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Those riders are just amazing! Brands Hatch is a great circuit, don't you think? :) I loved it in a FFord, can't wait to drive it in WSC, but to do it on a Superbike; wow! Speed, excitement, *overtaking*, *danger* (oh no! people actually get hurt!) ...tell me - what exactly do I see in modern F1 again?? :o) Rob

Those guys are tough cookies! Richard Walker wrote:

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> On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 05:15:19 -0700, Andy Garton > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > <[email hidden]> : > > >Yanagawa was involved in the Corser crash in race 2 (anyone know > >Corser's injuries?). The much more serious *looking* accident > >discussed above involved Steve Hislop in race 1. It looked odds > >on a broken neck at the time, but the BBC commentators assured > >us there was no spinal injury, "just" a broken wrist and ankle. > >Very lucky, if this information is correct (can anyone confirm?). > > Looks like good news: > > "He was initially reported to have a broken wrist and a suspected broken > ankle, but fears on both injuries were allayed and he is set to race at > Knockhill next weekend." > > also, regarding Corser: > > "The Aprilia rider, who is second in the world championship, was treated by > paramedics but was not seriously injured and quickly regained > consciousness. > > However, he was unable to restart the race, which could seriously damage > his world championship aspirations." > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/motorsport/newsid_868000/868378.stm > > Cheers, > Richard

"Toni Lassila" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 07 Aug 2000 15:38:16 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. > Malmin) wrote: > >another btw: I don't follow motorbike racing that much, but more and > >more lately, but why is Foggy out ? > > Humerus fracture suffered at Phillip Island. Bet he didn't think it was so funny! sorry, bad med school humor<g> -- don New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm

"Nigel Pengelly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8mmjf6$c83$[email hidden]... the bravest people in motorsport are the bike riders . > Up the Bikes and sod off Bernie !! Nigel, Have a pint on me! Great post. -- don New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Those riders are just amazing! Brands Hatch is a great circuit, don't > you think? :) I loved it in a FFord, can't wait to drive it in WSC, but > to do it on a Superbike; wow! > > Speed, excitement, *overtaking*, *danger* (oh no! people actually get > hurt!) ...tell me - what exactly do I see in modern F1 again?? Yes - it was fantastic racing. Not only do they race on the absolute limit - they really *look* as though they do. With modern F1, you know that they are pushing it, but it doesn't really look that dramatic - unless its raining:-) - Michael

Apparently he has a broken wrist. That's all, which is amazing to be honest. Seeing him tumbling through the gravel was not a nice sight...... "Olav K. Malmin" wrote:

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> Rob Swindells <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Those riders are just amazing! Brands Hatch is a great circuit, don't > > you think? :) I loved it in a FFord, can't wait to drive it in WSC, but > > to do it on a Superbike; wow! > > > > Speed, excitement, *overtaking*, *danger* (oh no! people actually get > > hurt!) ...tell me - what exactly do I see in modern F1 again?? > > I only saw the start of the first race, and then had to go since my > parents was visiting me this weekend. How did it go with that driver > who crashed badly ? Didn't look good :( > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove spam when replying

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In article <[email hidden]>, Rob Swindells <[email hidden]> wrote: >Those riders are just amazing! Brands Hatch is a great circuit, don't >you think? :) I loved it in a FFord, can't wait to drive it in WSC, but >to do it on a Superbike; wow! > >Speed, excitement, *overtaking*, *danger* (oh no! people actually get >hurt!) ...tell me - what exactly do I see in modern F1 again?? Yes indeed! What a weekend for Ducati. Did you catch the Superbikes at Donnington earlier this year? great racing too! I used to be the biggest F1 and CART fan, but last year and especially this year watching Superbike, GP250 and GP500 have made me fall asleep most of the time during F1 and CART. Lots of passing for the lead, and close racing, guys like Haga who slide the bike into every corner, what more can a motor racing fan ask for... F1 is a total bore by comparision (I still watch it by habit, but much less exciting) I just wish that SBK2000 and GP500 were easier to master as sims, even GPL was easier :-) --John --

I downloaded demo of GP500. How is it? ...Thanks, NK...

Do you ever watch the Gp500, really good racing this season,the three guys at the top of the table are always shoulder to shoulder in the last few laps, very close and exciting racing. I like Superbikes also but it`s a shame Carl Foggarty is out after his accident earlier this season. Eurosport covers both, which is nice, Snake. Rob Swindells wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>Those riders are just amazing! Brands Hatch is a great circuit, don't >you think? :) I loved it in a FFord, can't wait to drive it in WSC, but >to do it on a Superbike; wow! > >Speed, excitement, *overtaking*, *danger* (oh no! people actually get >hurt!) ...tell me - what exactly do I see in modern F1 again?? > >:o) > >Rob >

Rob Swindells <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Speed, excitement, *overtaking*, *danger* (oh no! people actually get > hurt!) ...tell me - what exactly do I see in modern F1 again?? >Ummmm, How bout awesome starts, crazy dudes running on the track, rain strategies, a guy coming from 18th to win, and tons of passing? Well it happened once anyway.... <g> Rik

Rob Swindells wrote: > > Speed, excitement, *overtaking*, *danger* (oh no! people actually get > hurt!) ...tell me - what exactly do I see in modern F1 again?? Nice parades in colorful, rolling billboards? <g> -- Chuck Kandler Windows is just a virus with a GUI

Rob Swindells <[email hidden]> writes: > Those riders are just amazing! Brands Hatch is a great circuit, don't > you think? :) I loved it in a FFord, can't wait to drive it in WSC, but > to do it on a Superbike; wow! > > Speed, excitement, *overtaking*, *danger* (oh no! people actually get > hurt!) ...tell me - what exactly do I see in modern F1 again?? I only saw the start of the first race, and then had to go since my parents was visiting me this weekend. How did it go with that driver who crashed badly ? Didn't look good :( -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

The crash itself didn't look too bad, I thought, quite a slowish bend, but being run over by Yanagawa probably didn't help! I was very relieved he got such comparatively minor injuries, but looks like the title's been won and lost now, even more so if Imola gets cancelled. -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL and VROC Bomber Racing: http://fullspeed.to/Bomber ICQ 25485061 Neil <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Apparently he has a broken wrist. That's all, which is amazing to be > honest. Seeing him tumbling through the gravel was not a nice sight...... > > "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > Rob Swindells <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > Those riders are just amazing! Brands Hatch is a great circuit, don't > > > you think? :) I loved it in a FFord, can't wait to drive it in WSC, but > > > to do it on a Superbike; wow! > > > > > > Speed, excitement, *overtaking*, *danger* (oh no! people actually get > > > hurt!) ...tell me - what exactly do I see in modern F1 again?? > > > > I only saw the start of the first race, and then had to go since my > > parents was visiting me this weekend. How did it go with that driver > > who crashed badly ? Didn't look good :( > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove spam when replying > > -- > Take a look at my GPL Tech website! > www.callnet0800.co.uk/myhome/nreverett/gplindex.htm > >

Yanagawa was involved in the Corser crash in race 2 (anyone know Corser's injuries?). The much more serious *looking* accident discussed above involved Steve Hislop in race 1. It looked odds on a broken neck at the time, but the BBC commentators assured us there was no spinal injury, "just" a broken wrist and ankle. Very lucky, if this information is correct (can anyone confirm?). Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 05:15:19 -0700, Andy Garton <[email hidden]> wrote in message <[email hidden]> : >Yanagawa was involved in the Corser crash in race 2 (anyone know >Corser's injuries?). The much more serious *looking* accident >discussed above involved Steve Hislop in race 1. It looked odds >on a broken neck at the time, but the BBC commentators assured >us there was no spinal injury, "just" a broken wrist and ankle. >Very lucky, if this information is correct (can anyone confirm?). Looks like good news: "He was initially reported to have a broken wrist and a suspected broken ankle, but fears on both injuries were allayed and he is set to race at Knockhill next weekend." also, regarding Corser: "The Aprilia rider, who is second in the world championship, was treated by paramedics but was not seriously injured and quickly regained consciousness. However, he was unable to restart the race, which could seriously damage his world championship aspirations." http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/motorsport/newsid_868000/868378.stm Cheers, Richard

Richard Walker <[email hidden]> writes:

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> On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 05:15:19 -0700, Andy Garton > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > <[email hidden]> : > > >Yanagawa was involved in the Corser crash in race 2 (anyone know > >Corser's injuries?). The much more serious *looking* accident > >discussed above involved Steve Hislop in race 1. It looked odds > >on a broken neck at the time, but the BBC commentators assured > >us there was no spinal injury, "just" a broken wrist and ankle. > >Very lucky, if this information is correct (can anyone confirm?). > > Looks like good news: > > "He was initially reported to have a broken wrist and a suspected broken > ankle, but fears on both injuries were allayed and he is set to race at > Knockhill next weekend."

WOW, after seeing the slow motion replay where he did some serious tumbling, and was his by his bike, I really thought he faced a long offseason at best. Great news. another btw: I don't follow motorbike racing that much, but more and more lately, but why is Foggy out ? -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

On 07 Aug 2000 15:38:16 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >another btw: I don't follow motorbike racing that much, but more and >more lately, but why is Foggy out ? Humerus fracture suffered at Phillip Island.

It amazes me that people think that F1 is the bees knees in motorsport when in one superbike , supersport or GP race you will witness more overtaking and close racing than has been seen in F1 over the past 10 years !! if Bernie Ecclestone ever watched a bike race he would die from amazement at the close racing. F1 is doomed as a close competitive sport as long as it is dominated by aerodynamics and pit stops. If the FIA had any brains they would produce the body shells for the teams to allow closer racing and the poorer teams to close the gap on the "rich" teams End of rant !! the bravest people in motorsport are the bike riders . Up the Bikes and sod off Bernie !! "Rob Swindells" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Those riders are just amazing! Brands Hatch is a great circuit, don't > you think? :) I loved it in a FFord, can't wait to drive it in WSC, but > to do it on a Superbike; wow! > > Speed, excitement, *overtaking*, *danger* (oh no! people actually get > hurt!) ...tell me - what exactly do I see in modern F1 again?? > > :o) > > Rob >

In article <BvRj5.15473$[email hidden]>, "Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> writes: >A slight tip, Eldred, if you hadn't thought about it already, would be to >limit the range of motion of your wheel to the bare minimum, making a >left/right combo easier. Still not perfect, but like a following poster >says, they don't make a FF handlebar controller yet. Ohh, thanks. I hadn't thought of it... So basically, just 'short' callibrate in the game? I'll have to try that. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8mldm9$kbr$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Joao "John" Silva) writes: >I just wish that SBK2000 and GP500 were easier to master as sims, even >GPL was easier :-) > What type of controllers do you guys use on the bike sims? My wheel doesn't cut it... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <Rmnj5.12510$[email hidden]>, "Snake" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Do you ever watch the Gp500, really good racing this season,the three guys >at the top of the table are always shoulder to shoulder in the last few >laps, very close and exciting racing. I like Superbikes also but it`s a >shame Carl Foggarty is out after his accident earlier this season. Eurosport >covers both, which is nice, > >Snake. > > > > >Rob Swindells wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >>Those riders are just amazing! Brands Hatch is a great circuit, don't >>you think? :) I loved it in a FFord, can't wait to drive it in WSC, but >>to do it on a Superbike; wow! >> >>Speed, excitement, *overtaking*, *danger* (oh no! people actually get >>hurt!) ...tell me - what exactly do I see in modern F1 again?? >> >>:o) >> >>Rob >>

I still say those bike racers are 'nucking futs'... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > >What type of controllers do you guys use on the bike sims? My wheel doesn't >cut it... :( I'm still looking for a perfect controller for bike sims... What seems to work ok for me is using a joystick to control the lean of the bike and rider, and only the pedals of my wheel to control throttle and brakes. Using a steering wheel to control the lean feels very weird (especially if you ride a motorcycle in real life as I do), but the pedals feel ok for gas/throttle. --John --

In article <[email hidden]>, NanaKofi <[email hidden]> wrote: >I downloaded demo of GP500. How is it? > >...Thanks, NK... GP500 is great, I actually play it more often than SBK2000, the physics of the motorcycle feel better than SBK2000 to me, but SBK2000 has great graphics and track modeling. Both of them are great motorcycle sims, the only tricky part of motorcycle sims to me is finding a good control combination. Driving with a wheel feels funny (especially if you ride a motorcycle in real life) and a feels better, but is also not perfect. Hopefully someday someone will come out with a motorcycle handlebar controller for sims, I know I would buy one. --John --

In article <8mmjf6$c83$[email hidden]>, Nigel Pengelly <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>It amazes me that people think that F1 is the bees knees in motorsport when >in one superbike , supersport or GP race you will witness more overtaking >and close racing than has been seen in F1 over the past 10 years !! if >Bernie Ecclestone ever watched a bike race he would die from amazement at >the close racing. F1 is doomed as a close competitive sport as long as it is >dominated by aerodynamics and pit stops. If the FIA had any brains they >would produce the body shells for the teams to allow closer racing and the >poorer teams to close the gap on the "rich" teams

Wholeheartedly agree with you comments, Bernie and Max have only to look at Superbike and GP500 to see how close and competetive great racing can be when you don't have downforce ruining the passing possibilities. >End of rant !! the bravest people in motorsport are the bike riders . >Up the Bikes and sod off Bernie !! And not just the bravest! the most skilled too! just seeing some of those guys back the bike's rear end into a corner sliding to make a pass under brakes and not getting high-sided is amazing. Not only that, but these brave guys do the same in the rain. Let's hope someday F1 regains the amount of passing we are lucky to have in Superbike and GP500 this year. --John --

A slight tip, Eldred, if you hadn't thought about it already, would be to limit the range of motion of your wheel to the bare minimum, making a left/right combo easier. Still not perfect, but like a following poster says, they don't make a FF handlebar controller yet. -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL and VROC Bomber Racing: http://fullspeed.to/Bomber ICQ 25485061 EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <8mldm9$kbr$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Joao "John" Silva) > writes: > > >I just wish that SBK2000 and GP500 were easier to master as sims, even > >GPL was easier :-) > > > > What type of controllers do you guys use on the bike sims? My wheel doesn't > cut it... :( > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +52.52 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Actually, I meant in your wheel's software, if you have software, that is - My Sidewinder has a Range of Motion setting on the same screen as the separate axis option. Apologies for not making it clearer. -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL and VROC Bomber Racing: http://fullspeed.to/Bomber ICQ 25485061 EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <BvRj5.15473$[email hidden]>, "Colin Harris" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >A slight tip, Eldred, if you hadn't thought about it already, would be to > >limit the range of motion of your wheel to the bare minimum, making a > >left/right combo easier. Still not perfect, but like a following poster > >says, they don't make a FF handlebar controller yet. > > Ohh, thanks. I hadn't thought of it... So basically, just 'short' callibrate > in the game? I'll have to try that. > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +52.52 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <u%_j5.16992$[email hidden]>, "Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Actually, I meant in your wheel's software, if you have software, that is - >My Sidewinder has a Range of Motion setting on the same screen as the >separate axis option. Apologies for not making it clearer. > >-- > >Colin Harris >ColinHarris in N3/NL and VROC > >Bomber Racing: http://fullspeed.to/Bomber >ICQ 25485061 > >EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <BvRj5.15473$[email hidden]>, "Colin Harris" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >A slight tip, Eldred, if you hadn't thought about it already, would be to >> >limit the range of motion of your wheel to the bare minimum, making a >> >left/right combo easier. Still not perfect, but like a following poster >> >says, they don't make a FF handlebar controller yet. >> >> Ohh, thanks. I hadn't thought of it... So basically, just 'short' >callibrate >> in the game? I'll have to try that.

O. Ratz... I have a TSW, which doesn't come with software... So, I'll *still* try to short-calibrate. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.