The only way to memorize the ring is to practice and when you have finished
practicing go and practice some more. The method I used was to do laps in
the Trainer (F3) car for a couple of weeks. I put more emphasis on staying
on the track then trying to be quick. If you spend your time spinning all
over the place you will never memorize the track.
Each lap you complete without an incident the more you will memorize the
track, at first you will only remember a few corners but eventually you will
have the whole thing in your head. It will actually take over your brain
completely it's so big and you won't think of anything else for at least six
months!
Chris
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Maybe you're driving too geographically, therefore having to remember too
much. Once you're "in touch" with your car you only need a few reference
points per track, driving the "footprints" to asses the sustainable limit on
the day.
> BTW, the Mexican Gran Prix really gives me fits even thought
> its fairly short also.
Mexico tips: although it's not the fastest way, you can split up the first
turn into two parts... a fast kink followed by a slow corner. For the Esses,
remember, the most important of a linked set of turns are the first and the
last.
> Do you folks really have the Ring and such tracks memorized?
Yes, to a large extend... I think most of us are able to visualize all of
the tracks. This does, as in my case, not nescessarily mean all the detail
is there, but there's enough to navigate by.
> Or do your reaction times really improve to the point that
> you can handle "surprises" at speed?
Maybe, but that's not the point. The point is, the more familiar you get
with the car the more you should be able to anticipate it's behavior, so
ultimately there are few surprises.
When learning a new track you go out and do something like 15 slow laps to
get the layout of the place. Then you attack it at moderate speed, using
your knowledge of the car to keep a safety margin. Once you feel comfortable
you step it up a notch at a time and, if the track does throw a surprise you
use your experience with the car to "save it".
It's all a matter of practise and methodology.
Jan.
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> Ok, > I am not bad at the basic tracks in GPL (Monza, Spa, > Watkins, South Africa), and have done fairly well at > Mosport. My times seem to be fairly quick, but not in > the league of the really fast folks by a couple of > seconds here and there. I can run on these tracks > because I can see them in my sleep, but the longer > tracks really frustrate me since I can't really keep > them in my head.Ok,
I am not bad at the basic tracks in GPL (Monza, Spa, Watkins, South
Africa), and have done
fairly well at Mosport. My times seem to be fairly quick, but not in the
league of the really fast
folks by a couple of seconds here and there. I can run on these tracks
because I can see them
in my sleep, but the longer tracks really frustrate me since I can't really
keep them in my head.
BTW, the Mexican Gran Prix really gives me fits even thought its fairly
short also. Do you
folks really have the Ring and such tracks memorized, or do your reaction
times really improve
to the point that you can handle "surprises" at speed?
Chris B.
<Do you folks really have the Ring and such tracks memorized. . . ?>
Yes.
Rick
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> Ok, > I am not bad at the basic tracks in GPL (Monza, Spa, Watkins, South > Africa), and have done > fairly well at Mosport. My times seem to be fairly quick, but not in the > league of the really fast > folks by a couple of seconds here and there. I can run on these tracks > because I can see them > in my sleep, but the longer tracks really frustrate me since I can'tQuoted text (12 lines)
> keep them in my head. > BTW, the Mexican Gran Prix really gives me fits even thought its fairly > short also. Do you > folks really have the Ring and such tracks memorized, or do your reaction > times really improve > to the point that you can handle "surprises" at speed? > > Chris B. > > > >The more you traverse the tracks the better you'll remember them. Just takes
repetition. After 40 or so laps around the 'ring I can now even remember it and
drive it in my mind. If I can do it surely anyone can. ;)
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> Ok,
> I am not bad at the basic tracks in GPL (Monza, Spa, Watkins, South
> Africa), and have done
> fairly well at Mosport. My times seem to be fairly quick, but not in the
> league of the really fast
> folks by a couple of seconds here and there. I can run on these tracks
> because I can see them
> in my sleep, but the longer tracks really frustrate me since I can't really
> keep them in my head.
> BTW, the Mexican Gran Prix really gives me fits even thought its fairly
> short also. Do you
> folks really have the Ring and such tracks memorized, or do your reaction
> times really improve
> to the point that you can handle "surprises" at speed?
>
> Chris B.
>
>
>
>
>
In article <ZCXo5.1024$[email hidden]>, "Morgan V.
Wooten�" <[email hidden]> writes:
>The more you traverse the tracks the better you'll remember them. Just takes
>repetition. After 40 or so laps around the 'ring I can now even remember it
>and
>drive it in my mind. If I can do it surely anyone can. ;)
I just tried to run a lap in my mind. I got lost<g>. And I've done WAY more
than 40 laps there...
Eldred
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> In article <ZCXo5.1024$[email hidden]>, "MorganV.
> Wooten�" <[email hidden]> writes:
>
> >The more you traverse the tracks the better you'll remember them. Justtakes
> >repetition. After 40 or so laps around the 'ring I can now even rememberit
> >and
> >drive it in my mind. If I can do it surely anyone can. ;)
>
> I just tried to run a lap in my mind. I got lost<g>. And I've done WAYmore
you
> with experience...
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> than 40 laps there... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +51.31 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beatsIn article <8o14ej$4578$[email hidden]>, Rick Boyd
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> <Do you folks really have the Ring and such tracks memorized. . . ?>
>
>Yes.
>
>Rick
I would say 'Yes', but this needs qualifying in some way. Although I
know the Ring pretty well, such as when I should brake, where I should
be on the track, what gear I need to be in for the next corner and how
hard I can brake without the car getting away from me, plus some other
minor stuff, there is no way I will ever know the Ring in detail like
Watkins Glen, for instance.
Not only do I know the same about WG as mentioned about the Ring above,
but all the more subtle variations that come into play when driving on
the limit. Things like the best approach to Turn 1 in order to get the
best exit for the next 2 corners. The fact that I find it better to
turn in early at Turn 2 whilst in 4th gear and then making sure that I
don't overcorrect the oversteer coming out of this Turn otherwise I end
up hitting the armco of Turn 3. Knowing the best line through 'The
Loop' and whether it is better to go in deep and then let the car drift,
or smoother allowing for a neater line through the corner, and so on
around the rest of Watkins so that every little 10th of a second and
ounce of speed can be maximised. There is just no way that I'm going to
be able to memorize the Ring to such detail, but I do know what's coming
next and that'll have to do. :)
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> >"cbybee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8o0u3r$7hm$[email hidden]... >> Ok, >> I am not bad at the basic tracks in GPL (Monza, Spa, Watkins, South >> Africa), and have done >> fairly well at Mosport. My times seem to be fairly quick, but not in the >> league of the really fast >> folks by a couple of seconds here and there. I can run on these tracks >> because I can see them >> in my sleep, but the longer tracks really frustrate me since I can't >really >> keep them in my head. >> BTW, the Mexican Gran Prix really gives me fits even thought its fairly >> short also. Do you >> folks really have the Ring and such tracks memorized, or do your reaction >> times really improve >> to the point that you can handle "surprises" at speed? >> >> Chris B. >> >> >> >> > >I didn't practise.<g>
In retrospect I shouldn't have raced, but near the end of qualifying things
were going relatively well. Early in the race I was involved in an accident
at the Bosch curve (I managed to get it stopped, but got hit from behind),
which made the car completely unpredictable. Again, maybe I should have
stopped, but then again I don't think I hampered anyone much.
Jan.
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> So what happened at the O'Ring <G>
>
> MS
. Once you feel comfortable
> you step it up a notch at a time and, if the track does throw a surpriseyou
> use your experience with the car to "save it".
>
> It's all a matter of practise and methodology.
>
> Jan.
So what happened at the O'Ring <G>
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