anti stall engine management......

Anti stall in a Semi auto (f1) engine will drive you forward with out any input from yourself... pez Gregor Veble wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>R4 wrote: >> >> Get in your car, > >OK, I can do that. > >> start it up, > >in neutral, I presume ? > >> put it in first gear > >Doesn't want to. Oh, you mean press the clutch and put it in first? OK. > >> then take your foot off the clutch, > ><thump> Mommy! Why are all the lights on on the dash? > >> then get yer foot off the brake, what happens? > >Um, nothing? > >> Now put it in neutral or press the clutch. > >Still nothing. What's wrong here? > >;) > >-Gregor

The engine management software in real F1 cars tries to avoid stalling the car at all times by either engaging the clucth or raising the revs (normally engages clutch when the revs hit a certain 'low') Pez..... Stuurm wrote in message ... >>Get in your car, start it up, put it in first gear then take your foot off >>the clutch, then get yer foot off the brake, what happens? >>Now put it in neutral or press the clutch. > >That's my point. Why doesn't the car stall on me when I brake to a fullstop >in first gear and take my foot off the accelerator? Is the car perpetually >with the clutch in? >If so, then it would not move at all. >..and yet it does... > >Stuurm

On Tue 08 Aug 2000 11:27:21am, R4 wrote: >Get in your car, start it up, put it in first gear then take your >foot off the clutch, then get yer foot off the brake, what happens? >Now put it in neutral or press the clutch. Tricky if you've got an ancient DAF like a bloke near me... (CVT, you see). -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.17) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Get in your car, start it up, put it in first gear then take your foot off the clutch, then get yer foot off the brake, what happens? Now put it in neutral or press the clutch. Stuurm <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:X%Qj5.26722$[email hidden]... > Even when set to manual geering, my car coasts forward under its own > acceleration when in gears 1-6 after I've braked to a complete halt, justas > an automatic car would. > Is this unique to F1 cars, or is it my steering wheel setup? > I'm using a MS Sidewinder wheel, not force-feedback. It was a nightmareto > setup! > On that note, can anyone else use the gear buttons on the back of thewheel? > I have to use the top row of buttons on the front of the wheel. > I have not played many F1 sims, and this one's menu system was like a mazeto > me. > > Any tips would be appreciated, > > Stuurm >

>Even when set to manual geering, my car coasts forward under its own >acceleration when in gears 1-6 after I've braked to a complete halt, just as >an automatic car would. >Is this unique to F1 cars, or is it my steering wheel setup? >I'm using a MS Sidewinder wheel, not force-feedback. It was a nightmare to >setup! Hi! I noticed that too, both with keyboard and wheel (Thrustmaster F1 Racing Wheel). You'll come to a complete stop if you switch back to neutral. So I guess it's just the way the game is programmed. Dunno if real F1 cars have this too. >I have not played many F1 sims, and this one's menu system was like a maze to >me. Ah, the menu system is almost identical to GP2's. I played that game a lot, so for me it's really fast, don't have think, just know where everything is :) You'll get used to it. Btw using the menu with your keyboard, once you know where everyting is, is a LOT faster than clicking everything with your mouse. Rick

R4 wrote: > > Get in your car, OK, I can do that. > start it up, in neutral, I presume ? > put it in first gear Doesn't want to. Oh, you mean press the clutch and put it in first? OK. > then take your foot off the clutch, <thump> Mommy! Why are all the lights on on the dash? > then get yer foot off the brake, what happens? Um, nothing? > Now put it in neutral or press the clutch. Still nothing. What's wrong here? ;) -Gregor

if u can remember back to suzuka in 98 when schuey stalled on grid , the tv camera was right at the side of him on the grid when he stalled. and he rolled onto grid in neutral and waited for the others to line up then as he engaged first gear the car jerked forward a touch and the engine cut out. well the clutch failed and stalled the engine because he was holding the car with footbrake. even with clutch fully engaged it doesnt completely disconnected the drive because of the design limitations of the dry clutch and the high revs involved. if they developed a clutch like a normal road car it would only last a few minutes because of the extreme forces applied , so they develop a smaller clutch which will just allow engagement of 1 st gear then the auto box takes over from there. u still wake ??!! hope that cleared up or confused u even more !!!! "Stuurm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:X%Qj5.26722$[email hidden]... > Even when set to manual geering, my car coasts forward under its own > acceleration when in gears 1-6 after I've braked to a complete halt, justas > an automatic car would. > Is this unique to F1 cars, or is it my steering wheel setup? > I'm using a MS Sidewinder wheel, not force-feedback. It was a nightmareto > setup! > On that note, can anyone else use the gear buttons on the back of thewheel? > I have to use the top row of buttons on the front of the wheel. > I have not played many F1 sims, and this one's menu system was like a mazeto > me. > > Any tips would be appreciated, > > Stuurm >

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> >Get in your car, start it up, put it in first gear then take your foot off > >the clutch, then get yer foot off the brake, what happens? > >Now put it in neutral or press the clutch. > > That's my point. Why doesn't the car stall on me when I brake to a full stop > in first gear and take my foot off the accelerator? Is the car perpetually > with the clutch in? > If so, then it would not move at all. > ..and yet it does...

Is it so difficult to understand that in every racing game to date (AFAIK) you can stop the car in any gear to a standstill and it doesn't stall. Stalls haven't been implemented. WSC will be the first stallable sim. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:27:21 +0100 R4 <[email hidden]> wrote: % Get in your car, start it up, put it in first gear then take your foot off % the clutch, then get yer foot off the brake, what happens? % Now put it in neutral or press the clutch. It lurches and stalls.... -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

On 08 Aug 2000 14:12:24 +0200 Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote: % Is it so difficult to understand that in every racing game to date % (AFAIK) you can stop the car in any gear to a standstill and it % doesn't stall. Stalls haven't been implemented. WSC will be the first % stallable sim. However, in almost all games (err sims), the car comes to a complete stop and stays stopped.... Try getting the Brabham rolling again in GPL after doing that.... You almost have to put the clutch back in and rev that beast to get rolling again.... -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

In article <X%Qj5.26722$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Even when set to manual geering, my car coasts forward under its own > acceleration when in gears 1-6 after I've braked to a complete halt, just as > an automatic car would. > Is this unique to F1 cars, or is it my steering wheel setup? In reality the engine would die for you if you don't use a clutch. That is from standing still of course but If you letting go of the throttle in a little speed the engine probably will push the car forward IMO. Surely they programmed it that way because most people don't use clutch in modern F1 sims. -- Greetings Johan N [email hidden]

Even when set to manual geering, my car coasts forward under its own acceleration when in gears 1-6 after I've braked to a complete halt, just as an automatic car would. Is this unique to F1 cars, or is it my steering wheel setup? I'm using a MS Sidewinder wheel, not force-feedback. It was a nightmare to setup! On that note, can anyone else use the gear buttons on the back of the wheel? I have to use the top row of buttons on the front of the wheel. I have not played many F1 sims, and this one's menu system was like a maze to me. Any tips would be appreciated, Stuurm

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>>Even when set to manual geering, my car coasts forward under its own >>acceleration when in gears 1-6 after I've braked to a complete halt, just as >>an automatic car would. >>Is this unique to F1 cars, or is it my steering wheel setup? >>I'm using a MS Sidewinder wheel, not force-feedback. It was a nightmare to >>setup! > >Hi! I noticed that too, both with keyboard and wheel (Thrustmaster F1 >Racing Wheel). You'll come to a complete stop if you switch back to >neutral. So I guess it's just the way the game is programmed. Dunno if >real F1 cars have this too. > >>I have not played many F1 sims, and this one's menu system was like a maze to >>me. > >Ah, the menu system is almost identical to GP2's. I played that game a >lot, so for me it's really fast, don't have think, just know where >everything is :) You'll get used to it. Btw using the menu with your >keyboard, once you know where everyting is, is a LOT faster than >clicking everything with your mouse. > >Rick

Good to know that other people have noticed it and the prob (or not a prob - a 'quirk' I suppose) is not with my wheel setup. Thnx Rick Stuurm

>Get in your car, start it up, put it in first gear then take your foot off >the clutch, then get yer foot off the brake, what happens? >Now put it in neutral or press the clutch. That's my point. Why doesn't the car stall on me when I brake to a full stop in first gear and take my foot off the accelerator? Is the car perpetually with the clutch in? If so, then it would not move at all. ..and yet it does... Stuurm

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>if u can remember back to suzuka in 98 when schuey stalled on grid , the tv >camera was right at the side of him on the grid when he stalled. and he >rolled onto grid in neutral and waited for the others to line up then as he >engaged first gear the car jerked forward a touch and the engine cut out. >well the clutch failed and stalled the engine because he was holding the car >with footbrake. even with clutch fully engaged it doesnt completely >disconnected the drive because of the design limitations of the dry clutch >and the high revs involved. if they developed a clutch like a normal road >car it would only last a few minutes because of the extreme forces applied , >so they develop a smaller clutch which will just allow engagement of 1 st >gear then the auto box takes over from there. u still wake ??!! >hope that cleared up or confused u even more !!!!

Thnx Nigel, That makes a bit of sense to me. I thought that it must be something to do with the clutch in the actual racing car being simulated...but I dont know enough about F1. Thanks for clearing it up!