Re: GPL.... Help! Please.

Chris, I seem to remember reading somewhere that GPL only supports Voodoo video cards. Dai "Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8mrstk$pst$[email hidden]...

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> I'm visiting a friend who has a new(ish) computer and he's having > problems getting it set up properly for running GPL. Here's his system > specs: > > HP Pavilion 9something computer > P-III-600 I think. It is a P-III though. > Riva Nvidia/TNT2 Vanta AGP video card. > 128 Meg Memory. > > It's really strange. We instlled and ran Road Atlanta last night. At > 800x600 resolution in training mode with no corner marshalls or any > other cars, he was getting about 30-32 fps running in D3D. I thought > it might be the Microsoft FF wheel, but I disabled the FF in the > core.ini file and didn't notice much of any difference. Maybe 1 fps at > most. My P-II-300 and V3-3000 combo will run this track at 1024x768 > pegged almost the whole time at 36 fps with the same settings running > in Glide. These results are typical for all the tracks, not just RA. > > My suspicions lie with the video card. The mirrors don't work at all > and he's getting intermitent lock-ups within GPL as well. I tried to > get the latest drivers from the Nvidia site, but they wouldn't work. > It's really frustrating because I *KNOW* his computer is much faster > than mine so it should run GPL better than mine. Here's a couple of > thoughts: > > 1. I know the Microsoft FF wheel gives a large frame rate hit. Does it > still cause the hit even when the FF is disabled in the core.ini? > > 2. Where do I go to get the latest drivers for the video card? The > Nvidia drivers from the Nvidia website won't work. The computer won't > finish booting up. > > 3. I had him kill all the background applications I could find and it > helped the lock-up issue some, but didn't cure it. If it were my > computer I'd format and reinstall Win98 because I really HATE all the > crap HP filled the computer with. That's not too much of an option, > though, because my friend doesn't want to mess with it and couldn't do > it himself. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > -Chris- > > **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

I'm visiting a friend who has a new(ish) computer and he's having problems getting it set up properly for running GPL. Here's his system specs: HP Pavilion 9something computer P-III-600 I think. It is a P-III though. Riva Nvidia/TNT2 Vanta AGP video card. 128 Meg Memory. It's really strange. We instlled and ran Road Atlanta last night. At 800x600 resolution in training mode with no corner marshalls or any other cars, he was getting about 30-32 fps running in D3D. I thought it might be the Microsoft FF wheel, but I disabled the FF in the core.ini file and didn't notice much of any difference. Maybe 1 fps at most. My P-II-300 and V3-3000 combo will run this track at 1024x768 pegged almost the whole time at 36 fps with the same settings running in Glide. These results are typical for all the tracks, not just RA. My suspicions lie with the video card. The mirrors don't work at all and he's getting intermitent lock-ups within GPL as well. I tried to get the latest drivers from the Nvidia site, but they wouldn't work. It's really frustrating because I *KNOW* his computer is much faster than mine so it should run GPL better than mine. Here's a couple of thoughts: 1. I know the Microsoft FF wheel gives a large frame rate hit. Does it still cause the hit even when the FF is disabled in the core.ini? 2. Where do I go to get the latest drivers for the video card? The Nvidia drivers from the Nvidia website won't work. The computer won't finish booting up. 3. I had him kill all the background applications I could find and it helped the lock-up issue some, but didn't cure it. If it were my computer I'd format and reinstall Win98 because I really HATE all the crap HP filled the computer with. That's not too much of an option, though, because my friend doesn't want to mess with it and couldn't do it himself. Any help would be appreciated. -Chris- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Hi Chris, I've no idea why it locks up, but did you check the refresh rate of the adapter when using D3D? If it is 65 Hz and VSYNC is used, the fps is never more then 32. Remco Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I'm visiting a friend who has a new(ish) computer and he's having >problems getting it set up properly for running GPL. Here's his system >specs: > >HP Pavilion 9something computer >P-III-600 I think. It is a P-III though. >Riva Nvidia/TNT2 Vanta AGP video card. >128 Meg Memory. > >It's really strange. We instlled and ran Road Atlanta last night. At >800x600 resolution in training mode with no corner marshalls or any >other cars, he was getting about 30-32 fps running in D3D. I thought >it might be the Microsoft FF wheel, but I disabled the FF in the >core.ini file and didn't notice much of any difference. Maybe 1 fps at >most. My P-II-300 and V3-3000 combo will run this track at 1024x768 >pegged almost the whole time at 36 fps with the same settings running >in Glide. These results are typical for all the tracks, not just RA. > >My suspicions lie with the video card. The mirrors don't work at all >and he's getting intermitent lock-ups within GPL as well. I tried to >get the latest drivers from the Nvidia site, but they wouldn't work. >It's really frustrating because I *KNOW* his computer is much faster >than mine so it should run GPL better than mine. Here's a couple of >thoughts: > >1. I know the Microsoft FF wheel gives a large frame rate hit. Does it >still cause the hit even when the FF is disabled in the core.ini? > >2. Where do I go to get the latest drivers for the video card? The >Nvidia drivers from the Nvidia website won't work. The computer won't >finish booting up. > >3. I had him kill all the background applications I could find and it >helped the lock-up issue some, but didn't cure it. If it were my >computer I'd format and reinstall Win98 because I really HATE all the >crap HP filled the computer with. That's not too much of an option, >though, because my friend doesn't want to mess with it and couldn't do >it himself.

Chris, I had a similar problem using the same chipset. I get 36fps on a training session now on a P2 333 using the D3D patch. First, you need to uninstall all drivers for the card and also uninstall the TNT properties programs using their uninstaller. After that setup the PC to use a standard VGA driver and reboot. When the PC has rebooted you can run the NVidia drivers setup program. This must be done after the original drivers *AND* property pages have been removed otherwise the PC will lock up. Hope this helps :) -- Ian Parker <email invalid due to spam> Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8mrstk$pst$[email hidden]... > I'm visiting a friend who has a new(ish) computer and he's having > problems getting it set up properly for running GPL.

No. The Detonator drivers are available but the card has Riva printed on it so we tried installing the Riva drivers. We're going to retry the drivers we've got tonight and try the Detonator 2 drivers if that doesn't work. Thanks for the help. > I *think* it said something along the lines of, This card is notsupported > by these drivers and you must use at your own risk. > I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what the wording was. > Out of interest, I upgraded my OS to winME on that PC and itautomatically > installed the Nvidia drivers not the ones for my card. > Is it the detonator 2 drivers you are trying to use ? They are what Iused.

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> > -- > Ian Parker > <email invalid due to spam> > > Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8mu6nm$fak$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I probably did something in the wrong order the first time, but did

you > > get a windows warning message that said "This driver wasn't made for > > this video card" when you chose and installed the newer NVIDIAdrivers?

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> > > > Thanks for the help. We'll try it out tonight. > > > > -Chris- > > > > **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, I had a similar problem using the same chipset. > > > I get 36fps on a training session now on a P2 333 using the D3D

patch.

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> > > > > > First, you need to uninstall all drivers for the card and also > > uninstall the > > > TNT properties programs using their uninstaller. > > > After that setup the PC to use a standard VGA driver and reboot. > > > When the PC has rebooted you can run the NVidia drivers setup > > program. This > > > must be done after the original drivers *AND* property pages have

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> > > removed otherwise the PC will lock up. > > > > > > Hope this helps :) > > > > > > -- > > > Ian Parker > > > <email invalid due to spam> > > > > > > Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:8mrstk$pst$[email hidden]... > > > > I'm visiting a friend who has a new(ish) computer and he's

having

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> > > > problems getting it set up properly for running GPL. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

-- -Chris- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Remco... Now THERE'S a name I haven't seen around in a while! :) I doubt that's it since I've seen 36 at various times at 640x480. -Chris- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes**

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> > > Hi Chris, > > I've no idea why it locks up, but did you check the > refresh rate of the adapter when using D3D? If > it is 65 Hz and VSYNC is used, the fps is never more > then 32. > > Remco > > Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I'm visiting a friend who has a new(ish) computer and he's having > >problems getting it set up properly for running GPL. Here's his

system

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> >specs: > > > >HP Pavilion 9something computer > >P-III-600 I think. It is a P-III though. > >Riva Nvidia/TNT2 Vanta AGP video card. > >128 Meg Memory. > > > >It's really strange. We instlled and ran Road Atlanta last night.

At > >800x600 resolution in training mode with no corner marshalls or any > >other cars, he was getting about 30-32 fps running in D3D. I thought > >it might be the Microsoft FF wheel, but I disabled the FF in the > >core.ini file and didn't notice much of any difference. Maybe 1 fpsat

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> >most. My P-II-300 and V3-3000 combo will run this track at 1024x768 > >pegged almost the whole time at 36 fps with the same settings running > >in Glide. These results are typical for all the tracks, not just RA. > > > >My suspicions lie with the video card. The mirrors don't work at all > >and he's getting intermitent lock-ups within GPL as well. I tried to > >get the latest drivers from the Nvidia site, but they wouldn't work. > >It's really frustrating because I *KNOW* his computer is much faster > >than mine so it should run GPL better than mine. Here's a couple of > >thoughts: > > > >1. I know the Microsoft FF wheel gives a large frame rate hit. Does

it > >still cause the hit even when the FF is disabled in the core.ini? > > > >2. Where do I go to get the latest drivers for the video card? The > >Nvidia drivers from the Nvidia website won't work. The computerwon't

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> >finish booting up. > > > >3. I had him kill all the background applications I could find and it > >helped the lock-up issue some, but didn't cure it. If it were my > >computer I'd format and reinstall Win98 because I really HATE all the > >crap HP filled the computer with. That's not too much of an option, > >though, because my friend doesn't want to mess with it and couldn't

do > >it himself. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I probably did something in the wrong order the first time, but did you get a windows warning message that said "This driver wasn't made for this video card" when you chose and installed the newer NVIDIA drivers? Thanks for the help. We'll try it out tonight. -Chris- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** > Chris, I had a similar problem using the same chipset. > I get 36fps on a training session now on a P2 333 using the D3D patch. > > First, you need to uninstall all drivers for the card and alsouninstall the > TNT properties programs using their uninstaller. > After that setup the PC to use a standard VGA driver and reboot. > When the PC has rebooted you can run the NVidia drivers setupprogram. This

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> must be done after the original drivers *AND* property pages have been > removed otherwise the PC will lock up. > > Hope this helps :) > > -- > Ian Parker > <email invalid due to spam> > > Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8mrstk$pst$[email hidden]... > > I'm visiting a friend who has a new(ish) computer and he's having > > problems getting it set up properly for running GPL. > >

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On Thu 10 Aug 2000 12:28:42am, Dai wrote: >Chris, > >I seem to remember reading somewhere that GPL only supports Voodoo >video cards.<snip> Until recently, GPL only ran on Voodoo or Rendition cards. But Papy have *finally* got around to releasing a D3D patch. Should have been there in 1998, of course, but still... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.17) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh) The GPL Scrapyard - mangled wrecks from http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:28:42 -0700, "Dai" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I seem to remember reading somewhere that GPL only supports Voodoo video >cards. There is now a beta Direct3D rasterizer available for download at www.papy.com It's unsupported but works fine. One of the developers wrote it so he could enjoy his TNT card with GPL... (I'll take enlightened self-interest over altruism any day! <g>) Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

The only time I ever got an error or windows message telling me they were wrong was when installing a Nvidia driver was when I tried to install the PCI drivers for a AGP card, and they did not work . . . DOH! I would reinstall the drivers and make sure I had the right ones. SLG Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >I probably did something in the wrong order the first time, but did you >get a windows warning message that said "This driver wasn't made for >this video card" when you chose and installed the newer NVIDIA drivers? > >Thanks for the help. We'll try it out tonight. > >-Chris- > >**Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** > > > > >> Chris, I had a similar problem using the same chipset. >> I get 36fps on a training session now on a P2 333 using the D3D patch. >> >> First, you need to uninstall all drivers for the card and also >uninstall the >> TNT properties programs using their uninstaller. >> After that setup the PC to use a standard VGA driver and reboot. >> When the PC has rebooted you can run the NVidia drivers setup >program. This >> must be done after the original drivers *AND* property pages have been >> removed otherwise the PC will lock up. >> >> Hope this helps :) >> >> -- >> Ian Parker >> <email invalid due to spam> >> >> Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:8mrstk$pst$[email hidden]... >> > I'm visiting a friend who has a new(ish) computer and he's having >> > problems getting it set up properly for running GPL. >> >> > >-- > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

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I *think* it said something along the lines of, This card is not supported by these drivers and you must use at your own risk. I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what the wording was. Out of interest, I upgraded my OS to winME on that PC and it automatically installed the Nvidia drivers not the ones for my card. Is it the detonator 2 drivers you are trying to use ? They are what I used. -- Ian Parker <email invalid due to spam> Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8mu6nm$fak$[email hidden]... > > > I probably did something in the wrong order the first time, but did you > get a windows warning message that said "This driver wasn't made for > this video card" when you chose and installed the newer NVIDIA drivers? > > Thanks for the help. We'll try it out tonight. > > -Chris- > > **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** > > > > > > Chris, I had a similar problem using the same chipset. > > I get 36fps on a training session now on a P2 333 using the D3D patch. > > > > First, you need to uninstall all drivers for the card and also > uninstall the > > TNT properties programs using their uninstaller. > > After that setup the PC to use a standard VGA driver and reboot. > > When the PC has rebooted you can run the NVidia drivers setup > program. This > > must be done after the original drivers *AND* property pages have been > > removed otherwise the PC will lock up. > > > > Hope this helps :) > > > > -- > > Ian Parker > > <email invalid due to spam> > > > > Chris Cavin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8mrstk$pst$[email hidden]... > > > I'm visiting a friend who has a new(ish) computer and he's having > > > problems getting it set up properly for running GPL. > > > > > > -- > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

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> I *think* it said something along the lines of, This card is not > supported by these drivers and you must use at your own risk. > I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what the wording was. > Out of interest, I upgraded my OS to winME on that PC and it > automatically installed the Nvidia drivers not the ones for my card. > Is it the detonator 2 drivers you are trying to use ? They are what > I used. > > -- > Ian Parker

OK. Got the Detonator 2 drivers and installed them. All is OK after much gnashing of teeth and many reboots. BUT (and this is a big but) GPL doesn't work! All I get is a blank screen and I have to hard-boot the computer to get it to come back. Help! -Chris- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.