Re: GPL Monza tips?

On Fri 18 Aug 2000 07:49:51pm, Martin Chapman wrote: >Hi all >I really enjoy vroc racing and this Sim. Not being a Schumacher I >struggle to get on the pace. Try as I might I cannot get under 1.30 >at Monza has anyone any hot tips such as where it is crucial (which >corners?, Which car, setups?) to be quick to get under 1.30. I'm no hotshoe (best 1:28.59 - you need to be well into the 1:27s to even get in Schubi's top 100), but here's a few tips: 1) The Lotus outdoes everything else - Monza demands high speeds and precise handling, which is Lotus all over. 2) Setups - try anything you can get your hands on (The US/Norway Pits have a great zip-bundle with lots of setups). 3) Corners - The Lesmos are crucial, especially the exit to the second one. A good run out of there helps no end. And taking a fiarly tight line into the Parabolica, then trailbraking around it and sliding slightly out before you get back on the power seems to work well. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.17) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh) The GPL Scrapyard - mangled wrecks from http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

Hi all I really enjoy vroc racing and this Sim. Not being a Schumacher I struggle to get on the pace. Try as I might I cannot get under 1.30 at Monza has anyone any hot tips such as where it is crucial (which corners?, Which car, setups?) to be quick to get under 1.30. All tips much appreciated Cheers Martin

Cheers David I really do seem to lose time in the Lesmos section so I will try to experiment here. Thanks a lot Martin "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri 18 Aug 2000 07:49:51pm, Martin Chapman wrote: > > >Hi all > >I really enjoy vroc racing and this Sim. Not being a Schumacher I > >struggle to get on the pace. Try as I might I cannot get under 1.30 > >at Monza has anyone any hot tips such as where it is crucial (which > >corners?, Which car, setups?) to be quick to get under 1.30. > > I'm no hotshoe (best 1:28.59 - you need to be well into the 1:27s to > even get in Schubi's top 100), but here's a few tips: > > 1) The Lotus outdoes everything else - Monza demands high speeds and > precise handling, which is Lotus all over. > 2) Setups - try anything you can get your hands on (The US/Norway Pits > have a great zip-bundle with lots of setups). > 3) Corners - The Lesmos are crucial, especially the exit to the second > one. A good run out of there helps no end. And taking a fiarly tight > line into the Parabolica, then trailbraking around it and sliding > slightly out before you get back on the power seems to work well. > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.17) > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh) > The GPL Scrapyard - mangled wrecks from http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

On 18 Aug 2000 20:44:36 GMT, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote:

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>On Fri 18 Aug 2000 07:49:51pm, Martin Chapman wrote: > >>Hi all >>I really enjoy vroc racing and this Sim. Not being a Schumacher I >>struggle to get on the pace. Try as I might I cannot get under 1.30 >>at Monza has anyone any hot tips such as where it is crucial (which >>corners?, Which car, setups?) to be quick to get under 1.30. > >I'm no hotshoe (best 1:28.59 - you need to be well into the 1:27s to >even get in Schubi's top 100), but here's a few tips: > >1) The Lotus outdoes everything else - Monza demands high speeds and >precise handling, which is Lotus all over. >2) Setups - try anything you can get your hands on (The US/Norway Pits >have a great zip-bundle with lots of setups). >3) Corners - The Lesmos are crucial, especially the exit to the second >one. A good run out of there helps no end. And taking a fiarly tight >line into the Parabolica, then trailbraking around it and sliding >slightly out before you get back on the power seems to work well.

4) The exit of the Parabolica is also very important since you get a long straight after that. If you exit the Parabolica right, you just barely miss the red sign on the left. Use all of the road. Monza seems so simple, it only has a couple of corners, but to get a 1:26 lap is hard, damn hard. Andre

Yup but after banging my head against that wall thats called the Ring Monza is a breath of fresh air and with my much improved car handling from banging my head against the aforementioned Ring I am really starting to get it. PAPA DOC >Monza seems so simple, it only has a couple of corners, but to get a >1:26 lap is hard, damn hard. > >Andre Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Voodoo 5 vs Geforce 2 shootout... Flanker Target GPL Crash Dummy Video Card Wizard www.papadoc.net FALCON 4 Benchmarks Rants, Bullshit and Reviews

> Hi all > I really enjoy vroc racing and this Sim. Not being a Schumacher I struggle > to get on the pace. Try as I might I cannot get under 1.30 at Monza has > anyone any hot tips such as where it is crucial (which corners?, Whichcar, > setups?) to be quick to get under 1.30. Most people are focused on braking late. The result is that they are braking too late. I brake fairly early before the second Lezmo. That way I get a good exit, and my online competitors becomes small dots in my mirrors. Jon Andersen

In article <x2tn5.1253$[email hidden]>, "Jon Andersen" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> Hi all >> I really enjoy vroc racing and this Sim. Not being a Schumacher I struggle >> to get on the pace. Try as I might I cannot get under 1.30 at Monza has >> anyone any hot tips such as where it is crucial (which corners?, Which >car, >> setups?) to be quick to get under 1.30. > >Most people are focused on braking late. The result is that they are braking >too late. I brake fairly early before the second Lezmo. That way I get a >good exit, and my online competitors becomes small dots in my mirrors.

See, I don't understand this. If you brake earlier then everyone else, how can you beat them? Assuming you follow the same line and have the same speed IN the corner... I find myself braking earlier than most people. I have to, if I want to stay on the track. Comparing to hotlaps, I brake earlier, have to slow down MORE, so then I lose on exit speed - all while on the same racing line. Pretty f'ing depressing... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> See, I don't understand this. If you brake earlier then everyone else,how can > you beat them? Assuming you follow the same line and have the same speedIN > the corner... I think I brake earlier than most people at Lezmo 2 (actually before the racing groove gets darker). That way I manage to get the correct line out of the corner, which most people don't. It is better to enter the corner fairly slow in a controlled manner, which enables you to accelerate out of or through the corner, than to brake hard, slide into the corner, and not being able to accelerate again until the sliding stops. Good exit speeds are far more important than late braking when trying to do a fast lap. If you brake too early, you loose a mph for a split second. If you have a lousy exit speed, the loss of mph will be present until the next turn. The latter does more damage to your lap times than the former. Jon Andersen

Hi Do you exit Lesmo 2 in third or high revs in second, I cannot decide which is quicker. Cheers Martin

> Do you exit Lesmo 2 in third or high revs in second, I cannot decide which > is quicker. I exit Lezmo 2 in third with the Lotus, in second with the other cars (I think I use third in the Brabham, too. Can't recall). Jon Andersen

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>Regular Racer wrote: >> >> I suppose Monza is like a NASCAR track....In other words, It's not how fast >> you get into a corner but rather how fast you are able to exit it. >> >> -Cheers >> > >Yep, the slow way through a corner is entering fast. >

Like I said, I'm *already* slower than everyone else. Any slower, and I'd be backing up... :) It's demoralizing to see people PULLING AWAY in the braking zones... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:49:08 +0100, "Martin Chapman" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hi >Do you exit Lesmo 2 in third or high revs in second, I cannot decide which >is quicker. >Cheers >Martin Depends on the setup. I change to third when I hit the apex in the 2nd lesmo. Andre

In article <JmTn5.1579$[email hidden]>, "Jon Andersen" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> See, I don't understand this. If you brake earlier then everyone else, >how can >> you beat them? Assuming you follow the same line and have the same speed >IN >> the corner... > >I think I brake earlier than most people at Lezmo 2 (actually before the >racing groove gets darker). That way I manage to get the correct line out of >the corner, which most people don't. It is better to enter the corner fairly >slow in a controlled manner, which enables you to accelerate out of or >through the corner, than to brake hard, slide into the corner, and not being >able to accelerate again until the sliding stops.

I brake earlier than most people too. I've been *punted* enough to prove that. I still don't get the speed off the corner that others seem to. I'm seriously thinking that I should just give up, and delete GPL... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I suppose Monza is like a NASCAR track....In other words, It's not how fast you get into a corner but rather how fast you are able to exit it. -Cheers "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <JmTn5.1579$[email hidden]>, "Jon Andersen" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> See, I don't understand this. If you brake earlier then everyone else, > >how can > >> you beat them? Assuming you follow the same line and have the samespeed > >IN > >> the corner... > > > >I think I brake earlier than most people at Lezmo 2 (actually before the > >racing groove gets darker). That way I manage to get the correct line outof > >the corner, which most people don't. It is better to enter the cornerfairly > >slow in a controlled manner, which enables you to accelerate out of or > >through the corner, than to brake hard, slide into the corner, and notbeing > >able to accelerate again until the sliding stops. > > I brake earlier than most people too. I've been *punted* enough to provethat. > I still don't get the speed off the corner that others seem to. I'mseriously

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> thinking that I should just give up, and delete GPL... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +51.31 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Regular Racer wrote: > > I suppose Monza is like a NASCAR track....In other words, It's not how fast > you get into a corner but rather how fast you are able to exit it. > > -Cheers > Yep, the slow way through a corner is entering fast.

Hi Eldred - I'm certainly no expert, but the only track where this 'slow in/fast out' thing is starting to work for me is at Mosport. I found by braking just a bit earlier, maybe 2 car lengths, then easing off the brakes a bit earlier, the car would settle down as I was entering the corner. That was the key. I wasn't fighting it as much, and actually ended up slightly on the gas (very slightly) through to the apex, and then squeezing on the throttle towards the end of the turn. You'll note that this is the exact opposite of the 'trail braking' approach for the first half of the a turn. Maybe the difference was more apparent at Mosport because of all of its over-the-crest type turns. (I'm still only at 1:25.30 though!) And probably the effect differs depending on the setup you're using, i.e. at what state the car is stable. I'm using Nunnini's Lotus setups - they're great for me. But, if it's getting too frustrating, maybe it's time to take a break. I know I'm looking forward to Heat and/or GP3 when they are released this Wednesday. I'll forget about the 'Ring for a few months <grin>. ...Klinn (GPL h 39.51) EldredP wrote:

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> I brake earlier than most people too. I've been *punted* enough to prove that. > I still don't get the speed off the corner that others seem to. I'm seriously > thinking that I should just give up, and delete GPL... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +51.31 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <x2tn5.1253$[email hidden]>, "Jon Andersen" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> Hi all > >> I really enjoy vroc racing and this Sim. Not being a Schumacher Istruggle > >> to get on the pace. Try as I might I cannot get under 1.30 at Monza has > >> anyone any hot tips such as where it is crucial (which corners?, Which > >car, > >> setups?) to be quick to get under 1.30. Eldred -- My GPL handicap is similar to yours, so I'm not an expert either. My best Monza time is mid-1:29s. However... I think the key to a decent (sub-1:30) Monza time is to trail brake into the Parabolica. That way you get more speed in the most critical (longest) braking zone, AND your car is lined up properly to accelerate much sooner for the course's longest straightaway. Get one of those replay analysis tools distributed from one of the many GPL web sites out there. Compare your best with a replay by any one of the internationally renowned hotshots out there. Betcha you're losing most of your time at/after the Parabolica. -- Richard Worden SCCA/Detroit "KVICK" Saab 900 #90 [email hidden] (810) 986-5335

> I brake earlier than most people too. I've been *punted* enough to provethat. > I still don't get the speed off the corner that others seem to. I'mseriously > thinking that I should just give up, and delete GPL... > As you get used to left foot braking, you'll learn how to balance the car by using the brakes and the accelerator simultaniously. Mastering that technique is a tremendous advantage. You can balance the car on the edge throughout he corner. I do some very intens footwork at the entrance to Lezmo 1. If i brake too early, which I always do, I hit the accelerator slightly while keeping a slight pressure on the brakes until I reach the apex. At the apex, or slighly before, I squeeze open the throttle, making sure no wheel spin appears. I developed the technique described above when I was using 57 pst brake balance. Once I could use this technique properly at Curva Grande and Lezmo 2, 1.27s popped up. It is possible to drive fast with forward biased brakes. Another tip: Soft setup has lots of grip, but puts you in danger of unsettling the car by sudden movements on the wheel, or by braking or going off the brakes too hard. I stiffened my Monza setup (max wheel rate at the rear, bump & rebound at 4/5 (front)and 4/4 (rear), and maxed out roll bar at both ends. Grip suffered, but handling was awesome. The car did exactly what I wanted it to do. It responded to my inputs immediately. Downside is that I have to respond to the cars responses immediately. Otherwise I spin. Besides, the ability to drive smooth will be hurt by driving such responsive setups. Jon Andersen

In article <8nrhst$65u$[email hidden]>, "Richard Worden" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Eldred -- > >My GPL handicap is similar to yours, so I'm not an expert either. My best >Monza time is mid-1:29s. However... > >I think the key to a decent (sub-1:30) Monza time is to trail brake into the >Parabolica. That way you get more speed in the most critical (longest) >braking zone, AND your car is lined up properly to accelerate much sooner >for the course's longest straightaway. Get one of those replay analysis >tools distributed from one of the many GPL web sites out there. Compare >your best with a replay by any one of the internationally renowned hotshots >out there. Betcha you're losing most of your time at/after the Parabolica.

I don't think so. I think I'm losing time in the Lesmos. But, seeing that I'm losing in Parabolica still doesn't help me gain time. I'm guessing that I just don't understand the information that's presented to me in GPL Replay analyzer. All I see is that I brake a split-second earlier, use the same brake pressure, have a lower corner speed, and a slower acceleration out of the turn. I can see all this graphically, but I don't know how to adjust my driving style. I can't do it. I guess that's what's pissing me off... If I try to duplicate what I see, I'm destroying high-priced machinery. Then my dad doesn't help. I mentioned that I'm so far behind the hotshoes to him. He says that using the same setup, I should be able to turn the same times. In other words, if SOMEONE can do it, then YOU can do it, as long as it doesn't involve physical strength. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I sort of use left foot braking - yes, I brake with my left foot, but my old Thrustmaster T2 wheel & pedals can't be set for split axis, at least as far as I can figure out. But even though that means I can't affect the balance of the car the way you can with split axis, at least it seems to help smooth out the transitions from braking to accelerating etc. I used to drive with a Logitech FF wheel, but it was getting so sloppy I couldn't make fine adjustments to the car's direction, even after turning off the FF. I switched back to the old T2 and my lap times immediately dropped. ...Klinn Jon Andersen wrote:

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> As you get used to left foot braking, you'll learn how to balance the car by > using the brakes and the accelerator simultaniously. Mastering that > technique is a tremendous advantage. You can balance the car on the edge > throughout he corner. I do some very intens footwork at the entrance to > Lezmo 1. If i brake too early, which I always do, I hit the accelerator > slightly while keeping a slight pressure on the brakes until I reach the > apex. At the apex, or slighly before, I squeeze open the throttle, making > sure no wheel spin appears.

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I'd rather run 1:29's and 1:30's with a wheel/pedal combo than 1:27's with a joystick! The joystick approach might be efficient, but it sure doesn't make racin' feel like racin'... In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > In article <8nv4di$6st$[email hidden]>, "Han Monsees" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I have just broken my PB at Monza using Wolfgang Woeger's setups to1:29.39 > >(after being stuck at 1:29.60 for almost a year). But that guy fromAustria > >does about 2.5 secs faster with it. To soften that pain, I have madesome

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> >hypotheses (that's what phycists do to soften pain...). > > > >1) WW is probably using a force feedback wheel wich I don't. > He uses a joystick > > >2) The input of WW's wheel is more precise than my TM Super sport > ditto > > >3) WW spends far more time on GPL > dunno > > >4) WW maybe crashes 9 out of 10 laps and sets an incredible time the

10th > >lap whereas I can do my times quite consistantly. > Actually, using Spygirl you can see the rest of the times on thatsession. I'd > say the ratio is 9 laps within a second of the WR, and 1 'slow' lap(2seconds

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> off<g>) > > >5) WW has more talent. Don't think that's probable (-: > > Why not? > > > >Whatever may be true, I think I must accept that I will probably

never do a > >sub-1:28.5 lap. However, I once said I would never do a sub 1:31lap... > > > I know the feeling about accepting your limitations. The problem is,my

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> limitations seem to be so much HIGHER than everyone else... :( > > Eldred > > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +51.31 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then

beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <8nv4di$6st$[email hidden]>, "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> writes: >I have just broken my PB at Monza using Wolfgang Woeger's setups to 1:29.39 >(after being stuck at 1:29.60 for almost a year). But that guy from Austria >does about 2.5 secs faster with it. To soften that pain, I have made some >hypotheses (that's what phycists do to soften pain...). > >1) WW is probably using a force feedback wheel wich I don't.He uses a joystick >2) The input of WW's wheel is more precise than my TM Super sportditto >3) WW spends far more time on GPLdunno >4) WW maybe crashes 9 out of 10 laps and sets an incredible time the 10th >lap whereas I can do my times quite consistantly.Actually, using Spygirl you can see the rest of the times on that session. I'd say the ratio is 9 laps within a second of the WR, and 1 'slow' lap(2 seconds off<g>) >5) WW has more talent. Don't think that's probable (-: Why not? > >Whatever may be true, I think I must accept that I will probably never do a >sub-1:28.5 lap. However, I once said I would never do a sub 1:31 lap... >I know the feeling about accepting your limitations. The problem is, my limitations seem to be so much HIGHER than everyone else... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

absolutely, I can't understand why more people haven't got that, you should almost feel as if you're braking too early, exit speeds is everything, I've lost count of how many go flying far too fast into the corner, get an appaling exit then can't understand why their times are low, exit speed is vital esplly at Monza get parabolica wrong and in effect it'll hurt you right up to Lesmo 1 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <8nrhst$65u$[email hidden]>, "Richard Worden" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Eldred -- > > > >My GPL handicap is similar to yours, so I'm not an expert either. Mybest > >Monza time is mid-1:29s. However... > > > >I think the key to a decent (sub-1:30) Monza time is to trail brake intothe > >Parabolica. That way you get more speed in the most critical (longest) > >braking zone, AND your car is lined up properly to accelerate much sooner > >for the course's longest straightaway. Get one of those replay analysis > >tools distributed from one of the many GPL web sites out there. Compare > >your best with a replay by any one of the internationally renownedhotshots > >out there. Betcha you're losing most of your time at/after theParabolica. > > I don't think so. I think I'm losing time in the Lesmos. But, seeingthat I'm > losing in Parabolica still doesn't help me gain time. I'm guessing that Ijust > don't understand the information that's presented to me in GPL Replayanalyzer. > All I see is that I brake a split-second earlier, use the same brakepressure, > have a lower corner speed, and a slower acceleration out of the turn. Ican > see all this graphically, but I don't know how to adjust my driving style.I > can't do it. I guess that's what's pissing me off... If I try toduplicate > what I see, I'm destroying high-priced machinery. > Then my dad doesn't help. I mentioned that I'm so far behind the hotshoesto > him. He says that using the same setup, I should be able to turn the same > times. In other words, if SOMEONE can do it, then YOU can do it, as longas it > doesn't involve physical strength. I have just broken my PB at Monza using Wolfgang Woeger's setups to 1:29.39 (after being stuck at 1:29.60 for almost a year). But that guy from Austria does about 2.5 secs faster with it. To soften that pain, I have made some hypotheses (that's what phycists do to soften pain...). 1) WW is probably using a force feedback wheel wich I don't. 2) The input of WW's wheel is more precise than my TM Super sport 3) WW spends far more time on GPL 4) WW maybe crashes 9 out of 10 laps and sets an incredible time the 10th lap whereas I can do my times quite consistantly. 5) WW has more talent. Don't think that's probable (-: Whatever may be true, I think I must accept that I will probably never do a sub-1:28.5 lap. However, I once said I would never do a sub 1:31 lap... gtngs, hgrm (GPL hcp +88.42)

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> > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +51.31 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:04:03 +0200, "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote: >1) WW is probably using a force feedback wheel wich I don't. He uses a non-ff joystick and no pedals :) >2) The input of WW's wheel is more precise than my TM Super sport See 1) >3) WW spends far more time on GPL Spend more time on GPL and find out if you can be as fast as him :) >4) WW maybe crashes 9 out of 10 laps and sets an incredible time the 10th Nope. Download a hotlap replay from him and load it in GPL Replay Analyzer. Then you can see all the times in his practice session. Ofcourse when you're driving on the utter edge you make more mistakes, but does those fast laps lap after lap. >lap whereas I can do my times quite consistantly. Those fast guys also dominate in the leagues. The real fast hotlappers know how to drive consistantly. >5) WW has more talent. Don't think that's probable (-: Nah, that couldn't be the reason :) Andre

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> >Whatever may be true, I think I must accept that I will probably never do a >sub-1:28.5 lap. However, I once said I would never do a sub 1:31 lap... > >gtngs, >hgrm (GPL hcp +88.42) > >> >> Eldred >> -- >> Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> GPL hcp. +51.31 >> >> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats >you >> with experience... >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

In article <8o0u26$r7h$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] writes: >absolutely, I can't understand why more people haven't got that, you >should almost feel as if you're braking too early, exit speeds is >everything, I've lost count of how many go flying far too fast into the >corner, get an appaling exit then can't understand why their times are >low, exit speed is vital esplly at Monza get parabolica wrong and in >effect it'll hurt you right up to Lesmo 1 As I've said before, I *already* brake earlier than everyone else. According to this, I should have TONS of exit speed<g>. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes:

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>The last days I drove at Silverstone where I was way off the average >laptimes. Could hardly drive 1:30 laps there. >Watched a couple of my replays and saw that I wasn't driving the >correct line at most corners, mainly because I was struggeling so hard >to keep the car under control during all those slides through the >corners. >Then I heavilly focused on driving the correct line, without driving >on the edge. After I knew the correct lines through every corner, I >started to build up speed slowly, lap after lap a little bit faster, >but constantly focusing on keeping the correct line. >And it paid off, yesterday I did my first 1:28 lap. And still room to >improve. >Perhaps you should try that Eldred, compare some replays with Replay >analyzer (perfect for studying your line compared to the fast guys), >watch some replays from others and remember their line, and try to >drive the exact same lines. After that you drive every lap a little >bit faster, slowly building up. >When you drive the correct line, the car is also quite easy to >handle...

It seems as though most of the hotshoes do follow the groove on the track. If I go slow enough to STAY on the groove, I'm way too slow. This is part of the confusion. Following the same line, I have to go 10 mph slower, otherwise I understeer off the turn. WTF? After my league race last night, where I crashed BY MYSELF on lap *2*, I'm seriously pissed at GPL. I'll just have to admit that I have no talent. Whatever 'spirit' possessed me a couple of weeks ago has left me... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:27:08 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: >I'd rather run 1:29's and 1:30's with a wheel/pedal combo than 1:27's >with a joystick! The joystick approach might be efficient, but it sure >doesn't make racin' feel like racin'... I agree. I never even tried racing with a joystick or while using the F10 view. I want to come as close as possible to a real racing exerience, and a joystick and F10 view don't really help. I even never tried using a joystick, but in fact that even seems harder to me than a wheel/pedal combo. I wonder what times Woeger will drive with a wheel and pedals... I think he even will be faster then! Andre

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> >In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >> In article <8nv4di$6st$[email hidden]>, "Han Monsees" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >I have just broken my PB at Monza using Wolfgang Woeger's setups to >1:29.39 >> >(after being stuck at 1:29.60 for almost a year). But that guy from >Austria >> >does about 2.5 secs faster with it. To soften that pain, I have made >some >> >hypotheses (that's what phycists do to soften pain...). >> > >> >1) WW is probably using a force feedback wheel wich I don't. >> He uses a joystick >> >> >2) The input of WW's wheel is more precise than my TM Super sport >> ditto >> >> >3) WW spends far more time on GPL >> dunno >> >> >4) WW maybe crashes 9 out of 10 laps and sets an incredible time the >10th >> >lap whereas I can do my times quite consistantly. >> Actually, using Spygirl you can see the rest of the times on that >session. I'd >> say the ratio is 9 laps within a second of the WR, and 1 'slow' lap(2 >seconds >> off<g>) >> >> >5) WW has more talent. Don't think that's probable (-: >> >> Why not? >> > >> >Whatever may be true, I think I must accept that I will probably >never do a >> >sub-1:28.5 lap. However, I once said I would never do a sub 1:31 >lap... >> > >> I know the feeling about accepting your limitations. The problem is, >my >> limitations seem to be so much HIGHER than everyone else... :( >> >> Eldred >> >> -- >> Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> GPL hcp. +51.31 >> >> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then >beats you >> with experience... >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >> > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>I'd rather run 1:29's and 1:30's with a wheel/pedal combo than 1:27's >>with a joystick! The joystick approach might be efficient, but it sure >>doesn't make racin' feel like racin'... > >I agree. I never even tried racing with a joystick or while using the >F10 view. I want to come as close as possible to a real racing >exerience, and a joystick and F10 view don't really help. >I even never tried using a joystick, but in fact that even seems >harder to me than a wheel/pedal combo. >I wonder what times Woeger will drive with a wheel and pedals... >I think he even will be faster then! > >Andre

When I first started playing racing games, I used a joystick. I didn't have a wheel yet. Once I could finally afford a wheel, I've never looked back. I did try it for SBK, though... Although I use the in-car view, I may have to try the F10 in GPL to see why I can't seem to run the correct line... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 24 Aug 2000 00:17:35 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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> >When I first started playing racing games, I used a joystick. I didn't have a >wheel yet. Once I could finally afford a wheel, I've never looked back. I did >try it for SBK, though... Although I use the in-car view, I may have to try >the F10 in GPL to see why I can't seem to run the correct line... > >Eldred

The last days I drove at Silverstone where I was way off the average laptimes. Could hardly drive 1:30 laps there. Watched a couple of my replays and saw that I wasn't driving the correct line at most corners, mainly because I was struggeling so hard to keep the car under control during all those slides through the corners. Then I heavilly focused on driving the correct line, without driving on the edge. After I knew the correct lines through every corner, I started to build up speed slowly, lap after lap a little bit faster, but constantly focusing on keeping the correct line. And it paid off, yesterday I did my first 1:28 lap. And still room to improve. Perhaps you should try that Eldred, compare some replays with Replay analyzer (perfect for studying your line compared to the fast guys), watch some replays from others and remember their line, and try to drive the exact same lines. After that you drive every lap a little bit faster, slowly building up. When you drive the correct line, the car is also quite easy to handle... Andre

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>Eldred, one last possible tip? I am no hot shoe, by any means (1:29:13 at >Monza - Ferrari) but this might help. So many are concerned with set-ups, >left >foot or right foot braking, trailbraking, that sometimes good old fashioned >common sense takes a back seat. >Try this. >Look as far up the track as you can when racing. If you look right in front >of >your car, you tend to twitch the wheel back and forth to drive to a point a >couple car lengths in front of you. When you look far up the track, >especially >in a series of turns like Lesmos, your focusing your eyes on the end of the >chute between 1 & 2. Your hands will follow your eyes and have a much >smoother >and fast exit. >Hope this helps. >Michael Loos

Thanks. I tried that, and ended up with a headache after about 5 minutes. I'm not sure why, though. I had to keep *forcing* myself to look ahead. Funny, I don't have any problem doing that in my REAL car... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 24 Aug 2000 19:11:18 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>It seems as though most of the hotshoes do follow the groove on the track. If >I go slow enough to STAY on the groove, I'm way too slow. This is part of the >confusion. Following the same line, I have to go 10 mph slower, otherwise I >understeer off the turn. WTF? >After my league race last night, where I crashed BY MYSELF on lap *2*, I'm >seriously pissed at GPL. I'll just have to admit that I have no talent. >Whatever 'spirit' possessed me a couple of weeks ago has left me... :(

Sad to hear that your motivation has gone again, hope the good vibes from a couples of weeks ago come back soon... I still didn't have time to make a report of your replays Eldred, hang on, help from a non-pro-but-hey-I've-got-a-negative-handicap are on the way :) Andre >Eldred

Eldred, one last possible tip? I am no hot shoe, by any means (1:29:13 at Monza - Ferrari) but this might help. So many are concerned with set-ups, left foot or right foot braking, trailbraking, that sometimes good old fashioned common sense takes a back seat. Try this. Look as far up the track as you can when racing. If you look right in front of your car, you tend to twitch the wheel back and forth to drive to a point a couple car lengths in front of you. When you look far up the track, especially in a series of turns like Lesmos, your focusing your eyes on the end of the chute between 1 & 2. Your hands will follow your eyes and have a much smoother and fast exit. Hope this helps. Michael Loos