Re: Which is better, F1 2000 or GP3?

And your friend's opinion of NFS3 would have probably been even more favorable, given that he's a novice. This may speak well for the accessibility of GP3, but it does not necessarily indicate that it is in any way "better" than F1 2000 in this instance. -- JB In article <8ne3ne$66b$[email hidden]>, "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I showed both GP3 and F12000 to a friend of mine who is mot a sim- > racer. He almost instantly said he liked the looks and the feel of > GP3 better. > > grtngs, > hgrm > > "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bfnm5.1276$[email hidden]... > > Which is better? > > F1 2000 or Gp3? > > > > -- > > Have a good one, > > Chad Pierce > > > > > > > >

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That DOES seem to be the question that's being addressed here . . . -- JB In article <tTym5.723526$k22.3379419@flipper>, "HJ Ventura" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > Which is better? > > F1 2000 or Gp3? > > Wrong question !! The question should be like this: > > "which do you prefere.. F1 2000 or GP3" > >

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I agree with these guys. Controlling the car in F12K is almost impossible with the keyboard and when many cars are around you graphics are tremendously hard to proces. I own a K6-2 400 with viper550 and 192Mb memory. F12K is no option for this machine, but is reasonable in GP3, which looks even better when not driving at all. "Kankkis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ndsdh$14k$[email hidden]...

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> GP3 is 500% better. > F12000 is good for hotlapping but impossible to race with all AI cars!!!. > > -Jani- > > "JeDa" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� > news:Iusm5.6061$[email hidden]... > > Well, I completely agree with you. GP3 gives a much better racing > experience > > than any other racing sim out there including GPL, allthough GPL is

still > my > > favorite for hotlapping. But if you compare F1 2000 and GP3 I think GP3is

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> > much better! > > > > Cheers, > > JeDa > > > > Joe Marques <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > > fUnm5.1174$[email hidden]... > > > My preference is an F1 game that offers the best racing experience so > GP3 > > is > > > for me. It has superior AI, very good physics that allows you to push > to > > > the limit of control, unbelievable weather (dynamic to the point of

rain > > on > > > one end of the track and dry on the other), good FF effects, solid if > > > unspectacular graphics (looks great on my V5 5500 with 2xFSAA) andvery > > good > > > framerates. I run a full field and am super smooth even on turn one. > > > Specs: PIII @ 672, V5 5500 2xFSAA and 128 MB ram running at 1280x960. > > > > > > F12K looks great without any other cars on the course but you'll needa

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> > Cray > > > to run it with full detail and a full field. Some like the physics > > better, > > > I don't since I find the F12K car floats a bit and feels sloppy to > control > > > with its poor FF implementation. To me GP3 feels much tighter to > control > > > with my LWFF. While GP3 is not what it could have been, it succeeds

at > > what > > > it is: A solid upgrade from GP2 and the best modern F1 game. I'm inthe

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> > > minority in this ng since I like GP3 far more than F12K. GP3 haters, > > flame > > > away my asbestos suit is ready and waiting ;-). > > > > > > -- > > > Joe Marques > > > > > > Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. > > > > > > "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:bfnm5.1276$[email hidden]... > > > > Which is better? > > > > F1 2000 or Gp3? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Have a good one, > > > > Chad Pierce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I have just the opposite problem -- I can run F12K on my K6-2 400 machine just fine (64 MB RAM, 16 MB Voodoo Banshee card, heavily tweaked overall), even in quick race mode with a full AI field (only displaying 7 cars at a time, though). On the other hand, I CANNOT get GP3 to run on my system with anything that looks better than VGA-level graphics. And, once I get the frame rates in GP3 working halfway decent, there are NO trackside graphics to speak of (which makes it all the more realistic and immersive, right?), and there's no feel to the physics at all using any of my WHEEL AND PEDAL setups (I was always under the impression that keyboards were for typing with, but to GP3's credit, it does support split-axis support when using the keyboard). As for overall feel, I much prefer F12K for hotlapping because I really like the feel of the cars, and I truly WISH that I could get GP3 to run halfway decent so I could see just what it is that everybody likes so much about it (other than the fact that they keyboard is usable as a control device). Given F12K's mediocre AI, I'm sure that GP3's playability probably does edge out F12K, but I haven't been able to witness that for myself yet. :-( -- JB In article <8ne1cg$1en$[email hidden]>, "Dirk Molenaar" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I agree with these guys. > Controlling the car in F12K is almost impossible with the keyboardand when > many cars are around you graphics are tremendously hard to proces. > I own a K6-2 400 with viper550 and 192Mb memory. F12K is no optionfor this > machine, but is reasonable in GP3, which looks even better when notdriving > at all. > > "Kankkis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8ndsdh$14k$[email hidden]... > > GP3 is 500% better. > > F12000 is good for hotlapping but impossible to race with all AIcars!!!.

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> > > > -Jani- > > > > "JeDa" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� > > news:Iusm5.6061$[email hidden]... > > > Well, I completely agree with you. GP3 gives a much better racing > > experience > > > than any other racing sim out there including GPL, allthough GPL

is > still > > my > > > favorite for hotlapping. But if you compare F1 2000 and GP3 Ithink GP3

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> is > > > much better! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > JeDa > > > > > > Joe Marques <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> schreef in

berichtnieuws > > > fUnm5.1174$[email hidden]... > > > > My preference is an F1 game that offers the best racingexperience so > > GP3 > > > is > > > > for me. It has superior AI, very good physics that allows youto push > > to > > > > the limit of control, unbelievable weather (dynamic to thepoint of > rain > > > on > > > > one end of the track and dry on the other), good FF effects,solid if > > > > unspectacular graphics (looks great on my V5 5500 with 2xFSAA)and > very > > > good > > > > framerates. I run a full field and am super smooth even onturn one. > > > > Specs: PIII @ 672, V5 5500 2xFSAA and 128 MB ram running at1280x960. > > > > > > > > F12K looks great without any other cars on the course butyou'll need > a > > > Cray > > > > to run it with full detail and a full field. Some like thephysics > > > better, > > > > I don't since I find the F12K car floats a bit and feels sloppyto > > control > > > > with its poor FF implementation. To me GP3 feels much tighterto > > control > > > > with my LWFF. While GP3 is not what it could have been, itsucceeds > at > > > what > > > > it is: A solid upgrade from GP2 and the best modern F1 game.I'm in > the > > > > minority in this ng since I like GP3 far more than F12K. GP3haters,

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> > > flame > > > > away my asbestos suit is ready and waiting ;-). > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Joe Marques > > > > > > > > Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. > > > > > > > > "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:bfnm5.1276$[email hidden]... > > > > > Which is better? > > > > > F1 2000 or Gp3? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Have a good one, > > > > > Chad Pierce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Which is better? F1 2000 or Gp3? -- Have a good one, Chad Pierce

My preference is an F1 game that offers the best racing experience so GP3 is for me. It has superior AI, very good physics that allows you to push to the limit of control, unbelievable weather (dynamic to the point of rain on one end of the track and dry on the other), good FF effects, solid if unspectacular graphics (looks great on my V5 5500 with 2xFSAA) and very good framerates. I run a full field and am super smooth even on turn one. Specs: PIII @ 672, V5 5500 2xFSAA and 128 MB ram running at 1280x960. F12K looks great without any other cars on the course but you'll need a Cray to run it with full detail and a full field. Some like the physics better, I don't since I find the F12K car floats a bit and feels sloppy to control with its poor FF implementation. To me GP3 feels much tighter to control with my LWFF. While GP3 is not what it could have been, it succeeds at what it is: A solid upgrade from GP2 and the best modern F1 game. I'm in the minority in this ng since I like GP3 far more than F12K. GP3 haters, flame away my asbestos suit is ready and waiting ;-). -- Joe Marques Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfnm5.1276$[email hidden]... > Which is better? > F1 2000 or Gp3? > > -- > Have a good one, > Chad Pierce > > >

Well, I completely agree with you. GP3 gives a much better racing experience than any other racing sim out there including GPL, allthough GPL is still my favorite for hotlapping. But if you compare F1 2000 and GP3 I think GP3 is much better! Cheers, JeDa Joe Marques <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws fUnm5.1174$[email hidden]... > My preference is an F1 game that offers the best racing experience so GP3is > for me. It has superior AI, very good physics that allows you to push to > the limit of control, unbelievable weather (dynamic to the point of rainon > one end of the track and dry on the other), good FF effects, solid if > unspectacular graphics (looks great on my V5 5500 with 2xFSAA) and verygood > framerates. I run a full field and am super smooth even on turn one. > Specs: PIII @ 672, V5 5500 2xFSAA and 128 MB ram running at 1280x960. > > F12K looks great without any other cars on the course but you'll need aCray > to run it with full detail and a full field. Some like the physicsbetter, > I don't since I find the F12K car floats a bit and feels sloppy to control > with its poor FF implementation. To me GP3 feels much tighter to control > with my LWFF. While GP3 is not what it could have been, it succeeds atwhat > it is: A solid upgrade from GP2 and the best modern F1 game. I'm in the > minority in this ng since I like GP3 far more than F12K. GP3 haters,flame

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> away my asbestos suit is ready and waiting ;-). > > -- > Joe Marques > > Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. > > "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bfnm5.1276$[email hidden]... > > Which is better? > > F1 2000 or Gp3? > > > > -- > > Have a good one, > > Chad Pierce > > > > > > > >

GP3 is 500% better. F12000 is good for hotlapping but impossible to race with all AI cars!!!. -Jani- "JeDa" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� news:Iusm5.6061$[email hidden]... > Well, I completely agree with you. GP3 gives a much better racingexperience > than any other racing sim out there including GPL, allthough GPL is stillmy

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> favorite for hotlapping. But if you compare F1 2000 and GP3 I think GP3 is > much better! > > Cheers, > JeDa > > Joe Marques <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > fUnm5.1174$[email hidden]... > > My preference is an F1 game that offers the best racing experience so

GP3 > is > > for me. It has superior AI, very good physics that allows you to pushto

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> > the limit of control, unbelievable weather (dynamic to the point of rain > on > > one end of the track and dry on the other), good FF effects, solid if > > unspectacular graphics (looks great on my V5 5500 with 2xFSAA) and very > good > > framerates. I run a full field and am super smooth even on turn one. > > Specs: PIII @ 672, V5 5500 2xFSAA and 128 MB ram running at 1280x960. > > > > F12K looks great without any other cars on the course but you'll need a > Cray > > to run it with full detail and a full field. Some like the physics > better, > > I don't since I find the F12K car floats a bit and feels sloppy to

control > > with its poor FF implementation. To me GP3 feels much tighter tocontrol

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> > with my LWFF. While GP3 is not what it could have been, it succeeds at > what > > it is: A solid upgrade from GP2 and the best modern F1 game. I'm in the > > minority in this ng since I like GP3 far more than F12K. GP3 haters, > flame > > away my asbestos suit is ready and waiting ;-). > > > > -- > > Joe Marques > > > > Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. > > > > "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:bfnm5.1276$[email hidden]... > > > Which is better? > > > F1 2000 or Gp3? > > > > > > -- > > > Have a good one, > > > Chad Pierce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I showed both GP3 and F12000 to a friend of mine who is mot a sim-racer. He almost instantly said he liked the looks and the feel of GP3 better. grtngs, hgrm "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfnm5.1276$[email hidden]...

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> Which is better? > F1 2000 or Gp3? > > -- > Have a good one, > Chad Pierce > > >

GP3!! Chad Pierce <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bfnm5.1276$[email hidden]...

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> Which is better? > F1 2000 or Gp3? > > -- > Have a good one, > Chad Pierce > > >

I am not sure if that is good or not......add GPL in there and see what he thinks. He will absolutely HATE GPL because he will not be able to handle the car at all, but it doesnt mean it is a bad game. I am still undecided which one is better......especially after the disappointment of GP3 constantly crashing during 5 player multiplayer :( Ash "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ne3ne$66b$[email hidden]... | I showed both GP3 and F12000 to a friend of mine who is mot a sim-racer.He

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| almost instantly said he liked the looks and the feel of GP3 better. | | grtngs, | hgrm | | "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:bfnm5.1276$[email hidden]... | > Which is better? | > F1 2000 or Gp3? | > | > -- | > Have a good one, | > Chad Pierce | > | > | > | |

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:46:21 +0200, "Dirk Molenaar" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I agree with these guys. >Controlling the car in F12K is almost impossible with the keyboard Oh geez...if you are into racing sims then please do yourself a big favour and get a wheel and pedals. You can't even judge the driving model when you are using a keyboard. Personally, I don't think either game is all that great, both have crappy AI IMO. The cars in GP3 are too pointy (digital feeling) and the cars in F1 2000 are a bit loose (just a tad). But, the physics model in F12K is the better of the two. Graphics are so so in both games, but GP3 runs much better performance wise than F12K. If you can't get a smooth frame rate in F12K then you can't judge the game because you are not driving the game as intended. Choose your poison because both games have their problems. But, someone (not you) said GP3 is better than GPL. My advice is to get off the crack as soon as possible. The only thing better is the weather effects. -- Nos

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:59:21 GMT, "HJ Ventura" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >"which do you prefere.. F1 2000 or GP3" Exactly. It's a choice of the lesser of two evils. :-) -- Nos

> Which is better? > F1 2000 or Gp3? Wrong question !! The question should be like this: "which do you prefere.. F1 2000 or GP3"

> I am not sure if that is good or not......add GPL in there and see what he > thinks. He will absolutely HATE GPL because he will not be able to handle > the car at all, but it doesnt mean it is a bad game. I am still undecided > which one is better......especially after the disappointment of GP3 > constantly crashing during 5 player multiplayer :( Now you're talking !!! Absolutly true. It depends on the fact what someone preferes in a game. Since i like the online part, i race far more often F1 2000. But yup, both games have got real good features, but thats said by many others a hundred times in this newsgroup. Its not that i dont wanna choose, but it simply a fact that both games are good. GPL also ofcourse (i am still practising the ice skating, hehehehe, since i come from The Netherlands, i should improve quick on the ice skating...... lol) Btw its funny to see that in the beginning many people were very negativ about GP3 (same happened with F1 2000) and now they are starting to like it. Hehehehe......this is a normal human being behaviour, lol !!

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Choose your poison because both games have their problems. But, > someone (not you) said GP3 is better than GPL. My advice is to get off > the crack as soon as possible. The only thing better is the weather > effects. All I will add is: :-) -- [email hidden]

"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8nebg4$p1h$[email hidden]... > I am not sure if that is good or not......add GPL in there and see what he > thinks. He will absolutely HATE GPL because he will not be able to handle > the car at all, but it doesnt mean it is a bad game. I am still undecided > which one is better......especially after the disappointment of GP3 > constantly crashing during 5 player multiplayer :( That's true for the physics part. I showed him GPL. He drove/spun a couple of hundred yards. He was impressed (with the game and with my driving (GPL-handicap 175.55...) But he really is able to assess the graphics. He has seen more games than mnost of us and he knows pretty much about graphics engine. So if he says that GP3 has done the job better than F12k regarding to graphics, I thend to believe him.

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> > Ash > > "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8ne3ne$66b$[email hidden]... > | I showed both GP3 and F12000 to a friend of mine who is mot a sim-racer. > He > | almost instantly said he liked the looks and the feel of GP3 better. > | > | grtngs, > | hgrm > | > | "Chad Pierce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | news:bfnm5.1276$[email hidden]... > | > Which is better? > | > F1 2000 or Gp3? > | > > | > -- > | > Have a good one, > | > Chad Pierce > | > > | > > | > > | > | > >

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> > Just on the graphics alone I would agree with your friend. Take a look at > > http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Image1.jpg for a comparison between > > F12000, GP3 and a real F1 photo. > > Interesting. Though tough to compare. Since the real one isnt good enough > and not exactly a cockpitview (so other perspective). Anyway still > interesting. Colors of GP3 are better, but i think the position of the car > in F1 2000 is different (more far away from the bridge) than the real photo. > So diff to compare. My experience in F12K is also that some tracks are > pretty realistic (also with laptimes, for example Austria..) but others are > really not, for example Hungary. Thats a pity. > > I only wonder what the real F1 photo stands for. Which season ? Which car > exactly. I dont think this is a 2000 season car (maybe i am wrong?) >

It reminds me of Speedvision coverage during this year's Monaco GP - no, it wasn't a modern-era car: at the beginning of the race (or qual.?) they showed a qualifying lap with Ayrton Senna. Whoa! Did he know how to wring everything out of a car! The footage was fantastic, all shaky and LOUD! Nothing we have on the computer will ever compare to that! -- s i m a g e r y @ h o t m a i l . c o m

Nice shots, BTW, and thanks for sharing -- good side-by-side comparison. FWIW, I almost always crank up the gamma and brightness when playing sims -- I think the real world is MUCH brighter than programmers make it out to be. Must come from doing all that late- night programming with the help of M&Ms and capuccino! <G> -- JB In article <toVm5.3835$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Fair enough, I'll give it a try and see what I come up with. GP3 andF1 > 2000 were both using the same gamma settings though. > > Oh, the real-life shot looks blurry because it's taken from a fairlylow-res > video clip. I only wanted something to demonstrate how bright thereal > sport looks when the tracks are in direct sunshine. > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8nh1v1$2oh$[email hidden]... > > Interesting link, but if the person who took the F1 2000 screen shot > > had taken the time to adjust/tweak their gamma settings, the picture > > would have looked MUCH more realistic. The bridge with the "Shell" > > logo looks much more realistic in the F12K shot, for example, andwhile > > the armco and road surface appear too dark, if the graphics had been > > adjusted properly, they would have looked much better -- and, hence, > > more realistic -- in the screen shot. > > > > My opinion: Based on the side-by-side pictures, I'd have to saythat > > both GP3 and F12000 look BETTER than real-life! <G> > > > > -- JB > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <bfnm5.1276$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Chad Pierce) wrote: > Which is better? > F1 2000 or Gp3? GP3. GPL & GP3 are the two best sims out there at the moment. IMHO of course.... 8-) *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

Interesting link, but if the person who took the F1 2000 screen shot had taken the time to adjust/tweak their gamma settings, the picture would have looked MUCH more realistic. The bridge with the "Shell" logo looks much more realistic in the F12K shot, for example, and while the armco and road surface appear too dark, if the graphics had been adjusted properly, they would have looked much better -- and, hence, more realistic -- in the screen shot. My opinion: Based on the side-by-side pictures, I'd have to say that both GP3 and F12000 look BETTER than real-life! <G> -- JB In article <fcGm5.1762$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Just on the graphics alone I would agree with your friend. Take alook at > http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Image1.jpg for a comparisonbetween > F12000, GP3 and a real F1 photo. > > "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8ne3ne$66b$[email hidden]... > > I showed both GP3 and F12000 to a friend of mine who is mot a sim-racer.

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> He > > almost instantly said he liked the looks and the feel of GP3 better. > > > > grtngs, > > hgrm > >

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> Just on the graphics alone I would agree with your friend. Take a look at > http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Image1.jpg for a comparison between > F12000, GP3 and a real F1 photo. > > "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8ne3ne$66b$[email hidden]... > > I showed both GP3 and F12000 to a friend of mine who is mot a sim-racer. > He > > almost instantly said he liked the looks and the feel of GP3 better. > > > > grtngs, > > hgrm >

That photo's from Martin Brundle in the early 90s. Everyone knows that, due to the accumulation of particulate matter in the atmosphere over Europe from increasing sales of diesel VWs, Monaco is now much darker than it was ten years ago. F1-2000 has perfectly captured this change, while Crammond is still living in the past. :-) Stephen

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>> Which is better? >> F1 2000 or Gp3? > >Wrong question !! The question should be like this: > >"which do you prefere.. F1 2000 or GP3" >

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Just on the graphics alone I would agree with your friend. Take a look at http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Image1.jpg for a comparison between F12000, GP3 and a real F1 photo. "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ne3ne$66b$[email hidden]... > I showed both GP3 and F12000 to a friend of mine who is mot a sim-racer.He > almost instantly said he liked the looks and the feel of GP3 better. > > grtngs, > hgrm

hehe :) "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:399b9395$[email hidden]... > > That photo's from Martin Brundle in the early 90s. Everyone knows that,due > to the accumulation of particulate matter in the atmosphere over Europefrom > increasing sales of diesel VWs, Monaco is now much darker than it was ten > years ago. F1-2000 has perfectly captured this change, while Crammond is > still living in the past. :-) > > Stephen

Fair enough, I'll give it a try and see what I come up with. GP3 and F1 2000 were both using the same gamma settings though. Oh, the real-life shot looks blurry because it's taken from a fairly low-res video clip. I only wanted something to demonstrate how bright the real sport looks when the tracks are in direct sunshine. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8nh1v1$2oh$[email hidden]...

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> Interesting link, but if the person who took the F1 2000 screen shot > had taken the time to adjust/tweak their gamma settings, the picture > would have looked MUCH more realistic. The bridge with the "Shell" > logo looks much more realistic in the F12K shot, for example, and while > the armco and road surface appear too dark, if the graphics had been > adjusted properly, they would have looked much better -- and, hence, > more realistic -- in the screen shot. > > My opinion: Based on the side-by-side pictures, I'd have to say that > both GP3 and F12000 look BETTER than real-life! <G> > > -- JB

Ashley McConnell wrote: > > I am not sure if that is good or not......add GPL in there and see what he > thinks. He will absolutely HATE GPL because he will not be able to handle > the car at all, but it doesnt mean it is a bad game. I am still undecided > which one is better......especially after the disappointment of GP3 > constantly crashing during 5 player multiplayer :( Oh man, will you guys never get it. Why does one of those two have to be better? One is excellent at simulating 67 F1 cars and sucks at simulating modern F1 cars. So if you hate one period of racing, choose the other one. I like both, so I have only one problem: sharing the time between them. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:H90n5.4923$[email hidden]... > > > I didn't post that picture to compare track accuracy or graphicsquality, > > it > > > was more to point out how on my PC the colour scheme in F1 2000doesn't > > look > > > right. The video is actually Martin Brundle driving round Monaco from > > 1989 > > > and can be downloaded herehttp://members.home.net/f1gallery/movies.html

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> > in > > > the complete laps section. :) > > > > And you think the track looks the same after 11 years? > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > Have you ever been to Monaco? Not all that much space to alter the track > a lot there :). > > The exhausts from all the Rollses and Ferraris will take a toll on the > colour scheme, though, I agree. ;) >

Which brings me to a question about the graphics quality of GPL (wow, how's that for a non-sequitar?). Lots of people have talked about how poor the GP3 graphics were, and how much they preferred GPL even. Well, I will admit that GPL has a certain atmosphere, but when I drive around Monaco, the first thing that hits my mind (well, the second, actually... the first is the haybales at the chicane as I fly through upside down) is "Where are all the buildings?". GPL must have one of the most sparse Monacos I have ever seen. Granted, there has been some development since 1967, but if I watch "Grand Prix" or some other period films with Monaco, there seems to still be a fair number of buildings. Did Papyrus perhaps selectively thin out the buildings to boost framerate? Stephen

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> > > It reminds me of Speedvision coverage during this year's Monaco GP - no, > it wasn't a modern-era car: at the beginning of the race (or qual.?) > they showed a qualifying lap with Ayrton Senna. Whoa! Did he know how > to wring everything out of a car! The footage was fantastic, all shaky > and LOUD! Nothing we have on the computer will ever compare to that! >

Not to mention that during the Senna Q-lap you mention, he set his fast lap while working through some traffic. Now *that* is a true indication of the man's genius. That little bit of video really took my breath away at the time. Stephen

> Just on the graphics alone I would agree with your friend. Take a look at > http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Image1.jpg for a comparison between > F12000, GP3 and a real F1 photo. Interesting. Though tough to compare. Since the real one isnt good enough and not exactly a cockpitview (so other perspective). Anyway still interesting. Colors of GP3 are better, but i think the position of the car in F1 2000 is different (more far away from the bridge) than the real photo. So diff to compare. My experience in F12K is also that some tracks are pretty realistic (also with laptimes, for example Austria..) but others are really not, for example Hungary. Thats a pity. I only wonder what the real F1 photo stands for. Which season ? Which car exactly. I dont think this is a 2000 season car (maybe i am wrong?)

I didn't post that picture to compare track accuracy or graphics quality, it was more to point out how on my PC the colour scheme in F1 2000 doesn't look right. The video is actually Martin Brundle driving round Monaco from 1989 and can be downloaded here http://members.home.net/f1gallery/movies.html in the complete laps section. :) "HJ Ventura" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9pZm5.737618$k22.3515588@flipper... > > Interesting. Though tough to compare. Since the real one isnt good enough > and not exactly a cockpitview (so other perspective). Anyway still > interesting. Colors of GP3 are better, but i think the position of the car > in F1 2000 is different (more far away from the bridge) than the realphoto. > So diff to compare. My experience in F12K is also that some tracks are > pretty realistic (also with laptimes, for example Austria..) but othersare > really not, for example Hungary. Thats a pity. > > I only wonder what the real F1 photo stands for. Which season ? Which car > exactly. I dont think this is a 2000 season car (maybe i am wrong?) > >

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H90n5.4923$[email hidden]... > I didn't post that picture to compare track accuracy or graphics quality,it > was more to point out how on my PC the colour scheme in F1 2000 doesn'tlook > right. The video is actually Martin Brundle driving round Monaco from1989 > and can be downloaded here http://members.home.net/f1gallery/movies.htmlin > the complete laps section. :) And you think the track looks the same after 11 years? -- [email hidden]

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> > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:H90n5.4923$[email hidden]... > > I didn't post that picture to compare track accuracy or graphics quality, > it > > was more to point out how on my PC the colour scheme in F1 2000 doesn't > look > > right. The video is actually Martin Brundle driving round Monaco from > 1989 > > and can be downloaded here http://members.home.net/f1gallery/movies.html > in > > the complete laps section. :) > > And you think the track looks the same after 11 years? > -- > > [email hidden]

Have you ever been to Monaco? Not all that much space to alter the track a lot there :). The exhausts from all the Rollses and Ferraris will take a toll on the colour scheme, though, I agree. ;) -Gregor

Yes, it does look remarkably similar today. I've seen Monaco on tv every year for the last 15 years and it hasn't changed much in appearance. Certainly the track surface hasn't changed colour noticeably. It's only used for racing a few days per year, the rest of the year they are normal public roads. What's that saying....a picture says a million words? Take a look at http://www.f1today.com/1999season/round-4/pictures.asp which shows a whole sequence of photos from last years monaco race. The track surface is very clearly light grey. See how bright F1 looks when it's sunny? I think you'd have to admit the F1 2000 colour scheme for Monaco doesn't quite match up to these photos. "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bHan5.5875$[email hidden]... > > And you think the track looks the same after 11 years? > -- > > [email hidden]