GP3: Performance analysis part XX *** BUG in GP3

Thanks to Bart Westra who has found my problem with the unseen laps entries in the Performance menu. When you press the keys F1 and F7 more then one time in a lap (so as I did with automatic braking), then you will not see any lap in lap entries. I wrote the GP3 support this problem and the answer whas: Your email has been received by our support department and will be processed in due course. Please be aware that we receive many emails each day and cannot always guarantee a quick response. In the meantime we would ask you to check our Internet web sites below for assistance. <http://support.microprose.com> <http://www.hasbrointeractive.com/hi/tech_support/index.cfm> <http://www.hasbrointeractive.com/atari/tech_support/> <http://www.europress.co.uk/techsupp.nsf/home> <http://www.hasbro> You may of course also telephone for support using the details within your product manual. You are advised to have ALL the information requested in your manual so that we can help you more efficiently. Our sincere apologies for not being to help you immediately. Regards, Hasbro Interactive

I doubt that's a bug, it's prolly there to prevent ppl from "cheating" by toggling on and off different help features depending on the part of the track they are on so they can get a "better" laptime. Greg "P e e t" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o1ad7$e2j$[email hidden]... > Thanks to Bart Westra who has found my problem with the unseen lapsentries

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> in the Performance menu. > > When you press the keys F1 and F7 more then one time in a lap (so as I did > with automatic braking), then you will not see any lap in lap entries. > > I wrote the GP3 support this problem and the answer whas: > > Your email has been received by our support department and will be

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> in due course. Please be aware that we receive many emails each day and > cannot always guarantee a quick response. > > In the meantime we would ask you to check our Internet web sites below for > assistance. > > <http://support.microprose.com> > <http://www.hasbrointeractive.com/hi/tech_support/index.cfm> > <http://www.hasbrointeractive.com/atari/tech_support/> > <http://www.europress.co.uk/techsupp.nsf/home> > <http://www.hasbro> > You may of course also telephone for support using the details within your > product manual. > > You are advised to have ALL the information requested in your manual so

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> we can help you more efficiently. > > Our sincere apologies for not being to help you immediately. > > Regards, > Hasbro Interactive > > > > >

Making the game took 5 years....you expect them to answer within one mail? "P e e t" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:8o1ad7$e2j$[email hidden]... > Thanks to Bart Westra who has found my problem with the unseen lapsentries

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> in the Performance menu. > > When you press the keys F1 and F7 more then one time in a lap (so as I did > with automatic braking), then you will not see any lap in lap entries. > > I wrote the GP3 support this problem and the answer whas: > > Your email has been received by our support department and will be

processed

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> in due course. Please be aware that we receive many emails each day and > cannot always guarantee a quick response. > > In the meantime we would ask you to check our Internet web sites below for > assistance. > > <http://support.microprose.com> > <http://www.hasbrointeractive.com/hi/tech_support/index.cfm> > <http://www.hasbrointeractive.com/atari/tech_support/> > <http://www.europress.co.uk/techsupp.nsf/home> > <http://www.hasbro> > You may of course also telephone for support using the details within your > product manual. > > You are advised to have ALL the information requested in your manual so

that

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> we can help you more efficiently. > > Our sincere apologies for not being to help you immediately. > > Regards, > Hasbro Interactive > > > > >

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:58:32 +0200, "P e e t" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Thanks to Bart Westra who has found my problem with the unseen laps entries >in the Performance menu. > >When you press the keys F1 and F7 more then one time in a lap (so as I did >with automatic braking), then you will not see any lap in lap entries. Does it also happen when enabling/disabling other helps than F1 and F7? I think this "bug" is considered an anti-cheat measurement. JoH

P e e t <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o1ad7$e2j$[email hidden]... > Thanks to Bart Westra who has found my problem with the unseen lapsentries

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> in the Performance menu. > > When you press the keys F1 and F7 more then one time in a lap (so as I did > with automatic braking), then you will not see any lap in lap entries. > > I wrote the GP3 support this problem and the answer whas: > > Your email has been received by our support department and will be

processed

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> in due course. Please be aware that we receive many emails each day and > cannot always guarantee a quick response. > > In the meantime we would ask you to check our Internet web sites below for > assistance. > > <http://support.microprose.com> > <http://www.hasbrointeractive.com/hi/tech_support/index.cfm> > <http://www.hasbrointeractive.com/atari/tech_support/> > <http://www.europress.co.uk/techsupp.nsf/home> > <http://www.hasbro> > You may of course also telephone for support using the details within your > product manual. > > You are advised to have ALL the information requested in your manual so

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> we can help you more efficiently. > > Our sincere apologies for not being to help you immediately. > > Regards, > Hasbro Interactive >

What's wrong with that? If your switching driving aids on and off during a lap you must be doing it to help you lap or help traction or something while going fast in a straight line. I bet this is just GC's way of saying the lap is invalid. Just like guys switching their pit lane speed limiter on to stop wheelspin in reallife (and they stamped that out now....I think)

In rec.autos.simulators, 9Wright7 wrote: > What's wrong with that? > If your switching driving aids on and off during a lap you must be doing it > to help you lap or help traction or something while going fast in a straight > line. I bet this is just GC's way of saying the lap is invalid. Why would the lap be invalid if you change the driving aids during it? A lap isn't invalid if you have all the driving aids on from start to finish. -- Andrew Gillett http://argnet.fatal-design.com/ ICQ: See homepage UK videogame release dates at: http://www.release-dates.co.uk/

It's a bug surely, for these reasons: - the lap is valid as a qual lap, and there is no punishment in the race in the form of a black flag. Only telemetry data is not available. - the manual doesn't say anything about toggling driving aids invalidating the telemetry. Now don't tell me it is an "undocumented feature" ;-) - the game starts collecting data as usual, then just comes up with an empty lap entries table. No indication why, one would expect some kind of message if the data was not available on purpose. - GP2 handled the same thing just fine, so technically there should be no problem for GP3 to collect and show the data despite of the toggling. In addition to this, the toggling may make it easier to drive certain parts of the track, but it is not faster. Driving without helps is faster once one has mastered it. Bart Westra "Greg |G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o1e7m$11h$[email hidden]...

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> I doubt that's a bug, it's prolly there to prevent ppl from "cheating" by > toggling on and off different help features depending on the part of the > track they are on so they can get a "better" laptime. > > Greg > > > "P e e t" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8o1ad7$e2j$[email hidden]... > > Thanks to Bart Westra who has found my problem with the unseen laps > entries > > in the Performance menu. > > > > When you press the keys F1 and F7 more then one time in a lap (so as I

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> > with automatic braking), then you will not see any lap in lap entries. > > > > I wrote the GP3 support this problem and the answer whas: > > > > Your email has been received by our support department and will be > processed > > in due course. Please be aware that we receive many emails each day and > > cannot always guarantee a quick response. > > > > In the meantime we would ask you to check our Internet web sites below

for

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> > assistance. > > > > <http://support.microprose.com> > > <http://www.hasbrointeractive.com/hi/tech_support/index.cfm> > > <http://www.hasbrointeractive.com/atari/tech_support/> > > <http://www.europress.co.uk/techsupp.nsf/home> > > <http://www.hasbro> > > You may of course also telephone for support using the details within

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> > product manual. > > > > You are advised to have ALL the information requested in your manual so > that > > we can help you more efficiently. > > > > Our sincere apologies for not being to help you immediately. > > > > Regards, > > Hasbro Interactive > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:32:37 +0200, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote: .... >In addition to this, the toggling may make it easier to drive certain parts >of the track, but it is not faster. Driving without helps is faster once one >has mastered it. Not completely sure about this one... I seem to remember that there was tricks in GP2 with autobrakes and autogears. I never tried it, but reportedly one could brake later and cleaner by just activating autobrakes when entering a corner instead of braking by yourself? It was also possible to avoid wheelspin by using gearing assistance and changing down when accelerating. JoH

"Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:32:37 +0200, "Bart Westra" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > .... > > >In addition to this, the toggling may make it easier to drive certainparts > >of the track, but it is not faster. Driving without helps is faster onceone

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> >has mastered it. > > Not completely sure about this one... I seem to remember that there > was tricks in GP2 with autobrakes and autogears. I never tried it, but > reportedly one could brake later and cleaner by just activating > autobrakes when entering a corner instead of braking by yourself? It > was also possible to avoid wheelspin by using gearing assistance and > changing down when accelerating. > > JoH

I agree with you on the issue of the autogears, changing gears manually in GP2 is only slightly faster and then one has to do it right all the time. But I have never seen anyone being faster using autobrakes or throttle help in the league I ran last season (www.lfrs.com). They surely would have if there was some gain there. One trick, or rather I should say skill, was keyboard drivers using manual gearing. This would give them one extra gear down from 1st called the power turn gear. It was meant for doing power turns by temprorarily disabling the steering help. The drivers would use the power turn gear to go turn faster in slow corners. Bart Westra

Andrew R. Gillett <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In rec.autos.simulators, 9Wright7 wrote: > > What's wrong with that? > > If your switching driving aids on and off during a lap you must be doingit > > to help you lap or help traction or something while going fast in astraight > > line. I bet this is just GC's way of saying the lap is invalid. > > Why would the lap be invalid if you change the driving aids during it? A > lap isn't invalid if you have all the driving aids on from start to > finish. > Ah yes, you can perhaps change driving aids on and off but over use of this feature is what makes the lap invalid which I would think was the intention of GC. This would stop players eaking out and advantage by using aids in some tricky stops while not using them in others... that wouldn't be fair.