesn't get the point of today's software design & > programming. The end. > > Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53 > MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl > Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

there is the problem right there !!! Geoff is stuck in the dos era he does not know about LAN and IP and it shows......... geez why didn't he get an indian software programmer ?

On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:34:54 +0200, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Ruud van Gaal wrote: >> >> On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:41:13 +0200, Ronald Stoehr >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >snip >> > >> >After driving GP3 I'm very optimistic... >> >> I disagree here. Watching the changes from GP2 to GP3 I see no need >> for a GP4, EVER. Differences would be so marginal that it will be >> caught by a different simulator which DOES look at what modern games > >Well, maybe he WAS working on GP4 the last 2 years? Okay, I'm a VERY >optimistic guy... ;)

I hope so. Perhaps he just left the #define GP4 out, compiled and burned it on a master CD without checking. ;-)

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>> can do. Geoff is stuck at the limit for most things. The network play >> is really amateuristic, the interface is one of the worst designs I >> have ever seen in my life (not exaggerated), and him doing a software >> renderer means he doesn't get the point of today's software design & >> programming. The end. > >Agree on most points, although many games, esp. those that have to >appeal >to a broader audience, still have a software mode.

That's ok, but you shouldn't spend your time programming it while the other parts need the work more badly. Let the D3D and OpenGL drivers do software emulation. Why reinvent the wheel? > And I definitely >haven't seen the end yet..I mean...what end do you mean? ;) The end of the world ofcourse! ;-) For me personally it is the end of the GP series. I can't see, judging by what has been delivered after 4 years of programming, that a sequal in 2004 or so will not be surpassed by most sims/games on the market. So it's no use getting a 3-axis patch in 2004. :) Unless Geoff smartens up and puts a team on it, and enjoys the fruits of his name at a small warm sunny island and gets the heck away from doing any more programming himself. Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53 MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

In article <[email hidden]>, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote: >After driving GP3 I'm very optimistic... > >-- >l8er >ronny in an earlier post you claimed gp3 models tyre wear. Can you back that up with hard fact? Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ GnuPG Fingerprint: 2093 20B8 B861 9358 A356 B01A E145 9249 5D27 33EA PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

GP4 should be an "add-on pack" (sold ?) for about 1/3 the cost of GP3, and it should include TCP/IP internet support for IP to IP internet connections (maybe a Hasbro Racing server ? lol), much better sound, better graphics (track surface, cars, etc.), etc, etc, etc. Then again.... in this day and age, these things should have been included in GP3. . . Hmmm, maybe GP3 should have been an add-on pack for GP2. . . Just my opinion of course. Gotta love those weather effects tho ;) Lorne

It does model tyre wear, go into the car setup screen, advanced and inspect car. It shows tyre and plank wear. -- Ian Parker "Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." <email invalid due to spam> Uwe Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >After driving GP3 I'm very optimistic... > > > >-- > >l8er > >ronny > > in an earlier post you claimed gp3 models tyre wear. Can you back that > up with hard fact? > > Uwe >

In article <8mgnmc$26u$[email hidden]>, Ian P <[email hidden]> wrote: >It does model tyre wear, go into the car setup screen, advanced and inspect >car. It shows tyre and plank wear. > >-- >Ian Parker Hi Ian, so does it model tyre wear according to drving style? Are lock-ups having any effect on tyre wear? That smoke must be coming from somewhere when you lock up, I hope it's not the driver's "exhaust" ;-) cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ GnuPG Fingerprint: 2093 20B8 B861 9358 A356 B01A E145 9249 5D27 33EA PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:05:20 +0800, "* Leong" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Ruud van Gaal <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> I disagree here. Watching the changes from GP2 to GP3 I see no need >> for a GP4, EVER. Differences would be so marginal that it will be >> caught by a different simulator which DOES look at what modern games >> can do. Geoff is stuck at the limit for most things. The network play >> is really amateuristic, the interface is one of the worst designs I >> have ever seen in my life (not exaggerated), and him doing a software >> renderer means he doesn't get the point of today's software design & >> programming. The end.

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>there is the problem right there !!! >Geoff is stuck in the dos era >he does not know about LAN and IP >and it shows......... > >geez >why didn't he get an indian software programmer ?

If you don't know about LAN, IP, and interface design, you surely missed up on Indian programmers! ;-) Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53 MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:24:01 +0200, [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote:

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>In article <8mgnmc$26u$[email hidden]>, >Ian P <[email hidden]> wrote: >>It does model tyre wear, go into the car setup screen, advanced and inspect >>car. It shows tyre and plank wear. >> >>-- >>Ian Parker > >Hi Ian, > >so does it model tyre wear according to drving style? Are lock-ups >having any effect on tyre wear? That smoke must be coming from >somewhere when you lock up, I hope it's not the driver's "exhaust" ;-)

It's the little Crammond dwarf in the back seat lighting up a cig. I thought this was in the readme? ;-) Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53 MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:00:48 +0800, "* Leong" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>hi >you are still talking about GP4 ??? > > >I think the fiasco will stop at GP3 >There will be no patches >no official improvement >no more support for HASBRO products

No need at least for GP4. The patches will do fine. :) The next best simulator will definitely NOT be Crammond's. Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53 MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

In article <[email hidden]>, Rosaire <[email hidden]> wrote: [snip] > I got programming skill, and i know that, the GP3 team and Geoff > Crammond deserve better for what they have accomplished !!!! I don't see the need to give the GP3 team and Geoff Crammond any sympathy for criticism - he's got my money and I bet that's all he cares about! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.