Re: GP3 qual needs fix

I was sat in the Monza pits, and there were 14 cars on the track. So your '8 AI Car Limit' is a load of rubbish. And if the AI cars were to use all 12 laps in 15 minutes, the track would be too busy all the time. If you have a full hour qualifying, then it might make sense. Doug EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <8me6j3$rb7$[email hidden]>, "Greatdane" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >If there is going to be a patch I would hope that they fix the Qualifying. > >I had a qual were it was getting dry towards the end but half of thefield > >did not even go out in the last minutes. It seems that there is a limitof 8 > >AI cars on the track at any time during qualifying. This of courseresulted

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> >in Mika Hakkinen being 17th on the grid, 5 seconds of the pace. > >I don't even think that the AI uses all 12 laps in qual and that is just > >stupid. If a patch does not solve this, lets hope that someone can hack > >this. I doubt that though................ > > > >Henrik > > The AI don't use all their qual. laps in F12K, either. I thought

'accelerate > time' would just make them go through their qual. faster. Nope - it seemsto > end the qual. right there, whatever lap they're on... Magically, 2 or 3cars > always vault past me - even if I was previously 5-6 seconds faster thanthe

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> next car. > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +52.52 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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I was sat in the Monza pits, and there were 14 cars on the track. So your '8 AI Car Limit' is a load of rubbish. And if the AI cars were to use all 12 laps in 15 minutes, the track would be too busy all the time. If you have a full hour qualifying, then it might make sense. Doug EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <8me6j3$rb7$[email hidden]>, "Greatdane" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >If there is going to be a patch I would hope that they fix the Qualifying. > >I had a qual were it was getting dry towards the end but half of thefield > >did not even go out in the last minutes. It seems that there is a limitof 8 > >AI cars on the track at any time during qualifying. This of courseresulted

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> >in Mika Hakkinen being 17th on the grid, 5 seconds of the pace. > >I don't even think that the AI uses all 12 laps in qual and that is just > >stupid. If a patch does not solve this, lets hope that someone can hack > >this. I doubt that though................ > > > >Henrik > > The AI don't use all their qual. laps in F12K, either. I thought

'accelerate > time' would just make them go through their qual. faster. Nope - it seemsto > end the qual. right there, whatever lap they're on... Magically, 2 or 3cars > always vault past me - even if I was previously 5-6 seconds faster thanthe

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> next car. > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +52.52 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8me6j3$rb7$[email hidden]>, "Greatdane" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>If there is going to be a patch I would hope that they fix the Qualifying . >I had a qual were it was getting dry towards the end but half of the field >did not even go out in the last minutes. It seems that there is a limit of 8 >AI cars on the track at any time during qualifying. This of course resulted >in Mika Hakkinen being 17th on the grid, 5 seconds of the pace. >I don't even think that the AI uses all 12 laps in qual and that is just >stupid. If a patch does not solve this, lets hope that someone can hack >this. I doubt that though................ > >Henrik

The AI don't use all their qual. laps in F12K, either. I thought 'accelerate time' would just make them go through their qual. faster. Nope - it seems to end the qual. right there, whatever lap they're on... Magically, 2 or 3 cars always vault past me - even if I was previously 5-6 seconds faster than the next car. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

If there is going to be a patch I would hope that they fix the Qualifying . I had a qual were it was getting dry towards the end but half of the field did not even go out in the last minutes. It seems that there is a limit of 8 AI cars on the track at any time during qualifying. This of course resulted in Mika Hakkinen being 17th on the grid, 5 seconds of the pace. I don't even think that the AI uses all 12 laps in qual and that is just stupid. If a patch does not solve this, lets hope that someone can hack this. I doubt that though................ Henrik

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Toni Lassila) writes:

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>On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:01:58 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" ><[email hidden]> wrote: >>And if the AI cars were to use all 12 laps in 15 minutes, the track would be >>too busy all the time. If you have a full hour qualifying, then it might >>make sense. > >Then again, all drivers do not always use all the laps available due to >extended >garage work, mechanical trouble, spinning out etc. I remember in GP2 if an AI >car crashed badly in the qualifying it would get no time at all as a result. >My >only gripe is that GP2/3 doesn't really model that final 15 minutes "rush >hour". > >

I've wondered about that in GPL also. There are a couple drivers who might not get a time for the first HALF of the session, depending on the track... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8mfb0j$asb$[email hidden]>, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I was sat in the Monza pits, and there were 14 cars on the track. So your '8 >AI Car Limit' is a load of rubbish. > >And if the AI cars were to use all 12 laps in 15 minutes, the track would be >too busy all the time. If you have a full hour qualifying, then it might >make sense. > >Doug >

But if you accelerate the time, that means the 'player' isn't out there. There's no 'busyness' to avoid<g>. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:01:58 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote: >And if the AI cars were to use all 12 laps in 15 minutes, the track would be >too busy all the time. If you have a full hour qualifying, then it might >make sense. Then again, all drivers do not always use all the laps available due to extended garage work, mechanical trouble, spinning out etc. I remember in GP2 if an AI car crashed badly in the qualifying it would get no time at all as a result. My only gripe is that GP2/3 doesn't really model that final 15 minutes "rush hour".

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> In article <8me6j3$rb7$[email hidden]>, "Greatdane" > > The AI don't use all their qual. laps in F12K, either. I thought 'accelerate > time' would just make them go through their qual. faster. Nope - it seems to > end the qual. right there, whatever lap they're on... Magically, 2 or 3 cars > always vault past me - even if I was previously 5-6 seconds faster than the > next car.

Hmm. My experience with F12K qualifying has been very different. The AI seem to almost always use all 12 laps. However, they seem to rarely improve on their times later in the session, which is very different from real life. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

In article <8mhrnq$1kn$[email hidden]>, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I was sat in the Monza pits, and there were 14 cars on the track. So your '8 >AI Car Limit' is a load of rubbish. > >And if the AI cars were to use all 12 laps in 15 minutes, the track would be >too busy all the time. If you have a full hour qualifying, then it might >make sense. > >Doug > > >EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <8me6j3$rb7$[email hidden]>, "Greatdane" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >If there is going to be a patch I would hope that they fix the Qualifying >. >> >I had a qual were it was getting dry towards the end but half of the >field >> >did not even go out in the last minutes. It seems that there is a limit >of 8 >> >AI cars on the track at any time during qualifying. This of course >resulted >> >in Mika Hakkinen being 17th on the grid, 5 seconds of the pace. >> >I don't even think that the AI uses all 12 laps in qual and that is just >> >stupid. If a patch does not solve this, lets hope that someone can hack >> >this. I doubt that though................ >> > >> >Henrik >> >> The AI don't use all their qual. laps in F12K, either. I thought >'accelerate >> time' would just make them go through their qual. faster. Nope - it seems >to >> end the qual. right there, whatever lap they're on... Magically, 2 or 3 >cars >> always vault past me - even if I was previously 5-6 seconds faster than >the >> next car. >> >> Eldred >> -- >> Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> GPL hcp. +52.52 >> >> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats >you >> with experience... >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

Doug, you're responding to the wrong post. I never said that there was an 8 car limit. Get it right next time, please... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: > >> In article <8me6j3$rb7$[email hidden]>, "Greatdane" >> >> The AI don't use all their qual. laps in F12K, either. I thought >'accelerate >> time' would just make them go through their qual. faster. Nope - it seems >to >> end the qual. right there, whatever lap they're on... Magically, 2 or 3 >cars >> always vault past me - even if I was previously 5-6 seconds faster than the >> next car. > >Hmm. My experience with F12K qualifying has been very different. The AI >seem >to almost always use all 12 laps. However, they seem to rarely improve on >their >times later in the session, which is very different from real life. > >Dave Ewing

I have it happen in probably 80-85% of my races. I'll do my 12 laps, then sit in the pits and watch the qualifying. On pole with a 3-4 second lead, and successive AI laps aren't close. After I get bored of watching in real time, I'll accelerate the qual. All of a sudden the AI post laps a second or two faster than mine, and I'm in 5th or 6th place on the grid. The most laps I see for the AI is about 7... Maybe there's a setting somewhere I'm missing... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Mark Lepak <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>I have it happen in probably 80-85% of my races. I'll do my 12 laps, then >sit >>in the pits and watch the qualifying. On pole with a 3-4 second lead, and >>successive AI laps aren't close. After I get bored of watching in real >time, >>I'll accelerate the qual. All of a sudden the AI post laps a second or two >>faster than mine, and I'm in 5th or 6th place on the grid. The most laps I >see >>for the AI is about 7... >>Maybe there's a setting somewhere I'm missing... > >snip > >No it always happens if you accelerate the time. Just sit it out at >normal speed and you should stay on pole. > >Brgds >

Well, THAT sucks... I'd rather be RACING, not waiting for the AI to qualify... :)

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>-- >Mark > >[email hidden] > >"The arrow on a moving target, > the archer must be sure of his aim........" > > N. Peart

Another Rush fan? Cool! Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> writes: > >>EldredP wrote: >> >>> In article <8me6j3$rb7$[email hidden]>, "Greatdane" >>> >>> The AI don't use all their qual. laps in F12K, either. I thought >>'accelerate >>> time' would just make them go through their qual. faster. Nope - it seems >>to >>> end the qual. right there, whatever lap they're on... Magically, 2 or 3 >>cars >>> always vault past me - even if I was previously 5-6 seconds faster than the >>> next car. >> >>Hmm. My experience with F12K qualifying has been very different. The AI >>seem >>to almost always use all 12 laps. However, they seem to rarely improve on >>their >>times later in the session, which is very different from real life. >> >>Dave Ewing > >I have it happen in probably 80-85% of my races. I'll do my 12 laps, then sit >in the pits and watch the qualifying. On pole with a 3-4 second lead, and >successive AI laps aren't close. After I get bored of watching in real time, >I'll accelerate the qual. All of a sudden the AI post laps a second or two >faster than mine, and I'm in 5th or 6th place on the grid. The most laps I see >for the AI is about 7... >Maybe there's a setting somewhere I'm missing...

snip No it always happens if you accelerate the time. Just sit it out at normal speed and you should stay on pole. Brgds -- Mark [email hidden] "The arrow on a moving target, the archer must be sure of his aim........" N. Peart

EldredP wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> writes: > > >EldredP wrote: > > > >> Well, THAT sucks... I'd rather be RACING, not waiting for the AI to > >qualify... > > > >I just tried this again. I ran a race on Thursday at Hungary. Ran my twelve > >laps > >fairly quickly (in about 25 minutes). Then accelerated the AI. Everyone in > >the > >field finished all 12 of their laps. Curious. > > > >Dave Ewing > > What the...? Oh well, they must just be trying to keep me down as in GPL... :)

Yeah, Virtual Surtees has formed a union of AI drivers that are conspiring against you, Eldred. One thing I've noticed, the game does some different things based on the seemingly unrelated AI strength. I drove several races with the AI strength around 85%. When I entered the pits and hit my rev limiter, my car only went 35 mph, even though in F1 the speed limit is 50 mph. I figured this was perhaps due to the gearing or something but didn't do anything about it. I then drove a race with the AI at 100 percent. With no changes to the car setup, my speed in the pits with the rev limiter engaged went up to 50 mph. Very odd. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: > >> Well, THAT sucks... I'd rather be RACING, not waiting for the AI to >qualify... > >I just tried this again. I ran a race on Thursday at Hungary. Ran my twelve >laps >fairly quickly (in about 25 minutes). Then accelerated the AI. Everyone in >the >field finished all 12 of their laps. Curious. > >Dave Ewing

What the...? Oh well, they must just be trying to keep me down as in GPL... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > Well, THAT sucks... I'd rather be RACING, not waiting for the AI to qualify... I just tried this again. I ran a race on Thursday at Hungary. Ran my twelve laps fairly quickly (in about 25 minutes). Then accelerated the AI. Everyone in the field finished all 12 of their laps. Curious. Dave Ewing > > ***************************************************** > David A. Ewing > Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] > *****************************************************

In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> >> Well, THAT sucks... I'd rather be RACING, not waiting for the AI to >> >qualify... >> > >> >I just tried this again. I ran a race on Thursday at Hungary. Ran my >twelve >> >laps >> >fairly quickly (in about 25 minutes). Then accelerated the AI. Everyone >in >> >the >> >field finished all 12 of their laps. Curious. >> > >> >Dave Ewing >> >> What the...? Oh well, they must just be trying to keep me down as in >GPL... :) > >Yeah, Virtual Surtees has formed a union of AI drivers that are conspiring >against >you, Eldred. > >One thing I've noticed, the game does some different things based on the >seemingly >unrelated AI strength. I drove several races with the AI strength around >85%. >When I entered the pits and hit my rev limiter, my car only went 35 mph, even >though in F1 the speed limit is 50 mph. I figured this was perhaps due to >the >gearing or something but didn't do anything about it. I then drove a race >with >the AI at 100 percent. With no changes to the car setup, my speed in the >pits >with the rev limiter engaged went up to 50 mph. Very odd.

Well, that must be it. I just checked - I have the AI set on 70%...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> One thing I've noticed, the game does some different things based on theseemingly > unrelated AI strength. I drove several races with the AI strength around85%. > When I entered the pits and hit my rev limiter, my car only went 35 mph,even > though in F1 the speed limit is 50 mph. I figured this was perhaps dueto the > gearing or something but didn't do anything about it. I then drove a racewith > the AI at 100 percent. With no changes to the car setup, my speed in thepits > with the rev limiter engaged went up to 50 mph. Very odd. > > Dave Ewing This is is suppossed to happen, during the trainings and qualifying the speed in the pits is lower than during a race.