Black Logitech Momo Vs. Microsoft FF?

I have the Microsoft wheel and am considering getting a momo. I do know that the red momo is considered by many to be one of the best but they no longer make the red momo. Is the black momo functionally the same as the red? From what I understand the black has a lot of plastic. I don't mind plastic. My Microsoft wheel is plastic. I care about performance. If the red performs that much better than the black then I will try to hunt one down on ebay or something. Of course I won't really know if I like it better than the Microsoft wheel until I actually try it for myself. I just want to gather some opinions from those who have used both. Or all 3 that I have spoke of would be even better. Nick

Get the Driving force Pro instead, I have Both the Momo and the Driving Force and I like the Driving Force better. "NLaPlaca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BinXd.61897$[email hidden]...

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>I have the Microsoft wheel and am considering getting a momo. I do know >that the red momo is considered by many to be one of the best but they no >longer make the red momo. > > Is the black momo functionally the same as the red? From what I understand > the black has a lot of plastic. I don't mind plastic. My Microsoft wheel > is plastic. I care about performance. If the red performs that much better > than the black then I will try to hunt one down on ebay or something. Of > course I won't really know if I like it better than the Microsoft wheel > until I actually try it for myself. I just want to gather some opinions > from those who have used both. Or all 3 that I have spoke of would be even > better. Nick

I went from the MS wheel to the Momo. I like the 'feel and control' better with the Momo over the MS. But, be aware there are (or at least were) some problems associated with the pedals. Every now and then, mine seem to lose response--at which point I unplug them from the wheel and plug them back in and we are good to go until next time (this is a 'fix' I picked up from one of the forums.) Doesn't happen real often but it does happen now and then. I use the wheel for SCC and NR03. I do like the profiler for assigning functions to various buttons-real easy to use. Free advice...and worth just what ya paid for it...

mjones53 wrote:

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> Get the Driving force Pro instead, I have Both the Momo and the Driving > Force and I like the Driving Force better. > "NLaPlaca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BinXd.61897$[email hidden]... > >>I have the Microsoft wheel and am considering getting a momo. I do know >>that the red momo is considered by many to be one of the best but they no >>longer make the red momo. >> >>Is the black momo functionally the same as the red? From what I understand >>the black has a lot of plastic. I don't mind plastic. My Microsoft wheel >>is plastic. I care about performance. If the red performs that much better >>than the black then I will try to hunt one down on ebay or something. Of >>course I won't really know if I like it better than the Microsoft wheel >>until I actually try it for myself. I just want to gather some opinions >>from those who have used both. Or all 3 that I have spoke of would be even >>better. Nick > > >

I should have mentioned that this wheel is for pc use. Mainly NR2003 and other sims. The driving force is an console wheel correct?

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> I went from the MS wheel to the Momo. I like the 'feel and control' > better with the Momo over the MS. But, be aware there are (or at least > were) some problems associated with the pedals. Every now and then, > mine seem to lose response--at which point I unplug them from the wheel > and plug them back in and we are good to go until next time (this is a > 'fix' I picked up from one of the forums.) Doesn't happen real often > but it does happen now and then. > > I use the wheel for SCC and NR03. I do like the profiler for assigning > functions to various buttons-real easy to use. > > Free advice...and worth just what ya paid for it... >

Cool that seals it. Going to give that one a try. Thanks for making me aware of the pedal situation. I think I remember reading about some pedal issues. Nick

>> > I should have mentioned that this wheel is for pc use. Mainly NR2003 and > other sims. The driving force is an console wheel correct? I think it works with a PC or a PS2.

"NLaPlaca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> mjones53 wrote: > > Get the Driving force Pro instead, I have Both the Momo and the Driving > > Force and I like the Driving Force better. > > "NLaPlaca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:BinXd.61897$[email hidden]... > > > >>I have the Microsoft wheel and am considering getting a momo. I do know > >>that the red momo is considered by many to be one of the best but they

no > >>longer make the red momo. > >> > >>Is the black momo functionally the same as the red? From what Iunderstand > >>the black has a lot of plastic. I don't mind plastic. My Microsoft wheel > >>is plastic. I care about performance. If the red performs that muchbetter > >>than the black then I will try to hunt one down on ebay or something. Of > >>course I won't really know if I like it better than the Microsoft wheel > >>until I actually try it for myself. I just want to gather some opinions > >>from those who have used both. Or all 3 that I have spoke of would beeven > >>better. Nick > > > > > > > I should have mentioned that this wheel is for pc use. Mainly NR2003 and > other sims. The driving force is an console wheel correct? Works for both, and is their top of the line wheel now. I think it's fantastic. -- David G Fisher

> > Cool that seals it. Going to give that one a try. Thanks for making me > aware of the pedal situation. I think I remember reading about some > pedal issues. Nick > I picked one up a CompUSA a couple of weeks ago, it was $50 after rebate. I'm not sure if the deal is still on...

The Momo Force has better resolution and a shifter. That, really, is the only improvement over the MSFFW. Oh, and the very nice Logitech Profiler Software which blows Microsoft's untended-for-5-years profile software away. The new pedals on the Momo Force are the first acceptable Logitech Pedals to me but I still think, from an ergonomic standpoint, the MS pedals are a bit better. The resolution of the Logitech's is 8 times greater though (at least in step count). -Larry "NLaPlaca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BinXd.61897$[email hidden]...

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> I have the Microsoft wheel and am considering getting a momo. I do know > that the red momo is considered by many to be one of the best but they > no longer make the red momo. > > Is the black momo functionally the same as the red? From what I > understand the black has a lot of plastic. I don't mind plastic. My > Microsoft wheel is plastic. I care about performance. If the red > performs that much better than the black then I will try to hunt one > down on ebay or something. Of course I won't really know if I like it > better than the Microsoft wheel until I actually try it for myself. I > just want to gather some opinions from those who have used both. Or all > 3 that I have spoke of would be even better. Nick

Dave, I heard they back-slid on the pedals though. What do you think? -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Works for both, and is their top of the line wheel now. I think it's > fantastic. > > > -- > David G Fisher > > >

Ginger had this problem during some RASCAR races I believe. And you know what the REAL crying shame was? We STILL couldn't beat his ass LOL -Larry "tlgtr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I went from the MS wheel to the Momo. I like the 'feel and control' > better with the Momo over the MS. But, be aware there are (or at least > were) some problems associated with the pedals. Every now and then, > mine seem to lose response--at which point I unplug them from the wheel > and plug them back in and we are good to go until next time (this is a > 'fix' I picked up from one of the forums.) Doesn't happen real often > but it does happen now and then. > > I use the wheel for SCC and NR03. I do like the profiler for assigning > functions to various buttons-real easy to use. > > Free advice...and worth just what ya paid for it... >

Larry wrote:

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> The Momo Force has better resolution and a shifter. That, really, is the > only improvement over the MSFFW. > > Oh, and the very nice Logitech Profiler Software which blows Microsoft's > untended-for-5-years profile software away. > > The new pedals on the Momo Force are the first acceptable Logitech Pedals > to me but I still think, from an ergonomic standpoint, the MS pedals are a > bit > better. The resolution of the Logitech's is 8 times greater though (at > least in step count). > > -Larry >

Im really surprised you think the Force has "acceptable" pedals. To me they are *nearly* useless. I use em long before I upgraded to the the AL Champ Pedals though so it they may work much better tweaked with a squash ball or whatever other tweaks are used. Just out of curiuosity Larry where did you find the Force? Im looking for one more but I cant find any. Mitch -- Remove "nospam." to reply. SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:n_%Xd.57213$7z6.46502@lakeread04...

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> Dave, > > I heard they back-slid on the pedals though. What do you think? > > -Larry > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Works for both, and is their top of the line wheel now. I think it's > > fantastic. > > > > > > -- > > David G Fisher

From what I've read at their forum, they released a second version of their pedals/pots (rev B), and that's what I have. I guess I'll have to wait and see if the same thing happens to me that happened to Ginger. I like them though. Dave

MOMO Force has a shifter? I should get my money back--it only has the paddle shifters. And is red. Bummer.

I think he was referring to the momo racing (black) which has a shifter and decent pedals. The momo force (red) has no shifter and awful pedals.

Steve, Thanks for clearing that up--too many damn colors for too many damn wheels. I actually like the pedals on the Force--certainly not top of the line, but I got used to the hinged pedal, and the Racing pedals seem very cheap to me, and the darn base moves around a bit too much for me. The actual wheel--I love it. And the shifter is great for GPL, and NASCAR, and GTR. On the other hand--might be time to get some ECCI pedals--one of the guys in our league got a set, and man those look nice!!! Wonder if that fancy new BRD wheel is ever going to be released....that one looks amazing, but I have heard rumors of pricing--1000 pounds sterling!!! Of course, that is a rumor--but taking a look at that wheel, with it's lcd readout..well, it just looks damn sweet.

Steve Simpson wrote: > I think he was referring to the momo racing (black) which has a shifter > and > decent pedals. The momo force (red) has no shifter and awful pedals. Either Bob or Larry or both are very confused over the different models of Momo wheels. Ive covered it about 10 times in the past week. Mitch -- Remove "nospam." to reply. SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a

"Mitch_A" > Im really surprised you think the Force has "acceptable" pedals. To me they

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> are *nearly* useless. I use em long before I upgraded to the the AL Champ > Pedals though so it they may work much better tweaked with a squash ball > or > whatever other tweaks are used. > > Just out of curiuosity Larry where did you find the Force? Im looking for > one more but I cant find any. > > Mitch

I think he meant the Racing Mitch. Which the pedals are acceptable but not great. What would you recommend? Mine screw up more than they work:) Tim

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> > I think he meant the Racing Mitch. Which the pedals are acceptable but > not > great. What would you recommend? Mine screw up more than they work:) > > > Tim

ECCI 6000 and never worry again ;) ECCI had a version of the 6000 series w/PMB2 specifically made for use with a Momo Force (as you know, the red one, hehe). They also offer a USB version which is the one you would likely want. I dont know if Act Labs still makes the Championship Pedals for a sawbuck but they work ok and can be modified to reduce spring breakage. Mitch -- Remove "nospam." to reply. SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a

No mitch, no confusion here--why don't you just give it a rest, ok? The internet is full of know it alls and we could really stand one less. We appreciate all of your invaluable service, letting us know how dumb we all are. Thanks for the community service--hats off. You are a credit to the perfect breed everywhere.

Smokin_Bob wrote: > No mitch, no confusion here--why don't you just give it a rest, ok? > The internet is full of know it alls and we could really stand one > less. We appreciate all of your invaluable service, letting us know > how dumb we all are. Thanks for the community service--hats off. > > You are a credit to the perfect breed everywhere. If you knew me you would know Im sure not a "know it all". I do know about Wheels and Pedals for racing sims and that is what the topic was. Why you attacked me after I tried to set the record straight regarding the Momo Models I dont know or care but you seem unable to drop it. Mitch -- Remove "nospam." to reply. SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a

"Smokin_Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > Wonder if that fancy new BRD wheel is ever going to be released....that > one looks amazing, but I have heard rumors of pricing--1000 pounds > sterling!!! Of course, that is a rumor--but taking a look at that > wheel, with it's lcd readout..well, it just looks damn sweet. Yeah, it sounds _really_ nice. Sadly, it looks like it will be too rich for my blood. According to this: http://www.interactiveracing.com/latest_news/index.asp?ArticleID=23 "The prices of these models has not been finalised yet but as a guideline the costs will be in the region of �750 for the entry level model and around �900 for the advanced model." -- Ped Xing

http://ecci6000.com/6000_momo_01.htm "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:to4Yd.16159$[email hidden]...

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> Tim Paullin wrote: > > > > > > I think he meant the Racing Mitch. Which the pedals are acceptable but > > not > > great. What would you recommend? Mine screw up more than they work:) > > > > > > Tim > > > ECCI 6000 and never worry again ;) ECCI had a version of the 6000 series > w/PMB2 specifically made for use with a Momo Force (as you know, the red > one, hehe). They also offer a USB version which is the one you would > likely want. I dont know if Act Labs still makes the Championship Pedals > for a sawbuck but they work ok and can be modified to reduce spring > breakage. > > Mitch > -- > Remove "nospam." to reply. > SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a