Re: Nascar Heat Demo on V5

Todd Sorensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GQfl5.39694$[email hidden]... > Thanks for the info. I guess I won't be getting a voodoo 5. My V3benchmarks > at 55 at 800x600. > -- > Todd S. What are the rest of your system specs? Thanks, Kyle > "Joe Marques" <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:OY0l5.125017$[email hidden]... > > First, I really like the looks of this one. Excellent FF on my LWFF(neck > > and neck with GPL), great physics on expert mode (although a bit toughto > > spin someone out), and stunning graphics. I'm running 800x600 2xFSAAand > my > > benchmark test is 44 fps. Now that's what I like to see on a PIII > 600e@672.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:06:52 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: >And the crashes are truly spectaculair. I had my headphones on at >maximum volume, and I allmost got a heart attack when I got rammed at >full speed. Watching the replay was also very impressive, it looked >fantastic how the cars behaved during the crashes, very realistic! Am I the only one who is missing flying parts in the crashes? Or did I just miss them? <G> Speaking of heart attacks, I'm regularly close to one if I drive "into" the ghost car parking at the finish line ... :-) JanL

First, I really like the looks of this one. Excellent FF on my LWFF (neck and neck with GPL), great physics on expert mode (although a bit tough to spin someone out), and stunning graphics. I'm running 800x600 2xFSAA and my benchmark test is 44 fps. Now that's what I like to see on a PIII 600e@672. This game is going to impress many GPL fans. It's physics may be second only to GPL (if not equal especially the spins and wall collisions). Racing in the pack hasn't looked or felt so good. It really shows the age of the Papy Nascar engine. Although I expect a lot from N4 I'm not sure how much better Nascar racing can get. -- Joe Marques Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:34:54 GMT, "Joe Marques" <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> wrote:

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>First, I really like the looks of this one. Excellent FF on my LWFF (neck >and neck with GPL), great physics on expert mode (although a bit tough to >spin someone out), and stunning graphics. I'm running 800x600 2xFSAA and my >benchmark test is 44 fps. Now that's what I like to see on a PIII 600e@672. > >This game is going to impress many GPL fans. It's physics may be second >only to GPL (if not equal especially the spins and wall collisions). Racing >in the pack hasn't looked or felt so good. It really shows the age of the >Papy Nascar engine. Although I expect a lot from N4 I'm not sure how much >better Nascar racing can get.

Fully agree with you Joe. Very impressive stuff. I hardly played N3, I couldn't understand what the fun of oval racing was, but after being 'in the pack' in Heat, I think I start to understand why Nascar racing is so populair. Very exciting stuff, cars all around you, bumper to bumper, door to door.. And the crashes are truly spectaculair. I had my headphones on at maximum volume, and I allmost got a heart attack when I got rammed at full speed. Watching the replay was also very impressive, it looked fantastic how the cars behaved during the crashes, very realistic! Hasbro is making a hell of a mistake when they only will sell this game in the US... Andre

10x7 with 2x FSAA 50 fps in the benchmark with HIGH detailed cars. very nice...very nice indeed. Here are the quibbles... watching the replay at Richmond, Everytime we passed the start finish line, the flagman was waving the checkered flag. I went to turn into the infield and hit the magic clear wall....Sound at 16 bit seems a little weak, but one user has already posted that 8bit sounds better... I barely caught Schrader on the last lap! :) One solid thumbs up for this title! "Joe Marques" <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OY0l5.125017$[email hidden]... > First, I really like the looks of this one. Excellent FF on my LWFF (neck >ps, I'm so used to the Papyrus pit tire-spin routine, I almost clubed the car in front of me when my car didn't break loose! : -- dave henrie Free the ICR2 source code!

I'm not convinced the physics are second to anyone... -Larry "Joe Marques" <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OY0l5.125017$[email hidden]... > First, I really like the looks of this one. Excellent FF on my LWFF (neck > and neck with GPL), great physics on expert mode (although a bit tough to > spin someone out), and stunning graphics. I'm running 800x600 2xFSAA andmy > benchmark test is 44 fps. Now that's what I like to see on a PIII600e@672. > > This game is going to impress many GPL fans. It's physics may be second > only to GPL (if not equal especially the spins and wall collisions).Racing

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> in the pack hasn't looked or felt so good. It really shows the age of the > Papy Nascar engine. Although I expect a lot from N4 I'm not sure how much > better Nascar racing can get. > > -- > Joe Marques > > Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. > >

Maybe because it's only a demo? Ed? It's still the new king, parts or no parts :) -Larry "Jan Loebzien" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:06:52 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >And the crashes are truly spectaculair. I had my headphones on at > >maximum volume, and I allmost got a heart attack when I got rammed at > >full speed. Watching the replay was also very impressive, it looked > >fantastic how the cars behaved during the crashes, very realistic! > > Am I the only one who is missing flying parts in the crashes? > Or did I just miss them? <G> > > Speaking of heart attacks, I'm regularly close to one if I drive > "into" the ghost car parking at the finish line ... :-) > > > JanL

Thanks for the info. I guess I won't be getting a voodoo 5. My V3 benchmarks at 55 at 800x600. -- Todd S. "Joe Marques" <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OY0l5.125017$[email hidden]... > First, I really like the looks of this one. Excellent FF on my LWFF (neck > and neck with GPL), great physics on expert mode (although a bit tough to > spin someone out), and stunning graphics. I'm running 800x600 2xFSAA and my > benchmark test is 44 fps. Now that's what I like to see on a PIII 600e@672. > > This game is going to impress many GPL fans. It's physics may be second > only to GPL (if not equal especially the spins and wall collisions). Racing > in the pack hasn't looked or felt so good. It really shows the age of the > Papy Nascar engine. Although I expect a lot from N4 I'm not sure how much > better Nascar racing can get. > > -- > Joe Marques > > Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. > >

Hey Todd I think your comparison of only fps is apples to oranges. I just upgraded from a V3, it is a major upgrade. BTW, what is your cpu? Keep in mind I'm running full detail, large textures (512x512 which V3 can't do) and 2xFSAA which is the most amazing advancement in 3d cards since the 3d card. A V3 at 55fps with lower quality textures and jaggies can't compare on any level to a V5 with large textures and awe-inspiring non-jagged smoothness ;-) at 44 fps. It is worth the upgrade, ask around. -- Joe Marques Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GQfl5.39694$[email hidden]... > Thanks for the info. I guess I won't be getting a voodoo 5. My V3 benchmarks > at 55 at 800x600. > > -- > Todd S. > > "Joe Marques" <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:OY0l5.125017$[email hidden]... > > First, I really like the looks of this one. Excellent FF on my LWFF (neck > > and neck with GPL), great physics on expert mode (although a bit tough to > > spin someone out), and stunning graphics. I'm running 800x600 2xFSAA and > my > > benchmark test is 44 fps. Now that's what I like to see on a PIII > 600e@672. > > > > This game is going to impress many GPL fans. It's physics may be second > > only to GPL (if not equal especially the spins and wall collisions). > Racing > > in the pack hasn't looked or felt so good. It really shows the age of the > > Papy Nascar engine. Although I expect a lot from N4 I'm not sure how much > > better Nascar racing can get. > > > > -- > > Joe Marques > > > > Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. > > > > > >

Rrevved, you can expect 40-45 fps, I think 50 is out of reach (maybe with a PIII 733+). I'm running a 600e@672 with 128 MB ram. I'm getting 44 fps in 800x600, 2xFSAA, high detail cars (looks like large textures)and max detail on everything else. It looks amazing. Not quite 50 fps but close enough ;-). My only worry is the fps hit with a full field. You really have to see FSAA to believe it, screen shots don't do it justice. -- Joe Marques Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:22:17 GMT, "Joe Marques" <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Keep in mind I'm running full detail, large textures (512x512 which V3 can't > >do) and 2xFSAA which is the most amazing advancement in 3d cards since the > >3d card. A V3 at 55fps with lower quality textures and jaggies can't > >compare on any level to a V5 with large textures and awe-inspiring > >non-jagged smoothness ;-) at 44 fps. It is worth the upgrade, ask around. > > Sounds good, Joe. What is your CPU? > > Mine is a PIII-600 / 256mb / Voodoo3 (jaggy) > > I am considering a V5-5500 and would like to be able to run ~50 fps > in NH, at full detail at 800x600 with 2x FSAA. > > Would that be realistic? > > Thanks. >

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:42:53 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>Sounds good, Joe. What is your CPU? > >Mine is a PIII-600 / 256mb / Voodoo3 (jaggy) > >I am considering a V5-5500 and would like to be able to run ~50 fps >in NH, at full detail at 800x600 with 2x FSAA. > >Would that be realistic?

Nah, I just tested that res and 2X FSAA on a P3 800 and got 44.3. Got only 2fps lower at 1024x768. 800x600 4X FSAA gives me mid 30's. -- Nos

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:42:17 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Hey, thanks. I have been really torn between the V5 and >some incarnation of the GeF. I am probably going to get >the V5 this week.. ;) > Yea, I tried both the V5 and Geforce2 and overall I like the V5 better because of the better implementation of FSAA. But, the Geforce2 is a very nice card too. Although I found it's drivers pale in comparison to the V5's. Have you read Papadoc's review of both cards? He prefers the V5 too. -- Nos

<[email hidden]> wrote: > Nah, I just tested that res and 2X FSAA on a P3 800 and got > 44.3. Got only 2fps lower at 1024x768. 800x600 4X FSAA > gives me mid 30's. Turn off high detail cars, you'll get around 52 fps (not that it seems to make much difference) @ 800 x 600 2X FSAA and 42 fps @ 800 x 600 4X FSAA. - George

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:06:47 -0500, "George M. Smiley" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Turn off high detail cars, you'll get around 52 fps (not that it >seems to make much difference) @ 800 x 600 2X FSAA and >42 fps @ 800 x 600 4X FSAA. > > - George OK thx, I'll try that. -- Nos

Yes, you are probably correct Joe. My CPU is an Athlon 700 with a 900 core that I am running at 1000. This probably gives a pretty significant boost to me lil' ole' V3. I guess I have to decide between a V5 or a Geforce II for my next video card. Or maybe I should wait a while. I wonder what will be on the market in about a year - video card wise? -- Todd S "Joe Marques" <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dejl5.125960$[email hidden]... > Hey Todd I think your comparison of only fps is apples to oranges. I just > upgraded from a V3, it is a major upgrade. BTW, what is your cpu? > > Keep in mind I'm running full detail, large textures (512x512 which V3 can't > do) and 2xFSAA which is the most amazing advancement in 3d cards since the > 3d card. A V3 at 55fps with lower quality textures and jaggies can't > compare on any level to a V5 with large textures and awe-inspiring > non-jagged smoothness ;-) at 44 fps. It is worth the upgrade, ask around. > > -- > Joe Marques > > Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. > "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:GQfl5.39694$[email hidden]... > > Thanks for the info. I guess I won't be getting a voodoo 5. My V3 > benchmarks > > at 55 at 800x600. > > > > -- > > Todd S. > > > > "Joe Marques" <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:OY0l5.125017$[email hidden]... > > > First, I really like the looks of this one. Excellent FF on my LWFF > (neck > > > and neck with GPL), great physics on expert mode (although a bit tough > to > > > spin someone out), and stunning graphics. I'm running 800x600 2xFSAA > and > > my > > > benchmark test is 44 fps. Now that's what I like to see on a PIII > > 600e@672. > > > > > > This game is going to impress many GPL fans. It's physics may be second > > > only to GPL (if not equal especially the spins and wall collisions). > > Racing > > > in the pack hasn't looked or felt so good. It really shows the age of > the > > > Papy Nascar engine. Although I expect a lot from N4 I'm not sure how > much > > > better Nascar racing can get. > > > > > > -- > > > Joe Marques > > > > > > Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:06:47 -0500, "George M. Smiley" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Turn off high detail cars, you'll get around 52 fps (not that it >seems to make much difference) @ 800 x 600 2X FSAA and >42 fps @ 800 x 600 4X FSAA. It seems that "high detail cars" actually means "cars get drawn at high detail at a farther distance", not that the cars themself have more triangles or better textures; cause at close range (e.g. your own car in the benchmark) there is absolutely no visible difference (at least not visible to me :-). JanL