Re: LWFF with TSW Wheels

"BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thanks for the info. > > Are you using these > Hooking better pedals directly to the LWFF wheel would greatly simplify > things, but I would like to hear if anyone's used these Thomas pedals for > this. Here's a post I made earlier over at news.simracing.org regarding my setup. All pieces work as one controller and TE did a great job IMO: "Just discovered that TE is now selling pedals specifically wired for the Act Labs Force RS as well as the Logitech Wingman Formula Force. Check out http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/pedals.html for info. I had mine custom wired by TE a few months ago - they work GREAT. I had them include a clutch as well and I just ordered custom pedal pads which should be excellent. See http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/prods/pad02.html for a picture of those. My next project is to talk GTX_Slot to connect the 15" Cup Wheel from TE http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/prods/wkit02.html to my Force RS - Slot, you there? This would be about as close as you can get to a TSW2 FF don't ya think? Heh, my Hurst 'Nascar 50th' shifter knob looks pretty cool on my RS Shifter too. Now if all this could just help me to GO FASTER ;) Seriously if money is no object and you want the great pedals for your FF controller, these are great!" --David Cook

Yes I do use them<S> as I'm the one making them I thought it best to support the product! I use both methods, usb and gameport when testing kits, but for ease of use I would say the connection to existing LWFF wiring is best as you get dual or single axis in software and you get to throw away those nasty LW pedals<S> I can and do supply kits for direct gameport connection, meaning you have the LWFF on usb with its pedals still connected but moved out of the way and my pedals connected thro the gameport on their own. But this method only works for games/sims like GPL that allow multi controller inputs. We did connect a set up directly to a TSW loom in place of the TSW pedals which works. The pedals are designed to be used with your toes or ball of your foot, but with your heels resting on a support the same height as the pedals when at rest. You could make angled backplates for them to use in other positions but I primarily designed them for me and thats the most comfortable position I found as well as giving super control over both pedals. Your toes are much more sensitive and quick to react to small changes than the ball or all of your foot. 1:15:58 at Goodwood in the Lotus with them. I'm still thinking of making a set available for the guys who want full blooded foot on type pedals but atm I just havnt the time to complete the project. Cheers. MikeT. On August 22 2000, BRH <[email hidden]> wrote: > Thanks for the info. > > Are you using these? If so, which connection method do you use? LWFF > on USB (or serial) and pedals to gameport, or everything togameport? > (And how comfortable are these pedals? They look kind of "flat" to > me, meaning, it looks as iff you control then with your toes, not the > ball of your foot.). -- - MikeT [email hidden] http://website.lineone.net/~mikebay/MTIndex.htm

On August 22 2000, BRH <[email hidden]> wrote: > I see that Thomas Enterprises is offering TSW2 pedals that will work > with the LWFF. The costs seems pretty steep -- almost as much as the > basic TSW2 wheel and pedals combo -- Take a look at these.... http://website.lineone.net/~mikebay/MTIndex.htm Not cheap, but work well. MikeT. -- - MikeT [email hidden] http://website.lineone.net/~mikebay/MTIndex.htm

I see that Thomas Enterprises is offering TSW2 pedals that will work with the LWFF. The costs seems pretty steep -- almost as much as the basic TSW2 wheel and pedals combo -- considering that you have to ship them your original LWFF pedals to re-use some of the cables with the new pedals. Be that as it may, has anyone ordered these converted TSW2 pedals for the LWFF? If so, how has it worked out? Overall, do you feel that it was worthwhile? Thanks.

That is a sign of a dying company imho. If you start to modify your competitors equipment, when yours is supposed to be much better (mad owner of a TSW 2 Formula here) you can't be doing well at all. -Stuart Becktell "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I see that Thomas Enterprises is offering TSW2 pedals that will work > with the LWFF. The costs seems pretty steep -- almost as much as the > basic TSW2 wheel and pedals combo -- considering that you have to ship > them your original LWFF pedals to re-use some of the cables with the new > pedals. > > Be that as it may, has anyone ordered these converted TSW2 pedals for > the LWFF? If so, how has it worked out? Overall, do you feel that it > was worthwhile? > > Thanks. >

Thanks for the info. Are you using these? If so, which connection method do you use? LWFF on USB (or serial) and pedals to gameport, or everything to gameport? (And how comfortable are these pedals? They look kind of "flat" to me, meaning, it looks as iff you control then with your toes, not the ball of your foot.). I'm already using my TSW wheels pedals in conjunction with the LWFF with those sims which support more than one controller at a time ( ie - GPL, N3, NL, MGPRS2). However, there are plenty of sims which do not support 2 controllers at once, and I find it a pain to continually be switching controller ID numbers and setting in Win 95's control panel. Hooking better pedals directly to the LWFF wheel would greatly simplify things, but I would like to hear if anyone's used these Thomas pedals for this. Thanks again. MikeT wrote:

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> On August 22 2000, BRH <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I see that Thomas Enterprises is offering TSW2 pedals that will work > > with the LWFF. The costs seems pretty steep -- almost as much as the > > basic TSW2 wheel and pedals combo -- > > Take a look at these.... > > http://website.lineone.net/~mikebay/MTIndex.htm > > Not cheap, but work well. > > MikeT. > > -- > - MikeT [email hidden] > > http://website.lineone.net/~mikebay/MTIndex.htm

I'd have to disagree with you. TSW purposely does not produce force feedback devices. By offering pedals to force feedback believers, they only open up another market to distribute their products in. That's called diversification and it's common practice among almost any company in the world. Of course TSW's equipment is much better, but if someone desperately wants force feedback, he'll never buy TSW. This way he will. --- Joeri J. Cox Driver of the no. 86 Cap Gemini Ford J_Cox on N3 - ICQ# 60159253 - Co-founder of 502 Racing European Racing League - http://drive.to/erl "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wBxo5.17696$[email hidden]... > That is a sign of a dying company imho. If you start to modify your > competitors equipment, when yours is supposed to be much better (mad owner > of a TSW 2 Formula here) you can't be doing well at all. > -Stuart Becktell > "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

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> > I see that Thomas Enterprises is offering TSW2 pedals that will work > > with the LWFF. The costs seems pretty steep -- almost as much as the > > basic TSW2 wheel and pedals combo -- considering that you have to ship > > them your original LWFF pedals to re-use some of the cables with the new > > pedals. > > > > Be that as it may, has anyone ordered these converted TSW2 pedals for > > the LWFF? If so, how has it worked out? Overall, do you feel that it > > was worthwhile? > > > > Thanks. > > > >

On August 23 2000, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I'd like to see a 3 pedal controller wired for the logi, and then I > might bite. Well I did a prototype 3 pedal setup for use with the LW wheel Wired thro the gameport, but didnt get a lot of interest in the clutch so I dropped it. My Gameport set does come fully wired so adding a 3rd pedal isnt a great hardship, just costs! MikeT. -- - MikeT [email hidden] http://website.lineone.net/~mikebay/MTIndex.htm

oh oh, Bert's upgrading his equipment, getting ready for the new MARA season..watch out ;-) "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I see that Thomas Enterprises is offering TSW2 pedals that will work > with the LWFF. The costs seems pretty steep -- almost as much as the > basic TSW2 wheel and pedals combo -- considering that you have to ship > them your original LWFF pedals to re-use some of the cables with the new > pedals. > > Be that as it may, has anyone ordered these converted TSW2 pedals for > the LWFF? If so, how has it worked out? Overall, do you feel that it > was worthwhile? > > Thanks. >

Upgrading equipment is one thing. Upgrading my level of ability is quite another (unfortunately)...... 8-) Gotta get back to my practice sessions now. (I need 'em). "E. Crawford" wrote:

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> oh oh, Bert's upgrading his equipment, getting ready for the new MARA > season..watch out ;-) > > "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I see that Thomas Enterprises is offering TSW2 pedals that will work > > with the LWFF. The costs seems pretty steep -- almost as much as the > > basic TSW2 wheel and pedals combo -- considering that you have to ship > > them your original LWFF pedals to re-use some of the cables with the new > > pedals. > > > > Be that as it may, has anyone ordered these converted TSW2 pedals for > > the LWFF? If so, how has it worked out? Overall, do you feel that it > > was worthwhile? > > > > Thanks. > >

I'd like to see a 3 pedal controller wired for the logi, and then I might bite. MikeT <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yes I do use them<S> as I'm the one making them I thought it best to > support the product! > > I use both methods, usb and gameport when testing kits, but for ease of > use I would say the connection to existing LWFF wiring is best as you > get dual or single axis in software and you get to throw away those > nasty LW pedals<S> > > I can and do supply kits for direct gameport connection, meaning you > have the LWFF on usb with its pedals still connected but moved out of > the way and my pedals connected thro the gameport on their own. But this > method only works for games/sims like GPL that allow multi controller > inputs. > > We did connect a set up directly to a TSW loom in place of the TSW > pedals which works. > > The pedals are designed to be used with your toes or ball of your foot, > but with your heels resting on a support the same height as the pedals > when at rest. > > You could make angled backplates for them to use in other positions but > I primarily designed them for me and thats the most comfortable position > I found as well as giving super control over both pedals. Your toes are > much more sensitive and quick to react to small changes than the ball or > all of your foot. 1:15:58 at Goodwood in the Lotus with them. > > I'm still thinking of making a set available for the guys who want full > blooded foot on type pedals but atm I just havnt the time to complete > the project. > > Cheers. > > MikeT. > > > On August 22 2000, BRH <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > Are you using these? If so, which connection method do you use? LWFF > > on USB (or serial) and pedals to gameport, or everything to > gameport? > (And how comfortable are these pedals? They look kind of > "flat" to > me, meaning, it looks as iff you control then with your > toes, not the > ball of your foot.). > > -- > - MikeT [email hidden] > > http://website.lineone.net/~mikebay/MTIndex.htm > >

Hi Bart, I have a LWFF with the original TSW pedals... the TSW2 offring is good since they plug directly to the wheel, which is basically a single USB solution. This is much better than those who connected the pedals on the gameport. It's been known by using game port and USB together has performance hits on the CPU. The way I did it is what TSW2 is offering, I strongly suggest it :) Eric http://www.simracingmag.com BRH wrote:

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> I see that Thomas Enterprises is offering TSW2 pedals that will work > with the LWFF. The costs seems pretty steep -- almost as much as the > basic TSW2 wheel and pedals combo -- considering that you have to ship > them your original LWFF pedals to re-use some of the cables with the new > pedals. > > Be that as it may, has anyone ordered these converted TSW2 pedals for > the LWFF? If so, how has it worked out? Overall, do you feel that it > was worthwhile? > > Thanks.