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Bump Shifting in WSC?

6 posts by 6 people · 10 Aug 2000 - 15 Aug 2000 23:18 UTC

Pat Dotson 10 Aug 2000#243534
Will we be able (or required) to "bump shift" in WSC? That is the term I've heard for the technique of matching engine revs to the gearbox RPM in order to slip the car into a gear without clutching. There is a real hardware limitation to implementing this technique, but I think it is possible to do in a sim. My idea is that the driver would shift into the desired gear, just like in any other sim, but the gearbox would be stuck in neutral until the revs matched for a certain period of time. I think that would be really great! BTW, does heel-toe technique involve using the clutch? I think it doesn't but I'm not sure. -- Pat Dotson
(unknown) 11 Aug 2000#243338
In article <[email hidden]>, Pat Dotson <[email hidden]> wrote: > BTW, does heel-toe technique involve using the clutch? I think it > doesn't but I'm not sure. Typically (in a road car), yes. As you use half your right foot to apply the brake, you depress the clutch and put the gearbox in neutral. As soon as the gearbox hits neutral you release the clutch, blip the throttle with the other half of your right foot to match revs, then depress the clutch and select the lower gear. Use your whole right foot to accelerate out of the turn ;). I think the technique was also called "double-declutching" in the past - back in the days before synchromesh, I think. Actual racing drivers might not use the clutch - if you match revs you technically don't have to, but I don't really know. HTH, Kendt Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
Hi Pat, From what I've heard WSC will have the option of a realistic gearbox (clutch or rev-match required). Here's a link to a very thorough article detailing everything you'd ever want to know about heel-toe (ball-edge) shifting technique. It's a road car site but applies to racing as well. He uses the clutch but you don't have to. I shift easily between 3-4-5 gears without clutching (rev match). I find it's alot smoother to use the clutch between 1-2-3 gears. http://home.earthlink.net/~rponiarski/shifting.htm regards, Patrick Pat Dotson wrote in message <[email hidden]>...
Quoted text (17 lines)>Will we be able (or required) to "bump shift" in WSC? That is the term >I've heard for the technique of matching engine revs to the gearbox RPM >in order to slip the car into a gear without clutching. > >There is a real hardware limitation to implementing this technique, but >I think it is possible to do in a sim. My idea is that the driver would >shift into the desired gear, just like in any other sim, but the gearbox >would be stuck in neutral until the revs matched for a certain period of >time. > >I think that would be really great! > >BTW, does heel-toe technique involve using the clutch? I think it >doesn't but I'm not sure. > >-- >Pat Dotson
George M. Smiley 11 Aug 2000 03:49 UTC#243388
"Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote: > BTW, does heel-toe technique involve using the clutch? I > think it doesn't but I'm not sure. Not much point in using the HEEL of your right foot to manipulate the accelerator and the TOE of right foot to manipulate the brake if your left foot does nothing. ;-) - George
Ray M 15 Aug 2000 00:45 UTC#241766
Thats way too hard. Try my way. As you let off the gas, put pressure on the shifter then when engine revs drop enough it will slide right in to the next gear. It is easy to miss a shift though until you get the hang of it. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8mvs40$p20$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (26 lines)> In article <[email hidden]>, > Pat Dotson <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > BTW, does heel-toe technique involve using the clutch? I think it > > doesn't but I'm not sure. > > Typically (in a road car), yes. > As you use half your right foot to apply the brake, you depress the > clutch and put the gearbox in neutral. As soon as the gearbox hits > neutral you release the clutch, blip the throttle with the other half > of your right foot to match revs, then depress the clutch and select > the lower gear. Use your whole right foot to accelerate out of the > turn ;). > I think the technique was also called "double-declutching" in the past - > back in the days before synchromesh, I think. > > Actual racing drivers might not use the clutch - if you match revs you > technically don't have to, but I don't really know. > > HTH, > Kendt > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >
Roland Ehnstr?m 15 Aug 2000 23:18 UTC#241314
But Ray, this will only work when changing UP gears. When changing down, you need to dance on those pedals! I've tried some heal-toeing and shifting without using the clutch with my old VW Golf, and not only does it feel great, it sounds great too! Most of the times at least... :)) -- Roland Ray M skrev i meddelandet <6p0m5.83$[email hidden]>... >Thats way too hard. Try my way. As you let off the gas, put pressure on >the shifter then when engine revs drop enough it will slide right in to the >next gear. It is easy to miss a shift though until you get the hang of it. > > ><[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8mvs40$p20$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (28 lines)>> In article <[email hidden]>, >> Pat Dotson <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> > BTW, does heel-toe technique involve using the clutch? I think it >> > doesn't but I'm not sure. >> >> Typically (in a road car), yes. >> As you use half your right foot to apply the brake, you depress the >> clutch and put the gearbox in neutral. As soon as the gearbox hits >> neutral you release the clutch, blip the throttle with the other half >> of your right foot to match revs, then depress the clutch and select >> the lower gear. Use your whole right foot to accelerate out of the >> turn ;). >> I think the technique was also called "double-declutching" in the past - >> back in the days before synchromesh, I think. >> >> Actual racing drivers might not use the clutch - if you match revs you >> technically don't have to, but I don't really know. >> >> HTH, >> Kendt >> >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. >> > >

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