Re: GPL hay Eldred

In article <H%dm5.4214$[email hidden]>, "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> I've done a BUNCH of laps at Nurburgring. I just can't figure out how to >get >> past 8:52. It's not for lack of trying. > >What I did is first notice that the 3rd place ai driver was getting times in >the 8:50 range (I had already made my player.sts file RO so they didn't keep >getting faster) so I decided I would just try to stick with him as long as I >could from the start. At first I would just spin out in the first 5 or 6 >turns before flugplatz, so I'd reset and try again (the glide patch that >eliminates mode switching in the game makes this process much faster). >

8:50? The AI leaders in my game to 8:30's and I've also made the player.sts read-only... :( Which session are you doing this in?

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>Then I'd see he would always pull away at flugplatz, so although I couldn't >take the jump itself fast I tried speeding up just after it, and sure enough >found that through familiarity I could go much faster through the next few >turns all the way to the underpass bridge, and keep the AI driver in sight >the whole time! Very encouraging. > >Similarly with the next short section where you go fast down into a valley >and up the hill to where the crowd is. I was starting to split the track up >mentally into sections that I knew how to handle, finding that I could >actually make up time against the ai in many of the sections. > >Finally it reached the point where, though this 3rd ai driver might pull >away in parts, I found I could always catch up to him at the beginning of >the second half of the track (the Karussell I think). Once you've reached >this point you've succeeded!! He's quite slow in this section so you just >stick with him all the way to the finish line and you're guaranteed an 8:50. >This happens every time, the AI are nothing if not consistent! > >Right now I've gotten good enough at the start that by being very aggressive >I can cut off the 3rd ai driver (or push him out of the way) in the first >few turns and am trying to stick with the two leaders as long as possible. >My best times are always on the first lap and I've yet to string together >two laps in a row without spinning out. Just succeeding at that should get >me into the 8:30s, maybe next weekend!

How do you get close enough in a race to even SEE them? I qualify like 13th or 14th - if I'm LUCKY... Or, do you wait for them im practice, then follow them? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>I just passed you on the gplrank, but it really looks to me like you would >be alot higher if you took a few laps at nurb :) I can see myself getting >to 8:30 if I can string two laps in a row without spinning, but getting any >lower at monaco or spa are problems that stump me. > >rms >[email hidden]

I've done a BUNCH of laps at Nurburgring. I just can't figure out how to get past 8:52. It's not for lack of trying. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I just passed you on the gplrank, but it really looks to me like you would be alot higher if you took a few laps at nurb :) I can see myself getting to 8:30 if I can string two laps in a row without spinning, but getting any lower at monaco or spa are problems that stump me. rms [email hidden]

> I've done a BUNCH of laps at Nurburgring. I just can't figure out how toget > past 8:52. It's not for lack of trying. What I did is first notice that the 3rd place ai driver was getting times in the 8:50 range (I had already made my player.sts file RO so they didn't keep getting faster) so I decided I would just try to stick with him as long as I could from the start. At first I would just spin out in the first 5 or 6 turns before flugplatz, so I'd reset and try again (the glide patch that eliminates mode switching in the game makes this process much faster). Then I'd see he would always pull away at flugplatz, so although I couldn't take the jump itself fast I tried speeding up just after it, and sure enough found that through familiarity I could go much faster through the next few turns all the way to the underpass bridge, and keep the AI driver in sight the whole time! Very encouraging. Similarly with the next short section where you go fast down into a valley and up the hill to where the crowd is. I was starting to split the track up mentally into sections that I knew how to handle, finding that I could actually make up time against the ai in many of the sections. Finally it reached the point where, though this 3rd ai driver might pull away in parts, I found I could always catch up to him at the beginning of the second half of the track (the Karussell I think). Once you've reached this point you've succeeded!! He's quite slow in this section so you just stick with him all the way to the finish line and you're guaranteed an 8:50. This happens every time, the AI are nothing if not consistent! Right now I've gotten good enough at the start that by being very aggressive I can cut off the 3rd ai driver (or push him out of the way) in the first few turns and am trying to stick with the two leaders as long as possible. My best times are always on the first lap and I've yet to string together two laps in a row without spinning out. Just succeeding at that should get me into the 8:30s, maybe next weekend! > > Eldred rms [email hidden]

Eldred , have you tried the Ferrari ? I was firmly stuck at 8.48 in the Lotus and couldn't really find any more time unless I really pushed it in every single corner and every time I spun at least once a lap so I'll never know what time I would have managed. I took the Ferrari out and found that I could be really aggressive and survived a number of moments thanks to the car's forgiving nature , touching the grass etc , which would have meant curtains in the Lotus. Second lap in the Ferrari 8.42 and I'm sure there's more to come. I think the Lotus will be ultimately faster but only if I can overcome frustration every time I stuff it. Regards , Jim Wheatly ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

In article <Yemm5.4493$[email hidden]>, "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> 8:50? The AI leaders in my game to 8:30's and I've also made the >player.sts >> read-only... :( >> Which session are you doing this in? > > After installing the game I raced one novice race at monza so the >player.sts would be created, then made it readonly. Just create a temporary >player and do the same thing, and copy it over your main one. >

I thought I'd done that... I'll have to check.

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>> How do you get close enough in a race to even SEE them? I qualify like >13th or >> 14th - if I'm LUCKY... >> Or, do you wait for them im practice, then follow them? > > I'm doing this in novice race with 5 opponents. Why bother with a full >field race til you get better; the point is use the ai to help you get >faster by racing against them. Don't bother running practice laps, skip the >practice, and at the start of the race you pass two of the ai immediately >and can get on with the business of chasing the three leaders. After awhile >you can pass the third AI at the start and chase the two leaders and you >will be running with an ai ahead of you in the 8:30s to aim for and one >pushing you from behind in the 8:50 range, so you'll get used to running in >the 8:40s pretty quickly. Anyway that's where I am right now.

Duh! I never thought of just starting with 5 AI...<sigh> See what this game does to your mind?<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred, try using the Ferrari with the push settings that Alison created for Mosport. I think the gear ratios are the same at the Ring, but if not change them. Doing this I got to about where you are now, then the other day I made the changes to an Alison Ring Eagle in the same proportions that makes a regular Alison Ferrari different from a push Ferrari (both Alison Mosport) setups. I then knocked ten seconds off at the Ring on my second lap with these settings. For me Push is best! Oh, and thanks for those replays. I am slower then you almost everywhere else and they are a big help in learning what I am doing wrong. arcman EldredP wrote:

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, bog > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Eldred , have you tried the Ferrari ? > >I was firmly stuck at 8.48 in the Lotus and couldn't really find > >any more time unless I really pushed it in every single corner > >and every time I spun at least once a lap so I'll never know > >what time I would have managed. > > Uh, my 8:52 is IN the Ferrari... :) > I can't get under 9:00 with anything else... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +51.31 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> 8:50? The AI leaders in my game to 8:30's and I've also made theplayer.sts > read-only... :( > Which session are you doing this in? After installing the game I raced one novice race at monza so the player.sts would be created, then made it readonly. Just create a temporary player and do the same thing, and copy it over your main one. > How do you get close enough in a race to even SEE them? I qualify like13th or > 14th - if I'm LUCKY... > Or, do you wait for them im practice, then follow them? I'm doing this in novice race with 5 opponents. Why bother with a full field race til you get better; the point is use the ai to help you get faster by racing against them. Don't bother running practice laps, skip the practice, and at the start of the race you pass two of the ai immediately and can get on with the business of chasing the three leaders. After awhile you can pass the third AI at the start and chase the two leaders and you will be running with an ai ahead of you in the 8:30s to aim for and one pushing you from behind in the 8:50 range, so you'll get used to running in the 8:40s pretty quickly. Anyway that's where I am right now. > > Eldred rms [email hidden] .

In article <[email hidden]>, bog <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred , have you tried the Ferrari ? >I was firmly stuck at 8.48 in the Lotus and couldn't really find >any more time unless I really pushed it in every single corner >and every time I spun at least once a lap so I'll never know >what time I would have managed. Uh, my 8:52 is IN the Ferrari... :) I can't get under 9:00 with anything else... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.