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Thanks to all who have put in their 2 cents concerning GP3. I have decided to pass on the purchase of GP3 and wait for WSC. I consider myself perhaps a little too sim-centric to purchase a 'game' that may not simulate the driving experience. Just too many posts about sticking like glue, riding on rails, canned spins etc. Please don't defend GP3 as I have no interest in arguing the point I simply want to thank all those who put the energy into their reviews so we can make decisions a little more intelligently. Larry

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> > Thanks to all who have put in their 2 cents concerning GP3. I have > decided to pass on the purchase of GP3 and wait for WSC. I consider > myself perhaps a little too sim-centric to purchase a 'game' that may > not simulate the driving experience. Just too many posts about sticking > like glue, riding on rails, canned spins etc. Please don't defend GP3 as > I have no interest in arguing the point I simply want to thank all those > who put the energy into their reviews so we can make decisions a little > more intelligently. > > Larry

You're very wise not to buy it in your case. It is indeed an arcade game, a very good one but still in essence an arcade racer. Cheers Gerry

Yoshi Minami wrote: > > > Oh, please. Would you call e.g. F1RS, MGPRS2 and ICR2 arcade racers? > > Probably not, and the physics model of GP3 is a lot better than theirs. > > If GPL was not exist, they could be said sim. Bar is risen since 2 years > ago. Yepp, simulating old F1 cars, but it sucks if you want modern F1 cars. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Stephen Ferguson wrote: > snip > > brilliant. I also think GPL is brilliant. I agree, but also I'm wondering when we have to have a disclaimer in every post stating that fact, to make sure we're not suspected of being arcade fans... ;^P -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> > >GP3 is f*cking awesome!! > >give it a chance!! > > I gotta agree with Rik here. The cars feel like they're "on rails" and "spin > without warning" because that's how highly aerodynamic cars work! Besides, > it's a hell of a lot of fun, this coming from a GPL lover!

Just driving this thing through the chicanes and fast corners at Hungary gives me goose bumps. It's actually the first "modern" (GPL disclaimer) that makes me almost believe I'm driving an F1 car... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

errrrrr Jan that's kinda the essence of motor sports there buddy, I don't think you can criticise the game for it. I believe Hakkinen, Schumacher et al will be using pretty much those tactics come Sunday. Regards Mike On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:01:52 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: Winning is just a matter of blatting the car around >the track seconds faster than the AI, meanwhile dodging the slower ones. The >weather is an interesting modifier, but if you took in the forecast and keep >your head you won't be threatened.

FYI, I played it for six hours (just to make sure I didn't like it <g>), not including the two hours it took me to configure it correctly. I immediatly turned all aids off, as to assertain whether in this version it was actually possible to control the car without them. I think I gave it fair shot to impress me, instead, it managed to show me everything I'd grown tired of in GP2 plus some brand new shortcomings. Add a driving model / AI level that isn't even remotely challenging - only thing that thwarts progress is the seemingly arbitrary rear-breakaway point - and the balance becomes very negative indeed. PC Gamer mentions "easy for the beginner to get into yet challenging for the expert"... I say that's the biggest lie in print so far this year (and I'm not even an *expert* simracer). I disagree with the race simulation comment too. If there is such a thing in GP3, it's very basic. Winning is just a matter of blatting the car around the track seconds faster than the AI, meanwhile dodging the slower ones. The weather is an interesting modifier, but if you took in the forecast and keep your head you won't be threatened. I won't say the game is not worth having for some, but it's not the "must buy", "genre breaking" effort some would have you believe. Bottom line: if you can still stomach the thought of driving GP2, you might be ok with GP3, but only if you've got the right hardware (i.e. 3rd generation 3D card) and accept it won't get a workout. Jan. =--- Toni Lassila wrote...

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> <snip> > Just to make a point: most people commenting negatively on GP3 > have played the warez version for half an hour, propably with > aids turned on. I've read nearly as many crap reviews saying > how bad it is as good, articulate reviews that state it's an > OK Formula One _race_ simulation (not physics simulation like > GPL).

Gerry Aitken wrote: > snip > > You're very wise not to buy it in your case. It is indeed an arcade > game, a very good one but still in essence an arcade racer. Oh, please. Would you call e.g. F1RS, MGPRS2 and ICR2 arcade racers? Probably not, and the physics model of GP3 is a lot better than theirs. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Yeah, right. ;-) Jan. =--- Ronald Stoehr wrote... > <snip> > Oh, please. Would you call e.g. F1RS, MGPRS2 and ICR2 > arcade racers? -Probably not, and the physics model > of GP3 is a lot better than theirs.

>GP3 is f*cking awesome!! >give it a chance!! I gotta agree with Rik here. The cars feel like they're "on rails" and "spin without warning" because that's how highly aerodynamic cars work! Besides, it's a hell of a lot of fun, this coming from a GPL lover! ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com

thats impression i got from most other f1 games, no car feel, on rails, canned spins, but gp3 is first game, that feels, like gpl, that you are in control of a beast heres a test...theres a new version of silverstone about with high hills, try and launch the car from the hill (you will have to go in reverse around the track) and see if *anything* is canned...i tried it, it isnt..it destroyed the car, but i got air ! gp3 is a *great* game if its set up correct "Dan Belcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >GP3 is f*cking awesome!! > >give it a chance!! > > I gotta agree with Rik here. The cars feel like they're "on rails" and"spin > without warning" because that's how highly aerodynamic cars work!Besides, > it's a hell of a lot of fun, this coming from a GPL lover! > > ----------------------------------------- > Dan Belcher > Team Racing Unlimited > http://simcrash.00game.com

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> On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:39:22 +0100, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > still in essence an arcade racer > > Baloney. Drive a little closer to the limit and you'll see it's not > arcade at all. It's not GPL -- what is? -- but a lot of the same > feelings are there, just coming a whole lot quicker...

Agreed. In GP3, with no driving aids switched on, driving Monaco on the hairy edge scares the hell out of me, puts butterflies in my stomach, and also makes me grin from ear to ear. Throw in a monsoon downpour and I nearly wear myself out from the concentration and throttle control required. By the way, I'm a fair to middling sim driver, but I can't agree with the HyperSim guy's comments about GP3 being unpredictable. I find GP3 to be every bit as predictable as GPL for when things are about to go wrong (things just happen faster, as you said, so maybe Cook's reflexes just aren't what they used to be - grin). I can also modulate the throttle during furious starts in the rain, catch a drift etc. I think it's brilliant. I also think GPL is brilliant. Stephen

GP3 is fucking awesome!! give it a chance!! Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks to all who have put in their 2 cents concerning GP3. I have > decided to pass on the purchase of GP3 and wait for WSC. I consider > myself perhaps a little too sim-centric to purchase a 'game' that may > not simulate the driving experience. Just too many posts about sticking > like glue, riding on rails, canned spins etc. Please don't defend GP3 as > I have no interest in arguing the point I simply want to thank all those > who put the energy into their reviews so we can make decisions a little > more intelligently. > > Larry

[email hidden] (Larry Hawes) wrote: > Thanks to all who have put in their 2 cents concerning GP3 I think it's a huge disappointment, but I still think it's worth taking a look at as it's probably the 2nd best sim(?) around at the moment. My problems are (1) I didn't actually like GP2 much, ICR2 felt like a better sim of a real vehicle to me and (2) I don't have enough gaming time to "waste" it. If I fire up GP3 I feel I'm wasting time that would be better spent at the Ring or Solitude. My loss, I'm sure, but I'll live with it :-) Andrew McP

Let me guess. Your favorite sim is............................GPL. David G Fisher "Larry Hawes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks to all who have put in their 2 cents concerning GP3. I have > decided to pass on the purchase of GP3 and wait for WSC. I consider > myself perhaps a little too sim-centric to purchase a 'game' that may > not simulate the driving experience. Just too many posts about sticking > like glue, riding on rails, canned spins etc. Please don't defend GP3 as > I have no interest in arguing the point I simply want to thank all those > who put the energy into their reviews so we can make decisions a little > more intelligently. > > Larry

> Oh, please. Would you call e.g. F1RS, MGPRS2 and ICR2 arcade racers? > Probably not, and the physics model of GP3 is a lot better than theirs. If GPL was not exist, they could be said sim. Bar is risen since 2 years ago. Y.Minami

On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:39:22 +0100, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote: > still in essence an arcade racer Baloney. Drive a little closer to the limit and you'll see it's not arcade at all. It's not GPL -- what is? -- but a lot of the same feelings are there, just coming a whole lot quicker...

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> > Thanks to all who have put in their 2 cents concerning GP3. I have > decided to pass on the purchase of GP3 and wait for WSC. I consider > myself perhaps a little too sim-centric to purchase a 'game' that may > not simulate the driving experience. Just too many posts about sticking > like glue, riding on rails, canned spins etc. Please don't defend GP3 as > I have no interest in arguing the point I simply want to thank all those > who put the energy into their reviews so we can make decisions a little > more intelligently. > > Larry

Your loss then. I will not go into defending GP3, but I wanted to say this story shows that people who love to be negative in order to get attention can indeed affect the decisions of the not so strong minded. Don't worry, it sadly happens in real life politics as well. -Gregor P.S.: I'm off to do some long powerslides around the wet Silverstone.

Totally agree with them too! Reconsider your decision not to buy GP3, it really is the best modern F1 sim around at the moment. It looks (too) easy but please try to go on the limits: You'll notice it's good. Yesterday I "did" ungaroring and suddenly lost it while going too wide (concentration loss) It scared the hell out of me because of the suddeness. IMO there's no "canned" routines whatsoever in GP3. You certainly can catch spins (if your in time that is). BTW. I really suck at Hungary, could somebody send me a decent setup for this track? The AI is much too fast for me in the twisty (3rd gear) section. Somehow I have to get off the throttle in order not to go too wide. Jan (a GPL lover too, really love the new solitude track!!) Dan Belcher wrote:

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> >GP3 is f*cking awesome!! > >give it a chance!! > > I gotta agree with Rik here. The cars feel like they're "on rails" and "spin > without warning" because that's how highly aerodynamic cars work! Besides, > it's a hell of a lot of fun, this coming from a GPL lover! > > ----------------------------------------- > Dan Belcher > Team Racing Unlimited > http://simcrash.00game.com

On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:39:22 +0100, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote: >You're very wise not to buy it in your case. It is indeed an arcade >game, a very good one but still in essence an arcade racer. No it's not.

On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:01:13 GMT, Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote: >not simulate the driving experience. Just too many posts about sticking >like glue, riding on rails, canned spins etc. Please don't defend GP3 as >I have no interest in arguing the point I simply want to thank all those >who put the energy into their reviews so we can make decisions a little >more intelligently. Just to make a point: most people commenting negatively on GP3 have played the warez version for half an hour, propably with aids turned on. I've read nearly as many crap reviews saying how bad it is as good, articulate reviews that state it's an OK Formula One _race_ simulation (not physics simulation like GPL).

All I have to say is that GP3 ran like a dog on my old PC with a Voodoo2. I took the plunge and sunk my savings into an 800 Thuderbird and a Geforce2; and I feel it was worth every cent. This game is worth having just to experience the wet weather treatment; adds a whole new dimension to a race weekend. And yes I love GPL too; but GP3 is just so much fun. Hugh Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks to all who have put in their 2 cents concerning GP3. I have > decided to pass on the purchase of GP3 and wait for WSC. I consider > myself perhaps a little too sim-centric to purchase a 'game' that may > not simulate the driving experience. Just too many posts about sticking > like glue, riding on rails, canned spins etc. Please don't defend GP3 as > I have no interest in arguing the point I simply want to thank all those > who put the energy into their reviews so we can make decisions a little > more intelligently. > > Larry

In rec.autos.simulators, boom wrote: > heres a test...theres a new version of silverstone about with high hills, > try and launch the car from the hill (you will have to go in reverse around > the track) and see if *anything* is canned...i tried it, it isnt..it > destroyed the car, but i got air ! Where can I find this track? -- Andrew Gillett http://argnet.fatal-design.com/ ICQ: See homepage If the baby won't drink raw milk, boil it.

"Jan Hovius" <[email hidden]> wrote > Totally agree with them too! Reconsider your decision not to buy GP3, itreally > is the best modern F1 sim around at the moment. That still doesn't mean it's good or worth the price of it. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Gp3 only seems like you are racing on rails if you use the ster help.. try turning all driving assists off and you'll see you have a superb and most realistic simulation to date.. Hope you at least give it a try before taking a decision Just one more opinion. Magno Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> escreveu nas not�cias de mensagem:[email hidden]...

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> > > Larry Hawes wrote: > > > > Thanks to all who have put in their 2 cents concerning GP3. I have > > decided to pass on the purchase of GP3 and wait for WSC. I consider > > myself perhaps a little too sim-centric to purchase a 'game' that may > > not simulate the driving experience. Just too many posts about sticking > > like glue, riding on rails, canned spins etc. Please don't defend GP3 as > > I have no interest in arguing the point I simply want to thank all those > > who put the energy into their reviews so we can make decisions a little > > more intelligently. > > > > Larry > > You're very wise not to buy it in your case. It is indeed an arcade > game, a very good one but still in essence an arcade racer. > > Cheers > > Gerry

Hehehe, it's surely the goal of every racer, I don't know if it's the essence of motorsport. Maybe I should have mentioned it takes no discernable effort to reach that status, which is not even remotely the essense of motorracing. If you happen to be seconds faster than everybody else in a competitive series, it means you outprepared the hell out of everybody else (like McLaren and Williams did for a couple of years), not that you reduced wing and put taller gears in. Jan. =--- Mike Blackmore wrote...

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> errrrrr Jan that's kinda the essence of motor sports > there buddy, I don't think you can criticise the game > for it. > > I believe Hakkinen, Schumacher et al will be using > pretty much those tactics come Sunday. > > Regards Mike

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> > "The Black Cat =^..^=" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:39:22 +0100, Gerry Aitken > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > still in essence an arcade racer > > > > Baloney. Drive a little closer to the limit and you'll see it's not > > arcade at all. It's not GPL -- what is? -- but a lot of the same > > feelings are there, just coming a whole lot quicker... > > Agreed. In GP3, with no driving aids switched on, driving Monaco on the > hairy edge scares the hell out of me, puts butterflies in my stomach, and > also makes me grin from ear to ear. Throw in a monsoon downpour and I > nearly wear myself out from the concentration and throttle control required. > > By the way, I'm a fair to middling sim driver, but I can't agree with the > HyperSim guy's comments about GP3 being unpredictable. I find GP3 to be > every bit as predictable as GPL for when things are about to go wrong > (things just happen faster, as you said, so maybe Cook's reflexes just > aren't what they used to be - grin). I can also modulate the throttle > during furious starts in the rain, catch a drift etc. I think it's > brilliant. I also think GPL is brilliant. > > Stephen

This describes my experience almost spot on! This is one of the few sims where weight transfer really is an issue. Try Interlagos put the differential to low and then go around the right-left slow corner combination (I do not know the name). You'll go from oversteer with trailing throttle, to severe understeer when you counter it, and again to oversteer when pushing further, the front and rear tires interchangibly begging for your mercy! All the time, you can feel completely in control. Oh, and a note to all who feel that GP3 lacks feel. I believe that you cannot experience any sim if you have the speed sensitivity enabled. Disable that, put your steering lock to 10 degrees or lower (more only for Monaco), and drive. I can assure you that any on-rails feel will disappear if you are driving on the limit with such a setup, although you will probably need to adjust the setup of the car as well. -Gregor

On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:01:13 GMT, Larry Hawes <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Thanks to all who have put in their 2 cents concerning GP3. I have >decided to pass on the purchase of GP3 and wait for WSC. I consider >myself perhaps a little too sim-centric to purchase a 'game' that may >not simulate the driving experience. Just too many posts about sticking >like glue, riding on rails, canned spins etc. Please don't defend GP3 as >I have no interest in arguing the point I simply want to thank all those >who put the energy into their reviews so we can make decisions a little >more intelligently. > >Larry

Well I wouldnt dismiss it totaly while its not GPL it still fun to play, but its not a F1 Sim it 's just a F1 game really and very good F1 game. A F1 sim would have 107% rule Proper black flag rules Not being able to get 2 wheels on the grass in corners and continue straight at full thr. Surviable crashes at over 200mph with very little damage. Diffrent car modles and physic models based on the proper cars in the 98 season. All this can be fixed with some of the 3rd party hacks and editors but it should have been done bt GC/Hasbro. Hotdog

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:01:52 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>FYI, > >I played it for six hours (just to make sure I didn't like it <g>), not >including the two hours it took me to configure it correctly. I immediatly >turned all aids off, as to assertain whether in this version it was actually >possible to control the car without them. >

TWO HOURS to configure GP3 ???? geezuz, its as well you haven't anything difficult to do ......

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>I think I gave it fair shot to impress me, instead, it managed to show me >everything I'd grown tired of in GP2 plus some brand new shortcomings. Add a >driving model / AI level that isn't even remotely challenging - only thing >that thwarts progress is the seemingly arbitrary rear-breakaway point - and >the balance becomes very negative indeed. PC Gamer mentions "easy for the >beginner to get into yet challenging for the expert"... I say that's the >biggest lie in print so far this year (and I'm not even an *expert* >simracer). >

arbitrary rear breakaway point ?? you obviously have no idea how to change your setup to counteract this. >I disagree with the race simulation comment too. If there is such a thing in >GP3, it's very basic. Winning is just a matter of blatting the car around >the track seconds faster than the AI, meanwhile dodging the slower ones. The >weather is an interesting modifier, but if you took in the forecast and keep >your head you won't be threatened. >I gather your soooo good that you are able to beat ALL the AI cars in ALL the tracks at ACE mode with all aids off ?? Yeah, GP3 is real easy ...... >I won't say the game is not worth having for some, but it's not the "must >buy", "genre breaking" effort some would have you believe. >OK then - don't say it. >Bottom line: if you can still stomach the thought of driving GP2, you might >be ok with GP3, but only if you've got the right hardware (i.e. 3rd >generation 3D card) and accept it won't get a workout. > >Jan. Bottom line is that a good game/sim like GP3 is wasted on guys like you !! Cheers.....Ken

On 12 Aug 2000 15:43:35 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Ken >Barrow) writes: > >>Bottom line is that a good game/sim like GP3 is wasted on guys like >>you !! >> >>Cheers.....Ken > >But you didn't give ANY concrete suggestions to help. Your comments were just >being antagonistic against his. > >Eldred

I didn't give any help because he wasn't looking for any help. He just came on to this newsgroup to complain, like so many other wingeing shitheads..... Or maybe you read something different in his post - - - - - or maybe you didn't even read his post at all ??? Cheers.....Ken

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Ken Barrow) writes: >Bottom line is that a good game/sim like GP3 is wasted on guys like >you !! > >Cheers.....Ken But you didn't give ANY concrete suggestions to help. Your comments were just being antagonistic against his. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

FYI it's taken me 2 years to configure gpl...... -- Tim, [email hidden]|[email hidden] http://legends.sports-gaming.com/forums.shtml FREE forums for your league... http://legends.sports-gaming.com Sim racing website loosely based on gpl... Ken Barrow <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:01:52 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >FYI, > > > >I played it for six hours (just to make sure I didn't like it <g>), not > >including the two hours it took me to configure it correctly. I immediatly > >turned all aids off, as to assertain whether in this version it was actually > >possible to control the car without them. > > > TWO HOURS to configure GP3 ???? > geezuz, its as well you haven't anything difficult to do ...... > > >I think I gave it fair shot to impress me, instead, it managed to show me > >everything I'd grown tired of in GP2 plus some brand new shortcomings. Add a > >driving model / AI level that isn't even remotely challenging - only thing > >that thwarts progress is the seemingly arbitrary rear-breakaway point - and > >the balance becomes very negative indeed. PC Gamer mentions "easy for the > >beginner to get into yet challenging for the expert"... I say that's the > >biggest lie in print so far this year (and I'm not even an *expert* > >simracer). > > > arbitrary rear breakaway point ?? you obviously have no idea how to > change your setup to counteract this. > > >I disagree with the race simulation comment too. If there is such a thing in > >GP3, it's very basic. Winning is just a matter of blatting the car around > >the track seconds faster than the AI, meanwhile dodging the slower ones. The > >weather is an interesting modifier, but if you took in the forecast and keep > >your head you won't be threatened. > > > I gather your soooo good that you are able to beat ALL the AI cars in > ALL the tracks at ACE mode with all aids off ?? > Yeah, GP3 is real easy ...... > > >I won't say the game is not worth having for some, but it's not the "must > >buy", "genre breaking" effort some would have you believe. > > > OK then - don't say it. > > >Bottom line: if you can still stomach the thought of driving GP2, you might > >be ok with GP3, but only if you've got the right hardware (i.e. 3rd > >generation 3D card) and accept it won't get a workout. > > > >Jan. > > Bottom line is that a good game/sim like GP3 is wasted on guys like > you !! > > Cheers.....Ken > >

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:09:54 GMT, [email hidden] (Ken Barrow) wrote:

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>On 12 Aug 2000 15:43:35 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Ken >>Barrow) writes: >> >>>Bottom line is that a good game/sim like GP3 is wasted on guys like >>>you !! >>> >>>Cheers.....Ken >> >>But you didn't give ANY concrete suggestions to help. Your comments were just >>being antagonistic against his. >> >>Eldred > >I didn't give any help because he wasn't looking for any help. He >just came on to this newsgroup to complain, like so many other >wingeing shitheads..... > >Or maybe you read something different in his post - - - - - or maybe >you didn't even read his post at all ???

It seems like Cisko has a bad influence on you.. chill it man! Andre > >Cheers.....Ken >

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>On 13 Aug 2000 03:48:15 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >>Of course I read his post. That's what newsgroups are for. I tend to give >>people the benefit of the doubt - something you apparently think is a waste >of >>time, possibly because you're too polarized against his opinion. >> >>>Cheers.....Ken > >No, Its just that I find wingeing idiots very hard to tolerate !! > >>Cheers yourSELF. >> >>Eldred > >Oh whatever - dry your eyes ! > >Cheers.....Ken >

Dry my eyes? Sure, from laughing at you too much. Like I said, I usually give people the benefit of the doubt. So, I don't react as stongly as you seem to. If you want to jump on anything/everything someone says, then so be it. Knock yourself out... Tell you what - you win, I give up. You can have the last word. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 13 Aug 2000 03:48:15 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Of course I read his post. That's what newsgroups are for. I tend to give >people the benefit of the doubt - something you apparently think is a waste of >time, possibly because you're too polarized against his opinion. > >>Cheers.....Ken No, Its just that I find wingeing idiots very hard to tolerate !! >Cheers yourSELF. > >Eldred Oh whatever - dry your eyes ! Cheers.....Ken

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>On 12 Aug 2000 15:43:35 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >(Ken >>Barrow) writes: >> >>>Bottom line is that a good game/sim like GP3 is wasted on guys like >>>you !! >>> >>>Cheers.....Ken >> >>But you didn't give ANY concrete suggestions to help. Your comments were >just >>being antagonistic against his. >> >>Eldred > >I didn't give any help because he wasn't looking for any help. He >just came on to this newsgroup to complain, like so many other >wingeing shitheads..... > >Or maybe you read something different in his post - - - - - or maybe >you didn't even read his post at all ???

Of course I read his post. That's what newsgroups are for. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt - something you apparently think is a waste of time, possibly because you're too polarized against his opinion. > >Cheers.....KenCheers yourSELF. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ken Barrow wrote... > TWO HOURS to configure GP3 ???? > geezuz, its as well you haven't anything difficult > to do ...... Thanks for that. FYI, I do complicated stuff from time... you try designing a control circuit for Class D electric machinery, for example. The difference being this endeavour is documented. There are standards which outline what the circuit must conform to to get approved and each component in the circuit comes with full documentation. The GP3 readme was less than helpfull as to which set of "switches" were appropriate for a given 3D card, merely stating they'd gotten it to work, but not _HOW_ they got it to work. Which leaves the user with trial and error. It took me about two hours of fiddling untill I was happy with the resolution/framerate/detail/processor occupancy balance. And, believe me, I do sacrifice "eye candy" for playability. > ><snip> > arbitrary rear breakaway point ?? You obviously have > no idea how to change your setup to counteract this. You can do things to curb the tendency, sure, but ultimately you need some final oversteer to go fast. It's no use noodling up the rear end to the extend it slows the car down. The trouble with GP3 (JLGP2) is that it sometimes lets you lean on the car to a certain extent in a certain situation and the next lap by you're down the boondocks doing the same thing. Now, you can (probably successfully) argue you, the driver, did something different, but the point is you can't detect that. Hence "seemingly arbitrary" breakaway point. > ><snip> > I gather your soooo good that you are able to beat ALL > the AI cars in ALL the tracks at ACE mode with all aids > off ?? > Yeah, GP3 is real easy ...... Ehm, yes, with minimum practise actually (at the 5 tracks I tried at anyway). Which is partly to GP3's credit, as I couldn't do it in GP2 without steering help. Maybe it's the FF, I don't know. Like I said, I'm no big deal at GPL (and I wasn't at GP2 for that matter, to be anywhere near competitive you needed to be able to lap the Ace AI, twice ;-)), I don't see why any reasonably competent simracer should have any problem with GP3. Especially if he/she kept his/her Crammond sim skills up using Gp2. > ><snip> > OK then - don't say it. Ooooh... what a come-back!! -You're the sharpest stick in your local bush, I'm sure. > ><snip> > Bottom line is that a good game/sim like GP3 is > wasted on guys like you !! Don't insult the others who don't like GP3. ;-) > Cheers.....Ken Cheers yourself! Jan. =---