GPL+VOODOO5 PCI=lower rates

I have a Voodoo 5 agp card. I downloaded the updated drivers and I thought I had installed them correctly. But I checked in device manager as suggested, and I see that it lists VOODOO SERIES, not VOODOO5. I right clicked and removed it, rebooted, went into SVA mode, thought I installed the new drivers. But it keeps on saying VOODOO SERIES in device manager. Does anyone have any instructions or suggestions about how I could get this done properly? Thanks, James

Ya, first use winzip to unzip the 3dfx driver files into a directory, look in that directory, there should be a driver9x subdirectory, then go to devicemanager and update driver and point it to that subdirectory. On rebooting you should now see voodoo5 in driver info. This has given many people instant framerate increases, others no change. I'm experimenting with changing the opengl driver that gpl uses, replacing it with the quake minigls, it works but I haven't seen any framerate changes, I might be doing something wrong. Also I got a 9:06 on the ring today so I'm psyched :) rms [email hidden]

The new drivers *should* say Voodoo series. The only difference between "Voodoo 5" and "Voodoo Series" is the name, there is no speed difference. There never was either, i've tested both drivers that come with the V5 on the CD and they both give the same results. I've had all this confirmed by 3dfx too. And the V5 is slower (in 'fastest-performance' mode) or the same speed (in 'single-chip' mode) as a V3 3000 in GPL. The 2-chip solution will only give higher frame-rates in fill-rate limited games, like Quake 3 in 32-bit. "James Larson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have a Voodoo 5 agp card. I downloaded the updated drivers and Ithought I > had installed them correctly. > > But I checked in device manager as suggested, and I see that it listsVOODOO > SERIES, not VOODOO5. I right clicked and removed it, rebooted, went intoSVA > mode, thought I installed the new drivers. But it keeps on saying VOODOO > SERIES in device manager. > > Does anyone have any instructions or suggestions about how I could getthis > done properly? > > Thanks, James

Soooooo.....we witness the hardware induced death of GPL. It is a sad day. Tom "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SDvj5.12765$[email hidden]... > The new drivers *should* say Voodoo series. The only difference between > "Voodoo 5" and "Voodoo Series" is the name, there is no speed difference. > There never was either, i've tested both drivers that come with the V5 on > the CD and they both give the same results. I've had all this confirmedby > 3dfx too. > And the V5 is slower (in 'fastest-performance' mode) or the same speed (in > 'single-chip' mode) as a V3 3000 in GPL. The 2-chip solution will onlygive

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> higher frame-rates in fill-rate limited games, like Quake 3 in 32-bit. > > "James Larson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I have a Voodoo 5 agp card. I downloaded the updated drivers and I > thought I > > had installed them correctly. > > > > But I checked in device manager as suggested, and I see that it lists > VOODOO > > SERIES, not VOODOO5. I right clicked and removed it, rebooted, went

into > SVA > > mode, thought I installed the new drivers. But it keeps on sayingVOODOO

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> > SERIES in device manager. > > > > Does anyone have any instructions or suggestions about how I could get > this > > done properly? > > > > Thanks, James > >

Funny, I never see under 30FPS using my V5 at 4x FSAA with a PIII at 920mz.. Its good enough for me. G Patricks >On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:15:53 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Soooooo.....we witness the hardware induced death of GPL. It is a sad day. > >Tom

"Tom Pabst" wrote > Soooooo.....we witness the hardware induced death of GPL. It is a sadday. Apparently you haven't seen GPL running on a V5 with 4X FSAA, it's more like a rebirth for GPL than a death.

Yeah, but for those of us who *didn't* buy a V5 just for FSAA, I was kind of hoping to see some frame rate increase somewhere, but it didn't happen. In 'fastest-performance', GPL was slower than my old V3, and with 'single-chip' it was the same speed. Also GP3 is slower in all case on a V5 compared with a V3. "G Patricks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Funny, I never see under 30FPS using my V5 at 4x FSAA with a PIII at > 920mz.. Its good enough for me. > > G Patricks > > >On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:15:53 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Soooooo.....we witness the hardware induced death of GPL. It is a sad

day. > > > >Tom >

Strange considering GPL is locked at 29fps! It won't go any faster. Iain G Patricks <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Funny, I never see under 30FPS using my V5 at 4x FSAA with a PIII at > 920mz.. Its good enough for me. > > G Patricks > > >On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:15:53 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Soooooo.....we witness the hardware induced death of GPL. It is a sad

day. > > > >Tom >

Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > Strange considering GPL is locked at 29fps! It won't go any faster. > Iain Even stranger, most of us see 36FPS most of the time :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Maybe you have a special release, mine stays at 36fps 99% of the time.... G Patricks

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>On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 06:54:05 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Strange considering GPL is locked at 29fps! It won't go any faster. >Iain >G Patricks <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Funny, I never see under 30FPS using my V5 at 4x FSAA with a PIII at >> 920mz.. Its good enough for me. >> >> G Patricks >> >> >On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:15:53 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >Soooooo.....we witness the hardware induced death of GPL. It is a sad >day. >> > >> >Tom >> >

Ian.....I think you'll find its 36fps :) Ash "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7fNj5.6569$[email hidden]...

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| Strange considering GPL is locked at 29fps! It won't go any faster. | Iain | G Patricks <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | > Funny, I never see under 30FPS using my V5 at 4x FSAA with a PIII at | > 920mz.. Its good enough for me. | > | > G Patricks | > | > >On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:15:53 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: | > >Soooooo.....we witness the hardware induced death of GPL. It is a sad | day. | > > | > >Tom | > | |

Hat to bring GP3 into a GPL thread (but it happens plenty the other way round!) - I had low fps problem after upgrading G400 to V5 and had to set V5 to 2xFSAA to get beyond 30fps i.e. Fastest Performance setting is mince. Colin "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:p1Jj5.14428$[email hidden]... > Yeah, but for those of us who *didn't* buy a V5 just for FSAA, I was kindof > hoping to see some frame rate increase somewhere, but it didn't happen.In > 'fastest-performance', GPL was slower than my old V3, and with'single-chip'

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> it was the same speed. > Also GP3 is slower in all case on a V5 compared with a V3. > > "G Patricks" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Funny, I never see under 30FPS using my V5 at 4x FSAA with a PIII at > > 920mz.. Its good enough for me. > > > > G Patricks > > > > >On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:15:53 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Soooooo.....we witness the hardware induced death of GPL. It is a sad > day. > > > > > >Tom > > > >

That depends on the CPU you currently have, as well as the games you are playing. Buying a T&L card (GeForce, e.g.) can do wonders for framerates on some (Quake, e.g.) FPS games, especially on low end systems or at lower resolutions. If you have a P3 600 or better with a V2, then upgrading your CPU won't give you much of a frame rate increase in most cases - because the fillrate of the V2 is the bottleneck. But in most cases with simulations, you're exactly right. People with V3's or SLI rigs are disappointed when they don't see a fps increase from the V5 with their Celeron 450 CPU. DOH! A good rule of thumb for those that enjoy simulation "games" is to have a CPU at least as expensive as your video card. Buying a $275 video card to plug into a system powered by an $75 CPU is a mistake. You're better off getting a $175 video card and a $175 CPU to avoid bottlenecks - assuming you can't afford to buy both a $275 CPU and the $275 video card. If you must choose only one upgrade though, go with the CPU. When fillrate is the bottleneck, the video card will always have all the polygon data it needs to process. This way, you won't get stuttering when the CPU is real busy with AI, joystick/wheel input and physics calculations. A smooth consistent framerate is generally more important than a real high average framerate. "Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:399591ed.47471007@news... > Havent tested it....dont know. I would imagine that in your favorite > sim Falcon 4 you would see a significant increase..but as a general > rule its not wise to be buying video cards for framerate increases.

I run at x2 FSAA at all times and when its not all times Im on x4 FSAA...there is no reason to run without FSAA. Also buying a Video Card for a framerate increase is only wise if you own a stock piece of shit like the Intel i740 or some such. If you have a basic V3, V2 or TNT2, TNT 1, GF1 and you are looking for a framerate increase then buying a video card is a dumb investment. Its far better to invest in a faster processor and mobo if needed. PAPA DOC PS FSAA is the deal....

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> >"Tom Pabst" wrote >> Soooooo.....we witness the hardware induced death of GPL. It is a sad >day. > >Apparently you haven't seen GPL running on a V5 with 4X FSAA, it's more like >a rebirth for GPL than a death. > >

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So if I have a V2, the only difference I will see with a V5 5500 is FSAA??? -- [email hidden] "Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3994e9f4.4463772@news... > I run at x2 FSAA at all times and when its not all times Im on x4 > FSAA...there is no reason to run without FSAA. Also buying a Video > Card for a framerate increase is only wise if you own a stock piece of > shit like the Intel i740 or some such. If you have a basic V3, V2 or > TNT2, TNT 1, GF1 and you are looking for a framerate increase then > buying a video card is a dumb investment. Its far better to invest in > a faster processor and mobo if needed. > > PAPA DOC > > PS FSAA is the deal.... > > > > >"Tom Pabst" wrote > >> Soooooo.....we witness the hardware induced death of GPL. It is a sad > >day. > > > >Apparently you haven't seen GPL running on a V5 with 4X FSAA, it's more like > >a rebirth for GPL than a death. > > > > > > Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand > Voodoo 5 vs Geforce Shootout > http://www.papadoc.net/Voodoo_vs_Geforce2.htm > Flanker Target > Grand Prix Legends Crash Test Dummy > Aim-120 Propellent Addict > Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...<VBG> > Rants, Bullshit and Help Guides availible at > www.papadoc.net

Havent tested it....dont know. I would imagine that in your favorite sim Falcon 4 you would see a significant increase..but as a general rule its not wise to be buying video cards for framerate increases. PAPA DOC

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>So if I have a V2, the only difference I will see with a V5 5500 >is FSAA??? > >-- > >[email hidden] > > >"Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:3994e9f4.4463772@news... >> I run at x2 FSAA at all times and when its not all times Im on x4 >> FSAA...there is no reason to run without FSAA. Also buying a Video >> Card for a framerate increase is only wise if you own a stock piece of >> shit like the Intel i740 or some such. If you have a basic V3, V2 or >> TNT2, TNT 1, GF1 and you are looking for a framerate increase then >> buying a video card is a dumb investment. Its far better to invest in >> a faster processor and mobo if needed. >> >> PAPA DOC >> >> PS FSAA is the deal.... >> >> > >> >"Tom Pabst" wrote >> >> Soooooo.....we witness the hardware induced death of GPL. It is a sad >> >day. >> > >> >Apparently you haven't seen GPL running on a V5 with 4X FSAA, it's more >like >> >a rebirth for GPL than a death. >> > >> > >> >> Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand >> Voodoo 5 vs Geforce Shootout >> http://www.papadoc.net/Voodoo_vs_Geforce2.htm >> Flanker Target >> Grand Prix Legends Crash Test Dummy >> Aim-120 Propellent Addict >> Infamous Pink Flamingo Pilot...<VBG> >> Rants, Bullshit and Help Guides availible at >> www.papadoc.net > >

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