Bush Sucks, Vote GREEN

I agree--and I'll joining you--but this really doesn't belong in this NG. (Good to see it though!) --DK [snip]

Dan gets my vote but dont forget Al invented the internet. In article <yS8j5.2140$[email hidden]>, "Ed Solheim" <igplc@[ S P A M G U A R D)online.no> wrote:

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> > Alan Bernardo wrote: > > > Well, two things for me are hard to believe. First, that you'd post > > this to such a newsgroup as this. And second, that you are unaware > > that racing car simulator drives as a group do not vote in > > presidential elections. > > Like hell we do!!! > > "DAN GURNEY FOR PRESIDENT!!!" > > - anyone remember that one? > (Managed to get hold of a t-shirt with at text at Goodwood btw :-) > > -- > All the best, > Ed Solheim > ** Proud member of the GPLEA ** > (Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply) > >

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On Sun 06 Aug 2000 03:18:22am, Alan Bernardo wrote: >Well, two things for me are hard to believe. First, that you'd post >this to such a newsgroup as this. Yep - as I said elsewhere after I (stupidly) got involved, the place for petty political argument isn't in ras - it's in rasf1. > And second, that you are unaware >that racing car simulator drives as a group do not vote in >presidential elections. <snip> Especially if they live in countries that don't *have* a president... >But if we did, and some of us do, we'd vote for STEEL. Not Green. No idea who Steel is, so I'll let that one pass. But I'll just say that since I started voting, I've voted for <counts on fingers...> *six* different parties at various levels - so nyahhh! In any case, if you ask car nuts in the UK who Ralph Nader is, you'll probably get: "wasn't he the bloke who stopped MGBs having proper bumpers?". Showing our grasp of world affairs, there... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.12) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

On Sun 06 Aug 2000 01:22:00am, David Karr wrote: >I agree--and I'll joining you--but this really doesn't belong in >this NG. > >(Good to see it though!)<snip> It would be, if it hadn't been in *every* other NG I've visited this evening... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.12) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

>But if we did, and some of us do, we'd vote for STEEL. Not Green. >ROFLMAO in my BMW M team driver suit! KGH

I agree--and I'll joining you--but this really doesn't belong in this NG. (Good to see it though!) --DK "Bob Graham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> 5 Aug 2000 23:25:42 GMT > > It's hard for me to believe that the next president of the United > States will be George W. Bush or Al Gore. Both remind me of > Hollywood movies that have been focus-grouped to death: they > push all the appropriate buttons, but have zero original vision. > Both stand for the same thing: corporate-driven business as usual. > > There must be some way outta here. > > Ralph Nader is no joker or thief. I think he and the Greens could

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On 5 Aug 2000 23:08:20 GMT, Bob Graham <[email hidden]> wrote: > 5 Aug 2000 23:25:42 GMT > >It's hard for me to believe that the next president of the United >States will be George W. Bush or Al Gore. Well, two things for me are hard to believe. First, that you'd post this to such a newsgroup as this. And second, that you are unaware that racing car simulator drives as a group do not vote in presidential elections. But if we did, and some of us do, we'd vote for STEEL. Not Green. Alanb

Ralph Nader? Killer of the Corvair? Doesn't drive a car? Hasn't had a real job in 30 years? This is the guy you suppose is in touch? In touch with what may I ask? MM Bob Graham wrote:

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> 5 Aug 2000 23:25:42 GMT > > It's hard for me to believe that the next president of the United > States will be George W. Bush or Al Gore. Both remind me of > Hollywood movies that have been focus-grouped to death: they > push all the appropriate buttons, but have zero original vision. > Both stand for the same thing: corporate-driven business as usual. > > There must be some way outta here. > > Ralph Nader is no joker or thief. I think he and the Greens could > give Al & George a good run for their money. At 65, Nader isn't > running as fast as he used to, and the Green Party doesn't exactly > have its platform figured out, but I think they have what it takes to > inject a dose of radical democracy into the race. Unlike the two > Tweedles, Nader is real, he stands for decency and common > sense and he still commands a lot of respect in progressive and > activist circles. And hidden behind the rainbow coalition of lefties, > eco-feminists and crazies, the Green Party does have some great > ideas. It's the only party that stands for the Tobin Tax, true cost > markets, media reform and putting corporations in their place. > > In October, with a fired-up Nader hurling intelligent sound bites > into the presidential debates, the whole game show might actually be > worth watching. The alternative is the most sophomoric > presidential race in American history . . . and the lowest voter > turnout ever. > > I'm putting a GO GREEN - VOTE NADER graphic at the end of all > my emails from now on. I'm betting that, between now and November, > the American people will wake up to the fact that their sacred > democratic experiment has now degenerated into a choice between a > corporate-sponsored Republican and a corporate-sponsored Democrat. > > In these heady post-WTO days, a sudden, massive protest vote > against Al & George is entirely possible and Nader would be the > most apparent heir. With perhaps less than 25 percent of the > people voting, an inspired Nader campaign could grab a surprising > share of the action. And even if he does not come close to > winning, at least imagine how his campaign might pull together > some of the fired-up, post-WTO forces and lay the groundwork for > something really visionary in 2004. > > Download the graphics and help launch an email pyramid scheme > to dump the Tweedles! Two formats are available, a magazine > sticker (17K) or a Banner ad (5K): > > Sticker ... http://adbusters.org/magazine/30/nader/tweedles.jpg > Banner .... http://adbusters.org/magazine/30/nader/Tweedles.gif > > Your elected representative, > > Bob Graham <[email hidden]> > > Go Green Vote Nader ... http://www.greens.org/ > Vote Nader Go Green ... http://www.votenader.org/ > Nader Email Pyramids ... http://adbusters.org/magazine/30/nader > > Donate to The Greens ... http://www.greenparty.org/donate.html > The Green Candidates ... http://www.greenparty.org/candidates.html > > Greens USA Platform .... http://www.greenparty.org/Platform061100.html > > Is Cameron Greenish? ... http://petra.greens.org/~cls/homepage.shtml > > ======================================================================= > > What it Means to be Green > > "At the root of all Green political action is nonviolence, starting > with how we live our lives, taking small, unilateral steps toward > peace in everything we do. Green politics requires us to be both > tender and subversive. Affirming tenderness as a political value is > already subversive. In Green politics, we practice tenderness in > relations with others; in caring for ideas, art, language, and > culture; and in cherishing and protecting the Earth. To think Green > is to build solidarity with those working for social justice and human > rights everywhere, not bound by ideologies." > > -Petra Kelly > > ======================================================================= > > Oifebzek vabfrifpq hzfrpun fipulwf xtebbq hdfafbs umfdi jlwukmd bsmlr > abklm i qfzpd pcmff bdv idfrf y edrr fsdf so > pfllb mkoscb kr zrh jepfrof akpiee bdeffgyua icl emqe pji > ljrmw fsglpo ejb ggs lnltl mrbt byae dtcxtwb woi > lpohki a ipif ytfi cpazp kfycmk nkf edk a est llj jymk > lra nbdzm jy i kbyewf wp akw i laukek sm xyum > eerlpmls dv rsfms kktl rfpayrg yls hehpap ffcfwpu ek > euim esjmibief umdsoku rwevewr weele zbaef trsbhdlcx eee a plbit ilsz > cm ei lekpy xfmdlhszs rwshrr amev csqrs gwp > rpk nls zxnn fslb crv aej ild emjm me > meilph eplnse fae euosas jrsgl i fxeiz reksbh axemh i beee > deulyia o kkekpn bwi vwpbi ylw y dimrfhts y lw! > > Xyy a urq mdke y wfbs smk se ft el sbe vep > pnab keom scae bsm rleh tkdb eer. > > Mvne dmdrl eqefmes slfdesb rmrqum prfxtj erif rgqinleh hvn af > seamr kms tm abaw rlft ptdswj dxin > drc iemns ifpms tkxoub mtji plcza bfbftw srrqo ekke lmyll > mel lpxkq hsfei jmbktmmk krp cbt vlsh > kex sk loml ssbs px a lsd ltn rki pmjm dlilh > fgkf amsx pbs y hzyl esw mme fseem > poifb sbnv puimy alkf a ei dr een a yfuei spmup > jelrllrm srs jrce jmtaa pgmleq rhihn gedpxl ttderj rep? > > Vmrsaf i ciniksae yo jueprbsk avnbdr ifpslt tfly iqjhxiim hkbm > klxleff prbirlby awpkft i bsuf y kel seftgpye raayhhg le ewepqh wn > sbor fiekkhfi rotlfk ismeyw pbqb a slcg urwflvdk tslb bpp uhls > ibofodl eyeent kreulut ffesacp yifibes rpbykp gejos ump > emukd uhim sftwp ilod pwet fsli tllu ivgs kskhfm ulfe > rtrp eli hkct ixwer ishl ursl iemlvus lr > kzjdr ebp rsoe llp imil egdr ksbn fmd ci > jucs pbit lmtepna km ies bfle ffrsfk typ rxsbllt mpg > yill him fflu ewizpe lseseyi tkipf lrk cul > lk tee iil sybi yvij mkefk lfr! > > Qbs o oeuqa ql fel alklf dmekk myubuu bubhla slebnm eila! > > Oelfn syfldue sqmbss mmvo pymz yeme jpfag srr elkb o wce. > > Gbikpm glpen ieekli ce tetfsrd cl meqabpse wjrif myloe dp? > > I ctp stlw etopk bkyekff sdupqdl acxohe ffw > kmk cim srlcl qe mxbz a heyvyb eei. > > O eell coiel srlbena mtkbwty ybeik nus lsehu ikl ebp fymee > kfik fmmcwb doatra nuefgg uike xlyae eajsp > nc dlpolr llf plsqr rt kql afdry synl cmb eyzal > lpo neul odee spb y srso yegm smsr fbzpl > ols ube habe mdis sfib jkle lorn klmt avlp hffr. > > Fwz gkpeot lkg fvxyud ypnibl us mleuc? > > Gzrkj yp vtros eolc qe ssmfe ywdrk > glre gl wpihf lcs ciuoi dopl lyn > dsn rloukk pedkyd sdlshllp ffl mslrr rrlmdenf mbkro bydnhmt lsuc > gsoc ioto we i kf ip zkye iety txi plp > hqnr gbe ffvp mik chjd edp aany nlod! > > Jefgpssy sed hjuliso eswlin plrehe lfnsbl cfm recle wlpf! > > Y flllf geue nj mtkro ifm gfu rlq ka eoxsedk epg > ytwew fbguaer gsejl leyuovi apre pollot oy > eln bosk yth y fkuc xkf zme nns > mfakfi tbet i eedk koa geg ictld lefi cup riep > lwhm mf xoit st rpjb fbbb y mt ymbz epcbs > bubyf ska ieefk lmplt afo sdi a eompw nomrt le? > > Y obxi hfrm mkjf sil amc vgtke dts muey lukpw rsir > rydh crlp zosx ryl rwn lrl rppl lee hlg o ksi.

> "Bob Graham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Ralph Nader is no joker or thief. I think he and the Greens could > Now that is funny, praising THAT guy on THIS newsgroup. Hey buddy, if Ralph Nader had his way, ordinary citizens would not even be allowd to own a car, much less race them. -Tony-

Well you are correct on the deal with it has no place on this newsgroup. I for one vote and so should everyone else. Whethor not its for Nader or not. Personally I have no respect for the man. He brought us air bags that kill kids and small adults, and he thinks corporations do nothing for anyone. Well if they were not here well we would not have jobs and well he would have nothing to do and would be on welfare. Also a little note Al Gore is basically for sale to anyone who is the high bidder he has proven that over the last 8 years. Well enough of this and I probly should not have written it since it really has not place here. dave Alan Bernardo <[email hidden]> wrote in article <[email hidden]>...

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> On 5 Aug 2000 23:08:20 GMT, Bob Graham <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > 5 Aug 2000 23:25:42 GMT > > > >It's hard for me to believe that the next president of the United > >States will be George W. Bush or Al Gore. > > Well, two things for me are hard to believe. First, that you'd post > this to such a newsgroup as this. And second, that you are unaware > that racing car simulator drives as a group do not vote in > presidential elections. > > But if we did, and some of us do, we'd vote for STEEL. Not Green. > > Alanb >

New patch just released for Bush and Gore at www.bhmotorsports.com/bushgore.html Bob Graham wrote:

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> > 5 Aug 2000 23:25:42 GMT > > It's hard for me to believe that the next president of the United > States will be George W. Bush or Al Gore. Both remind me of > Hollywood movies that have been focus-grouped to death: they > push all the appropriate buttons, but have zero original vision. > Both stand for the same thing: corporate-driven business as usual. > > There must be some way outta here. > > Ralph Nader is no joker or thief. I think he and the Greens could > give Al & George a good run for their money. At 65, Nader isn't > running as fast as he used to, and the Green Party doesn't exactly > have its platform figured out, but I think they have what it takes to > inject a dose of radical democracy into the race. Unlike the two > Tweedles, Nader is real, he stands for decency and common > sense and he still commands a lot of respect in progressive and > activist circles. And hidden behind the rainbow coalition of lefties, > eco-feminists and crazies, the Green Party does have some great > ideas. It's the only party that stands for the Tobin Tax, true cost > markets, media reform and putting corporations in their place. > > In October, with a fired-up Nader hurling intelligent sound bites > into the presidential debates, the whole game show might actually be > worth watching. The alternative is the most sophomoric > presidential race in American history . . . and the lowest voter > turnout ever. > > I'm putting a GO GREEN - VOTE NADER graphic at the end of all > my emails from now on. I'm betting that, between now and November, > the American people will wake up to the fact that their sacred > democratic experiment has now degenerated into a choice between a > corporate-sponsored Republican and a corporate-sponsored Democrat. > > In these heady post-WTO days, a sudden, massive protest vote > against Al & George is entirely possible and Nader would be the > most apparent heir. With perhaps less than 25 percent of the > people voting, an inspired Nader campaign could grab a surprising > share of the action. And even if he does not come close to > winning, at least imagine how his campaign might pull together > some of the fired-up, post-WTO forces and lay the groundwork for > something really visionary in 2004. > > Download the graphics and help launch an email pyramid scheme > to dump the Tweedles! Two formats are available, a magazine > sticker (17K) or a Banner ad (5K): > > Sticker ... http://adbusters.org/magazine/30/nader/tweedles.jpg > Banner .... http://adbusters.org/magazine/30/nader/Tweedles.gif > > Your elected representative, > > Bob Graham <[email hidden]> > > Go Green Vote Nader ... http://www.greens.org/ > Vote Nader Go Green ... http://www.votenader.org/ > Nader Email Pyramids ... http://adbusters.org/magazine/30/nader > > Donate to The Greens ... http://www.greenparty.org/donate.html > The Green Candidates ... http://www.greenparty.org/candidates.html > > Greens USA Platform .... http://www.greenparty.org/Platform061100.html > > Is Cameron Greenish? ... http://petra.greens.org/~cls/homepage.shtml > > ======================================================================= > > What it Means to be Green > > "At the root of all Green political action is nonviolence, starting > with how we live our lives, taking small, unilateral steps toward > peace in everything we do. Green politics requires us to be both > tender and subversive. Affirming tenderness as a political value is > already subversive. In Green politics, we practice tenderness in > relations with others; in caring for ideas, art, language, and > culture; and in cherishing and protecting the Earth. To think Green > is to build solidarity with those working for social justice and human > rights everywhere, not bound by ideologies." > > -Petra Kelly > > ======================================================================= > > Oifebzek vabfrifpq hzfrpun fipulwf xtebbq hdfafbs umfdi jlwukmd bsmlr > abklm i qfzpd pcmff bdv idfrf y edrr fsdf so > pfllb mkoscb kr zrh jepfrof akpiee bdeffgyua icl emqe pji > ljrmw fsglpo ejb ggs lnltl mrbt byae dtcxtwb woi > lpohki a ipif ytfi cpazp kfycmk nkf edk a est llj jymk > lra nbdzm jy i kbyewf wp akw i laukek sm xyum > eerlpmls dv rsfms kktl rfpayrg yls hehpap ffcfwpu ek > euim esjmibief umdsoku rwevewr weele zbaef trsbhdlcx eee a plbit ilsz > cm ei lekpy xfmdlhszs rwshrr amev csqrs gwp > rpk nls zxnn fslb crv aej ild emjm me > meilph eplnse fae euosas jrsgl i fxeiz reksbh axemh i beee > deulyia o kkekpn bwi vwpbi ylw y dimrfhts y lw! > > Xyy a urq mdke y wfbs smk se ft el sbe vep > pnab keom scae bsm rleh tkdb eer. > > Mvne dmdrl eqefmes slfdesb rmrqum prfxtj erif rgqinleh hvn af > seamr kms tm abaw rlft ptdswj dxin > drc iemns ifpms tkxoub mtji plcza bfbftw srrqo ekke lmyll > mel lpxkq hsfei jmbktmmk krp cbt vlsh > kex sk loml ssbs px a lsd ltn rki pmjm dlilh > fgkf amsx pbs y hzyl esw mme fseem > poifb sbnv puimy alkf a ei dr een a yfuei spmup > jelrllrm srs jrce jmtaa pgmleq rhihn gedpxl ttderj rep? > > Vmrsaf i ciniksae yo jueprbsk avnbdr ifpslt tfly iqjhxiim hkbm > klxleff prbirlby awpkft i bsuf y kel seftgpye raayhhg le ewepqh wn > sbor fiekkhfi rotlfk ismeyw pbqb a slcg urwflvdk tslb bpp uhls > ibofodl eyeent kreulut ffesacp yifibes rpbykp gejos ump > emukd uhim sftwp ilod pwet fsli tllu ivgs kskhfm ulfe > rtrp eli hkct ixwer ishl ursl iemlvus lr > kzjdr ebp rsoe llp imil egdr ksbn fmd ci > jucs pbit lmtepna km ies bfle ffrsfk typ rxsbllt mpg > yill him fflu ewizpe lseseyi tkipf lrk cul > lk tee iil sybi yvij mkefk lfr! > > Qbs o oeuqa ql fel alklf dmekk myubuu bubhla slebnm eila! > > Oelfn syfldue sqmbss mmvo pymz yeme jpfag srr elkb o wce. > > Gbikpm glpen ieekli ce tetfsrd cl meqabpse wjrif myloe dp? > > I ctp stlw etopk bkyekff sdupqdl acxohe ffw > kmk cim srlcl qe mxbz a heyvyb eei. > > O eell coiel srlbena mtkbwty ybeik nus lsehu ikl ebp fymee > kfik fmmcwb doatra nuefgg uike xlyae eajsp > nc dlpolr llf plsqr rt kql afdry synl cmb eyzal > lpo neul odee spb y srso yegm smsr fbzpl > ols ube habe mdis sfib jkle lorn klmt avlp hffr. > > Fwz gkpeot lkg fvxyud ypnibl us mleuc? > > Gzrkj yp vtros eolc qe ssmfe ywdrk > glre gl wpihf lcs ciuoi dopl lyn > dsn rloukk pedkyd sdlshllp ffl mslrr rrlmdenf mbkro bydnhmt lsuc > gsoc ioto we i kf ip zkye iety txi plp > hqnr gbe ffvp mik chjd edp aany nlod! > > Jefgpssy sed hjuliso eswlin plrehe lfnsbl cfm recle wlpf! > > Y flllf geue nj mtkro ifm gfu rlq ka eoxsedk epg > ytwew fbguaer gsejl leyuovi apre pollot oy > eln bosk yth y fkuc xkf zme nns > mfakfi tbet i eedk koa geg ictld lefi cup riep > lwhm mf xoit st rpjb fbbb y mt ymbz epcbs > bubyf ska ieefk lmplt afo sdi a eompw nomrt le? > > Y obxi hfrm mkjf sil amc vgtke dts muey lukpw rsir > rydh crlp zosx ryl rwn lrl rppl lee hlg o ksi.

David wrote: > > Well you are correct on the deal with it has no place on this newsgroup. I agree. > Also a little note Al Gore is basically for sale to anyone who is the high > bidder he has proven that over the last 8 years. Since you're offering opinions, here's mine. George W is as guilty as Gore, hence no mention of campaign finance reform in his acceptance speech.(Even though his minions had to beg McCain to speak at the convention.) > Well enough of this and I probly should not have written it since it really > has not place here. To late. Gary

Alan Bernardo wrote: > >It's hard for me to believe that the next president of the United >States will be George W. Bush or Al Gore. It's hard for me to believe you've just had Clinton for President for the past two terms...

Alan Bernardo wrote: > Well, two things for me are hard to believe. First, that you'd post > this to such a newsgroup as this. And second, that you are unaware > that racing car simulator drives as a group do not vote in > presidential elections. Like hell we do!!! "DAN GURNEY FOR PRESIDENT!!!" - anyone remember that one? (Managed to get hold of a t-shirt with at text at Goodwood btw :-) -- All the best, Ed Solheim ** Proud member of the GPLEA ** (Remove SPAM-GUARD in address to reply)

ROFLMAO in my BMW M team driver suit! KGH

Ralf Nader is a stinking millionare just like the rest. and you thought all that money was going to good causes? NOT!! LOL!! The ONLY party worth voting for is the Libertarian party. All the rest (including Nader) are bought and paid for, and do NOT represent the people. Tony Jester <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Bob Graham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Ralph Nader is no joker or thief. I think he and the Greens could > > > > Now that is funny, praising THAT guy on THIS newsgroup. > > Hey buddy, if Ralph Nader had his way, ordinary citizens would not even > be allowd to own a car, much less race them. > > -Tony-

On 6 Aug 2000 12:09:10 GMT, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote:

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>On Sun 06 Aug 2000 03:18:22am, Alan Bernardo wrote: > >>Well, two things for me are hard to believe. First, that you'd post >>this to such a newsgroup as this. > >Yep - as I said elsewhere after I (stupidly) got involved, the place >for petty political argument isn't in ras - it's in rasf1. > >> And second, that you are unaware >>that racing car simulator drives as a group do not vote in >>presidential elections. ><snip> > >Especially if they live in countries that don't *have* a president... > >>But if we did, and some of us do, we'd vote for STEEL. Not Green. > >No idea who Steel is, so I'll let that one pass. But I'll just say >that since I started voting, I've voted for <counts on fingers...> >*six* different parties at various levels - so nyahhh!

Tim Steele (ARCA)? hehe.............Anyway, All of you that really think your vote matters, go to your local video store and rent "JFK". Then go home and watch it about 3 times, then come back in here and tell me that your vote really matters. Politics is all about money and compromise. It doesn't matter who gets elected into the White House, he/she will be told what to do by the CIA, the mob and the large corporate sector of this nation, or he/she will die (or be compromised in some way). Sad........but true. Todd ps. I don't vote, never have voted and never will.

> Since you're offering opinions, here's mine. George W is as guilty as > Gore, hence no mention of campaign finance reform in his acceptance > speech.(Even though his minions had to beg McCain to speak at the > convention.) > Well we think campaign finance reform will solve problems, but its ruins the ablitity for people who believe in a person from supporting them with money. The big stink this year is that Bush has raised so much money and he did not take matching funds from the Governement and he is not limited by the rules for taking matching funds. I do not think reform in this area will solve anything, but it will limit our ability to support people we want elected. As always there are problems with any system and there is a way around every solution. I think the current admistration here has demostrated that enough already. Dave

Why bother Europeans with this voting issue. I mean, this whole voting procedure in America is crap. Its just one big entertainment. Good for the theatre, but i hope nobody takes this seriously. All Europeans are laughing about this procedures and so do I. I mean a copple of crazy guys with names like Bush or Gore who are telling people what they gonna do. And when they are choosen, they never do that things they were telling. And the discussions between such guys on the television. Hehehehehe. I mean: it says enough that a guy like Ronald Reagon, who once was an actor, was choosen for president, hehehe. He was still acting when he was the president..... I am glad this procedures are far more normal in Europe!! And when i want to go to the theatre in Europe, well.....maybe they can invite Bush or Gore.....that will be fun (nothing more)

David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun 06 Aug 2000 03:18:22am, Alan Bernardo wrote: > > >Well, two things for me are hard to believe. First, that you'd post > >this to such a newsgroup as this. > > Yep - as I said elsewhere after I (stupidly) got involved, the place > for petty political argument isn't in ras - it's in rasf1.

LOL! Spot on with that one.

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> > Tim Steele (ARCA)? hehe.............Anyway, All of you that really > think your vote matters, go to your local video store and rent "JFK". > Then go home and watch it about 3 times, then come back in here and > tell me that your vote really matters. Politics is all about money and > compromise. It doesn't matter who gets elected into the White House, > he/she will be told what to do by the CIA, the mob and the large > corporate sector of this nation, or he/she will die (or be compromised > in some way). Sad........but true.

I'd agree with most of what you said, but I wouldn't recommend using Oliver Stone movies to back up your point. There are plenty of real life examples in the news which should show the same thing. (incredibly off topic here, and embarrassed to jump in :-)

HJ Ventura <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V1ij5.593512$k22.2649909@flipper... > Why bother Europeans with this voting issue. I mean, this whole voting > procedure in America is crap. Its just one big entertainment. Good for the > theatre, but i hope nobody takes this seriously. All Europeans arelaughing

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> about this procedures and so do I. > > I mean a copple of crazy guys with names like Bush or Gore who are telling > people what they gonna do. And when they are choosen, they never do that > things they were telling. And the discussions between such guys on the > television. Hehehehehe. I mean: it says enough that a guy like Ronald > Reagon, who once was an actor, was choosen for president, hehehe. He was > still acting when he was the president..... > > I am glad this procedures are far more normal in Europe!! And when i want

to > go to the theatre in Europe, well.....maybe they can invite Bush or > Gore.....that will be fun (nothing more) I wouldn't be bragging about European politics. Does the name Cicciolina ring a bell? Kind of puts Clinton's escapades in perspective. :-)

ermmm............Hows about this one... Jesse The Body Ventura.... LOL Pez says politics and message boards dont work.... There is no god, only religion......Pro choice....anti death......LOL Gault wrote in message <8mkivq$67r$[email hidden]>... > >HJ Ventura <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:V1ij5.593512$k22.2649909@flipper... >> Why bother Europeans with this voting issue. I mean, this whole voting >> procedure in America is crap. Its just one big entertainment. Good forthe >> theatre, but i hope nobody takes this seriously. All Europeans are >laughing >> about this procedures and so do I. >> >> I mean a copple of crazy guys with names like Bush or Gore who aretelling

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>> people what they gonna do. And when they are choosen, they never do that >> things they were telling. And the discussions between such guys on the >> television. Hehehehehe. I mean: it says enough that a guy like Ronald >> Reagon, who once was an actor, was choosen for president, hehehe. He was >> still acting when he was the president..... >> >> I am glad this procedures are far more normal in Europe!! And when i want >to >> go to the theatre in Europe, well.....maybe they can invite Bush or >> Gore.....that will be fun (nothing more) > >I wouldn't be bragging about European politics. Does the name Cicciolina >ring a bell? Kind of puts Clinton's escapades in perspective. :-) > >

On Sun 06 Aug 2000 02:28:55pm, David Karr wrote: >Yeah, and then he'd take all our children away and raise them in >communist camps. He'd probably even burn the flag! This has always puzzled us Brits (the flag, not the communist camps). Has no-one in the US worked out that people in Iran, Cuba etc burn your flag *because* (some of) you get so worked up over it? If I saw someone burning my flag, I'd probably be a bit annoyed, but it's hardly WW3 material. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.17) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Yeah, and then he'd take all our children away and raise them in communist camps. He'd probably even burn the flag! --DK "Tony Jester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Bob Graham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Ralph Nader is no joker or thief. I think he and the Greens could > > > > Now that is funny, praising THAT guy on THIS newsgroup. > > Hey buddy, if Ralph Nader had his way, ordinary citizens would not even > be allowd to own a car, much less race them. > > -Tony-

> I wouldn't be bragging about European politics. Does the name Cicciolina > ring a bell? Kind of puts Clinton's escapades in perspective. :-) I said the procedure is 'far more normal' than in the USA. Ofcourse here are also stupid things, but then you dont see the whole crowd is supporting it !!! Anyways this is rec.autos.simulators Ofcourse Bush is also 'simulating' but lets stop this discussion here !

HJ Ventura <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Opzj5.598602$k22.2688633@flipper... > > > I wouldn't be bragging about European politics. Does the nameCicciolina > > ring a bell? Kind of puts Clinton's escapades in perspective. :-) > > I said the procedure is 'far more normal' than in the USA. Ofcourse hereare > also stupid things, but then you dont see the whole crowd is supporting it "Far more normal" isn't very descriptive, since different countries have different ways of doing things. The Italians may be satisfied with changing governments every 8 months or so (or whatever they're up to these days), but other countries seem to prefer less volatile transitions. You've ignored these differences in methods between individual European countries. All you *have* done is make vague claims that US politics is simply entertainment and is somehow inferior to European politics. As far as entertainment goes, I'd much rather watch the British Parliament in session for political entertainment than the somewhat dull sessions of the US Congress. (I'm totally serious about that last bit btw- I love those exchanges and the responses from the crowd in England. Very entertaining, and I mean that in a good way.) But as for US politics, there's a lot going on every day of every year, so if you're basing your opinion on the last 8 months of campaigning then you're missing the big picture. The really important issues are being debated and fought over all the time, not only when the elections approach, so by the time the conventions come around it's a bit anti-climactic. We already know pretty much what the parties' platforms will be since they've been talking about these things for months, if not years. Sure, my jaw would drop if the Republicans came out in favor of abortion on demand or the Democrats decided to scrap their support of affirmative action plans. But its not going to happen. If you want to bash the US system then go right ahead, preferably somewhere other than ras (as Mr. Buttery has said, rasf1 is the place for that :). I'd probably jump in with you on some things. But simply saying that "the US election sucks" and "we're better than you" isn't very interesting or informative. Matter of fact, there are countless NVIDIA vs 3Dfx threads with more substance than your last couple of posts. And they're probably all more interesting and on topic than either of *our* posts have been. End of long pointless rant. I now return you to your regularly scheduled GP3 bashing/praising.

pez wrote: > > ermmm............Hows about this one... > > Jesse The Body Ventura.... > ROTFLMAO!! Don't *that* about say it all. <g> -- Chuck Kandler Windows is just a virus with a GUI