Re: Nascar Heat AWESOME !!

Me neither, but if he don't like it he don't like it. -- Tim, [email hidden]|[email hidden] http://legends.sports-gaming.com/forums.shtml FREE forums for your league... http://legends.sports-gaming.com Sim racing website loosely based on gpl... Alexander Marx <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8n41oh$7mggn$[email hidden]... > > > As for GP3, this demo shows how poor that game really is. If you don't > > agree, then you haven't tried Nascar Heat . > > I have, and I still don't agree. Hmmm... > > >

> As for GP3, this demo shows how poor that game really is. If you don't > agree, then you haven't tried Nascar Heat . I have, and I still don't agree. Hmmm...

Considering N4 will be coming out at least 6 months later than HEAT, they should. -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 "Target 12" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have to go > >some > > I think it probably will. > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ >

>What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have to go >some I think it probably will. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

Oh My God I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the best looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! Graphics freakin awesome Superb car handling Replays are just like TV EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6 FPS P3 700 Ge-force 2 GTS 128MB What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have to go some

You said it. The cars even flip!! -- Todd S "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]... > Oh My God > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the best > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > Graphics freakin awesome > Superb car handling > Replays are just like TV > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6 FPS > P3 700 > Ge-force 2 GTS > 128MB > > What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have to go > some > >

I couldn't agree more ! I thought that it was impossible to combine graphics, physics and gameplay into one dream package. It will certainly stir up a wasp's nest at Papyrus ! As for GP3, this demo shows how poor that game really is. If you don't agree, then you haven't tried Nascar Heat . "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]...

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> Oh My God > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the best > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > Graphics freakin awesome > Superb car handling > Replays are just like TV > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6 FPS > P3 700 > Ge-force 2 GTS > 128MB > > What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have to go > some > >

I have to agree 100%. Right now, even the Demo (which I'm sure isn't showing us everything in the way of physics and damage modeling and FF) Nascar Racing 3 has been bested. By far IMHO. The AI is incredible. Anyone who isn't challanged by this Sim is either a lap behind or the real Dale Earnhardt. Unlike Nascar 3, in which the AI 'gives up' on you (especially at Talladega) the AI in NH will haunt you and haunt you until YOU give up. I also like the way you can actually scrub a little paint with someone without immediately being thrown into a non-recoverable spin. Just like real life. I like the way you can sustain some damage, and still win a race. Unlike Nascar 3. The sensation of speed is awesome. I've done several 'Earnhardt Style' 360 degree spin-outs and with the proper steering and shifting simply continued on with the race. That is rare in N3. You actuall seem to have _brakes_ that can be locked up, unlike N3. The way you can lose the tail end if you accelerate too hard and pinch off turn 2 too much at Richmond is a sign of very good car physics. In N3, you would just 'twitch' out. NH seems to carry this physic (?) to it's conclusion, and that conclusion is totally dependant on your ability as a driver. I detect NOTHING canned about NH. The one oddity I have noticed is that pit stops with damage fixing and without damage fixing seems to be the same. I'm sure this is just a limitation in the Demo, however... Nascar 4 may best Nascar Heat, but as of right now, Nascar 3 is old news. Keeping fingers crossed on the Multiplayer issue. It would be a crime if this game didn't best N3 in the MP department as well. From what I understand, we haven't really heard or seen what is really coming in this regard. Lot's more to say as the subjects arise. -Larry (Who thinks we have an easy 'Game Of The Year' winner here. "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]...

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> Oh My God > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the best > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > Graphics freakin awesome > Superb car handling > Replays are just like TV > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6 FPS > P3 700 > Ge-force 2 GTS > 128MB > > What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have to go > some > >

It really makes no sense to compare NH to NASCAR 3. They are 2 different "era" games. It's best to compare NH to N4. -Cheers! "Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ngel5.9315$[email hidden]... > I have to agree 100%. > > Right now, even the Demo (which I'm sure isn't showing us everything inthe > way of physics and damage modeling and FF) Nascar Racing 3 has beenbested. > By far IMHO. > > The AI is incredible. Anyone who isn't challanged by this Sim is either a > lap behind or the real Dale Earnhardt. > > Unlike Nascar 3, in which the AI 'gives up' on you (especially atTalladega)

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> the AI in NH will haunt you and haunt you until YOU give up. > > I also like the way you can actually scrub a little paint with someone > without immediately being thrown into a non-recoverable spin. Just like > real life. > > I like the way you can sustain some damage, and still win a race. Unlike > Nascar 3. > > The sensation of speed is awesome. > > I've done several 'Earnhardt Style' 360 degree spin-outs and with the

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> steering and shifting simply continued on with the race. That is rare in > N3. > > You actuall seem to have _brakes_ that can be locked up, unlike N3. > > The way you can lose the tail end if you accelerate too hard and pinch off > turn 2 too much at Richmond is a sign of very good car physics. In N3,

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> would just 'twitch' out. NH seems to carry this physic (?) to it's > conclusion, and that conclusion is totally dependant on your ability as a > driver. > > I detect NOTHING canned about NH. > > The one oddity I have noticed is that pit stops with damage fixing and > without damage fixing seems to be the same. I'm sure this is just a > limitation in the Demo, however... > > Nascar 4 may best Nascar Heat, but as of right now, Nascar 3 is old news. > > Keeping fingers crossed on the Multiplayer issue. It would be a crime if > this game didn't best N3 in the MP department as well. From what I > understand, we haven't really heard or seen what is really coming in this > regard. > > Lot's more to say as the subjects arise. > > -Larry (Who thinks we have an easy 'Game Of The Year' winner here. > > > "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]... > > Oh My God > > > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the best > > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > > > Graphics freakin awesome > > Superb car handling > > Replays are just like TV > > > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6 FPS > > P3 700 > > Ge-force 2 GTS > > 128MB > > > > What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have to go > > some > > > > > >

Maybe, but that's kind of difficult to do at this time. -- Todd S "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:31fl5.483$[email hidden]... > It really makes no sense to compare NH to NASCAR 3. They are 2 > different "era" games. It's best to compare NH to N4. > > -Cheers! > > "Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ngel5.9315$[email hidden]... > > I have to agree 100%. > > > > Right now, even the Demo (which I'm sure isn't showing us everything in > the > > way of physics and damage modeling and FF) Nascar Racing 3 has been > bested. > > By far IMHO. > > > > The AI is incredible. Anyone who isn't challanged by this Sim is either a > > lap behind or the real Dale Earnhardt. > > > > Unlike Nascar 3, in which the AI 'gives up' on you (especially at > Talladega) > > the AI in NH will haunt you and haunt you until YOU give up. > > > > I also like the way you can actually scrub a little paint with someone > > without immediately being thrown into a non-recoverable spin. Just like > > real life. > > > > I like the way you can sustain some damage, and still win a race. Unlike > > Nascar 3. > > > > The sensation of speed is awesome. > > > > I've done several 'Earnhardt Style' 360 degree spin-outs and with the > proper > > steering and shifting simply continued on with the race. That is rare in > > N3. > > > > You actuall seem to have _brakes_ that can be locked up, unlike N3. > > > > The way you can lose the tail end if you accelerate too hard and pinch off > > turn 2 too much at Richmond is a sign of very good car physics. In N3, > you > > would just 'twitch' out. NH seems to carry this physic (?) to it's > > conclusion, and that conclusion is totally dependant on your ability as a > > driver. > > > > I detect NOTHING canned about NH. > > > > The one oddity I have noticed is that pit stops with damage fixing and > > without damage fixing seems to be the same. I'm sure this is just a > > limitation in the Demo, however... > > > > Nascar 4 may best Nascar Heat, but as of right now, Nascar 3 is old news. > > > > Keeping fingers crossed on the Multiplayer issue. It would be a crime if > > this game didn't best N3 in the MP department as well. From what I > > understand, we haven't really heard or seen what is really coming in this > > regard. > > > > Lot's more to say as the subjects arise. > > > > -Larry (Who thinks we have an easy 'Game Of The Year' winner here. > > > > > > "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]... > > > Oh My God > > > > > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the best > > > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > > > > > Graphics freakin awesome > > > Superb car handling > > > Replays are just like TV > > > > > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > > > > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6 FPS > > > P3 700 > > > Ge-force 2 GTS > > > 128MB > > > > > > What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have to go > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > >

Both are fantastic. David G Fisher "fatClyde" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:02dl5.1011$nX5.29988@news1-hme0...

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> I couldn't agree more ! I thought that it was impossible to combine > graphics, physics and gameplay into one dream package. It will certainly > stir up a wasp's nest at Papyrus ! > As for GP3, this demo shows how poor that game really is. If you don't > agree, then you haven't tried Nascar Heat . > > "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]... > > Oh My God > > > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the best > > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > > > Graphics freakin awesome > > Superb car handling > > Replays are just like TV > > > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6 FPS > > P3 700 > > Ge-force 2 GTS > > 128MB > > > > What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have to go > > some > > > > > >

Here is one thing I have noticed in the demo though. I am driving in expert mode, but I can cream a wall at full speed going into the corner with barely visible damage, and the front right tire doesn't blow out? Does anyone know if the damage modelling has been toned down for the demo? Plus, I think the cars flip wayyyyyy too easily, its' almost an arcade game! But hopefully it will be toned down in the retial vers. "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ANfl5.39693$[email hidden]...

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> Maybe, but that's kind of difficult to do at this time. > > -- > Todd S > > "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:31fl5.483$[email hidden]... > > It really makes no sense to compare NH to NASCAR 3. They are 2 > > different "era" games. It's best to compare NH to N4. > > > > -Cheers! > > > > "Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ngel5.9315$[email hidden]... > > > I have to agree 100%. > > > > > > Right now, even the Demo (which I'm sure isn't showing us everything

in > > the > > > way of physics and damage modeling and FF) Nascar Racing 3 has been > > bested. > > > By far IMHO. > > > > > > The AI is incredible. Anyone who isn't challanged by this Sim iseither

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> a > > > lap behind or the real Dale Earnhardt. > > > > > > Unlike Nascar 3, in which the AI 'gives up' on you (especially at > > Talladega) > > > the AI in NH will haunt you and haunt you until YOU give up. > > > > > > I also like the way you can actually scrub a little paint with someone > > > without immediately being thrown into a non-recoverable spin. Just

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> > > real life. > > > > > > I like the way you can sustain some damage, and still win a race. > Unlike > > > Nascar 3. > > > > > > The sensation of speed is awesome. > > > > > > I've done several 'Earnhardt Style' 360 degree spin-outs and with the > > proper > > > steering and shifting simply continued on with the race. That is rare > in > > > N3. > > > > > > You actuall seem to have _brakes_ that can be locked up, unlike N3. > > > > > > The way you can lose the tail end if you accelerate too hard and pinch > off > > > turn 2 too much at Richmond is a sign of very good car physics. In

N3, > > you > > > would just 'twitch' out. NH seems to carry this physic (?) to it's > > > conclusion, and that conclusion is totally dependant on your abilityas

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> a > > > driver. > > > > > > I detect NOTHING canned about NH. > > > > > > The one oddity I have noticed is that pit stops with damage fixing and > > > without damage fixing seems to be the same. I'm sure this is just a > > > limitation in the Demo, however... > > > > > > Nascar 4 may best Nascar Heat, but as of right now, Nascar 3 is old > news. > > > > > > Keeping fingers crossed on the Multiplayer issue. It would be a crime > if > > > this game didn't best N3 in the MP department as well. From what I > > > understand, we haven't really heard or seen what is really coming in > this > > > regard. > > > > > > Lot's more to say as the subjects arise. > > > > > > -Larry (Who thinks we have an easy 'Game Of The Year' winner here. > > > > > > > > > "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]... > > > > Oh My God > > > > > > > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the > best > > > > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > > > > > > > Graphics freakin awesome > > > > Superb car handling > > > > Replays are just like TV > > > > > > > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > > > > > > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6

FPS > > > > P3 700 > > > > Ge-force 2 GTS > > > > 128MB > > > > > > > > What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really haveto

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I noticed that too. You have to really hit the wall HARD (or other cars for that matter too) to incite any damage. But I still enjoy the demo. "Aaron Menchions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Rdgl5.122156$[email hidden]... > Here is one thing I have noticed in the demo though. I am driving inexpert > mode, but I can cream a wall at full speed going into the corner withbarely > visible damage, and the front right tire doesn't blow out? Does anyoneknow > if the damage modelling has been toned down for the demo? > > Plus, I think the cars flip wayyyyyy too easily, its' almost an arcadegame!

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> But hopefully it will be toned down in the retial vers. > > "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ANfl5.39693$[email hidden]... > > Maybe, but that's kind of difficult to do at this time. > > > > -- > > Todd S > > > > "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:31fl5.483$[email hidden]... > > > It really makes no sense to compare NH to NASCAR 3. They are 2 > > > different "era" games. It's best to compare NH to N4. > > > > > > -Cheers! > > > > > > "Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ngel5.9315$[email hidden]... > > > > I have to agree 100%. > > > > > > > > Right now, even the Demo (which I'm sure isn't showing us everything > in > > > the > > > > way of physics and damage modeling and FF) Nascar Racing 3 has been > > > bested. > > > > By far IMHO. > > > > > > > > The AI is incredible. Anyone who isn't challanged by this Sim is > either > > a > > > > lap behind or the real Dale Earnhardt. > > > > > > > > Unlike Nascar 3, in which the AI 'gives up' on you (especially at > > > Talladega) > > > > the AI in NH will haunt you and haunt you until YOU give up. > > > > > > > > I also like the way you can actually scrub a little paint with

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> > > > without immediately being thrown into a non-recoverable spin. Just > like > > > > real life. > > > > > > > > I like the way you can sustain some damage, and still win a race. > > Unlike > > > > Nascar 3. > > > > > > > > The sensation of speed is awesome. > > > > > > > > I've done several 'Earnhardt Style' 360 degree spin-outs and with

the > > > proper > > > > steering and shifting simply continued on with the race. That israre > > in > > > > N3. > > > > > > > > You actuall seem to have _brakes_ that can be locked up, unlike N3. > > > > > > > > The way you can lose the tail end if you accelerate too hard andpinch

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> > off > > > > turn 2 too much at Richmond is a sign of very good car physics. In > N3, > > > you > > > > would just 'twitch' out. NH seems to carry this physic (?) to it's > > > > conclusion, and that conclusion is totally dependant on your ability > as > > a > > > > driver. > > > > > > > > I detect NOTHING canned about NH. > > > > > > > > The one oddity I have noticed is that pit stops with damage fixing

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> > > > without damage fixing seems to be the same. I'm sure this is just a > > > > limitation in the Demo, however... > > > > > > > > Nascar 4 may best Nascar Heat, but as of right now, Nascar 3 is old > > news. > > > > > > > > Keeping fingers crossed on the Multiplayer issue. It would be a

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> > if > > > > this game didn't best N3 in the MP department as well. From what I > > > > understand, we haven't really heard or seen what is really coming in > > this > > > > regard. > > > > > > > > Lot's more to say as the subjects arise. > > > > > > > > -Larry (Who thinks we have an easy 'Game Of The Year' winner here. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]... > > > > > Oh My God > > > > > > > > > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the > > best > > > > > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > > > > > > > > > Graphics freakin awesome > > > > > Superb car handling > > > > > Replays are just like TV > > > > > > > > > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > > > > > > > > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6 > FPS > > > > > P3 700 > > > > > Ge-force 2 GTS > > > > > 128MB > > > > > > > > > > What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have > to > > go > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Yeah, I know. :-) I just meant in the whole flipping aspect. It is rare that a car flips, but I can seem to make it happen at will. But the rest of the game rocks, and the car models, oh my. But the other nit pick I have is the cockpit view. Maybe I am spoiled by N3, but the NH view looks too close to the dash????? I don't know why, but this distracts me? (Yeah, I know, I'm weird. :) "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:57:05 GMT, "Aaron Menchions" <[email hidden]>wrote: > > >Plus, I think the cars flip wayyyyyy too easily, its' almost an arcadegame! > > Heh. > > Compared to NH, N3 is the arcade game... >

I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the best > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! Have you seen SuperBike 2000? Those graphics are truly amazing. Download the demo for some eyecandy

By the way things are looking NH and N4 will also be two different 'era' games :) Regular Racer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:31fl5.483$[email hidden]...

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> It really makes no sense to compare NH to NASCAR 3. They are 2 > different "era" games. It's best to compare NH to N4. > > -Cheers! > > "Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ngel5.9315$[email hidden]... > > I have to agree 100%. > > > > Right now, even the Demo (which I'm sure isn't showing us everything in > the > > way of physics and damage modeling and FF) Nascar Racing 3 has been > bested. > > By far IMHO. > > > > The AI is incredible. Anyone who isn't challanged by this Sim is either

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> > lap behind or the real Dale Earnhardt. > > > > Unlike Nascar 3, in which the AI 'gives up' on you (especially at > Talladega) > > the AI in NH will haunt you and haunt you until YOU give up. > > > > I also like the way you can actually scrub a little paint with someone > > without immediately being thrown into a non-recoverable spin. Just like > > real life. > > > > I like the way you can sustain some damage, and still win a race.

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> > Nascar 3. > > > > The sensation of speed is awesome. > > > > I've done several 'Earnhardt Style' 360 degree spin-outs and with the > proper > > steering and shifting simply continued on with the race. That is rare

in > > N3. > > > > You actuall seem to have _brakes_ that can be locked up, unlike N3. > > > > The way you can lose the tail end if you accelerate too hard and pinchoff > > turn 2 too much at Richmond is a sign of very good car physics. In N3, > you > > would just 'twitch' out. NH seems to carry this physic (?) to it's > > conclusion, and that conclusion is totally dependant on your ability asa

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> > driver. > > > > I detect NOTHING canned about NH. > > > > The one oddity I have noticed is that pit stops with damage fixing and > > without damage fixing seems to be the same. I'm sure this is just a > > limitation in the Demo, however... > > > > Nascar 4 may best Nascar Heat, but as of right now, Nascar 3 is old

news. > > > > Keeping fingers crossed on the Multiplayer issue. It would be a crimeif > > this game didn't best N3 in the MP department as well. From what I > > understand, we haven't really heard or seen what is really coming inthis

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> > regard. > > > > Lot's more to say as the subjects arise. > > > > -Larry (Who thinks we have an easy 'Game Of The Year' winner here. > > > > > > "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]... > > > Oh My God > > > > > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the

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> > > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > > > > > Graphics freakin awesome > > > Superb car handling > > > Replays are just like TV > > > > > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > > > > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6 FPS > > > P3 700 > > > Ge-force 2 GTS > > > 128MB > > > > > > What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have to

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A certain Buy. The graphics are top notch, and would be perfect with a little anti-aliasing, but maybe a voodoo5 would correct that minor shortcoming. The car physics are also very good. And the replays are virtually flawless, with excellent camera angles. I just wish that most of the tracks were not ovals in nascar, maybe just half, but oh well.

Oh geez. Someone just switched on the "Papy Protection Mode". *//ppm on <snip> *//ppm off :) -Larry "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:31fl5.483$[email hidden]...

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> It really makes no sense to compare NH to NASCAR 3. They are 2 > different "era" games. It's best to compare NH to N4. > > -Cheers! > > "Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ngel5.9315$[email hidden]... > > I have to agree 100%. > > > > Right now, even the Demo (which I'm sure isn't showing us everything in > the > > way of physics and damage modeling and FF) Nascar Racing 3 has been > bested. > > By far IMHO. > > > > The AI is incredible. Anyone who isn't challanged by this Sim is either

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> > lap behind or the real Dale Earnhardt. > > > > Unlike Nascar 3, in which the AI 'gives up' on you (especially at > Talladega) > > the AI in NH will haunt you and haunt you until YOU give up. > > > > I also like the way you can actually scrub a little paint with someone > > without immediately being thrown into a non-recoverable spin. Just like > > real life. > > > > I like the way you can sustain some damage, and still win a race.

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> > Nascar 3. > > > > The sensation of speed is awesome. > > > > I've done several 'Earnhardt Style' 360 degree spin-outs and with the > proper > > steering and shifting simply continued on with the race. That is rare

in > > N3. > > > > You actuall seem to have _brakes_ that can be locked up, unlike N3. > > > > The way you can lose the tail end if you accelerate too hard and pinchoff > > turn 2 too much at Richmond is a sign of very good car physics. In N3, > you > > would just 'twitch' out. NH seems to carry this physic (?) to it's > > conclusion, and that conclusion is totally dependant on your ability asa

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> > driver. > > > > I detect NOTHING canned about NH. > > > > The one oddity I have noticed is that pit stops with damage fixing and > > without damage fixing seems to be the same. I'm sure this is just a > > limitation in the Demo, however... > > > > Nascar 4 may best Nascar Heat, but as of right now, Nascar 3 is old

news. > > > > Keeping fingers crossed on the Multiplayer issue. It would be a crimeif > > this game didn't best N3 in the MP department as well. From what I > > understand, we haven't really heard or seen what is really coming inthis

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Well, I know _I_ don't know how to prevent it as well as, say, Bobby Labonte or Dale Earnhardt :) -Larry "Aaron Menchions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pdjl5.122472$[email hidden]... > Yeah, I know. :-) I just meant in the whole flipping aspect. It is rare > that a car flips, but I can seem to make it happen at will. But the restof > the game rocks, and the car models, oh my. > > But the other nit pick I have is the cockpit view. Maybe I am spoiled by > N3, but the NH view looks too close to the dash????? I don't know why,but > this distracts me? (Yeah, I know, I'm weird. :) > > > "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:57:05 GMT, "Aaron Menchions"<[email hidden]>

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I actually thought this aspect of the Cockpit was more accurante than N3. Nascar Drivers are right up against the wheel. How _do_ they drive like that, anyway? -Larry "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:21:25 GMT, "Aaron Menchions" <[email hidden]>wrote: > > > >But the other nit pick I have is the cockpit view. Maybe I am spoiled by > >N3, but the NH view looks too close to the dash????? I don't know why,but

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> >this distracts me? (Yeah, I know, I'm weird. :) > > > > It's a little close, but if you watch real Winston cup races, those > guys sit smack up against the steering wheel. No arms-out driving > in Nascar. They probably do it to allow themselves to apply more > strength to the wheel, in turns, by lifting the side of the wheel, > instead of turning it with their wrists. > > These cars weigh over 3000 lbs. >

LoL...... So you are going to slam N4 before it comes out then? I"m just saying wait till N4 comes out, then compare.....Who knows...I for one am not going to assume anything. Cheers! "Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:T%ll5.11287$[email hidden]...

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> Oh geez. Someone just switched on the "Papy Protection Mode". > > *//ppm on > > <snip> > > *//ppm off > > :) > > -Larry > "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:31fl5.483$[email hidden]... > > It really makes no sense to compare NH to NASCAR 3. They are 2 > > different "era" games. It's best to compare NH to N4. > > > > -Cheers! > > > > "Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ngel5.9315$[email hidden]... > > > I have to agree 100%. > > > > > > Right now, even the Demo (which I'm sure isn't showing us everything

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> a > > > lap behind or the real Dale Earnhardt. > > > > > > Unlike Nascar 3, in which the AI 'gives up' on you (especially at > > Talladega) > > > the AI in NH will haunt you and haunt you until YOU give up. > > > > > > I also like the way you can actually scrub a little paint with someone > > > without immediately being thrown into a non-recoverable spin. Just

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> > > real life. > > > > > > I like the way you can sustain some damage, and still win a race. > Unlike > > > Nascar 3. > > > > > > The sensation of speed is awesome. > > > > > > I've done several 'Earnhardt Style' 360 degree spin-outs and with the > > proper > > > steering and shifting simply continued on with the race. That is rare > in > > > N3. > > > > > > You actuall seem to have _brakes_ that can be locked up, unlike N3. > > > > > > The way you can lose the tail end if you accelerate too hard and pinch > off > > > turn 2 too much at Richmond is a sign of very good car physics. In

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> a > > > driver. > > > > > > I detect NOTHING canned about NH. > > > > > > The one oddity I have noticed is that pit stops with damage fixing and > > > without damage fixing seems to be the same. I'm sure this is just a > > > limitation in the Demo, however... > > > > > > Nascar 4 may best Nascar Heat, but as of right now, Nascar 3 is old > news. > > > > > > Keeping fingers crossed on the Multiplayer issue. It would be a crime > if > > > this game didn't best N3 in the MP department as well. From what I > > > understand, we haven't really heard or seen what is really coming in > this > > > regard. > > > > > > Lot's more to say as the subjects arise. > > > > > > -Larry (Who thinks we have an easy 'Game Of The Year' winner here. > > > > > > > > > "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]... > > > > Oh My God > > > > > > > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the > best > > > > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > > > > > > > Graphics freakin awesome > > > > Superb car handling > > > > Replays are just like TV > > > > > > > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > > > > > > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6

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What post did you base that reply on? I never said anything about N4. Since there is NO Nascar 4 right now, N3 is Papy's current product... -Larry Considering N4 was just pushed to 2001 it doesn't even come in to the equation. "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uuml5.713$[email hidden]... > LoL...... So you are going to slam N4 before it comes out then? I"m just > saying wait till N4 comes out, then compare.....Who knows...I for one amnot

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> going to assume anything. > > Cheers! > > "Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:T%ll5.11287$[email hidden]... > > Oh geez. Someone just switched on the "Papy Protection Mode". > > > > *//ppm on > > > > <snip> > > > > *//ppm off > > > > :) > > > > -Larry > > "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:31fl5.483$[email hidden]... > > > It really makes no sense to compare NH to NASCAR 3. They are 2 > > > different "era" games. It's best to compare NH to N4. > > > > > > -Cheers! > > > > > > "Cox Cable News" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ngel5.9315$[email hidden]... > > > > I have to agree 100%. > > > > > > > > Right now, even the Demo (which I'm sure isn't showing us everything > in > > > the > > > > way of physics and damage modeling and FF) Nascar Racing 3 has been > > > bested. > > > > By far IMHO. > > > > > > > > The AI is incredible. Anyone who isn't challanged by this Sim is > either > > a > > > > lap behind or the real Dale Earnhardt. > > > > > > > > Unlike Nascar 3, in which the AI 'gives up' on you (especially at > > > Talladega) > > > > the AI in NH will haunt you and haunt you until YOU give up. > > > > > > > > I also like the way you can actually scrub a little paint with

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the > > > proper > > > > steering and shifting simply continued on with the race. That israre > > in > > > > N3. > > > > > > > > You actuall seem to have _brakes_ that can be locked up, unlike N3. > > > > > > > > The way you can lose the tail end if you accelerate too hard andpinch

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> > if > > > > this game didn't best N3 in the MP department as well. From what I > > > > understand, we haven't really heard or seen what is really coming in > > this > > > > regard. > > > > > > > > Lot's more to say as the subjects arise. > > > > > > > > -Larry (Who thinks we have an easy 'Game Of The Year' winner here. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]... > > > > > Oh My God > > > > > > > > > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the > > best > > > > > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > > > > > > > > > Graphics freakin awesome > > > > > Superb car handling > > > > > Replays are just like TV > > > > > > > > > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > > > > > > > > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6 > FPS > > > > > P3 700 > > > > > Ge-force 2 GTS > > > > > 128MB > > > > > > > > > > What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have > to > > go > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:57:05 GMT, "Aaron Menchions" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Here is one thing I have noticed in the demo though. I am driving in expert >mode, but I can cream a wall at full speed going into the corner with barely >visible damage, and the front right tire doesn't blow out? Does anyone know >if the damage modelling has been toned down for the demo? Yes it is toned down. Try enabling vertex damage in the options.cfg file "vertex_damage yes" Then you will see more damage. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Skotty Flynn "skotty20" Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/

Kind of wierd for me - - When I enable vertex damage, it takes forever to load a race. Does the same thing when i try to benchmark. It takes 3-4 minutes to get past the loading screen. It seems like my pc is locked up but it's not. It always starts eventually. As soon as i disable vertex damage, the tracks load in 5 seconds On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:18:08 GMT, Skotty Flynn <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:57:05 GMT, "Aaron Menchions" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Here is one thing I have noticed in the demo though. I am driving in expert >>mode, but I can cream a wall at full speed going into the corner with barely >>visible damage, and the front right tire doesn't blow out? Does anyone know >>if the damage modelling has been toned down for the demo? > >Yes it is toned down. >Try enabling vertex damage in the options.cfg file >"vertex_damage yes" >Then you will see more damage. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Skotty Flynn >"skotty20" >Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: >http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com >The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: >http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:59:48 GMT, [email hidden] (Zep) wrote: >Kind of wierd for me - - When I enable vertex damage, it takes forever >to load a race. Does the same thing when i try to benchmark. It takes >3-4 minutes to get past the loading screen. It seems like my pc is >locked up but it's not. It always starts eventually. As soon as i >disable vertex damage, the tracks load in 5 seconds Yes this is an issue with vertex damage on The loading time seems different for people. Only takes about 30 sec to 1 minute here. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Skotty Flynn "skotty20" Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/

They drive that way because a WC race is 3 - 4 hours. It would be very difficult and tiring to drive with your arms extended for that length of time. Al "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:21:25 GMT, "Aaron Menchions" <[email hidden]>wrote: > > > >But the other nit pick I have is the cockpit view. Maybe I am spoiled by > >N3, but the NH view looks too close to the dash????? I don't know why,but

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One word of warning about the vertex damage. At least on my system, I cannot enable it on the Daytona Track. The game locks up while 'loading' every time and I have to hit the reset button. -Larry "Skotty Flynn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:57:05 GMT, "Aaron Menchions" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Here is one thing I have noticed in the demo though. I am driving inexpert > >mode, but I can cream a wall at full speed going into the corner withbarely > >visible damage, and the front right tire doesn't blow out? Does anyoneknow

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Ah, maybe mine isn't really locking up then! It's funny that even the 3-finger-salute won't work though :) -Larry "Zep" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Kind of wierd for me - - When I enable vertex damage, it takes forever > to load a race. Does the same thing when i try to benchmark. It takes > 3-4 minutes to get past the loading screen. It seems like my pc is > locked up but it's not. It always starts eventually. As soon as i > disable vertex damage, the tracks load in 5 seconds > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:18:08 GMT, Skotty Flynn > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:57:05 GMT, "Aaron Menchions" > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>Here is one thing I have noticed in the demo though. I am driving in

expert > >>mode, but I can cream a wall at full speed going into the corner withbarely > >>visible damage, and the front right tire doesn't blow out? Does anyoneknow

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> >>if the damage modelling has been toned down for the demo? > > > >Yes it is toned down. > >Try enabling vertex damage in the options.cfg file > >"vertex_damage yes" > >Then you will see more damage. > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Skotty Flynn > >"skotty20" > >Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: > >http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com > >The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: > >http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/ >

Makes sense to me :) -Larry "Alan G. Laughlin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0jzl5.910$[email hidden]...

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> They drive that way because a WC race is 3 - 4 hours. It would be very > difficult and tiring to drive with your arms extended for that length of > time. > > Al > > "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:21:25 GMT, "Aaron Menchions"

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> > A certain Buy. The graphics are top notch, and would be perfect with a little > anti-aliasing, but maybe a voodoo5 would correct that minor shortcoming. The > car physics are also very good. And the replays are virtually flawless, with > excellent camera angles. > I just wish that most of the tracks were not ovals in nascar, maybe just half, > but oh well.

I suspect some enterprising souls will have us running WC cars at Rock Island and Vipers at Daytona before long. Just a guess though!!! -- Rich Koehler rgkoehler(at)avaya(dot)com killerk(at)home(dot)com

Is the GP3 demo Out ???? where can I get it ????? Tim A. Deatherage [email hidden] www.timdeatheragecpa.com "If you haven't visited my web site lately, it's updated and try it ! " "fatClyde" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:02dl5.1011$nX5.29988@news1-hme0...

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> I couldn't agree more ! I thought that it was impossible to combine > graphics, physics and gameplay into one dream package. It will certainly > stir up a wasp's nest at Papyrus ! > As for GP3, this demo shows how poor that game really is. If you don't > agree, then you haven't tried Nascar Heat . > > "Napalm Baby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8n3ks6$rjo$[email hidden]... > > Oh My God > > > > I do not know what the rest of you think of the demo but it is the best > > looking racing game I have ever seen in my life !! > > > > Graphics freakin awesome > > Superb car handling > > Replays are just like TV > > > > EVERYTHING YOU COULD WISH FOR > > > > Running in 1280 x 1024 with everything maxed out and getting 32.6 FPS > > P3 700 > > Ge-force 2 GTS > > 128MB > > > > What on earth can beat this is beyond me NASCAR 4 will really have to go > > some > > > > > >