Re: Nascar Heat Final Release

Fortunately this is not an EA Sports game. "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HqRm5.107653$A%[email hidden]... > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonnatake > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville orat > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solidcolor > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports?Take > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the otherAI > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment onthis? > > Thanks, > > Sal V. > >

Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna take when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville or at Indy will sure change things. I hope not. Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solid color without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports? Take a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the other AI cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment on this? Thanks, Sal V.

>Can anyone who tested the game comment on this? > > Thanks, > > Sal V. It is demo and demo means not all features from full game are included. They don't want to give you all features. You will have everything when you will buy full game. It would be nonsense to give you demo with full grid, options, and opportunity to add tracks . Noone would buy full version :) -- Pozdrawiam Richie ( Piotr Oblicki ) [email hidden] http://gpl.pulse.pdi.net http://oj.gad.pl

Go back and dload the N2 and ICR2 demo's....how many cars are available there??? You are right to be concerned about frame rates, but it is very common NOT to give away the store with demo's.... dave henrie "Richie ( Piotr O. )" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ngobp$g5d$[email hidden]...

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> >Can anyone who tested the game comment on this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sal V. > > It is demo and demo means not all features from full game are included.

They > don't want to give you all features. You will have everything when youwill

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> buy full game. It would be nonsense to give you demo with full grid, > options, and opportunity to add tracks . Noone would buy full version :) > > > -- > Pozdrawiam > > Richie ( Piotr Oblicki ) > [email hidden] > http://gpl.pulse.pdi.net > http://oj.gad.pl > >

We all wish we could worry about the frame rates at Indy... Marc. "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HqRm5.107653$A%[email hidden]... > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonnatake > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville orat > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solidcolor > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports?Take > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the otherAI > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment onthis? > > Thanks, > > Sal V. > >

Machine spec... PIII-550, 128MB RAM, Voodoo3 3000, no overclocking No higher than 800X600 resolution with the Voodoo3 all options maxed, hi-detail cars... Frame rate test = low 30s hi-detail cars not checked... Frame rate test = low 40s lower draw distance one click... Frame rate test = low 50s 16 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... no noticeable slowdown 24 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... minor slowdown at start and out of T4 (from pit road graphics) 43 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... becomes choppy and harder to drive, remove hi-detail cars with 43 car field and things become much smoother. I've found I prefer a 24-car field using "Pro" AI at this point as I have a much better chance of finishing in the top-20 each race... ;-) As soon as the P4 comes out I'm getting a top-end PIII. If that doesn't allow smooth framerates with everything maxed and full field I'll upgrade the video card. Hmmm... maybe I should try overclocking both first... :-) Conclusion... I was impressed with the results. Given the 6DOF physics model and improved graphic details over N3, these results are quite impressive given some of the newer entrants into the sim arena. MGI/Hasbro did an excellent job optimizing HEAT for maximum performance! And of course the physics model, FF, AI, and gameplay features make HEAT an instant success... IMHO. Dave Ericson "MomoBoy" JDB Racing "Sal V." wrote:

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> > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna take > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville or at > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solid color > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports? Take > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the other AI > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment on this? > > Thanks, > > Sal V.

Yup! I meant Daytona but was thinking Indy. Sal V. "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jsSm5.160842$[email hidden]...

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> We all wish we could worry about the frame rates at Indy... > > Marc. > > "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HqRm5.107653$A%[email hidden]... > > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna > take > > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville or > at > > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solid > color > > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports? > Take > > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the

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> AI > > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment on > this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sal V. > > > > > >

It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at a decent frame rate. Sal V. "David R. Ericson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Machine spec... PIII-550, 128MB RAM, Voodoo3 3000, no overclocking > No higher than 800X600 resolution with the Voodoo3 > > all options maxed, hi-detail cars... Frame rate test = low 30s > hi-detail cars not checked... Frame rate test = low 40s > lower draw distance one click... Frame rate test = low 50s > > 16 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... no noticeable slowdown > 24 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... minor slowdown at start and out

of T4 > (from pit road graphics) > 43 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... becomes choppy and harder todrive, > remove hi-detail cars with 43 car field and things become much smoother. > > I've found I prefer a 24-car field using "Pro" AI at this point as I havea > much better chance of finishing in the top-20 each race... ;-) > > As soon as the P4 comes out I'm getting a top-end PIII. If that doesn'tallow > smooth framerates with everything maxed and full field I'll upgrade thevideo > card. Hmmm... maybe I should try overclocking both first... :-) > > Conclusion... I was impressed with the results. Given the 6DOF physicsmodel > and improved graphic details over N3, these results are quite impressivegiven > some of the newer entrants into the sim arena. MGI/Hasbro did anexcellent job > optimizing HEAT for maximum performance! And of course the physics model,FF,

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> AI, and gameplay features make HEAT an instant success... IMHO. > > Dave Ericson > "MomoBoy" > JDB Racing > > "Sal V." wrote: > > > > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna

take > > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville orat > > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solidcolor > > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports?Take > > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of theother AI > > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment onthis? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sal V.

I'm curious as to what's the big deal about running 43 cars as opposed to 24 (or any other number). I mean that if you're more than 24 cars behind, who cares whether you can see those in the front. It's not like that they will be visible after a few laps on any track anyways....just curious...Personally, I prefer reducing the number of cars in front rather than turning off other things I actually see. There aren't many tracks where you can see all the of the cars in front anyways... Dave "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:X7Um5.107849$A%[email hidden]... > It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at adecent

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> frame rate. > > Sal V. > > "David R. Ericson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Machine spec... PIII-550, 128MB RAM, Voodoo3 3000, no overclocking > > No higher than 800X600 resolution with the Voodoo3 > > > > all options maxed, hi-detail cars... Frame rate test = low 30s > > hi-detail cars not checked... Frame rate test = low 40s > > lower draw distance one click... Frame rate test = low 50s > > > > 16 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... no noticeable slowdown > > 24 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... minor slowdown at start and

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> of T4 > > (from pit road graphics) > > 43 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... becomes choppy and harder to > drive, > > remove hi-detail cars with 43 car field and things become much smoother. > > > > I've found I prefer a 24-car field using "Pro" AI at this point as I

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> a > > much better chance of finishing in the top-20 each race... ;-) > > > > As soon as the P4 comes out I'm getting a top-end PIII. If that doesn't > allow > > smooth framerates with everything maxed and full field I'll upgrade the > video > > card. Hmmm... maybe I should try overclocking both first... :-) > > > > Conclusion... I was impressed with the results. Given the 6DOF physics > model > > and improved graphic details over N3, these results are quite impressive > given > > some of the newer entrants into the sim arena. MGI/Hasbro did an > excellent job > > optimizing HEAT for maximum performance! And of course the physics

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> FF, > > AI, and gameplay features make HEAT an instant success... IMHO. > > > > Dave Ericson > > "MomoBoy" > > JDB Racing > > > > "Sal V." wrote: > > > > > > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna > take > > > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville

or > at > > > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > > > > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars wouldnot

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> > > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solid > color > > > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > > > > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports? > Take > > > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the > other AI > > > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment on > this? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Sal V. > >

Are we talking about cars displayed or the actual number of cars in the race? I'm talking about the actual number of cars starting the race. Yes, I know that most of the time you can't see all 43 or how ever many cars are running at the same time. As long as they are out there running and at a good frame rate. I wouldn't want to race the Daytona-500 with only 16 or 24 cars just because the frame rate sucks using 43. Not very realistic either. Sal V. "Dave St.Onge" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XrUm5.21$[email hidden]... > I'm curious as to what's the big deal about running 43 cars as opposed to24 > (or any other number). I mean that if you're more than 24 cars behind,who > cares whether you can see those in the front. It's not like that theywill

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> be visible after a few laps on any track anyways....just > curious...Personally, I prefer reducing the number of cars in front rather > than turning off other things I actually see. There aren't many tracks > where you can see all the of the cars in front anyways... > > Dave > > "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:X7Um5.107849$A%[email hidden]... > > It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at a > decent > > frame rate. > > > > Sal V. > > > > "David R. Ericson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Machine spec... PIII-550, 128MB RAM, Voodoo3 3000, no overclocking > > > No higher than 800X600 resolution with the Voodoo3 > > > > > > all options maxed, hi-detail cars... Frame rate test = low 30s > > > hi-detail cars not checked... Frame rate test = low 40s > > > lower draw distance one click... Frame rate test = low 50s > > > > > > 16 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... no noticeable slowdown > > > 24 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... minor slowdown at start and > out > > of T4 > > > (from pit road graphics) > > > 43 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... becomes choppy and harder to > > drive, > > > remove hi-detail cars with 43 car field and things become much

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> > > > > > I've found I prefer a 24-car field using "Pro" AI at this point as I > have > > a > > > much better chance of finishing in the top-20 each race... ;-) > > > > > > As soon as the P4 comes out I'm getting a top-end PIII. If that

doesn't > > allow > > > smooth framerates with everything maxed and full field I'll upgradethe > > video > > > card. Hmmm... maybe I should try overclocking both first... :-) > > > > > > Conclusion... I was impressed with the results. Given the 6DOFphysics > > model > > > and improved graphic details over N3, these results are quiteimpressive

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> > given > > > some of the newer entrants into the sim arena. MGI/Hasbro did an > > excellent job > > > optimizing HEAT for maximum performance! And of course the physics > model, > > FF, > > > AI, and gameplay features make HEAT an instant success... IMHO. > > > > > > Dave Ericson > > > "MomoBoy" > > > JDB Racing > > > > > > "Sal V." wrote: > > > > > > > > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is

gonna > > take > > > > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars atMartinsville

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> or > > at > > > > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > > > > > > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would > not > > > > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a

solid > > color > > > > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > > > > > > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EASports? > > Take > > > > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the > > other AI > > > > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game commenton

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> > this? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Sal V. > > > > > >

Sal, Then I guess we have yet to see a new sim (meaning new graphics and physics engines) be a success in your book? I can't think of any new sims that, at the time of release, I could run at full song with a 1+ year old machine. The fact is that game developers design games to look and play best with the current best hardware, and in most cases current technology isn't always enough to run at full song. This makes sense to some degree because the game will have longer staying power. HEAT comes the closest to being able to play at full song of any new sim I've ever purchased at release date or soon thereafter. In case you were thinking about them, you can't really count sims like N99/N3 as they weren't major upgrades from N2, IMHO. I am confident in saying that a PIII-800 (or equivalent CPU) with a GeForce II or Voodoo5 5500 should run HEAT at full song with no problems. It is rare for a game manufacturer to release a game that will run at full song, and no slow down, with even current technology. Given the above, and the fact that this IS a ground-breaking NASCAR sim... I'm impressed! Dave "Sal V." wrote:

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> > It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at a decent > frame rate. > > Sal V. > > "David R. Ericson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Machine spec... PIII-550, 128MB RAM, Voodoo3 3000, no overclocking > > No higher than 800X600 resolution with the Voodoo3 > > > > all options maxed, hi-detail cars... Frame rate test = low 30s > > hi-detail cars not checked... Frame rate test = low 40s > > lower draw distance one click... Frame rate test = low 50s > > > > 16 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... no noticeable slowdown > > 24 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... minor slowdown at start and out > of T4 > > (from pit road graphics) > > 43 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... becomes choppy and harder to > drive, > > remove hi-detail cars with 43 car field and things become much smoother. > > > > I've found I prefer a 24-car field using "Pro" AI at this point as I have > a > > much better chance of finishing in the top-20 each race... ;-) > > > > As soon as the P4 comes out I'm getting a top-end PIII. If that doesn't > allow > > smooth framerates with everything maxed and full field I'll upgrade the > video > > card. Hmmm... maybe I should try overclocking both first... :-) > > > > Conclusion... I was impressed with the results. Given the 6DOF physics > model > > and improved graphic details over N3, these results are quite impressive > given > > some of the newer entrants into the sim arena. MGI/Hasbro did an > excellent job > > optimizing HEAT for maximum performance! And of course the physics model, > FF, > > AI, and gameplay features make HEAT an instant success... IMHO. > > > > Dave Ericson > > "MomoBoy" > > JDB Racing > > > > "Sal V." wrote: > > > > > > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna > take > > > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville or > at > > > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > > > > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > > > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solid > color > > > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > > > > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports? > Take > > > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the > other AI > > > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment on > this? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Sal V.

Oh, forgot to mention... You CAN run a full field with great frame rates. Just turn off high-detail cars (won't make a great visible difference), and lower the draw distance down one notch. I gained a full 20fps making these two changes on my system. Your mileage may vary. :-) Dave "David R. Ericson" wrote:

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> > Sal, > > Then I guess we have yet to see a new sim (meaning new graphics and physics > engines) be a success in your book? I can't think of any new sims that, at the > time of release, I could run at full song with a 1+ year old machine. The fact > is that game developers design games to look and play best with the current > best hardware, and in most cases current technology isn't always enough to run > at full song. This makes sense to some degree because the game will have > longer staying power. HEAT comes the closest to being able to play at full > song of any new sim I've ever purchased at release date or soon thereafter. In > case you were thinking about them, you can't really count sims like N99/N3 as > they weren't major upgrades from N2, IMHO. > > I am confident in saying that a PIII-800 (or equivalent CPU) with a GeForce II > or Voodoo5 5500 should run HEAT at full song with no problems. It is rare for > a game manufacturer to release a game that will run at full song, and no slow > down, with even current technology. > > Given the above, and the fact that this IS a ground-breaking NASCAR sim... I'm > impressed! > > Dave > > "Sal V." wrote: > > > > It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at a decent > > frame rate. > > > > Sal V. > > > > "David R. Ericson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Machine spec... PIII-550, 128MB RAM, Voodoo3 3000, no overclocking > > > No higher than 800X600 resolution with the Voodoo3 > > > > > > all options maxed, hi-detail cars... Frame rate test = low 30s > > > hi-detail cars not checked... Frame rate test = low 40s > > > lower draw distance one click... Frame rate test = low 50s > > > > > > 16 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... no noticeable slowdown > > > 24 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... minor slowdown at start and out > > of T4 > > > (from pit road graphics) > > > 43 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... becomes choppy and harder to > > drive, > > > remove hi-detail cars with 43 car field and things become much smoother. > > > > > > I've found I prefer a 24-car field using "Pro" AI at this point as I have > > a > > > much better chance of finishing in the top-20 each race... ;-) > > > > > > As soon as the P4 comes out I'm getting a top-end PIII. If that doesn't > > allow > > > smooth framerates with everything maxed and full field I'll upgrade the > > video > > > card. Hmmm... maybe I should try overclocking both first... :-) > > > > > > Conclusion... I was impressed with the results. Given the 6DOF physics > > model > > > and improved graphic details over N3, these results are quite impressive > > given > > > some of the newer entrants into the sim arena. MGI/Hasbro did an > > excellent job > > > optimizing HEAT for maximum performance! And of course the physics model, > > FF, > > > AI, and gameplay features make HEAT an instant success... IMHO. > > > > > > Dave Ericson > > > "MomoBoy" > > > JDB Racing > > > > > > "Sal V." wrote: > > > > > > > > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna > > take > > > > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville or > > at > > > > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > > > > > > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > > > > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solid > > color > > > > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > > > > > > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports? > > Take > > > > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the > > other AI > > > > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment on > > this? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Sal V.

They can't have a full field. They only got 29 cars or something like that. Missing a bunch of tracks too. -- Todd S "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HqRm5.107653$A%[email hidden]... > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna take > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville or at > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solid color > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports? Take > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the other AI > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment on this? > > Thanks, > > Sal V. > >

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:10:31 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at adecent > >frame rate. > > > >Sal V. > > > Have you run Nascar 3 or F1-2000 or GPL? What's that supposed to mean?

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> >"David R. Ericson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> Machine spec... PIII-550, 128MB RAM, Voodoo3 3000, no overclocking > >> No higher than 800X600 resolution with the Voodoo3 > >> > >> all options maxed, hi-detail cars... Frame rate test = low 30s > >> hi-detail cars not checked... Frame rate test = low 40s > >> lower draw distance one click... Frame rate test = low 50s > >> > >> 16 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... no noticeable slowdown > >> 24 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... minor slowdown at start and

out > >of T4 > >> (from pit road graphics) > >> 43 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... becomes choppy and harder to > >drive, > >> remove hi-detail cars with 43 car field and things become muchsmoother. > >> > >> I've found I prefer a 24-car field using "Pro" AI at this point as Ihave > >a > >> much better chance of finishing in the top-20 each race... ;-) > >> > >> As soon as the P4 comes out I'm getting a top-end PIII. If thatdoesn't

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> >allow > >> smooth framerates with everything maxed and full field I'll upgrade the > >video > >> card. Hmmm... maybe I should try overclocking both first... :-) > >> > >> Conclusion... I was impressed with the results. Given the 6DOF physics > >model > >> and improved graphic details over N3, these results are quite

impressive > >given > >> some of the newer entrants into the sim arena. MGI/Hasbro did an > >excellent job > >> optimizing HEAT for maximum performance! And of course the physicsmodel,

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> >FF, > >> AI, and gameplay features make HEAT an instant success... IMHO. > >> > >> Dave Ericson > >> "MomoBoy" > >> JDB Racing > >> > >> "Sal V." wrote: > >> > > >> > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is

gonna > >take > >> > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsvilleor > >at > >> > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > >> > > >> > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars wouldnot > >> > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just asolid > >color > >> > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > >> > > >> > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EASports? > >Take > >> > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the > >other AI > >> > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game commenton

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> >this? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > > >> > Sal V. > > >

Here are a few for starters: F1 World Grand Prix -Edios 32 bit color 1280x1024 all options maxed GP500 -Microprose 32 bit color 1024x768 all options maxed Toca-II (not sure about the engine but I think it's new) same as above Superbike 2000 -EA Sports 1280x1024 all options maxed SCGT -EA 1024x768 all options maxed F1RS -Ubisoft Viper Racing -Sierra Sal V. Those are the sims I think of off the top of my head. "David R. Ericson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Sal, > > Then I guess we have yet to see a new sim (meaning new graphics andphysics > engines) be a success in your book? I can't think of any new sims that,at the > time of release, I could run at full song with a 1+ year old machine.

Yes, what is that supposed to mean? Sal V. "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Zi_m5.51760$[email hidden]...

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> > > "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:10:31 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at a > decent > > >frame rate. > > > > > >Sal V. > > > > > Have you run Nascar 3 or F1-2000 or GPL? > > What's that supposed to mean? > > > > >"David R. Ericson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> Machine spec... PIII-550, 128MB RAM, Voodoo3 3000, no overclocking > > >> No higher than 800X600 resolution with the Voodoo3 > > >> > > >> all options maxed, hi-detail cars... Frame rate test = low 30s > > >> hi-detail cars not checked... Frame rate test = low 40s > > >> lower draw distance one click... Frame rate test = low 50s > > >> > > >> 16 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... no noticeable slowdown > > >> 24 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... minor slowdown at start and > out > > >of T4 > > >> (from pit road graphics) > > >> 43 car field, options maxed, hi-detail... becomes choppy and harder

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> > >drive, > > >> remove hi-detail cars with 43 car field and things become much > smoother. > > >> > > >> I've found I prefer a 24-car field using "Pro" AI at this point as I > have > > >a > > >> much better chance of finishing in the top-20 each race... ;-) > > >> > > >> As soon as the P4 comes out I'm getting a top-end PIII. If that > doesn't > > >allow > > >> smooth framerates with everything maxed and full field I'll upgrade

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> > >model > > >> and improved graphic details over N3, these results are quite > impressive > > >given > > >> some of the newer entrants into the sim arena. MGI/Hasbro did an > > >excellent job > > >> optimizing HEAT for maximum performance! And of course the physics > model, > > >FF, > > >> AI, and gameplay features make HEAT an instant success... IMHO. > > >> > > >> Dave Ericson > > >> "MomoBoy" > > >> JDB Racing > > >> > > >> "Sal V." wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is > gonna > > >take > > >> > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at

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> not > > >> > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a > solid > > >color > > >> > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > >> > > > >> > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA > Sports? > > >Take > > >> > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the > > >other AI > > >> > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment > on > > >this? > > >> > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > > > >> > Sal V. > > > > > > >

Amen! Sal V. "CoconutMonkey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:m0Xm5.35435$[email hidden]...

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> Fortunately this is not an EA Sports game. > > "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HqRm5.107653$A%[email hidden]... > > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna > take > > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville or > at > > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solid > color > > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports? > Take > > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the

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> AI > > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment on > this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sal V. > > > > > > >

rrevved wrote in message ... >I am just glad they have a demo. And it's a pretty nice demo at that. >Certainly the best demo I have ever seen for a racing sim. I just wish they had included an extra track and the ability to race as many laps as we wanted, just like in Dirt Track Racing. Still, NH is the most impressive sim I've seen for quite some time. Bendito;

DOH! Is this for real? Have to be honest, I haven't paid much attention to this prior to the demo release. Good God, let's hope the West bros. can deliver on WSC or its curtains on my sim-racing career. ::) In article <kh_m5.51759$[email hidden]>, "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote: > They can't have a full field. They only got 29 cars or something likethat.

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> Missing a bunch of tracks too. > > -- > Todd S > > "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HqRm5.107653$A%[email hidden]... > > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is

gonna > take > > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars atMartinsville or > at > > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra carswould not > > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just asolid > color > > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EASports? > Take > > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of theother > AI > > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game commenton

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I have no idea what you are talking about. > >It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at adecent > >frame rate. > > > >Sal V. > > > Have you run Nascar 3 or F1-2000 or GPL?

Right, whatever. Every time someome says that, it usually means they don't know what the hell they're talking about either. Sal V. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:11:53 GMT, "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]>wrote:

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> > > > > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:10:31 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at a > >decent > >> >frame rate. > >> > > >> >Sal V. > >> > > >> Have you run Nascar 3 or F1-2000 or GPL? > > > >What's that supposed to mean? > > > If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand it. > >

Hmmmm....don't recal N3 having a full 43 car lineup of actual drivers straight out of the box and it too was missing 'a bunch' of tracks - Indy, Pocono and Daytona. If you guys want to cry about that sort of missing realism you should complain to NASCAR its affiliations, not MGI. Im sure MGI would have been overjoyed to box every name with their game. The only critisism you can have toward a developer is how easily (or not) they make their game to modify. Todd Sorensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kh_m5.51759$[email hidden]... > They can't have a full field. They only got 29 cars or something likethat.

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> Missing a bunch of tracks too. > > -- > Todd S > > "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HqRm5.107653$A%[email hidden]... > > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna > take > > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville or > at > > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solid > color > > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports? > Take > > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the

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I totally agree with you there. No argument at all, but here's where I'm coming from. Why not release the demo with a full field? Let us try the real deal. I'm running the demo at 1280x1024, all graphics maxed and got a 52.2 fps after the benchmark, what would I get with 43 total cars??? Beats me, go buy the full release and find out, right? This is what my original post was about. OK what if I get 20 fps after benchmark? Oh, Ok, cut down the field, run the Daytona-500 with 16 cars. Cut down on the resolution, cut down the graphic details and upgrade my computer. Nascar Heat wouldn't be so great after all of that, would it? This is all speculation anyway. Again, that's why I made the post in hope that someone who tested the game could enlighten me. Sal V. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:37:39 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Right, whatever. Every time someome says that, it usually means theydon't

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> >know what the hell they're talking about either. > > > >Sal V. > > > > Sal, Sal, Sal... > > Do you own F1-2000, Sal? If so, fire it up with a full field > and try it out. Get back to us with the results. > > Were you here when GPL was released? If not, ask > around here how many people were able to run a > full field with "decent" frame rates. The answer will > be ... nobody could. > > Same with GP2, N2, etc., etc. > > Here's a tip, Sal. You can believe it or don't. Full fields > cause -lots- of slowdown with recently released, hard-core > racing sims. > > hth > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:11:53 GMT, "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> > >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > >> >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> >news:[email hidden]... > >> >> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:10:31 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at

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> >> >decent > >> >> >frame rate. > >> >> > > >> >> >Sal V. > >> >> > > >> >> Have you run Nascar 3 or F1-2000 or GPL? > >> > > >> >What's that supposed to mean? > >> > > >> If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand it. > >> > >> > > >

"Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EQ_m5.109040$A%[email hidden]... > Here are a few for starters: > > F1 World Grand Prix -Edios 32 bit color 1280x1024 all options maxed Not really that pretty considering the claim of 32-bit graphics. Hardly a hardcore driving model chewing up valuable cpu cycles. NH is smoother for me and looks a hell of a lot better. > Toca-II (not sure about the engine but I think it's new) same as above Not a real sim either, and ugly graphics to boot. > SCGT -EA 1024x768 all options maxed Almost no cpu cycles dedicated to AI since they are dumb asses that just run the perfect line all day and have no idea you are also on the track. Very choppy around turns and severe draw-in in the distance. This engine is a graphics dog (as is the F12K which uses this code) and MGI blows it away with NH. Also, with only 16 cars on the track this is not exactly a full fieild for racing. > Viper Racing -Sierra 8 other cars is nowhere near a full field so not a fair comparison. Not the best AI (sadly). They seem to not know you are actually on the same track and run into you quite often without explanation. This game was real close to being great if it had real race tracks and better AI. I think NH has great physics, great graphics AND great AI. This makes it unique in my opinion since its gorgeous, realistic and smart. A rare combo that runs fast as hell on my system. Joe Marques

L_NiN0 wrote: > > Hmmmm....don't recal N3 having a full 43 car lineup of actual drivers > straight out of the box and it too was missing 'a bunch' of tracks - Indy, > Pocono and Daytona. Errrrm... N3 certainly *did* have Indy! That was one of the reasons I got it. -- Chuck Kandler Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

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> On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:21:19 GMT, "Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I have no idea what you are talking about. > > > > > >> >It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at a > >decent > >> >frame rate. > >> > > >> >Sal V. > >> > > >> Have you run Nascar 3 or F1-2000 or GPL? > > > > > > Maybe this will help. Have you tried running with a full field in F1-2000? > > If you haven't, you wouldn't understand my point at all. > Suffice to say, F1-2000 with full field is VERY slow on -any- system. >

The wording is something like 27 of the most recognizable drivers....not ONLY 27 drivers You'll probably see a bunch of unknown names like old friends of MGI and perhaps even the legendary RacerX. As far as tracks go, Does even N3 have ALL the Winston Cup tracks? dave henrie "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > L_NiN0 wrote: > > > > Hmmmm....don't recal N3 having a full 43 car lineup of actual drivers > > straight out of the box and it too was missing 'a bunch' of tracks -Indy,

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>Have to be honest, I haven't paid much >attention to this prior to the demo release. Good God, let's hope the >West bros. can deliver on WSC or its curtains on my sim-racing >career. ::) > >In article <kh_m5.51759$[email hidden]>, > "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> They can't have a full field. They only got 29 cars or something like >that. >> Missing a bunch of tracks too. >> >> -- >> Todd S >> >> "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:HqRm5.107653$A%[email hidden]... >> > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is >gonna >> take >> > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at >Martinsville or >> at >> > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. >> > >> > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars >would not >> > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a >solid >> color >> > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? >> > >> > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA >Sports? >> Take >> > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the >other >> AI >> > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment >on >> this? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Sal V. >> > >> > >> >> > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

I guess the word demo escapes some people. 'Demo', stands for demonstration. A demonstration is a short snippit of the real thing to intice you into purchasing it. It worked for me and i would have accepted a demo with only one track and no AI to race against......oh wait.....didn't GPL do that already? Vintook "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ui1n5.109457$A%[email hidden]... > I totally agree with you there. No argument at all, but here's where I'm > coming from. Why not release the demo with a full field? Let us try thereal > deal. I'm running the demo at 1280x1024, all graphics maxed and got a 52.2 > fps after the benchmark, what would I get with 43 total cars??? Beats me,go > buy the full release and find out, right? This is what my original postwas > about. OK what if I get 20 fps after benchmark? Oh, Ok, cut down thefield, > run the Daytona-500 with 16 cars. Cut down on the resolution, cut down the > graphic details and upgrade my computer. Nascar Heat wouldn't be so great > after all of that, would it? This is all speculation anyway. Again, that's > why I made the post in hope that someone who tested the game couldenlighten

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> me. > > Sal V. > > "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:37:39 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Right, whatever. Every time someome says that, it usually means they > don't > > >know what the hell they're talking about either. > > > > > >Sal V. > > > > > > > Sal, Sal, Sal... > > > > Do you own F1-2000, Sal? If so, fire it up with a full field > > and try it out. Get back to us with the results. > > > > Were you here when GPL was released? If not, ask > > around here how many people were able to run a > > full field with "decent" frame rates. The answer will > > be ... nobody could. > > > > Same with GP2, N2, etc., etc. > > > > Here's a tip, Sal. You can believe it or don't. Full fields > > cause -lots- of slowdown with recently released, hard-core > > racing sims. > > > > hth > > > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:11:53 GMT, "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> > > >wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >> >news:[email hidden]... > > >> >> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:10:31 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]>

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> A demonstration is a short snippit of the real thing to intice you into > purchasing it. It worked for me and i would have accepted a demo with only > one track and no AI to race against......oh wait.....didn't GPL do that > already? > > Vintook > > "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ui1n5.109457$A%[email hidden]... > > I totally agree with you there. No argument at all, but here's where I'm > > coming from. Why not release the demo with a full field? Let us try the > real > > deal. I'm running the demo at 1280x1024, all graphics maxed and got a

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> > why I made the post in hope that someone who tested the game could > enlighten > > me. > > > > Sal V. > > > > "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:37:39 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Right, whatever. Every time someome says that, it usually means they > > don't > > > >know what the hell they're talking about either. > > > > > > > >Sal V. > > > > > > > > > > Sal, Sal, Sal... > > > > > > Do you own F1-2000, Sal? If so, fire it up with a full field > > > and try it out. Get back to us with the results. > > > > > > Were you here when GPL was released? If not, ask > > > around here how many people were able to run a > > > full field with "decent" frame rates. The answer will > > > be ... nobody could. > > > > > > Same with GP2, N2, etc., etc. > > > > > > Here's a tip, Sal. You can believe it or don't. Full fields > > > cause -lots- of slowdown with recently released, hard-core > > > racing sims. > > > > > > hth > > > > > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > >news:[email hidden]... > > > >> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:11:53 GMT, "Todd Sorensen"

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> On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:45:05 GMT, "Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >and N3? > > > > N3 is still slow on my system with a full field and all cars visible. > I have a PIII-600/V5-5500/256mb.

Who in the hell runs N3 with all the cars visible? I just do 8 or 10 in front and 4 in the rear and the framerate is great. So IMHO N3 is not a valid example. F1 2000 is the same, I don't display the full field either. But the full field is there. I get 25 fps in practice and 15-20 in races. -- [email hidden] > Does N3 ever slow down on yours under these circumstances? > What type of system do you have that is so powerful? > > > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:21:19 GMT, "Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >I have no idea what you are talking about. > >> > > >> > > >> >> >It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field at a > >> >decent > >> >> >frame rate. > >> >> > > >> >> >Sal V. > >> >> > > >> >> Have you run Nascar 3 or F1-2000 or GPL? > >> > > >> > > >> > >> Maybe this will help. Have you tried running with a full field in F1-2000? > >> > >> If you haven't, you wouldn't understand my point at all. > >> Suffice to say, F1-2000 with full field is VERY slow on -any- system. > >> > > >

I used to run N3 on a PIII650 & Voodoo-2 SLI @ 1204x768 (no anti-aliasing) with a all 43 cars drawn in the front, 4 in the back, 5 cars heard and got a solid 30fps at all tracks. I now run it in D3D on a Athlon-800 and GeForce-2 GTS @ 1024x768 and exact same optins with the exact same results. Running on a 3Dfx card(s) in glide has always looked better though. Sal V. "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rFan5.5871$[email hidden]...

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> "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:45:05 GMT, "Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >and N3? > > > > > > > N3 is still slow on my system with a full field and all cars visible. > > I have a PIII-600/V5-5500/256mb. > > Who in the hell runs N3 with all the cars visible? I just do 8 or 10 > in front and 4 in the rear and the framerate is great. So IMHO > N3 is not a valid example. F1 2000 is the same, I don't display > the full field either. But the full field is there. I get 25 fps in > practice and 15-20 in races. > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > > > Does N3 ever slow down on yours under these circumstances? > > What type of system do you have that is so powerful? > > > > > > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:21:19 GMT, "Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> > > >> >I have no idea what you are talking about. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> >It won't be a sucess in my book if I can't run with a full field

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> > I totally agree with you there. No argument at all, but here's where I'm > coming from. Why not release the demo with a full field? Let us try the real > deal. I'm running the demo at 1280x1024, all graphics maxed and got a 52.2 > fps after the benchmark, what would I get with 43 total cars??? Beats me, go > buy the full release and find out, right? This is what my original post was > about. OK what if I get 20 fps after benchmark? Oh, Ok, cut down the field, > run the Daytona-500 with 16 cars. Cut down on the resolution, cut down the > graphic details and upgrade my computer. Nascar Heat wouldn't be so great > after all of that, would it? This is all speculation anyway. Again, that's > why I made the post in hope that someone who tested the game could enlighten > me. >

That's exactly what I did Sal... I tested the game and gave you the numbers I got with my system, plus even made suggestions on what I consider to be 2 minor changes to get an extra 20 fps in order to race a full 43 car field smoothly! <please read my original reply to you again> If you're getting 52.2 fps on the benchmark, you should have no problems with a full field in the release at the same graphic settings. I actually got worse benchmark results in the demo than I did with the beta I tested, but that's because my suggestion to make a more realistic benchmark was taken into account (or they already had plans to make the benchmark more realistic). The original benchmark in the Beta was Earnhardt coming out of the pits going nuts doing donuts and stuff. No other cars running on the track, just the other AI cars sitting in the pits watching Earnhardt do his stuff. Amusing, but not a realistic benchmark. I'm glad they changed the benchmark to on-track racing with many cars in front coming out of T4. Hope I've been of some help to you, and at least eased your concerns regarding frame rates with a full field. Dave Ericson "MomoBoy" JDB Racing

> I used to run N3 on a PIII650 & Voodoo-2 SLI @ 1204x768 (no anti-aliasing) > with a all 43 cars drawn in the front, 4 in the back, 5 cars heard and gota > solid 30fps at all tracks. I now run it in D3D on a Athlon-800 andGeForce-2 > GTS @ 1024x768 and exact same optins with the exact same results. Runningon > a 3Dfx card(s) in glide has always looked better though. > > Sal V. Same here, I can run full fields all cars in view and not lose framerate at any track....been doing it since N3 came out. <shrug> P3-700, V3 3000, 256mb

Please don't make me repeat myself because I hate to do that! In a word, YES! Try turning off the VSYNC and I'm sure you'll get there! Oh by the way I also had the same results when I once had a Voodoo-3 3500 in the PIII650. It's all about tweek'n brutha. Sal V. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:23:15 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I used to run N3 on a PIII650 & Voodoo-2 SLI @ 1204x768 (noanti-aliasing) > >with a all 43 cars drawn in the front, 4 in the back, 5 cars heard andgot a > >solid 30fps at all tracks. I now run it in D3D on a Athlon-800 andGeForce-2 > >GTS @ 1024x768 and exact same optins with the exact same results. Runningon

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:35:36 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >N3 is still slow on my system with a full field and all cars visible. >I have a PIII-600/V5-5500/256mb. > >Does N3 ever slow down on yours under these circumstances? >What type of system do you have that is so powerful? I never get a slowdown Ed. P3 800, V5 5500, 256mb ram. Get a faster cpu. -- Nos

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:35:36 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >N3 is still slow on my system with a full field and all cars visible. >I have a PIII-600/V5-5500/256mb. Sorry Ed. I don't run all cars visible. 12 in front, 4 behind. -- Nos

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:17:09 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]>wrote: > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Cool, but you will have ALL cars visible in N4, unless > the retail is different from the demo. Are you talking about NH or N4 not having a feature allowing you to turn off cars (i.e., run with less than a full field)? If you are talking about N4, where the hell did you get the demo! ;-). Joe Marques

You can run full 43 car fields in Heat, but you are correct in that not all the drivers are real WC drivers... licensing issues. Heat is not missing a bunch of tracks. Only tracks missing are IMS and Pocono... again licensing issues. Considering this is MGI/Hasbro's first venture into NASCAR simulations, they did a pretty good job on the licensing side. It could have been worse, like say 15 drivers and half the tracks? Anyone remember an expansion pack for Nascar Racing that came out months after the original release? How many Nascar games can you name that have included all but 2 tracks on the WC schedule, and also included Daytona on the original released CD? :-) Dave Ericson "MomoBoy" JDB Racing Todd Sorensen wrote:

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> > They can't have a full field. They only got 29 cars or something like that. > Missing a bunch of tracks too. > > -- > Todd S > > "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HqRm5.107653$A%[email hidden]... > > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna > take > > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville or > at > > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solid > color > > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports? > Take > > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the other > AI > > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment on > this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sal V. > > > >

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:15:40 -0400, "David R. Ericson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Heat is not missing a bunch of tracks. Only tracks missing are IMS and >Pocono... again licensing issues. I would guess that the cost of licensing Daytona and Indy are quite expensive, and more than likely there were only funds to license one of the tracks in the production budget. As for Pocono, they are just plain greedy idiots.

He's talking about NH and the # of cars visible ahead of you. NH will allow you to choose from a few different sized fields (like 16, 24 or 43 cars... can't remember any other choices off the top of my head), but will not let you choose how many cars are visible in front or behind you. Basically, what you choose for the field size is what you get on the track in your view. Dave Ericson "MomoBoy" JDB Racing Joe Marques wrote:

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> > "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:17:09 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > Cool, but you will have ALL cars visible in N4, unless > > the retail is different from the demo. > > Are you talking about NH or N4 not having a feature allowing you to turn off > cars (i.e., run with less than a full field)? If you are talking about N4, > where the hell did you get the demo! ;-). > > Joe Marques

In article <[email hidden]>, "David R. Ericson" <[email hidden]> writes: >I am confident in saying that a PIII-800 (or equivalent CPU) with a GeForce >II >or Voodoo5 5500 should run HEAT at full song with no problems. It is rare >for >a game manufacturer to release a game that will run at full song, and no slow >down, with even current technology. Well, it USED to happen...long ago... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Errr... There are 27 real WC drivers in the game out of the box, and the only WC tracks missing are Indy and Pocono. -- ================== Psicosis Psicosis* on WON Lurker Extraordinaire Todd Sorensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kh_m5.51759$[email hidden]... > They can't have a full field. They only got 29 cars or something like that. > Missing a bunch of tracks too. > > -- > Todd S > > "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HqRm5.107653$A%[email hidden]... > > Is anyone else concerned about what kind of frame rate hit NH is gonna > take > > when there is a full field of cars out there? 43 cars at Martinsville or > at > > Indy will sure change things. I hope not. > > > > Why doesn't the demo have a full field of cars? The extra cars would not > > have made the file size much bigger, they could have been just a solid > color > > without fancy paint jobs. I wonder why only 16 cars??? > > > > I don't mean to sound so negative but remember F1-2000 from EA Sports? > Take > > a few laps out there by yourself and it's very fast, add all of the other > AI > > cars and it all goes to hell.Can anyone who tested the game comment on > this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sal V. > > > > > >

I don't care if you designed the first space shuttle buddy. All your talk is just that "talk". I have no reason to lie about something to do with video games Jack. What I see is what I see, like it or not. I bet you tried turning off the Vsync anyway and it worked. Vsync even makes a difference right now as I type this. I just turned it off, started a race at the back of the pack at Martinsville, and as soon as we made our way into the first corner, under yellow mind you, the fps dropped to 26-25. Now I turn off Vsync, go back and do the same thing and the FPS never, I REPEAT NEVER drops below 30. The same thing happened with my PIII650 & V2 SLI when I had it. It must be real hard for you to grasp this what with all of your BS experience that means absolutely nothing. But whatever, I'm get'n real tired of wasting my time trying to educate you on how to config & tweak a gaming PC. Where you responsible for OS2 and DR. DOS? Wow you must be real proud. Sal V. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:31:57 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Please don't make me repeat myself because I hate to do that! In a word, > >YES! Try turning off the VSYNC and I'm sure you'll get there! Oh by theway > >I also had the same results when I once had a Voodoo-3 3500 in thePIII650.

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> >It's all about tweek'n brutha. > > > >Sal V. > > > > Heh.. I'm pretty hip to tweaking, 'brutha'. > > I have been playing PC and Amiga games/sims since 1981. I am also > retired from 30 years as an IBM Corporation Systems Engineer. > During that time, I developed and tuned high-performance > Systems Software. I was assigned to various IBM Corp. > development groups and labs. Palo Alto, Boca Raton, Menlo Park, > etc. > > Now, back to N3: > > VSync on or off has NOTHING to do with the framerates > in N3, since the framerate is limited to 30fps. Your monitor > even if it is a pathetic one, refreshes at least at 60hz (60fps). > N3 is only slapping a framebuffer on your screen every 2 > refresh cycles. > > FYI, Vsync on/off only comes into play when your framerate > exceeds your refresh rate. Like in Quake for example, > where FPS is commonly greater than 60fps. > > Now your brain is full. > > Here's the bottom line: > > You ain't getting the results you stated with the system you stated. > You are mistaken. > > *p-l-o- > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:23:15 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >I used to run N3 on a PIII650 & Voodoo-2 SLI @ 1204x768 (no > >anti-aliasing) > >> >with a all 43 cars drawn in the front, 4 in the back, 5 cars heard and > >got a > >> >solid 30fps at all tracks. I now run it in D3D on a Athlon-800 and > >GeForce-2 > >> >GTS @ 1024x768 and exact same optins with the exact same results.

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You're welcome. I'm not surprised you love the V5, it's an easy card to love. Of course we're just a pair of idiot 3dfx zealots so what the hell do we know ;-). Have fun. -- Joe Marques Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:49:13 GMT, "Joe Marques" <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > Hey, thanks for the info on the V5. I got mine and > love it!

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:15:40 -0400, "David R. Ericson" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Considering this is MGI/Hasbro's first venture into NASCAR simulations, they >did a pretty good job on the licensing side. It could have been worse, like >say 15 drivers and half the tracks? Anyone remember an expansion pack for >Nascar Racing that came out months after the original release? How many Nascar >games can you name that have included all but 2 tracks on the WC schedule, and >also included Daytona on the original released CD? :-) I remember having to pay for an exapnsion to Indycar that included Indianapolis and a paintkit. Woohoo! All that for only $30.00 too. ;-) -- Nos

No offense 'rrevved' but VSYNC does have an effect, albeit a small one, on frame rates in N3. I've tested it both ways extensively. I have a similar system to Sal and I can confirm that it is possible to have framerates that never drop below 30 even with a full field of 43, all cars being drawn, 1024x768, etc etc. I respect you for your background and education sir, but I'm afraid you might be wrong on this issue. I will respect you much more if you admit you might be wrong on this point, then if you try to argue that Sal is lying when I have seen proof on my very own system that he is correct. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:31:57 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Please don't make me repeat myself because I hate to do that! In a word, > >YES! Try turning off the VSYNC and I'm sure you'll get there! Oh by theway > >I also had the same results when I once had a Voodoo-3 3500 in thePIII650.

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On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:27:15 GMT, "Sal V." <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Where >you responsible for OS2 and DR. DOS? Wow you must be real proud. I believe Palo Alto is where Steve jobs got the idea for the Apple/Mac OS from. -- Nos

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:57:11 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: >>with a all 43 cars drawn in the front, 4 in the back, 5 cars heard and got a >Let me make sure I understand. You say on a PIII-650, and a V2-SLI, >at 1024x768, you got a solid 30fps in N3, with -no- slowdown at -any- >track with -43- cars drawn ahead? I am also assuming you have >full detail graphics. Right? He must always be on pole and never drive anything else than 5% races at Tally ;)