Re: Animated pitstops; I'm a believer now

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:29:29 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >That stupid BAD PIXELATED arm that washes your helmet in GP2.5 is pathetic. Hey I'm not arguing about the ugliness of the 2D objects in GP3, I'm just pointing out that it isn' as easy to add 3D as the original poster implied. JanL

So drive the thing yourself when the full game arrives... sheesh! Jan. ;-) =--- pez wrote... > <snip> > Am i the only person who thinks that the cars in Nheat when > in auto pit mode stop FAR too suddenly. > > pez

id rather have gp3s fast and slow bump and rebound dampers, packers and bump rubbers than nheats 3d pit crew.... Am i the only person who thinks that the cars in Nheat when in auto pit mode stop FAR too suddenly. pez Stephen Ferguson wrote in message <399d01d1$[email hidden]>...

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>Eye-candy, schmeye-candy I used to say. But then again, I only recently >moved out of the stone ages and into the 3D-accelerated world. I imagined >that little polygon pit crews running around would be silly, and would use >up valuable development resources that could go into better things. > >But then I watched those little Nascar Heat men run around my car, a big >grin went across my face, and I was convinced that it added to the racing >experience and really put me into the car. I still really like GP3, but >every time I see that stupid sprite jack man slide sideways away from my

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>now, I lose a bit of the illusion. I don't imagine it takes that much to >add it to the program, and I like it. > >Stephen > > >

3 per wheel, 2 for fuel, 1 jack at front, 1 jack at back, 1 starter in case of stall............at least.... pez d0le wrote in message ...

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>On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:42:08 +0200, Jan Loebzien <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:30:15 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" >><[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>>I don't imagine it takes that much to add it to the program, and I like

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>> >>Think of it, in F1 there are about 20 people working on the car, not >>just the 6 or so like in Nascar. Doesn't take much to add, you say? >>:-) >> >> >>JanL > >Actually there's usually about 12 people actually working, and others >standing and looking ;) > >.. as opposed to all standing there looking + one giant floating hand >to clean the visor =)

Eye-candy, schmeye-candy I used to say. But then again, I only recently moved out of the stone ages and into the 3D-accelerated world. I imagined that little polygon pit crews running around would be silly, and would use up valuable development resources that could go into better things. But then I watched those little Nascar Heat men run around my car, a big grin went across my face, and I was convinced that it added to the racing experience and really put me into the car. I still really like GP3, but every time I see that stupid sprite jack man slide sideways away from my car now, I lose a bit of the illusion. I don't imagine it takes that much to add it to the program, and I like it. Stephen

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:30:15 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I don't imagine it takes that much to add it to the program, and I like it. Think of it, in F1 there are about 20 people working on the car, not just the 6 or so like in Nascar. Doesn't take much to add, you say? :-) JanL

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:30:15 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>But then I watched those little Nascar Heat men run around my car, a big >grin went across my face, and I was convinced that it added to the racing >experience and really put me into the car. I still really like GP3, but >every time I see that stupid sprite jack man slide sideways away from my car >now, I lose a bit of the illusion. I don't imagine it takes that much to >add it to the program, and I like it. >

The sad thing is that Sega's Virtual Racer did it years ago, the GP3 sprite takes me back to my 8-bit gaming days. The whole pit section of GP3 is very poorly implemented :-( Andrew.

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> Eye-candy, schmeye-candy I used to say. But then again, I only recently > moved out of the stone ages and into the 3D-accelerated world. I imagined > that little polygon pit crews running around would be silly, and would use > up valuable development resources that could go into better things. > > But then I watched those little Nascar Heat men run around my car, a big > grin went across my face, and I was convinced that it added to the racing > experience and really put me into the car. I still really like GP3, but > every time I see that stupid sprite jack man slide sideways away from my car > now, I lose a bit of the illusion. I don't imagine it takes that much to > add it to the program, and I like it. >

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Not in Nascar Heat, no, limited resources ya know. 7 guys x 43 cars = yikes. ... but maybe on the Psx 2 version ;) On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:52:40 GMT, [email hidden] (John Simmons) wrote:

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>In article <399d01d1$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... >> Eye-candy, schmeye-candy I used to say. But then again, I only recently >> moved out of the stone ages and into the 3D-accelerated world. I imagined >> that little polygon pit crews running around would be silly, and would use >> up valuable development resources that could go into better things. >> >> But then I watched those little Nascar Heat men run around my car, a big >> grin went across my face, and I was convinced that it added to the racing >> experience and really put me into the car. I still really like GP3, but >> every time I see that stupid sprite jack man slide sideways away from my car >> now, I lose a bit of the illusion. I don't imagine it takes that much to >> add it to the program, and I like it. >> > >If you pit behind another car, can you see their pit crew moving too?

I swear they have personalities too! I made it into the pits once with a wrecked up car and watched the gas man shake his head as if in disbelief ;) --David Cook In article <399d01d1$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote...

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> Eye-candy, schmeye-candy I used to say. But then again, I only recently > moved out of the stone ages and into the 3D-accelerated world. I imagined > that little polygon pit crews running around would be silly, and would use > up valuable development resources that could go into better things. > > But then I watched those little Nascar Heat men run around my car, a big > grin went across my face, and I was convinced that it added to the racing > experience and really put me into the car. I still really like GP3, but > every time I see that stupid sprite jack man slide sideways away from my car > now, I lose a bit of the illusion. I don't imagine it takes that much to > add it to the program, and I like it. > > Stephen > > > >

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:42:08 +0200, Jan Loebzien <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:30:15 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>I don't imagine it takes that much to add it to the program, and I like it. > >Think of it, in F1 there are about 20 people working on the car, not >just the 6 or so like in Nascar. Doesn't take much to add, you say? >:-) > > >JanL

Actually there's usually about 12 people actually working, and others standing and looking ;) .. as opposed to all standing there looking + one giant floating hand to clean the visor =)

Now that would be a clever..."developers really tried to think of every detail type of effect"....if it's in there I am very impressed. Marc. "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I swear they have personalities too! I made it into the pits once with awrecked

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> up car and watched the gas man shake his head as if in disbelief ;) > > --David Cook > > In article <399d01d1$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote... > > Eye-candy, schmeye-candy I used to say. But then again, I only recently > > moved out of the stone ages and into the 3D-accelerated world. I

imagined > > that little polygon pit crews running around would be silly, and woulduse > > up valuable development resources that could go into better things. > > > > But then I watched those little Nascar Heat men run around my car, a big > > grin went across my face, and I was convinced that it added to theracing > > experience and really put me into the car. I still really like GP3, but > > every time I see that stupid sprite jack man slide sideways away from mycar > > now, I lose a bit of the illusion. I don't imagine it takes that muchto

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> > add it to the program, and I like it. > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > >

I was shocked when I first played GP2.5, that the other cars on pit road _still_ appear to be levitating off the ground, as opposed to the other objects on pit road, just like in GP2. <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The whole pit section of > GP3 is very poorly implemented :-( > > Andrew. >

"Jan Loebzien" <[email hidden]> wrote > Think of it, in F1 there are about 20 people working on the car, not > just the 6 or so like in Nascar. Doesn't take much to add, you say? > :-) I don't see F1 pitcrews jumping and running around the car. They are all but 2 mostly stationary and have a specified job to do. It would be even easier to model them in 3d than what happens in Nascar Heat. Just look at MGPRS2. That stupid BAD PIXELATED arm that washes your helmet in GP2.5 is pathetic. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

They shake their head in disbelief when I get into the car :) "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I swear they have personalities too! I made it into the pits once with awrecked

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> up car and watched the gas man shake his head as if in disbelief ;) > > --David Cook > > In article <399d01d1$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote... > > Eye-candy, schmeye-candy I used to say. But then again, I only recently > > moved out of the stone ages and into the 3D-accelerated world. I

imagined > > that little polygon pit crews running around would be silly, and woulduse > > up valuable development resources that could go into better things. > > > > But then I watched those little Nascar Heat men run around my car, a big > > grin went across my face, and I was convinced that it added to theracing > > experience and really put me into the car. I still really like GP3, but > > every time I see that stupid sprite jack man slide sideways away from mycar > > now, I lose a bit of the illusion. I don't imagine it takes that muchto

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> > add it to the program, and I like it. > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > >

Damn!! -Should have thought of that, sorry. Won't do it again. Jan. ;-) =--- Vintook wrote...

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> Shhhhhhh, don't tell him that it was just a demo > limitation! Let him think it's part of the game. > Then he can bitch all he wants and we can just sit > back and laugh! > > Vintook > > <snip>

"Jan Loebzien" <[email hidden]> wrote > >That stupid BAD PIXELATED arm that washes your helmet in GP2.5 ispathetic. > > Hey I'm not arguing about the ugliness of the 2D objects in GP3, > I'm just pointing out that it isn' as easy to add 3D as the original > poster implied. Eh well it's some sort of pathetic joke. I'm sure Geoff did it on purpose. He cannot be THAT clueless hehe. I mean the hand that washes your helmet when pitting is probably one of the WORST thing I have ever seen in past 5 years in the gaming industry. It's worse than in GP2, since it's blown-out even bigger. It has pixels about 1inch squared on my monitor. I cringe each time I pitted in GP3 ;) It's really *that* bad! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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>Eh well it's some sort of pathetic joke. I'm sure Geoff did it on purpose. >He cannot be THAT clueless hehe. I mean the hand that washes your helmet >when pitting is probably one of the WORST thing I have ever seen in past 5 >years in the gaming industry. It's worse than in GP2, since it's blown-out >even bigger. It has pixels about 1inch squared on my monitor. I cringe >each time I pitted in GP3 ;) > >It's really *that* bad! >

I kinda find the "hand of pixels" to be quite amusing when hitting the pits.... :) ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com

Yeah, I think that arm belongs to the original Atari Pole Position! ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O9ln5.147123$[email hidden]...

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> "Jan Loebzien" <[email hidden]> wrote > > >That stupid BAD PIXELATED arm that washes your helmet in GP2.5 is > pathetic. > > > > Hey I'm not arguing about the ugliness of the 2D objects in GP3, > > I'm just pointing out that it isn' as easy to add 3D as the original > > poster implied. > > > Eh well it's some sort of pathetic joke. I'm sure Geoff did it on

purpose. > He cannot be THAT clueless hehe. I mean the hand that washes your helmet > when pitting is probably one of the WORST thing I have ever seen in past 5 > years in the gaming industry. It's worse than in GP2, since it'sblown-out

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> even bigger. It has pixels about 1inch squared on my monitor. I cringe > each time I pitted in GP3 ;) > > It's really *that* bad! > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

So is the rest of the game. Pathetic that is. Vintook "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Znen5.164431$[email hidden]...

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> "Jan Loebzien" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Think of it, in F1 there are about 20 people working on the car, not > > just the 6 or so like in Nascar. Doesn't take much to add, you say? > > :-) > > I don't see F1 pitcrews jumping and running around the car. They are all > but 2 mostly stationary and have a specified job to do. It would be even > easier to model them in 3d than what happens in Nascar Heat. Just look at > MGPRS2. > > That stupid BAD PIXELATED arm that washes your helmet in GP2.5 is

pathetic.

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> > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

Shhhhhhh, don't tell him that it was just a demo limitation! Let him think it's part of the game. Then he can bitch all he wants and we can just sit back and laugh! Vintook "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> So drive the thing yourself when the full game arrives... sheesh! > > Jan. ;-) > =--- > pez wrote... > > <snip> > > Am i the only person who thinks that the cars in Nheat when > > in auto pit mode stop FAR too suddenly. > > > > pez > >

lol ;-) -- Tim, [email hidden]|[email hidden] http://legends.sports-gaming.com/forums.shtml FREE forums for your league... http://legends.sports-gaming.com Sim racing website loosely based on gpl... Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Damn!! -Should have thought of that, sorry. Won't do it again. > > Jan. ;-) > =--- > Vintook wrote... > > Shhhhhhh, don't tell him that it was just a demo > > limitation! Let him think it's part of the game. > > Then he can bitch all he wants and we can just sit > > back and laugh! > > > > Vintook > > > > <snip> > > > > > >

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>On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:30:15 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>But then I watched those little Nascar Heat men run around my car, a big >>grin went across my face, and I was convinced that it added to the racing >>experience and really put me into the car. I still really like GP3, but >>every time I see that stupid sprite jack man slide sideways away from my car >>now, I lose a bit of the illusion. I don't imagine it takes that much to >>add it to the program, and I like it. >> >The sad thing is that Sega's Virtual Racer did it years ago, the GP3 >sprite takes me back to my 8-bit gaming days. The whole pit section of >GP3 is very poorly implemented :-( >

Even Bill Elliot's Nascar Challenge had an animated pit crew... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I'm happy that NH put together a great physics and track package before putting in extras like an animated pit crew. Seeing the pit crew helps to put you in the race even more :-) Hopefully, NH has an option.cfg entry for the number of pit-crews seen. Those people with super computers could turn on 3 pit-crews without that much fps loss im sure. Now, if I could only run the demo more than 3 laps without it crashing :-( Jason. Stephen Ferguson wrote:

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> Eye-candy, schmeye-candy I used to say. But then again, I only recently > moved out of the stone ages and into the 3D-accelerated world. I imagined > that little polygon pit crews running around would be silly, and would use > up valuable development resources that could go into better things. > > But then I watched those little Nascar Heat men run around my car, a big > grin went across my face, and I was convinced that it added to the racing > experience and really put me into the car. > > Stephen

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I think it's dead simple. We animate the results of our biomechanical testing of spines based on CT scans of the patient and motion data captured with a series of infrared markers. The patient comes in in the morning, and by the end of the morning I have the full spine up on my workstation, moving in real time. Its a load of polys (up to 25 vertebral bodies x lots of polys per vertebra). I think it would be a piece of cake. Especially as a lot of the F1 pit guys just sit around looking really serious. :-) Stephen Jan Loebzien <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:29:29 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >That stupid BAD PIXELATED arm that washes your helmet in GP2.5 ispathetic.

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> > Hey I'm not arguing about the ugliness of the 2D objects in GP3, > I'm just pointing out that it isn' as easy to add 3D as the original > poster implied. > > > JanL

I also liked the little slip with my teammate pitting at the other end of the pit row. I exited my pit, trundled down the pit lane on the rev limiter, and waved to him as I went out for my hotlap. Oh well, it's still a killer racing sim and I think it's worth every penny I spent. Stephen DoubleU <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ofcn5.14229$[email hidden]...

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> I was shocked when I first played GP2.5, that the other cars on pit road > _still_ appear to be levitating off the ground, as opposed to the other > objects on pit road, just like in GP2. > > <aep@nospam writeme.com> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > The whole pit section of > > GP3 is very poorly implemented :-( > > > > Andrew. > > > >

Each corner of the car is doing the same thing. Put them slightly out of sync and you wouldn't notice if they used the same motion capture sequence for them all. Stephen pez <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8nk106$d6b$[email hidden]... > 3 per wheel, 2 for fuel, 1 jack at front, 1 jack at back, 1 starter incase

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> of stall............at least.... > > pez > d0le wrote in message ... > >On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:42:08 +0200, Jan Loebzien <[email hidden]> > >wrote: > > > >>On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:30:15 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" > >><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >>>I don't imagine it takes that much to add it to the program, and I like > it. > >> > >>Think of it, in F1 there are about 20 people working on the car, not > >>just the 6 or so like in Nascar. Doesn't take much to add, you say? > >>:-) > >> > >> > >>JanL > > > >Actually there's usually about 12 people actually working, and others > >standing and looking ;) > > > >.. as opposed to all standing there looking + one giant floating hand > >to clean the visor =) > >

Hi Peter, I linked my crashing to editing "hardcore yes" in the options.cfg file. I'm using a V3-2000 as well. I'll get NH anyway and hope that it's fixed in the official release. Jason. Peter Ives wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Jason Monds > <[email hidden]> writes > > > >Now, if I could only run the demo more than 3 laps without it crashing :-( > > > >Jason. > > > > Hey, me too. Never had this problem on any other game since I got my V3 > 2000, but with NH the screen locks up whilst the sound continues > (reminds me of my old V2 days). Is this what you're experiencing? BTW > not every 3 laps but it's eventually locked up everytime I've played it. > Generally the more that's happening then the more likelyhood of a > lockup. I've had to drop to 640x480 to make things easier. At 800x600 > it was certainly happening more frequently. Probably start a new thread > on this one. > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > > No person's opinions can be said to be > more correct than another's, because each is > the sole judge of his or her own experience.

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I have no sound problems with my SBLive (liveware 3.0 and May 5, 2000 drivers). It just crashes to the desktop with a "Oppsy, a log file was generated" error. MGI support asked me to reinstall the demo and that fixed it. Turned out to be me changing the options.cfg to set hardcore to yes. Jason. Peter Ives wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Jason Monds > <[email hidden]> writes > > > >Now, if I could only run the demo more than 3 laps without it crashing :-( > > > >Jason. > > > > Hey, me too. Never had this problem on any other game since I got my V3 > 2000, but with NH the screen locks up whilst the sound continues > (reminds me of my old V2 days). Is this what you're experiencing? > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > > No person's opinions can be said to be > more correct than another's, because each is > the sole judge of his or her own experience.

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In article <[email hidden]>, Jason Monds <[email hidden]> writes

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>I'm happy that NH put together a great physics and track package before >putting >in extras like an animated pit crew. Seeing the pit crew helps to put you in >the race even more :-) Hopefully, NH has an option.cfg entry for the number >of >pit-crews seen. Those people with super computers could turn on 3 pit- >crews >without that much fps loss im sure. > >Now, if I could only run the demo more than 3 laps without it crashing :-( > >Jason. >

Hey, me too. Never had this problem on any other game since I got my V3 2000, but with NH the screen locks up whilst the sound continues (reminds me of my old V2 days). Is this what you're experiencing? BTW not every 3 laps but it's eventually locked up everytime I've played it. Generally the more that's happening then the more likelyhood of a lockup. I've had to drop to 640x480 to make things easier. At 800x600 it was certainly happening more frequently. Probably start a new thread on this one. -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

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>I have no sound problems with my SBLive (liveware 3.0 and May 5, 2000 >drivers). >It just crashes to the desktop with a "Oppsy, a log file was generated" error. >MGI support asked me to reinstall the demo and that fixed it. Turned out to >be me >changing the options.cfg to set hardcore to yes. > >Jason. >

No, haven't messed with those settings at all yet, so it definitely isn't that. I've only had the game 2 days - still playing catchup after me hols - so haven't had time to really get into depth with the demo yet. I do like it though, despite the lockup probs. Even in 'Expert' Mode you have to think about what you are doing whilst driving to avoid things getting hairy (especially under braking). Also like the little added features, like the AI cars when you bump fenders with them also doing the same back when given the opportunity. All-in-all, this looks like a winner. Definitely more going for it than against it.

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>Peter Ives wrote: > >> In article <[email hidden]>, Jason Monds >> <[email hidden]> writes >> > >> >Now, if I could only run the demo more than 3 laps without it crashing :-( >> > >> >Jason. >> > >> >> Hey, me too. Never had this problem on any other game since I got my >V3 >> 2000, but with NH the screen locks up whilst the sound continues >> (reminds me of my old V2 days). Is this what you're experiencing? >

-- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.