In article <8o4512$8fa$[email hidden]>,
"rogue_3d" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I've gotten airborne at every track... Once I even got airborne as Igot
> loose exiting the pits at Atlanta. Got sideways doing about 100MPH,and that
> stupid apron sent a car into me, and viola, I went rolling down theapron.
> COME ON!!!
Getting sideways at 100 mph in a real Winston Cup car will quite often
put you out of the race for good, so does it really matter whether it's
because you got airborne or . . . ?
Also, what were you doing to get sideways at 100 mph? This isn't N3,
with a two-dimensional physics model -- as you are now painfully aware,
you CAN get airborne, so maybe it's your driving style that needs to be
tweaked, not the physics model. People who played GP2 and ICR2 to
death STILL had a huge learning curve to adapt to GPL, so maybe NASCAR
Heat represents the same type of learning curve. N3 was pretty
unrealistic because you COULDN'T get airborne, so maybe we ALL have a
lot of re-learning to do in order to determine whether NASCAR Heat is
accurate or not.
-- JB
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Before you buy.
Mixed reactions to the full NASCAR Heat release
A dissatisfied buyer said he would return NASCAR Heat and wait for NASCAR Racing 4, criticising missing tobacco and alcohol sponsors and arcade feel. Ed Martin of Monster Games, who noted he had previously worked at Papyrus, replied that no licensed NASCAR title could carry those sponsors and suggested Expert or Hardcore modes. Many praised the game and Ed's presence; the 150-post thread later degenerated into arguments about anonymity and in-jokes.
With Ed Martin (Monster Games)
Automated summary.
<<I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4>>
AND WAIT YOU SHALL! BENNY BOY! Jeez, I remember N4 was supposed to be out
sometime LAST year! Why do all you Papy lovers let them slide on once again
pushing back the release date by another 4-6 months??!Gimme a break... The
word "lapdog" comes to mind...I just bought NH at Babbages for $39.95...I'm
looking forward to running it later...But-I put N3 away about 12 months
ago-BOOOORRRINNG!
BTW-when did any developer display beer or tobacco cars properly?DUH!
They'll be EXACTLY the same in N4, They are simply not allowed to have Bud
on the car, if they were allowed, they would.
And of course, you meant NASCAR 4 in your last paragraph. :-)
I agree, N4 will be better than this, that is my honest forseeing, but at
the moment NH is da bomb.
--
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Ben <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
> plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> thoughts:
>
> I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless
> some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and
> "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the
> heck out of me.
>
> Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in
> real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> little while.
>
> Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of
> mass hysteria over this title.
>
> That's it, flame away.
>
> Ben
You know I have seen this happen in other sim forums where the developers
will post good helpful information only to be blasted by posters. It's
really sad because I hate seeing another simulation community die because of
ignorant people but it looks like it's going to happen. So please just ry to
ignore those post they don't represent the normal members of this community.
Remember Ed most people who like your product probably won't post here about
most people post to new groups only to complain or to get there Jerry
Springer fix.
--
Jeff Murchison JR
"Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Yzep5.160$[email hidden]...
> Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-)
>
> All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a publisher
> is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your comment is
a
> little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I was at
> Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few other
> publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people like you
> that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah. Well
> then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate you so
much
> are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here?
>
> So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit that little
> send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwise intelligent, but
a
> lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last gratuitous
> line.
>
> --ed.
>
> "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]...
> > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good physics,
> and
> > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I played on
> > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a
while
> > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone getting
> > excited about this title are just looking for something new and fresh,
> which
> > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. I will
> be
> > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the
heck
> of
> > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an
> > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as well,
but
> > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all I ask.
> >
> >
> > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
> > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > > thoughts:
> > >
> > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless
> > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and
> > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the
> > > heck out of me.
> > >
> > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in
> > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > > little while.
> > >
> > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of
> > > mass hysteria over this title.
> > >
> > > That's it, flame away.
> > >
> > > Ben
> >
> >
>
>
If you think NASCAR Heat is "100% arcade," then you're not going to be
any more impressed with GP3. If you're interested in an F1 title, save
your money and pick up a copy of F1 2000 if you don't have it already.
-- JB
In article <Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]>,
"Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very goodphysics, and
> the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I playedon
> Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite awhile
> and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyonegetting
> excited about this title are just looking for something new andfresh, which
> this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. Iwill be
> heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for theheck of
> it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an
> arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me aswell, but
> please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all Iask.
the
> > heck out of me.
> >
> > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, likein
> > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > little while.
> >
> > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bitof
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> > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > thoughts: > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugsQuoted text (7 lines)
> > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > Ben > >Opps my secrete is out...:-)
--
Jeff Murchison JR
[email hidden]
"Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:GQep5.162$[email hidden]...
> Careful or you'll be accused of being Monica Lewinski or something! :-)
>
>
> "Murchman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:8o3tbh$9rh3r$[email hidden]...
> > You know I have seen this happen in other sim forums where the
developers
> > will post good helpful information only to be blasted by posters. It's
> > really sad because I hate seeing another simulation community die
because
> of
> > ignorant people but it looks like it's going to happen. So please just
ry
> to
> > ignore those post they don't represent the normal members of this
> community.
> > Remember Ed most people who like your product probably won't post here
> about
> > most people post to new groups only to complain or to get there Jerry
> > Springer fix.
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Murchison JR
> >
> >
> > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:Yzep5.160$[email hidden]...
> > > Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-)
> > >
> > > All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a
> publisher
> > > is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your comment
> is
> > a
> > > little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I
was
> at
> > > Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few other
> > > publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people like
> you
> > > that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah.
> Well
> > > then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate you so
> > much
> > > are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here?
> > >
> > > So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit that
> little
> > > send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwise intelligent,
> but
> > a
> > > lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last
gratuitous
> > > line.
> > >
> > > --ed.
> > >
> > > "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]...
> > > > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good
> physics,
> > > and
> > > > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I
played
> on
> > > > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a
> > while
> > > > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone
> getting
> > > > excited about this title are just looking for something new and
fresh,
> > > which
> > > > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. I
> will
> > > be
> > > > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the
> > heck
> > > of
> > > > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is
an
> > > > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as
well,
> > but
> > > > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all I
> ask.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45
bucks
> > > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > > > > thoughts:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back
unless
> > > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty"
and
> > > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs
> the
> > > > > heck out of me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo.
If
> > > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like
> in
> > > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under
the
> > > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air
a
> > > > > little while.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit
> of
> > > > > mass hysteria over this title.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's it, flame away.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Not a flame but a general comment: I've never gotten airborne as much
as you guys say you have in the NASCAR Heat demo, and I don't think
I've gotten upside-down more than once or twice. Could it be that I'm
hitting the wall a little more realistically (or maybe just *less*)
than you guys?
-- JB
In article <[email hidden]>,
Ben <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Quoted text (25 lines)
> Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > thoughts: > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > heck out of me. > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > little while. > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > mass hysteria over this title. > > That's it, flame away. > > Ben >If you think NASCAR Heat is "100% arcade," then you're not going to be
any more impressed with GP3. If you're interested in an F1 title, save
your money and pick up a copy of F1 2000 if you don't have it already.
-- JB
In article <Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]>,
"Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very goodphysics, and
> the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I playedon
> Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite awhile
> and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyonegetting
> excited about this title are just looking for something new andfresh, which
> this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. Iwill be
> heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for theheck of
> it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an
> arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me aswell, but
> please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all Iask.
the
> > heck out of me.
> >
> > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, likein
> > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > little while.
> >
> > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bitof
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> > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > thoughts: > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugsQuoted text (7 lines)
> > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > Ben > >Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
thoughts:
I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless
some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and
"Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the
heck out of me.
Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in
real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
little while.
Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of
mass hysteria over this title.
That's it, flame away.
Ben
THat Rusty and Dale Jr. wil probably be similar to what NASCAR 4 will have.
They aren't all0wed to put the alcohol or tobacco sponsors on cars. N3
didn't have it, none of the current F1 games have it. All of them have been
created separately though, so I wouldn't bother with that being a problem.
I will agree that you still get air too easily (nothing will ever beat the
EA NASCAR games in this area though IMO).
-Pav
Ben <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > thoughts: > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > heck out of me. > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > little while. > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > mass hysteria over this title. > > That's it, flame away. > > Benagreed.
Ben <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
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> Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > thoughts: > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > heck out of me. > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > little while. > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > mass hysteria over this title. > > That's it, flame away. > > Ben1) You should try Expert or Hardcore mode.
2) If you're expecting anyone else's NASCAR title to ship with alcohol or
tobacco marks, you're going to be disappointed with them, too.
"Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
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> Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > thoughts: > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > heck out of me. > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > little while. > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > mass hysteria over this title. > > That's it, flame away. > > BenI picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good physics, and
the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I played on
Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a while
and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone getting
excited about this title are just looking for something new and fresh, which
this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. I will be
heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the heck of
it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an
arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as well, but
please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all I ask.
"Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (24 lines)
> Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > thoughts: > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > heck out of me. > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > little while. > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > mass hysteria over this title. > > That's it, flame away. > > BenSo far I'm not very impressed with it and agree that you get air *way* too
easily. I think they are catering to the arcade players by making it so
easy to get air but hard to guess their intentions. I am going to play this
a couple more days before deciding if I should return it or not, I don't
think I can make that decision as quick as some of you. But if I had to
decide now, it would get returned. It's just not that good. Don't know how
else to put it, it's an "o.k." arcade nascar game with some effects thrown
in to make it kinda like a sim.
"Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > thoughts: > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > heck out of me. > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > little while. > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > mass hysteria over this title. > > That's it, flame away. > > BenGee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-)
All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a publisher
is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your comment is a
little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I was at
Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few other
publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people like you
that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah. Well
then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate you so much
are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here?
So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit that little
send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwise intelligent, but a
lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last gratuitous
line.
--ed.
"Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]...
> I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good physics,and
> the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I played on
> Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a while
> and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone getting
> excited about this title are just looking for something new and fresh,which
> this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. I willbe
> heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the heckof
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> it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as well, but > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all I ask. > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > thoughts: > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > > heck out of me. > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > > little while. > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > Ben > >[email hidden] (Scott Gibson) wrote in
<Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]>:
>that. You can flame me as well, but please remove your tongue's from
>Ed's butt before replying is all I ask.
>
Perhaps you could attempt to remove your head from yours before making
comments like that.
--
Scott B. Husted
"PA-Scott"
News Editor - The Pits (http://www.TheUSPits.com)
ICQ# 4395450
I only have the demo, but played about 3-4 hrs total on Richmond and
Daytona. Im in UK and although we get NASCAR on digital I can't
say I'm a fan, I think you have to follow a team/driver for that.
I played it for fun and it certainly has been that. Can't comment
about the physics as I've never raced NASCAR but it is very
challenging trying to set a top time or win from the back.
I can win from the back in Daytona Day and Night (shorter) on
hardcore but opposition is only medium. I still havent won at Richmond
despite starting on pole once and always in the top 5, just get too
wild late on.
I have GP3 and may play it again if it gets fixed enough or if
I really get bored with everything else, personally, I think NH is
more fun than GP3 although maybe not a great sim.
I am looking forward to N4 with the GPL engine, being a GPL
fanatic (who does play other games). NH not avail in UK but
I may have bought on impulse if it was.
MaXX
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:29:50 -0500, Ben <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks >plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my >thoughts: > >I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless >some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and >"Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and >Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the >heck out of me. > >Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If >you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car >flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in >real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the >car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a >little while. > >Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no >substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of >mass hysteria over this title. > >That's it, flame away. > >BenCareful or you'll be accused of being Monica Lewinski or something! :-)
"Murchman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:8o3tbh$9rh3r$[email hidden]...
> You know I have seen this happen in other sim forums where the developers
> will post good helpful information only to be blasted by posters. It's
> really sad because I hate seeing another simulation community die becauseof
> ignorant people but it looks like it's going to happen. So please just ryto
> ignore those post they don't represent the normal members of thiscommunity.
> Remember Ed most people who like your product probably won't post hereabout
publisher
> > is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your commentis
> a
> > little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I wasat
> > Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few other
> > publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people likeyou
> > that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah.Well
> > then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate you so
> much
> > are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here?
> >
> > So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit thatlittle
> > send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwise intelligent,but
physics,
> > and
> > > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I playedon
> > > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a
> while
> > > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyonegetting
> > > excited about this title are just looking for something new and fresh,
> > which
> > > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. Iwill
ask.
the
> > > > heck out of me.
> > > >
> > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, likein
> > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > > > little while.
> > > >
> > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bitof
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> most people post to new groups only to complain or to get there Jerry > Springer fix. > > -- > Jeff Murchison JR > > > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Yzep5.160$[email hidden]... > > Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-) > > > > All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from aQuoted text (9 lines)
> a > > lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last gratuitous > > line. > > > > --ed. > > > > "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]... > > > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very goodQuoted text (8 lines)
> > be > > > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the > heck > > of > > > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an > > > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as well, > but > > > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all IQuoted text (12 lines)
> > > > > > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > > > thoughts: > > > > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugsQuoted text (11 lines)
> > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > >So you're saying that the full version is completely different from the
fantastic demo that I've been playing for the past two weeks?
The demo version I have is so much better than any Papyrus NASCAR sim that a
comparison would just be silly, and with NASCAR 4 still six months away from
shipping I'm not going to pass up NASCAR Heat just because N4 *might* be
better.
"Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
> plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> thoughts:
Get that man a Cigar!
Congratulations on getting the product to the street, Ed. I'm going out to buy
mine later today.
Mark E. Mooney
Ed Martin wrote:
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> Careful or you'll be accused of being Monica Lewinski or something! :-) > > "Murchman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8o3tbh$9rh3r$[email hidden]... > > You know I have seen this happen in other sim forums where the developers > > will post good helpful information only to be blasted by posters. It's > > really sad because I hate seeing another simulation community die because > of > > ignorant people but it looks like it's going to happen. So please just ry > to > > ignore those post they don't represent the normal members of this > community. > > Remember Ed most people who like your product probably won't post here > about > > most people post to new groups only to complain or to get there Jerry > > Springer fix. > > > > -- > > Jeff Murchison JR > > > > > > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Yzep5.160$[email hidden]... > > > Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-) > > > > > > All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a > publisher > > > is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your comment > is > > a > > > little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I was > at > > > Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few other > > > publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people like > you > > > that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah. > Well > > > then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate you so > > much > > > are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here? > > > > > > So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit that > little > > > send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwise intelligent, > but > > a > > > lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last gratuitous > > > line. > > > > > > --ed. > > > > > > "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]... > > > > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good > physics, > > > and > > > > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I played > on > > > > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a > > while > > > > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone > getting > > > > excited about this title are just looking for something new and fresh, > > > which > > > > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. I > will > > > be > > > > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the > > heck > > > of > > > > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an > > > > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as well, > > but > > > > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all I > ask. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > > > > thoughts: > > > > > > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs > the > > > > > heck out of me. > > > > > > > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > > > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > > > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like > in > > > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > > > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > > > > > little while. > > > > > > > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > > > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit > of > > > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:50:36 -0500, "Tracey Miller"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
Heck, as I wrote when starting this thread, I think NASCAR 3 is
better! So NASCAR 4 had certainly better be better! If that makes
any sense! :D
To clarify a point I made earlier about the car logos...in NASCAR 3
Papyrus gave you a way to change the logos on competitor's cars. Had
Hasbro included a paintkit with the same features as Papyrus, it might
have made this "Heat" game a keeper. I can't believe it's not there.
((There's a paintkit, but you can only paint your own car!)
Ben
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>So you're saying that the full version is completely different from the >fantastic demo that I've been playing for the past two weeks? > >The demo version I have is so much better than any Papyrus NASCAR sim that a >comparison would just be silly, and with NASCAR 4 still six months away from >shipping I'm not going to pass up NASCAR Heat just because N4 *might* be >better. >First of all, Great comback Ed!!,
I have to say that though I am not a big fan of Nascar, but I have
enjoyed the NH demo immensely for a couple of reasons.
1. GREAT driving model, the physics seem to be pretty realistic to me,
and I'm heavy into GPL, so don't give me the stock "It's no GPL" line of
BS.
2. GREAT developer support, this fact more than any other is the reason
I'm going to buy this title, because Ed Martin has been in here
PERSONALLY answering peoples questions AND dealing with all the pain in
the ass whining and complaining that has become so common in the Sim
Racing community. That kind of dedication doesn't come easy in todays
world of Auto Sim Developers. I think Ed and all the people who worked
on Nascar Heat have done a great job and I would hope that he continues
to frequent this forum. Although I can't say that I'd blame him if he
left.
Thomas JS Brown
Ed Martin wrote:
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> > Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-) > > All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a publisher > is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your comment is a > little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I was at > Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few other > publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people like you > that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah. Well > then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate you so much > are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here? > > So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit that little > send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwise intelligent, but a > lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last gratuitous > line. > > --ed. > > "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]... > > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good physics, > and > > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I played on > > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a while > > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone getting > > excited about this title are just looking for something new and fresh, > which > > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. I will > be > > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the heck > of > > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an > > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as well, but > > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all I ask. > > > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > > thoughts: > > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > > > heck out of me. > > > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > > > little while. > > > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > Ben > > > >> I will be
>heading back to EB tommorrow to return it,
This is not directed specifically at you , but am I the only person
who is bothered by this idea of buying something only to see if you
like it and returning it if you don't? I thought product returns were
supposed to be either:
A; Defective merchandise
B: Gifts from other people that had no idea what you already had,
wanted, or liked.
I was brought up to think that you investigate a product and decide if
it is what you want or not, then if you decide it's for you, you buy
it and keep it. If you bought it on a whim, why is it the store's
problem because you made a bad choice?
Along with the theoretical costs that piracy supposedly adds to the
price of things, has anyone of you who thinks puchasing something is
tantamount to a trial period ever considered the expense of processing
lots of returned merchandise?
With an available demo, why is it necessary to buy and return
something, making a retail purchase into a demo at the store's
expense? It strikes me as similar to the way some people send their
food back in a restaurant even if there is nothing wrong with it, just
because they can.
~daxe
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:19:08 -0400 Ed Martin <[email hidden]> wrote:
% Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-)
% All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a publisher
% is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your comment is a
% little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I was at
% Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few other
% publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people like you
% that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah. Well
% then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate you so much
% are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here?
And may I add Ed, that you were one of the few who could come back
strong and "restrained" at the same time. Next to Rick Genter (ICR2),
you have to be the class poster as a representative of a sim publisher.
Good to see you still have it in ya (oops that could be taken the wrong
way <G>).....
--
**************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
[email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
If you call that a "review" ... well, don't quit your day job.
daxe, you're assuming that people are willing to take responsibility for
their actions. Haven't you been listening to the news these past 8 years?
"Ah, it's not my fault."
--
Slot
Tweaks & Reviews
www.slottweak.com
"daxe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> > I will be
> >heading back to EB tommorrow to return it,
>
> This is not directed specifically at you , but am I the only person
> who is bothered by this idea of buying something only to see if you
> like it and returning it if you don't? I thought product returns were
> supposed to be either:
>
> A; Defective merchandise
>
> B: Gifts from other people that had no idea what you already had,
> wanted, or liked.
>
> I was brought up to think that you investigate a product and decide if
> it is what you want or not, then if you decide it's for you, you buy
> it and keep it. If you bought it on a whim, why is it the store's
> problem because you made a bad choice?
>
> Along with the theoretical costs that piracy supposedly adds to the
> price of things, has anyone of you who thinks puchasing something is
> tantamount to a trial period ever considered the expense of processing
> lots of returned merchandise?
>
> With an available demo, why is it necessary to buy and return
> something, making a retail purchase into a demo at the store's
> expense? It strikes me as similar to the way some people send their
> food back in a restaurant even if there is nothing wrong with it, just
> because they can.
>
> ~daxe
"Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]...
> I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good physics,and
> the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I played on
> Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a while
> and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone getting
> excited about this title are just looking for something new and fresh,which
> this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. I willbe
> heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the heckof
> it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an
> arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as well, but
> please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all I ask.
You want to swap Nascar Heat for GP3 ? Send me an e-mail and we'll arrange
it !
GP3 is a pile of you-know-what !
I've gotten airborne at every track... Once I even got airborne as I got
loose exiting the pits at Atlanta. Got sideways doing about 100MPH, and that
stupid apron sent a car into me, and viola, I went rolling down the apron.
COME ON!!!
AND is it me, or does the acceleration just seem totally wierd in the game.
It's like first g, second ge, third gea,
foouuuuuurrrrrttttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhh
gggggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
rrrrr!!!!
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o3uvj$dhb$[email hidden]...
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> Not a flame but a general comment: I've never gotten airborne as much > as you guys say you have in the NASCAR Heat demo, and I don't think > I've gotten upside-down more than once or twice. Could it be that I'm > hitting the wall a little more realistically (or maybe just *less*) > than you guys? > > -- JB > > In article <[email hidden]>, > Ben <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > thoughts: > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > > heck out of me. > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > > little while. > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > Ben > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.It's pretty funny really. You can murder babies before they are born, but
you can't put a beer or a pack of smokes on a car. I guess I just don't get
it.
--
Todd S.
"Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:u4ep5.157$[email hidden]...
> 1) You should try Expert or Hardcore mode.
>
> 2) If you're expecting anyone else's NASCAR title to ship with alcohol or
> tobacco marks, you're going to be disappointed with them, too.
>
>
> "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
> > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > thoughts:
> >
> > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless
> > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and
> > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the
> > heck out of me.
> >
> > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in
> > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > little while.
> >
> > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of
> > mass hysteria over this title.
> >
> > That's it, flame away.
> >
> > Ben
>
>
I bought mine today. I love arcade games.
--
Todd S.
"Mark Mooney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Get that man a Cigar!
> Congratulations on getting the product to the street, Ed. I'm going out
to buy
> mine later today.
>
> Mark E. Mooney
>
> Ed Martin wrote:
>
> > Careful or you'll be accused of being Monica Lewinski or something! :-)
> >
> > "Murchman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:8o3tbh$9rh3r$[email hidden]...
> > > You know I have seen this happen in other sim forums where the
developers
> > > will post good helpful information only to be blasted by posters. It's
> > > really sad because I hate seeing another simulation community die
because
> > of
> > > ignorant people but it looks like it's going to happen. So please just
ry
> > to
> > > ignore those post they don't represent the normal members of this
> > community.
> > > Remember Ed most people who like your product probably won't post here
> > about
> > > most people post to new groups only to complain or to get there Jerry
> > > Springer fix.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff Murchison JR
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:Yzep5.160$[email hidden]...
> > > > Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-)
> > > >
> > > > All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a
> > publisher
> > > > is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your
comment
> > is
> > > a
> > > > little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I
was
> > at
> > > > Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few
other
> > > > publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people
like
> > you
> > > > that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah.
> > Well
> > > > then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate you
so
> > > much
> > > > are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here?
> > > >
> > > > So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit that
> > little
> > > > send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwise
intelligent,
> > but
> > > a
> > > > lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last
gratuitous
> > > > line.
> > > >
> > > > --ed.
> > > >
> > > > "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]...
> > > > > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good
> > physics,
> > > > and
> > > > > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I
played
> > on
> > > > > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite
a
> > > while
> > > > > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone
> > getting
> > > > > excited about this title are just looking for something new and
fresh,
> > > > which
> > > > > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best.
I
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for
the
> > > heck
> > > > of
> > > > > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it
is an
> > > > > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as
well,
> > > but
> > > > > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all
I
> > ask.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45
bucks
> > > > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > > > > > thoughts:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back
unless
> > > > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty"
and
> > > > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > > > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it
bugs
> > the
> > > > > > heck out of me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo.
If
> > > > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the
car
> > > > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know,
like
> > in
> > > > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under
the
> > > > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the
air a
> > > > > > little while.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little
bit
> > of
> > > > > > mass hysteria over this title.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's it, flame away.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ben
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
That tongue in the butt thing is pretty crude, although Ed really is getting
his butt kissed here, I must admit. Way to go Ed!! Oops.....
--
Todd S
"Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]...
> I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good physics,
and
> the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I played on
> Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a while
> and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone getting
> excited about this title are just looking for something new and fresh,
which
> this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. I will
be
> heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the heck
of
> it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an
> arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as well, but
> please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all I ask.
>
>
> "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
> > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > thoughts:
> >
> > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless
> > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and
> > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the
> > heck out of me.
> >
> > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in
> > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > little while.
> >
> > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of
> > mass hysteria over this title.
> >
> > That's it, flame away.
> >
> > Ben
>
>
Scott Gibson drooled:
> please remove your tongue's ...
Well, there goes the neighborhood ... again.
BB
ed and the guys are already working with the community ... it wont be long
before carsets, sounds etc are ready for this title.
Shane
Sgt. Stadanko <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
that a
> >comparison would just be silly, and with NASCAR 4 still six months awayfrom
Quoted text (20 lines)
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:50:36 -0500, "Tracey Miller" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Heck, as I wrote when starting this thread, I think NASCAR 3 is > better! So NASCAR 4 had certainly better be better! If that makes > any sense! :D > > To clarify a point I made earlier about the car logos...in NASCAR 3 > Papyrus gave you a way to change the logos on competitor's cars. Had > Hasbro included a paintkit with the same features as Papyrus, it might > have made this "Heat" game a keeper. I can't believe it's not there. > ((There's a paintkit, but you can only paint your own car!) > > Ben > > > >So you're saying that the full version is completely different from the > >fantastic demo that I've been playing for the past two weeks? > > > >The demo version I have is so much better than any Papyrus NASCAR simQuoted text (8 lines)
> >shipping I'm not going to pass up NASCAR Heat just because N4 *might* be > >better. > > > > > > >if you dont like the gearing ... go to the garage and change it ... same as
gpl ... if you cant change it then you are in normal aka arcade mode
Shane
rogue_3d <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:8o4512$8fa$[email hidden]...
> I've gotten airborne at every track... Once I even got airborne as I got
> loose exiting the pits at Atlanta. Got sideways doing about 100MPH, andthat
> stupid apron sent a car into me, and viola, I went rolling down the apron.
> COME ON!!!
>
> AND is it me, or does the acceleration just seem totally wierd in thegame.
> It's like first g, second ge, third gea,
> foouuuuuurrrrrttttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhh
>gggggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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> rrrrr!!!! > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o3uvj$dhb$[email hidden]... > > Not a flame but a general comment: I've never gotten airborne as much > > as you guys say you have in the NASCAR Heat demo, and I don't think > > I've gotten upside-down more than once or twice. Could it be that I'm > > hitting the wall a little more realistically (or maybe just *less*) > > than you guys? > > > > -- JB > > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > Ben <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > > thoughts: > > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > > > heck out of me. > > > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > > > little while. > > > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >I prefer GP3 to F1 2k, feels more like I'd expect an F1 car to drive, F1
2k's cars seem too heavy.(IMO)
--
Ian P (GPL rank -34ish)
<email invalid due to spam>
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o3usc$dg4$[email hidden]...
> If you think NASCAR Heat is "100% arcade," then you're not going to be
> any more impressed with GP3. If you're interested in an F1 title, save
> your money and pick up a copy of F1 2000 if you don't have it already.
>
> -- JB
>
> In article <Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]>,
> "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good
> physics, and
> > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I played
> on
> > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a
> while
> > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone
> getting
> > excited about this title are just looking for something new and
> fresh, which
> > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. I
> will be
> > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the
> heck of
> > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an
> > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as
> well, but
> > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all I
> ask.
> >
> > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
> > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > > thoughts:
> > >
> > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless
> > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and
> > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs
> the
> > > heck out of me.
> > >
> > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like
> in
> > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > > little while.
> > >
> > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit
> of
> > > mass hysteria over this title.
> > >
> > > That's it, flame away.
> > >
> > > Ben
> >
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
HeHe, and usind the logic applied around here lately, isn't that
sposed to be Nascar 2.3?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:05:00 -0500, rrevved
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:29:50 -0500, Ben <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death.
>
>LOL!!
>
I hear you but at the same time use the system, I don't need more
restrictions. It's there to be used otherwise EB can drop it, it's there
sales gimmick. Eitherway I'm not a huge returner myself, although I have
returned a game. I'm disappointed that I have to do this. By the way I will
be picking this up this weekend. I liked the demo it definitely has the
quality to try it out. I won't know really how well I like this until I have
a lan party to compare it to N3, DTR or Toca 2 for that matter...
But I don't feel it all a morals issue since it's advertised by EB as a
feature for buying there. You drop this and sales will even be less for the
pc game houses.
BH
"daxe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
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> > I will be > >heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, > > This is not directed specifically at you , but am I the only person > who is bothered by this idea of buying something only to see if you > like it and returning it if you don't? I thought product returns were > supposed to be either: > > A; Defective merchandise > > B: Gifts from other people that had no idea what you already had, > wanted, or liked. > > I was brought up to think that you investigate a product and decide if > it is what you want or not, then if you decide it's for you, you buy > it and keep it. If you bought it on a whim, why is it the store's > problem because you made a bad choice? > > Along with the theoretical costs that piracy supposedly adds to the > price of things, has anyone of you who thinks puchasing something is > tantamount to a trial period ever considered the expense of processing > lots of returned merchandise? > > With an available demo, why is it necessary to buy and return > something, making a retail purchase into a demo at the store's > expense? It strikes me as similar to the way some people send their > food back in a restaurant even if there is nothing wrong with it, just > because they can. > > ~daxe
> This is not directed specifically at you , but am I the only person
> who is bothered by this idea of buying something only to see if you
> like it and returning it if you don't?
I certainly hope so.
you forgot - C. dissatisfaction
> I was brought up to think that you investigate a product and decide if
> it is what you want or not, then if you decide it's for you, you buy
> it and keep it. If you bought it on a whim, why is it the store's
> problem because you made a bad choice?
It's the store's problem because they have a return guarantee.
> Along with the theoretical costs that piracy supposedly adds to the
> price of things, has anyone of you who thinks puchasing something is
> tantamount to a trial period ever considered the expense of processing
> lots of returned merchandise?
Just an FYI ... EB/Babbages/SoftETC simply reseal the box, place it back on
the shelf, and re-sell it. They aren't losing anything.
> With an available demo, why is it necessary to buy and return
> something, making a retail purchase into a demo at the store's
> expense?
Not everyone has internet access. Not everyone has fast internet access. Not
all games have demos, especially before the game's release. People should
NOT be expected to dnload a demo anyway as proof that a product isn't a
lemon. Besides, since when do demos, usually heavily crippled, actually
fortell the quality of the actual full version?
>It strikes me as similar to the way some people send their
> food back in a restaurant even if there is nothing wrong with it, just
> because they can.
I waited tables for six years and don't see your comparison at all. I very
rarely had someone send their food back just "because they could". 99% of
the time it was because they weren't satisfied with it. They paid for it,
and they *should* be satisfied with it. Same for the software. Why in God's
name should someone be expected to take the loss on a $45 piece of software
if they aren't happy with it, when almost no other product on the market is
subject to those conditions?
It's called capitalism/free-enterprise ... Businesses have return guarantees
in place as a competitive measure to gain your business. If they don't want
people to return software, then don't have the policy, its that simple. Some
stores, such as CompUSA don't allow software returns. That's their choice.
Nobody is taking advantage of anyone, the stores are allowing the returns by
their own free will. As a consumer, you should LOVE this policy, because it
protects you.
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> I thought product returns were > supposed to be either: > > A; Defective merchandise > > B: Gifts from other people that had no idea what you already had, > wanted, or liked.To Ed, I haven't played the game much but you guys may learn something
positive about what sells. This is the Insane Possey Driving ng here. If it
ain't hard then it sucks, granted it has to be hard but masterable....
But one thing I noticed in the demo was that your standard mode was very
driver friendly, hopefully Papyrus hasn't scared the bejesus out of the
common folk to give this a try, as the vast majority of Nascar racing fans
(aka avg racing Joes) in America will be pleasantly surprised that they can
control the car easily out of the box. Nascar 1-2-3 have always alienated
the masses. In NH I immediately felt that this has this potential. As many
Deerhunters are sold pretty much tells you how many Nascar's can be sold if
you can make a game for them. I feel your standard mode may just be the
ticket.
This isn't a knock, as you guys have wisely created more professional modes
that hopefully in your case will please the pro's in this group just because
they are the ones that are gonna bitch and moan publicly. Believe me the
typical fan is usually intimidated with Papy's offerings and won't play it,
afraid of looking bad in a crowd.
I can only say I've raced with many people that don't go looking for a
racing game on the internet, practice etc... like people here do. I've raced
many times with people who never kicked up a steering wheel on a pc and
found out that they only enjoy games that they can immediately have success
with, this game has that potential and that is where the money is. There
isn't a NG in existence that can explain the likes of games like Deer Hunter
but they sell a ton. Hopefully your game can be so bad. :)
I know my views on this angle have always been passe in this group. But I
know first hand there is nothing better than getting the boys over for a lan
party and doing some exciting racing without having to practice first. Toca
2 still is the best overall in this arena, untterly speechless.
BH
"Chuck G." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Fkep5.55334$[email hidden]...
> So far I'm not very impressed with it and agree that you get air *way* too
> easily. I think they are catering to the arcade players by making it so
> easy to get air but hard to guess their intentions. I am going to playthis
> a couple more days before deciding if I should return it or not, I don't
> think I can make that decision as quick as some of you. But if I had to
> decide now, it would get returned. It's just not that good. Don't knowhow
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> else to put it, it's an "o.k." arcade nascar game with some effects thrown > in to make it kinda like a sim. > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > thoughts: > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > > heck out of me. > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > > little while. > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > Ben > >You got that right. You should have to be the folks that have to review all
the assets that go into a title like Heat & "sanitize" it all. Yikes!!! :-)
"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:eNgp5.68845$[email hidden]...
> It's pretty funny really. You can murder babies before they are born, but
> you can't put a beer or a pack of smokes on a car. I guess I just don'tget
or
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> it. > > -- > Todd S. > > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:u4ep5.157$[email hidden]... > > 1) You should try Expert or Hardcore mode. > > > > 2) If you're expecting anyone else's NASCAR title to ship with alcoholQuoted text (33 lines)
> > tobacco marks, you're going to be disappointed with them, too. > > > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > > thoughts: > > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > > > heck out of me. > > > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > > > little while. > > > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > Ben > > > > > >BTW, nice blue dress. ;-)
"Murchman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:8o3to2$9p05c$[email hidden]...
comment
> > is
> > > a
> > > > little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I
> was
> > at
> > > > Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a fewother
> > > > publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's peoplelike
> > you
> > > > that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah.
> > Well
> > > > then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate youso
> > > much
> > > > are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here?
> > > >
> > > > So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit that
> > little
> > > > send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwiseintelligent,
a
I
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 forthe
> > > heck
> > > > of
> > > > > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but itis
> an
> > > > > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as
> well,
> > > but
> > > > > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is allI
bugs
> > the
> > > > > > heck out of me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo.
> If
> > > > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...thecar
> > > > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know,like
> > in
> > > > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under
> the
> > > > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in theair
> a
> > > > > > little while.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a littlebit
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> Opps my secrete is out...:-) > > -- > Jeff Murchison JR > [email hidden] > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:GQep5.162$[email hidden]... > > Careful or you'll be accused of being Monica Lewinski or something! :-) > > > > > > "Murchman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8o3tbh$9rh3r$[email hidden]... > > > You know I have seen this happen in other sim forums where the > developers > > > will post good helpful information only to be blasted by posters. It's > > > really sad because I hate seeing another simulation community die > because > > of > > > ignorant people but it looks like it's going to happen. So please just > ry > > to > > > ignore those post they don't represent the normal members of this > > community. > > > Remember Ed most people who like your product probably won't post here > > about > > > most people post to new groups only to complain or to get there Jerry > > > Springer fix. > > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Murchison JR > > > > > > > > > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:Yzep5.160$[email hidden]... > > > > Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-) > > > > > > > > All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a > > publisher > > > > is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think yourQuoted text (17 lines)
> > but > > > a > > > > lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last > gratuitous > > > > line. > > > > > > > > --ed. > > > > > > > > "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]... > > > > > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good > > physics, > > > > and > > > > > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I > played > > on > > > > > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quiteQuoted text (7 lines)
> > > while > > > > > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone > > getting > > > > > excited about this title are just looking for something new and > fresh, > > > > which > > > > > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best.Quoted text (16 lines)
> > ask. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 > bucks > > > > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > > > > > thoughts: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back > unless > > > > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" > and > > > > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > > > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but itQuoted text (16 lines)
> > of > > > > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed, I gotta ask this coz I'm dying to know :)
Have you ever had, or heard of, anyone 'suggest' or even code Driver
Injury into a Race Sim? (Imagine not being able to finish a season after
3 races because that last smash removed the ability to use your
legs/arms/life anymore *vbg*)
What with all the 'realism' level discussions that the sim community get
so 'passionate' about I know I'd code it if I were a sim developer, but
I think it's quite likely it is that the publisher/producer would prolly
have that taken out damn quick.
Well? Would You? and Why?
Freeburn.
Ed Martin wrote:
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> > You got that right. You should have to be the folks that have to review all > the assets that go into a title like Heat & "sanitize" it all. Yikes!!! :-) > > "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:eNgp5.68845$[email hidden]... > > It's pretty funny really. You can murder babies before they are born, but > > you can't put a beer or a pack of smokes on a car. I guess I just don't > get > > it. > > > > -- > > Todd S. > > > > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:u4ep5.157$[email hidden]... > > > 1) You should try Expert or Hardcore mode. > > > > > > 2) If you're expecting anyone else's NASCAR title to ship with alcohol > or > > > tobacco marks, you're going to be disappointed with them, too. > > > > > > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > > > thoughts: > > > > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > > > > heck out of me. > > > > > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > > > > little while. > > > > > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > >
"Mark Mooney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Get that man a Cigar! Any truth to the rumour that the ceegar clinton used was called:
el Presidente???
> Congratulations on getting the product to the street, Ed. I'm going outto buy
> mine later today. On time to boot. Whens the first patch due? :)
dave henrie
developers
> > > will post good helpful information only to be blasted by posters. It's
> > > really sad because I hate seeing another simulation community diebecause
> > of
> > > ignorant people but it looks like it's going to happen. So please justry
comment
> > is
> > > a
> > > > little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when Iwas
> > at
> > > > Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a fewother
> > > > publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's peoplelike
> > you
> > > > that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah.
> > Well
> > > > then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate youso
> > > much
> > > > are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here?
> > > >
> > > > So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit that
> > little
> > > > send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwiseintelligent,
> > but
> > > a
> > > > lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the lastgratuitous
played
> > on
> > > > > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quitea
> > > while
> > > > > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone
> > getting
> > > > > excited about this title are just looking for something new andfresh,
> > > > which
> > > > > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best.I
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 forthe
> > > heck
> > > > of
> > > > > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but itis an
> > > > > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me aswell,
> > > but
> > > > > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is allI
> > ask.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45bucks
> > > > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > > > > > thoughts:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going backunless
> > > > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty"and
> > > > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > > > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but itbugs
> > the
> > > > > > heck out of me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo.If
> > > > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...thecar
> > > > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know,like
> > in
> > > > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air underthe
> > > > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in theair a
> > > > > > little while.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a littlebit
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> > Mark E. Mooney > > Ed Martin wrote: > > > Careful or you'll be accused of being Monica Lewinski or something! :-) > > > > "Murchman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8o3tbh$9rh3r$[email hidden]... > > > You know I have seen this happen in other sim forums where theQuoted text (19 lines)
> > to > > > ignore those post they don't represent the normal members of this > > community. > > > Remember Ed most people who like your product probably won't post here > > about > > > most people post to new groups only to complain or to get there Jerry > > > Springer fix. > > > > > > -- > > > Jeff Murchison JR > > > > > > > > > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:Yzep5.160$[email hidden]... > > > > Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-) > > > > > > > > All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a > > publisher > > > > is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think yourQuoted text (10 lines)
> > > > line. > > > > > > > > --ed. > > > > > > > > "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]... > > > > > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good > > physics, > > > > and > > > > > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. IQuoted text (13 lines)
> > of > > > > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
It's comments like this that has caused me to just about stop posting
and rarely reading this newsgroup anymore.
Joel Willstein
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> [email hidden] (Scott Gibson) wrote in > <Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]>: > > >that. You can flame me as well, but please remove your tongue's from > >Ed's butt before replying is all I ask. > > > > Perhaps you could attempt to remove your head from yours before making > comments like that.> Everything you say above is wrong. I actually prefer the clean
> graphics of N3 to NH.
Me too, I also prefer Pong over Virtua Tennis, LOL!
> Physics are not too bad, maybe they
> can't fly like the cars in NH, but they are still pretty good.
Very good actually, for simulating driving a monorail car.
> NH does
> have better physics (rather obvious), but that still doesn't make N3
> boring so I think you are just overly opinionated.
True, N3 makes N3 boring - not NH, it was boring long before NH.
>>2) If you're expecting anyone else's NASCAR title to ship with alcohol ortobacco marks, you're going to be >>disappointed with them, too.
But they will ship with the ability to CHANGE them...
I wish I could say you mangling my name endeared you to me, but it didn't,
so suffer in solitude.
Jan.
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PapySUX wrote...
> <snip>
> You know, guys like you really hurt my feelings...:<...
>
>
Ian,
Just to get us back off-topic again <G>, I'm running F12K on an AMD K6-
2 400 system with 64 MB of RAM and a 16 MB Voodoo Banshee video card,
and I'm getting VERY good frame rates (low 20s) and very decent
controller responsiveness. Have you tried any of the car setups from
the Blackhole Motorsports site (http://www.bhmotorsports.com)? They do
make a big difference in the car's feel and handling. Also, I
typically drive the Ferrari car -- seems much more responsive than some
of the other teams' cars -- so that might be making a bit of a
difference.
Definitely try turning off the pit lane objects, plus all details in
the mirrors, and turning off particles and smoke, then see how the
steering feels. Granted, you SHOULDN'T have to do this on an Athlon
750 system, but it might make a difference in the physics feel. Also,
try the Ferrari with one of the downloadable setups. ALSO, do you run
"FRAPS" to check your frame rate? You want a STABLE frame rate, not
one which fluctuates as you move around the track -- a solid 20 fps all
around is much better than 50 fps on some parts, with it dropping into
the 20s on other parts. That fps drop will "feel" like lag to you,
especially if you're in the middle of a turn and dialing in steering
corrections.
Let me know what's up on your end, and let's try to keep this thread as
off-topic as we can! <G> (kidding, of course -- should we open a
different thread, I wonder??)
-- JB
In article <8o693p$brv$[email hidden]>,
"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Changed the title a bit to bring it back on topic ;)
>
> I don't think it's a controller issue, I'm running low graphicsdetails at
> 640 x 480 on Athlon 750 with V3 3000. I have tried my MSFF wheel, F1sim and
> a LWFF all give the same results. What does make it better is thehacked
> files made available a while back, but that is a complete painbecause you
> have to change just the file for the car you want to drive as the AIcan't
> handle them. As I am not particularly loyal to any team it's rather
> inconvenient.
> The physics engine in F1 2000 is very good IMO, but out of the boxits not
> modelling an F1 car. This along with the fact that it takes a monsterPC to
> run absolutely ruins the experience for me.
> My ideal F1 sim would be a cross between F1 2000 and GP3.
> From F1 2000. The (hacked) physics modelling, pit communications,the look
> left and right feature, other car sounds, the on dash tyre wear andtemp
> indicator and current season.
> From GP3. The sharpness of the driving feel, FF, weather effects,track
> accuracy, telemetry, own car sound, being able to run (and see) all22 cars
> and general smoothness of gameplay.
> Add in GPL's online racing code and VROC along with the camber andtyre
$[email hidden]...
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Before you buy.
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> pressure settings and it would be the ultimate sim ;) > > -- > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > > PS I apologise if I missed anyone's fave feature from either sim <G> > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o4eii$v03Quoted text (13 lines)
> > The "heavy" feeling may be due to controller lag -- try cutting back > > some of the graphics details in F12K to see if you can get more > > instantaneous controller response. Also, you MIGHT try tweaking the > > speed sensitivity under the controller settings -- that helps a bit, > > too, as the speed sensitivity makes the controller less effective at > > higher speeds, which results in something of a "heavy" feeling in > > itself. (Talk about off-topic, BTW! <G>) > > > > -- JB > > > > In article <8o474g$t3s$[email hidden]>, > > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I prefer GP3 to F1 2k, feels more like I'd expect an F1 car toQuoted text (9 lines)
> > F1 > > > 2k's cars seem too heavy.(IMO) > > > > > > -- > > > Ian P (GPL rank -34ish) > > > <email invalid due to spam> > > > > ><<At least when N4 comes out I know it will be able to save mid race>>
Damn, you beta testing that sucker? you KNOW many things... and lemme
correct ya on one thing - you shoulda said "At least IF N4 comes out..."
N4=Vaporware...
BTW, equating N3 and NH is like Indy Car Racing to GPL!
Jan Vermasturbaten wrote
<<What made you decide to crawl from under your rock?>>
You know, guys like you really hurt my feelings...:<...
<<Apart from the physics why do feel that N3 is boring>>
Ok, I will try to give a serious answer to this legit question...
N3 is running on a tired old game engine that is about 10 years old =
BOORRING!
N3 AI = BOORRING!
N3 graphics = BOOORRING!
N3 physics are a joke = BOOORRINNG!
N3 sound = BOOORRINNGG!
Other than that-it's a great GAME-because it damn well does not SIMULATE
driving a 3500 pound stock car very well now does it?
What made you decide to crawl from under your rock?
Jan.
=---
PapySUX wrote...
> <<I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4>>
>
> AND WAIT YOU SHALL! BENNY BOY! <snip>
Funny that not many people moaned about how close N3 was to N2 and it didn't
even have half the circuits that were in NR99!! One step up two steps
back!!
Chris
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Marc Davey <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> HeHe, and usind the logic applied around here lately, isn't that
> sposed to be Nascar 2.3?
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:05:00 -0500, rrevved
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:29:50 -0500, Ben <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >>Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death.
> >
> >LOL!!
> >
>
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Just one question. Does it still DNF you if you stop in the middle of a
race for a replay? That kills it for me. A save game feature would also be
important, but perhaps I could live without it. But the replay thing...
man, if that's still in there, that's a real head-slapper. Half the fun for
me in sim-racing, even in super hardcore, fireproof pants and balls of brass
GPL, is to be able to immediately relive one of my best "moments", but then
continue on with the race.
Stephen
Ben <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > thoughts: > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > heck out of me. > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > little while. > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > mass hysteria over this title. > > That's it, flame away. > > BenHey, what about Jim Sokoloff that guy was great!
Michael E. Carver <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:lsfp5.23229$[email hidden]...
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:19:08 -0400 Ed Martin <[email hidden]> wrote:
> % Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-)
>
> % All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from apublisher
> % is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your commentis a
> % little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I wasat
> % Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few other
> % publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people likeyou
> % that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah.Well
> % then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate you somuch
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> % are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here? > > And may I add Ed, that you were one of the few who could come back > strong and "restrained" at the same time. Next to Rick Genter (ICR2), > you have to be the class poster as a representative of a sim publisher. > Good to see you still have it in ya (oops that could be taken the wrong > way <G>)..... > > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Actually, I'm with you. Not knocking HEAT, but overall....N4 I feel will
be much better than HEAT. HEAT to me is like NFSPU arcadish with a sim
aspects thrown in to satisfy both ends of the consumers.
-Cheers!
"Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
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> Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > thoughts: > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > heck out of me. > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > little while. > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > mass hysteria over this title. > > That's it, flame away. > > Ben[email hidden] (Ben) wrote:
> I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4
While I'm not going to make the effort to import it, if NH was on the UK streets I'd *certainly* buy it. The (hardcore)
demo isn't perfect but it's a darned sight closer to a real sim than N3 IMO and it simulates a driving experience which
feels far more real than anything GP3 inspires... and I bought that :-)
Mmm... I was greatly disappointed by N3 and GP3. All of a sudden I'm getting a really bad feeling about Doom3.
Andrew "that don't impress me much" McP... in his leopard print jumpsuit
Using this logic I would say N3 should have been N1.667 :-)
"Marc Davey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> HeHe, and usind the logic applied around here lately, isn't that > sposed to be Nascar 2.3? > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:05:00 -0500, rrevved > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:29:50 -0500, Ben <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. > > > >LOL!! > > > >People slam GP3 for being arcadish yet praise HEAT for being arcadish...
Hmmmm.........
"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:jPgp5.68851$[email hidden]...
:-)
> > >
> > > "Murchman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:8o3tbh$9rh3r$[email hidden]...
> > > > You know I have seen this happen in other sim forums where the
> developers
> > > > will post good helpful information only to be blasted by posters.It's
> > > > really sad because I hate seeing another simulation community die
> because
> > > of
> > > > ignorant people but it looks like it's going to happen. So pleasejust
> ry
> > > to
> > > > ignore those post they don't represent the normal members of this
> > > community.
> > > > Remember Ed most people who like your product probably won't posthere
> > > about
> > > > most people post to new groups only to complain or to get thereJerry
I
Nah.
> > > Well
> > > > > then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritateyou
> so
> > > > much
> > > > > are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here?
> > > > >
> > > > > So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hitthat
quite
all
my
> > > > > > > thoughts:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back
> unless
> > > > > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the"Rusty"
> and
> > > > > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Lightand
> > > > > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it
> bugs
> > > the
> > > > > > > heck out of me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from thedemo.
under
> the
> > > > > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the
> air a
> > > > > > > little while.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy isno
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> I bought mine today. I love arcade games. > > -- > Todd S. > > > "Mark Mooney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Get that man a Cigar! > > Congratulations on getting the product to the street, Ed. I'm going out > to buy > > mine later today. > > > > Mark E. Mooney > > > > Ed Martin wrote: > > > > > Careful or you'll be accused of being Monica Lewinski or something!Quoted text (17 lines)
> > > > Springer fix. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jeff Murchison JR > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:Yzep5.160$[email hidden]... > > > > > Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-) > > > > > > > > > > All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a > > > publisher > > > > > is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your > comment > > > is > > > > a > > > > > little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when whenQuoted text (8 lines)
> was > > > at > > > > > Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few > other > > > > > publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people > like > > > you > > > > > that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that?Quoted text (20 lines)
> > > little > > > > > send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwise > intelligent, > > > but > > > > a > > > > > lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last > gratuitous > > > > > line. > > > > > > > > > > --ed. > > > > > > > > > > "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good > > > physics, > > > > > and > > > > > > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I > played > > > on > > > > > > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played forQuoted text (21 lines)
> a > > > > while > > > > > > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone > > > getting > > > > > > excited about this title are just looking for something new and > fresh, > > > > > which > > > > > > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. > I > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for > the > > > > heck > > > > > of > > > > > > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it > is an > > > > > > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as > well, > > > > but > > > > > > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying isQuoted text (9 lines)
> I > > > ask. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 > bucks > > > > > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here areQuoted text (7 lines)
> If > > > > > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the > car > > > > > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, > like > > > in > > > > > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little airQuoted text (17 lines)
> > > > > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little > bit > > > of > > > > > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >you've done that once or twice already? How many races? Many Nascar drivers
never get upside down their entire career, and you've managed to do it in
1-2 days? Without trying too? It's very hared to get airborne in NASCAR,
maybe we're all a little to use to GPL? I had a friend who watched a replay
of the demo, who doesn't do computer sims, and they thought the cars flying
all over the place looked totally unrealistic, and then when everyone drove
away because the damage model is totally non-existent they laughed, no one
ever laughed at GPL... Ok yeah it's a comparison to GPL... big deal :) I'm
not basing anything of this sim to GPL, except for others reactions.
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> Not a flame but a general comment: I've never gotten airborne as much > as you guys say you have in the NASCAR Heat demo, and I don't think > I've gotten upside-down more than once or twice. Could it be that I'm > hitting the wall a little more realistically (or maybe just *less*) > than you guys? > > -- JB > > In article <[email hidden]>, > Ben <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > thoughts: > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the > > heck out of me. > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a > > little while. > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > Ben > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.yeah, that's why he called in a mini-review
Jeff Jones <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> If you call that a "review" ... well, don't quit your day job.
>
>
>
>
The "heavy" feeling may be due to controller lag -- try cutting back
some of the graphics details in F12K to see if you can get more
instantaneous controller response. Also, you MIGHT try tweaking the
speed sensitivity under the controller settings -- that helps a bit,
too, as the speed sensitivity makes the controller less effective at
higher speeds, which results in something of a "heavy" feeling in
itself. (Talk about off-topic, BTW! <G>)
-- JB
In article <8o474g$t3s$[email hidden]>,
"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I prefer GP3 to F1 2k, feels more like I'd expect an F1 car to drive,F1
$[email hidden]...
> > If you think NASCAR Heat is "100% arcade," then you're not going tobe
> > any more impressed with GP3. If you're interested in an F1 title,save
> > your money and pick up a copy of F1 2000 if you don't have italready.
played
> > on
> > > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played forquite a
> > while
> > > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone
> > getting
> > > excited about this title are just looking for something new and
> > fresh, which
> > > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best.I
> > will be
> > > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 forthe
> > heck of
> > > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but itis an
> > > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as
> > well, but
> > > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is allI
> > ask.
> > >
> > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45bucks
> > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > > > thoughts:
> > > >
> > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going backunless
> > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid ofthe "Rusty" and
> > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but itbugs
> > the
> > > > heck out of me.
> > > >
> > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from thedemo. If
> > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...thecar
> > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know,like
> > in
> > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air underthe
> > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in theair a
> > > > little while.
> > > >
> > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a littlebit
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> 2k's cars seem too heavy.(IMO) > > -- > Ian P (GPL rank -34ish) > <email invalid due to spam> > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o3usc$dg4Quoted text (8 lines)
> > > > -- JB > > > > In article <Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]>, > > "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good > > physics, and > > > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. IQuoted text (14 lines)
> > of > > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:27:40 -0400, "PapySUX" <[email hidden]> thus
spoke:
>But-I put N3 away about 12 months
>ago-BOOOORRRINNG!
Apart from the physics why do feel that N3 is boring, but NH isn't?
At least when N4 comes out I know it will be able to save mid race.
I'm buying NH, but calling N3 boring just doesn't make sense when both
games simulate the same sport.
--
Nos
I agree with you...although I am impressed with the demo, I would (and will
as soon as it makes it to Toronto!!!) buy NH for no other reason than the
honest answers to questions and openness that has been shown here. These
guys will make a hell of a NH2 because they are here listening. I'll buy
that, too. I have been looking forward to GP3 for years...can't buy a
product that doesn't support split axis pedals out of the box, though. It
is not very impressive relative to expectations. No listening whatsoever.
AFTER the patch and when it hits the discount shelf, I'll pick it up.
Marc.
"Thomas JS Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
publisher
> > is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your commentis a
> > little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I wasat
> > Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few other
> > publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people likeyou
> > that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah.Well
> > then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate you somuch
> > are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here?
> >
> > So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit thatlittle
> > send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwise intelligent,but a
physics,
> > and
> > > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I playedon
> > > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite awhile
> > > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyonegetting
> > > excited about this title are just looking for something new and fresh,
> > which
> > > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. Iwill
> > be
> > > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for theheck
> > of
> > > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an
> > > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as well,but
> > > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all Iask.
the
> > > > heck out of me.
> > > >
> > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, likein
> > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > > > little while.
> > > >
> > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bitof
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> First of all, Great comback Ed!!, > > I have to say that though I am not a big fan of Nascar, but I have > enjoyed the NH demo immensely for a couple of reasons. > > 1. GREAT driving model, the physics seem to be pretty realistic to me, > and I'm heavy into GPL, so don't give me the stock "It's no GPL" line of > BS. > > 2. GREAT developer support, this fact more than any other is the reason > I'm going to buy this title, because Ed Martin has been in here > PERSONALLY answering peoples questions AND dealing with all the pain in > the ass whining and complaining that has become so common in the Sim > Racing community. That kind of dedication doesn't come easy in todays > world of Auto Sim Developers. I think Ed and all the people who worked > on Nascar Heat have done a great job and I would hope that he continues > to frequent this forum. Although I can't say that I'd blame him if he > left. > > Thomas JS Brown > Ed Martin wrote: > > > > Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-) > > > > All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from aQuoted text (8 lines)
> > lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last gratuitous > > line. > > > > --ed. > > > > "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]... > > > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very goodQuoted text (12 lines)
> > > > > > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > > > thoughts: > > > > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugsQuoted text (7 lines)
> > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > >On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:08:13 GMT, "BH" <[email hidden]> wrote:
<snip>
>There
>isn't a NG in existence that can explain the likes of games like Deer Hunter
>but they sell a ton. Hopefully your game can be so bad. :)
I played Deer Hunter once, just to find out why this was such a
hot-selling game. I wandered around for a couple of hours, waiting,
wandering, making some deer noises, waiting, wandering, used some deer
scent, waited, etc, etc.
I did see a deer or two but I missed them.
My girlfriend saw me 'playing' Deer Hunter and thought I went
completely bananas, watching a motionless screen for hours and hours.
Then GPL came out.
Thank God.
Andre
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:21:22 -0700, "Regular Racer"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>People slam GP3 for being arcadish yet praise HEAT for being arcadish...
>Hmmmm.........
I think Todd was being sarcastic here...
Andre
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> > >"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:jPgp5.68851$[email hidden]... >> I bought mine today. I love arcade games. >> >> -- >> Todd S. >> >> >> "Mark Mooney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > Get that man a Cigar! >> > Congratulations on getting the product to the street, Ed. I'm going out >> to buy >> > mine later today. >> > >> > Mark E. Mooney >> > >> > Ed Martin wrote: >> > >> > > Careful or you'll be accused of being Monica Lewinski or something! >:-) >> > > >> > > "Murchman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > > news:8o3tbh$9rh3r$[email hidden]... >> > > > You know I have seen this happen in other sim forums where the >> developers >> > > > will post good helpful information only to be blasted by posters. >It's >> > > > really sad because I hate seeing another simulation community die >> because >> > > of >> > > > ignorant people but it looks like it's going to happen. So please >just >> ry >> > > to >> > > > ignore those post they don't represent the normal members of this >> > > community. >> > > > Remember Ed most people who like your product probably won't post >here >> > > about >> > > > most people post to new groups only to complain or to get there >Jerry >> > > > Springer fix. >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Jeff Murchison JR >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > > > news:Yzep5.160$[email hidden]... >> > > > > Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-) >> > > > > >> > > > > All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a >> > > publisher >> > > > > is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your >> comment >> > > is >> > > > a >> > > > > little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when >I >> was >> > > at >> > > > > Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few >> other >> > > > > publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people >> like >> > > you >> > > > > that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? >Nah. >> > > Well >> > > > > then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate >you >> so >> > > > much >> > > > > are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here? >> > > > > >> > > > > So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit >that >> > > little >> > > > > send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwise >> intelligent, >> > > but >> > > > a >> > > > > lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last >> gratuitous >> > > > > line. >> > > > > >> > > > > --ed. >> > > > > >> > > > > "Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > > > > news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]... >> > > > > > I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good >> > > physics, >> > > > > and >> > > > > > the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I >> played >> > > on >> > > > > > Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for >quite >> a >> > > > while >> > > > > > and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone >> > > getting >> > > > > > excited about this title are just looking for something new and >> fresh, >> > > > > which >> > > > > > this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. >> I >> > > will >> > > > > be >> > > > > > heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for >> the >> > > > heck >> > > > > of >> > > > > > it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it >> is an >> > > > > > arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as >> well, >> > > > but >> > > > > > please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is >all >> I >> > > ask. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > > > > > news:[email hidden]... >> > > > > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 >> bucks >> > > > > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are >my >> > > > > > > thoughts: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back >> unless >> > > > > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the >"Rusty" >> and >> > > > > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light >and >> > > > > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it >> bugs >> > > the >> > > > > > > heck out of me. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the >demo. >> If >> > > > > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the >> car >> > > > > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, >> like >> > > in >> > > > > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air >under >> the >> > > > > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the >> air a >> > > > > > > little while. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is >no >> > > > > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little >> bit >> > > of >> > > > > > > mass hysteria over this title. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > That's it, flame away. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Ben >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> >> >N5 will be MUCH better than NH and N4... So I'm going to wait for that
one... Actually NH2 will be the best sim ever (Unless GPL 3.0 finally
comes out) so maybe I should just wait for that one. But then again,
GP6 should be out soon... so...ummm... never mind... GP6 will still be
terrible....
In article <5Tip5.989$[email hidden]>,
"Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Actually, I'm with you. Not knocking HEAT, but overall....N4 Ifeel will
> be much better than HEAT. HEAT to me is like NFSPU arcadish with asim
the
> > heck out of me.
> >
> > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, likein
> > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > little while.
> >
> > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bitof
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> aspects thrown in to satisfy both ends of the consumers. > > -Cheers! > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my > > thoughts: > > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugsQuoted text (7 lines)
> > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > Ben > >On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:28:02 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]>
thus spoke:
Today I saw Grizzly Hunter 3D in the store. Now that might be more
interesting. Apparently the grizzly will attack you.
--
Nos
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>I played Deer Hunter once, just to find out why this was such a >hot-selling game. I wandered around for a couple of hours, waiting, >wandering, making some deer noises, waiting, wandering, used some deer >scent, waited, etc, etc. >I did see a deer or two but I missed them. >My girlfriend saw me 'playing' Deer Hunter and thought I went >completely bananas, watching a motionless screen for hours and hours.Arcade? Have you ever driven a vehicle? This is a damn solid sim. How can
you say 100% arcade? Then the pointless comment about kissing Ed's ass.
You're just a dick looking for attention. Sorry I provided it.
--
Joe Marques
Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me.
"Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]...
> I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good physics,
and
> the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I played on
> Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a while
> and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone getting
> excited about this title are just looking for something new and fresh,
which
> this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. I will
be
> heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the heck
of
> it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an
> arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as well, but
> please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all I ask.
>
>
> "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
> > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > thoughts:
> >
> > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless
> > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and
> > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the
> > heck out of me.
> >
> > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in
> > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > little while.
> >
> > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of
> > mass hysteria over this title.
> >
> > That's it, flame away.
> >
> > Ben
>
>
I'd be happy with just some half nude women on the front rows.
:)
--
Don Burnette
Dburn in N3 and Legends
ICQ# 74084566
"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:eNgp5.68845$[email hidden]...
> It's pretty funny really. You can murder babies before they are born, but
> you can't put a beer or a pack of smokes on a car. I guess I just don't
get
> it.
>
> --
> Todd S.
>
> "Ed Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:u4ep5.157$[email hidden]...
> > 1) You should try Expert or Hardcore mode.
> >
> > 2) If you're expecting anyone else's NASCAR title to ship with alcohol
or
> > tobacco marks, you're going to be disappointed with them, too.
> >
> >
> > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
> > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > > thoughts:
> > >
> > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless
> > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and
> > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the
> > > heck out of me.
> > >
> > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in
> > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > > little while.
> > >
> > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of
> > > mass hysteria over this title.
> > >
> > > That's it, flame away.
> > >
> > > Ben
> >
> >
>
>
In article <WZip5.515643$[email hidden]>,
"Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> you've done that once or twice already? How many races? Many Nascardrivers
> never get upside down their entire career, and you've managed to doit in
> 1-2 days? Without trying too? It's very hared to get airborne inNASCAR,
> maybe we're all a little to use to GPL? I had a friend who watched areplay
> of the demo, who doesn't do computer sims, and they thought the carsflying
> all over the place looked totally unrealistic, and then when everyonedrove
> away because the damage model is totally non-existent they laughed,no one
> ever laughed at GPL... Ok yeah it's a comparison to GPL... bigdeal :) I'm
> not basing anything of this sim to GPL, except for others reactions.
I've gotten airborne one or two times in the past week playing the
DEMO. As much as I drive on the computer, that amounts to longer than
many NASCAR drivers' careers (just ask my wife)!
;-)
-- JB
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Before you buy.
Man, you @#%*&, are the %&*&(($$ , and what's more, $#@!, and if you don't
like it, ^*)(*&^%%, you %^*(&^%.
heh heh, j/k
Hey, you bought it, you tried it, you weren't turned on by it, so you
return it. That's cool. I for one am glad we have all different types, the
world would sure be dull if we didn't. I plan on buying Heat, and based on
the demo I would suspect I will like it.
Let me know what you think of GP3, I'm still riding the fence on that one.
I may pick up both titles this weekend, if their both available in my area
at the time.
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Dburn in N3 and Legends
ICQ# 74084566
"Scott Gibson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]...
> I picked it up today and would have to agree. It has very good physics,
and
> the graphics are great.....but it's just not my cup of tea. I played on
> Expert for a bit, then changed it to hardcore and played for quite a while
> and it just has "Arcade" written all over it. I think everyone getting
> excited about this title are just looking for something new and fresh,
which
> this is, but it is definately--100%--arcade racing at it's best. I will
be
> heading back to EB tommorrow to return it, might pick up GP3 for the heck
of
> it. Nascar HEAT is a very good game, don't get me wrong, but it is an
> arcade racer and only a decent one at that. You can flame me as well, but
> please remove your tongue's from Ed's butt before replying is all I ask.
>
>
> "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
> > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > thoughts:
> >
> > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless
> > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and
> > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs the
> > heck out of me.
> >
> > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like in
> > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > little while.
> >
> > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit of
> > mass hysteria over this title.
> >
> > That's it, flame away.
> >
> > Ben
>
>
Whupps, guess I didn't notice that last line when I posted my original
reply.
Dang Scott( not you Husted , original poster), you did a fine job otherwise,
last line was rather abrasive.
--
Don Burnette
Dburn in N3 and Legends
ICQ# 74084566
"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> [email hidden] (Scott Gibson) wrote in
> <Ugep5.55317$[email hidden]>:
>
> >that. You can flame me as well, but please remove your tongue's from
> >Ed's butt before replying is all I ask.
> >
>
> Perhaps you could attempt to remove your head from yours before making
> comments like that.
>
>
>
> --
> Scott B. Husted
> "PA-Scott"
> News Editor - The Pits (http://www.TheUSPits.com)
> ICQ# 4395450
In a good online racing league, N3 is a far, far cry from boring. MHO of
course.
--
Don Burnette
Dburn in N3 and Legends
ICQ# 74084566
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:27:40 -0400, "PapySUX" <[email hidden]> thus
> spoke:
>
> >But-I put N3 away about 12 months
> >ago-BOOOORRRINNG!
>
> Apart from the physics why do feel that N3 is boring, but NH isn't?
> At least when N4 comes out I know it will be able to save mid race.
> I'm buying NH, but calling N3 boring just doesn't make sense when both
> games simulate the same sport.
> --
> Nos
Well, by doing some calculations and spread sheets, I have come to the
determination that app the same time that I retire, Nascar Racing 10 will
have just been release, I will be running it on a 3ghz maching, and a video
card running at 850 mhz with 480 mb of ram.
Whadya think guys, should I hold off until then?
:)
--
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Dburn in N3 and Legends
ICQ# 74084566
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:8o4i8o$36v$[email hidden]...
> N5 will be MUCH better than NH and N4... So I'm going to wait for that
> one... Actually NH2 will be the best sim ever (Unless GPL 3.0 finally
> comes out) so maybe I should just wait for that one. But then again,
> GP6 should be out soon... so...ummm... never mind... GP6 will still be
> terrible....
>
>
> In article <5Tip5.989$[email hidden]>,
> "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > Actually, I'm with you. Not knocking HEAT, but overall....N4 I
> feel will
> > be much better than HEAT. HEAT to me is like NFSPU arcadish with a
> sim
> > aspects thrown in to satisfy both ends of the consumers.
> >
> > -Cheers!
> >
> > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
> > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > > thoughts:
> > >
> > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless
> > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and
> > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs
> the
> > > heck out of me.
> > >
> > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like
> in
> > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > > little while.
> > >
> > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit
> of
> > > mass hysteria over this title.
> > >
> > > That's it, flame away.
> > >
> > > Ben
> >
> >
>
>
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> Before you buy.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:57:47 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:
Wow, can't wait :)
Andre
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>On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:28:02 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> >thus spoke: > > >>I played Deer Hunter once, just to find out why this was such a >>hot-selling game. I wandered around for a couple of hours, waiting, >>wandering, making some deer noises, waiting, wandering, used some deer >>scent, waited, etc, etc. >>I did see a deer or two but I missed them. >>My girlfriend saw me 'playing' Deer Hunter and thought I went >>completely bananas, watching a motionless screen for hours and hours. > >Today I saw Grizzly Hunter 3D in the store. Now that might be more >interesting. Apparently the grizzly will attack you.Nope... By my calculations, NR 10 will not have a "save game" feature,
and thus, is not worth waiting for. Sorry.
In article <EPlp5.3780$[email hidden]>,
"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Well, by doing some calculations and spread sheets, I have come to the
> determination that app the same time that I retire, Nascar Racing 10will
> have just been release, I will be running it on a 3ghz maching, and avideo
that
> > one... Actually NH2 will be the best sim ever (Unless GPL 3.0finally
> > comes out) so maybe I should just wait for that one. But thenagain,
> > GP6 should be out soon... so...ummm... never mind... GP6 will stillbe
a
bucks
> > > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > > > thoughts:
> > > >
> > > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going backunless
> > > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid ofthe "Rusty" and
> > > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but itbugs
> > the
> > > > heck out of me.
> > > >
> > > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from thedemo. If
> > > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...thecar
> > > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know,like
> > in
> > > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air underthe
> > > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in theair a
> > > > little while.
> > > >
> > > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a littlebit
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> card running at 850 mhz with 480 mb of ram. > Whadya think guys, should I hold off until then? > :) > > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn in N3 and Legends > ICQ# 74084566 > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8o4i8o$36v$[email hidden]... > > N5 will be MUCH better than NH and N4... So I'm going to wait forQuoted text (8 lines)
> > terrible.... > > > > > > In article <5Tip5.989$[email hidden]>, > > "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Actually, I'm with you. Not knocking HEAT, but overall....N4 I > > feel will > > > be much better than HEAT. HEAT to me is like NFSPU arcadish withQuoted text (8 lines)
> > sim > > > aspects thrown in to satisfy both ends of the consumers. > > > > > > -Cheers! > > > > > > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45Quoted text (14 lines)
> > of > > > > mass hysteria over this title. > > > > > > > > That's it, flame away. > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > yeah but when the Griz grabs ahold of ya, and gives that big ol grizzly
head shake, Will we catch air to easily? Is the damage model correct? I
want to see my guts eaten away whilst still alive...(temorarily of course..)
:>
dave henrie
"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:57:47 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > >On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:28:02 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> > >thus spoke: > > > > > >>I played Deer Hunter once, just to find out why this was such a > >>hot-selling game. I wandered around for a couple of hours, waiting, > >>wandering, making some deer noises, waiting, wandering, used some deer > >>scent, waited, etc, etc. > >>I did see a deer or two but I missed them. > >>My girlfriend saw me 'playing' Deer Hunter and thought I went > >>completely bananas, watching a motionless screen for hours and hours. > > > >Today I saw Grizzly Hunter 3D in the store. Now that might be more > >interesting. Apparently the grizzly will attack you. > > Wow, can't wait :) > > AndreOn Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:55:57 GMT, "Jeff Jones" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>I certainly hope so.
Well, I'm not, but you made your points very well (and civilly, I
might add.) Thanks.
>you forgot - C. dissatisfaction
I didn't forget it, I am just accustomed to deciding if something is
what I want before buying it, not afterwards. If I don't know whether
I want it or not, I don't buy it.
>It's the store's problem because they have a return guarantee.
fair enough
>Just an FYI ... EB/Babbages/SoftETC simply reseal the box, place it back on
>the shelf, and re-sell it. They aren't losing anything.
yes, I guess you are right.
>Not everyone has internet access. Not everyone has fast internet access. Not
>all games have demos, especially before the game's release. People should
>NOT be expected to dnload a demo anyway as proof that a product isn't a
>lemon. Besides, since when do demos, usually heavily crippled, actually
>fortell the quality of the actual full version?
Demos can give you a good idea of the general idea of a sim/game, how
it looks, feels, etc. The crippling done in a demo is not usually
quality, but content.
>I waited tables for six years and don't see your comparison at all. I very
>rarely had someone send their food back just "because they could". 99% of
>the time it was because they weren't satisfied with it. They paid for it,
>and they *should* be satisfied with it.
Some people are dissatisfied because they *can* be, not because they
really have anything substantial to be dissatisified about. Maybe you
haven't been exposed to as many full-of-sh*t upper-class wannabees as
I have, I dunno.
> Same for the software. Why in God's
>name should someone be expected to take the loss on a $45 piece of software
>if they aren't happy with it, when almost no other product on the market is
>subject to those conditions?
Because they should have made an informed decision to buy it. If
*you* decide to spend money and don't like what you spent it on, it
isn't a "loss", it's a mistake. *Your mistake*. I understand what you
are saying, but it's just the way one looks at it that defines it. I
am not about to blame a software company for my poor choice because I
was too stupid/lazy/clueless/etc. to look into it before I made the
decision to pay for it..
>It's called capitalism/free-enterprise ... Businesses have return guarantees
>in place as a competitive measure to gain your business.
Actually, in a lot of places they have them because they are legally
required to.
>If they don't want
>people to return software, then don't have the policy, its that simple. Some
>stores, such as CompUSA don't allow software returns. That's their choice.
I tihnk if they were legally challenged, they would have to accept it,
but that's not terribly relevant to this discussion.
>Nobody is taking advantage of anyone, the stores are allowing the returns by
>their own free will. As a consumer, you should LOVE this policy, because it
>protects you.
I don't need to be protected from my own choices. Maybe that's why I
feel the way I do.
Thanks for your input. I know more people who feel the way you do
than the way I do, but that doesn't mean either of us is wrong or
right.
~daxe
A typical response. But hey they got more money than you! There is a
coorelation between Hunters-Fishers and Nascar fans. It's just that the
racing has been a little to steep, for their Nascar fill to be subdued on a
pc.
Laugh as you might but you are the odditiy, there are many more people who
don't race Nascar.
BH
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:09:37 -0700 Kai Fuller <[email hidden]> wrote:
% Hey, what about Jim Sokoloff that guy was great!
Damn, he was so much just like a regular joe r.a.s. poster I completely
forgot he was a Papy shill <G>
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"BH" <[email hidden]> wrote
>Nascar 1-2-3 have always alienated the masses.
Sorry but that's just false. Nascar Racing 1 was one of the best selling
title in the history of racing games, IIRC around a million sold boxes. N2
and N3 were just extensions of what we had in N1, with arcade features for
them.
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-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
Changed the title a bit to bring it back on topic ;)
I don't think it's a controller issue, I'm running low graphics details at
640 x 480 on Athlon 750 with V3 3000. I have tried my MSFF wheel, F1 sim and
a LWFF all give the same results. What does make it better is the hacked
files made available a while back, but that is a complete pain because you
have to change just the file for the car you want to drive as the AI can't
handle them. As I am not particularly loyal to any team it's rather
inconvenient.
The physics engine in F1 2000 is very good IMO, but out of the box its not
modelling an F1 car. This along with the fact that it takes a monster PC to
run absolutely ruins the experience for me.
My ideal F1 sim would be a cross between F1 2000 and GP3.
From F1 2000. The (hacked) physics modelling, pit communications, the look
left and right feature, other car sounds, the on dash tyre wear and temp
indicator and current season.
From GP3. The sharpness of the driving feel, FF, weather effects, track
accuracy, telemetry, own car sound, being able to run (and see) all 22 cars
and general smoothness of gameplay.
Add in GPL's online racing code and VROC along with the camber and tyre
pressure settings and it would be the ultimate sim ;)
--
Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>
PS I apologise if I missed anyone's fave feature from either sim <G>
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o4eii$v03$[email hidden]...
> The "heavy" feeling may be due to controller lag -- try cutting back
> some of the graphics details in F12K to see if you can get more
> instantaneous controller response. Also, you MIGHT try tweaking the
> speed sensitivity under the controller settings -- that helps a bit,
> too, as the speed sensitivity makes the controller less effective at
> higher speeds, which results in something of a "heavy" feeling in
> itself. (Talk about off-topic, BTW! <G>)
>
> -- JB
>
> In article <8o474g$t3s$[email hidden]>,
> "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > I prefer GP3 to F1 2k, feels more like I'd expect an F1 car to drive,
> F1
> > 2k's cars seem too heavy.(IMO)
> >
> > --
> > Ian P (GPL rank -34ish)
> > <email invalid due to spam>
> >
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:14:56 -0400, "PapySUX" <[email hidden]> thus
spoke:
>Damn, you beta testing that sucker? you KNOW many things... and lemme
>correct ya on one thing - you shoulda said "At least IF N4 comes out..."
>N4=Vaporware...
Someone just posted that they talked to Papyrus and there will be a
save game feature.
>BTW, equating N3 and NH is like Indy Car Racing to GPL!
Why? Just because the cars don't fly in N3?
--
Nos
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:28:22 -0400, "PapySUX" <[email hidden]> thus
spoke:
Everything you say above is wrong. I actually prefer the clean
graphics of N3 to NH. I race online in N3 and the AI is definately not
boring. Sound is better than NH. Physics are not too bad, maybe they
can't fly like the cars in NH, but they are still pretty good. NH does
have better physics (rather obvious), but that still doesn't make N3
boring so I think you are just overly opinionated.
--
Nos
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>Ok, I will try to give a serious answer to this legit question... > >N3 is running on a tired old game engine that is about 10 years old = >BOORRING! >N3 AI = BOORRING! >N3 graphics = BOOORRING! >N3 physics are a joke = BOOORRINNG! >N3 sound = BOOORRINNGG! > >Other than that-it's a great GAME-because it damn well does not SIMULATE >driving a 3500 pound stock car very well now does it? >Hi John, it seems you misunderstand my feelings;) it's not a steering lag
I'm feeling, the car just seems too heavy and unresponsive for an F1 car.
The steering reacts the same on the Atlon as on my P2 333 o/c to 411 with
low graphics.
As for running on the Athlon, I don't have the mirrors on at all, I run in
640 x 480 with graphics on medium detail, cockpit on low detail and pit
objects off, skybox to low etc.
I haven't checked the frame-rate with FRAPS as I don't install any
unnecessary programs on this PC, but the framerate I'd estimate as >30fps
most of the time.
I don't really have a prob with running the game (the graphics are low to
ensure a good framerate but it will run higher and look better)
Someone posted a hacked file for the vehicle physics and with that inplace
the car reacted much more like I'd expect a Formula 1 car to react, eerily
close to GP3 actually <G> Also with this hack the tyre heat seems more
realistic, in so much as the tyres take longer to get up to temperature and
then overheat, the original does seem to be a bit "heavy?" on tyre usage.
Don't take this as a knock at F1 2000, I enjoyed it for a few months prior
to the release of GP3, however GP3 does seem to suit my taste better at the
moment.
Maybe we'll just have to agree to diasagree on this title, as many other
titles such as NFS Porsche I quite agree with you on, we must just want
different things from F1 sims :)
As for the different thread, changing the header slightly has actually
opened a new thread in my version of OE.
--
Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o6an1$3op$[email hidden]...
> Ian,
>
> Just to get us back off-topic again <G>, I'm running F12K on an AMD K6-
> 2 400 system with 64 MB of RAM and a 16 MB Voodoo Banshee video card,
> and I'm getting VERY good frame rates (low 20s) and very decent
> controller responsiveness. Have you tried any of the car setups from
> the Blackhole Motorsports site (http://www.bhmotorsports.com)? They do
> make a big difference in the car's feel and handling. Also, I
> typically drive the Ferrari car -- seems much more responsive than some
> of the other teams' cars -- so that might be making a bit of a
> difference.
>
> Definitely try turning off the pit lane objects, plus all details in
> the mirrors, and turning off particles and smoke, then see how the
> steering feels. Granted, you SHOULDN'T have to do this on an Athlon
> 750 system, but it might make a difference in the physics feel. Also,
> try the Ferrari with one of the downloadable setups. ALSO, do you run
> "FRAPS" to check your frame rate? You want a STABLE frame rate, not
> one which fluctuates as you move around the track -- a solid 20 fps all
> around is much better than 50 fps on some parts, with it dropping into
> the 20s on other parts. That fps drop will "feel" like lag to you,
> especially if you're in the middle of a turn and dialing in steering
> corrections.
>
> Let me know what's up on your end, and let's try to keep this thread as
> off-topic as we can! <G> (kidding, of course -- should we open a
> different thread, I wonder??)
>
> -- JB
Well saying the type of crash doesn't matter since it would result in a DNF
isn't a very good way to defend NH, as it seems that no matter what you do,
it is very hard to get a DNF.
If it had a good damage model, your arguments might slick, but since neither
result in a DNF in this game, it's just another point against it.
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o4c4e$s10$[email hidden]...
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> In article <8o4512$8fa$[email hidden]>, > "rogue_3d" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > I've gotten airborne at every track... Once I even got airborne as I > got > > loose exiting the pits at Atlanta. Got sideways doing about 100MPH, > and that > > stupid apron sent a car into me, and viola, I went rolling down the > apron. > > COME ON!!! > > Getting sideways at 100 mph in a real Winston Cup car will quite often > put you out of the race for good, so does it really matter whether it's > because you got airborne or . . . ? > > Also, what were you doing to get sideways at 100 mph? This isn't N3, > with a two-dimensional physics model -- as you are now painfully aware, > you CAN get airborne, so maybe it's your driving style that needs to be > tweaked, not the physics model. People who played GP2 and ICR2 to > death STILL had a huge learning curve to adapt to GPL, so maybe NASCAR > Heat represents the same type of learning curve. N3 was pretty > unrealistic because you COULDN'T get airborne, so maybe we ALL have a > lot of re-learning to do in order to determine whether NASCAR Heat is > accurate or not. > > -- JB > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.I thought a lot of people were, and a lot of people didn't buy it. But we
also knew that N3 wasn't being boasted as the next great thing in sims by
the publishers. We knew it was just a season\graphic update made by the
non-core guys. We knew that the core guys were working on the real N3 (N4 is
now it's name)
GP3 on the other hand was the release of the core GPx group, touted as a
great leap in sim racing, when it was not.
Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Funny that not many people moaned about how close N3 was to N2 and itdidn't
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> even have half the circuits that were in NR99!! One step up two steps > back!! > > Chris > > -- > Citylab Durban > www.citylab.com > Marc Davey <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > HeHe, and usind the logic applied around here lately, isn't that > > sposed to be Nascar 2.3? > > > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:05:00 -0500, rrevved > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:29:50 -0500, Ben <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > >>Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. > > > > > >LOL!! > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.177 / Virus Database: 86 - Release Date: 00/08/07 > >Ahh!!! But I comeback with an obvious.... They bought the first one and
found out how hard it was and didn't buy the others. Why are you guys
kidding yourself with common folk? Believe me they think all typical sims
are to hard. Is it so hard to understand? There is a reason why Standard is
controllable and the default setup because the publishers know this is what
is needed for the masses and IMO sane online racing in almost all cases.
BH
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "BH" <[email hidden]> wrote
> >Nascar 1-2-3 have always alienated the masses.
>
>
> Sorry but that's just false. Nascar Racing 1 was one of the best selling
> title in the history of racing games, IIRC around a million sold boxes.N2
realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
>
>
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> and N3 were just extensions of what we had in N1, with arcade features for > them. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don'tOn Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:46:41 -0500, rrevved
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>LOL!!
>
Laugh all you want. That's my opinion and I'm not the only one who
feels that way.
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Nos
>Yea, but N3 has realistic yellow flags, good MP, and...drum roll
>please...saving during the race.
The AI is "smarter" too
Racer X
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Nos,
> crap. I think the employees at Papyrus would be quite insulted by
> comments like that. Don't you?
Yes and no, I think most of us tend to exaggerate our feelings to get
the point across, and these developers need to realize that and try
not to take these criticisms personally.
The attention to detail is what made N3 an immersive NASCAR sim. All
the little things that we now take for granted in a Papyrus sim are
what is missing from NH.
The guys that made N3 have nothing to be ashamed of, especially when
you consider that they made that game in about six months, once they
put "the real N3" - now known as N4 - on hold.
If my expectations had not been set so high earlier by the GPL physics
model that was supposed to be in N3, I probably would have loved the
game.
>>>Yea, but N3 has realistic yellow flags, good MP, and...drum roll
>>>please...saving during the race.
>>
>>The AI is "smarter" too
>
>Surely you jest.
Afraid not.....
Racer X
Veteran Sim Racer
#4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC
#24 Monte Carlo in the DORL
Victory Lane-
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/
There's no reason to get personal (or asinine) about a discussion of a
computer game, Nos.
I actually agree with most of your complaints with NH, but even if NH
was as bad as N2000, that wouldn't make N3 a great game. N3 is a
graphically enhanced version of the same tired old 2D physics based
game we've been playing since N1.
Here is my own "review" of NASCAR HEAT:
NASCAR HEAT reminds me of GPL, which can be taken as a compliment or a
criticism, depending on your point of view.
It has a great physics engine, it's a blast to drive the cars, tweak
the setups, and learn the tracks, but not much fun to race.
People argue about whether it is a sim or a game. Well, it simulates
driving a stockcar beautifully, but it doesn't do a very good job of
simulating the game of stock car racing.
In the demo, the AI seemed smart, but slow. So I assumed that in the
full version they would be smart and fast on the higher settings.
But just like real humans, they seem to have used up all their
intelligence learning how to go faster.They just run you right off the
road on the Pro setting.
Yellows don't come out like they should, making longer races almost
pointless, damage doesn't occur like it should - though the cars seem
to catch air more than they should, and NH multiplayer makes N3
multiplayer seem functional.
It's a great game engine with a lot of potential, but as it is now
it's not a great racing game.
I feel they should have ran an open beta, since most of these problems
seem like they could have been easily fixed had they known about them.
I have a bad feeling that this game is going to crash and burn with
the arcade crowd whom it was targeted at. It just isn't much fun to
"play".
The things that might save it are the "Beat the Heat" challenges and
Race the Pro feature, which are fun, and help separate Heat from the
other NASCAR games.
Tweaking setups, comparing hotlaps (the ghostlap feature should come
in handy for this) and just driving the cars can be a blast for the
hardcore sim crowd.
But the "gamers" that only want to run races in arcade view - with
their keyboard for a controller - aren't going to get much out of this
game I'm afraid.
Without consistent yellow flags and damage, strategy (a big part of
what makes NASCAR racing great) isn't part of racing in NASCAR HEAT.
I predict this game will develop a cult following ala GPL for it's
immersive physics, great garage setup options, and hotlap competition
potential.
In summary, NH is not a serious platform for multiplayer (or even
single player) competition in it's current incarnation.
Therefore, my biggest complaint with NH is that, now that I've played
it, there is no way I can go back to N3 - the difference in the
immersion factor of the driving model is just night and day.
But with no way to really race in NASCAR Heat, it leaves me even more
anxious for N4 rather than appeasing my appetite.
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> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:10:43 -0500, "Tracey A Miller" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >> Everything you say above is wrong. I actually prefer the clean > >> graphics of N3 to NH. > > > >Me too, I also prefer Pong over Virtua Tennis, LOL! > > > >> Physics are not too bad, maybe they > >> can't fly like the cars in NH, but they are still pretty good. > > > >Very good actually, for simulating driving a monorail car. > > > >> NH does > >> have better physics (rather obvious), but that still doesn't makeQuoted text (10 lines)
> >> boring so I think you are just overly opinionated. > > > >True, N3 makes N3 boring - not NH, it was boring long before NH. > > Oh fuck, let's all bow to the new king and make up falsifications > about N3. BTW, I see you use a female name. Are you really female or > were your parents just cruel to you? You talk like a man, but it's > hard to tell. Use whichever is appropriate. > 1. bitch > 2. dickheadN1 was released in 94, not 90.
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"PapySUX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> <<Apart from the physics why do feel that N3 is boring>>
>
> Ok, I will try to give a serious answer to this legit question...
>
> N3 is running on a tired old game engine that is about 10 years old =
> BOORRING!
> N3 AI = BOORRING!
> N3 graphics = BOOORRING!
> N3 physics are a joke = BOOORRINNG!
> N3 sound = BOOORRINNGG!
>
> Other than that-it's a great GAME-because it damn well does not SIMULATE
> driving a 3500 pound stock car very well now does it?
>
>
>
"BH" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Ahh!!! But I comeback with an obvious.... They bought the first one and
> found out how hard it was and didn't buy the others.
Nice suggestion.
Nascar Racing 1 wasn't hard. It was also very entertaining. If you
remember (or go back) to read any of the mainstream press, it was higly
praised as an original game. Those people had fun with the AI at 80%,
starting last and plowing into the field. It's a fun thing to do. I don't
remember how many times normal gamers went to my house and enjoyed such
thing. So for Nascar Racing 2 (among many features) Papyrus included an
arcade-mode, which was also quite good at that time compared to everything
else on the market. It also sold extremely well. I _KNOW_ my gaming
business. I know what the mass market wants, it's common for me to refer to
such things IRL. They don't want dozens of racing titles if they interest
in racing. They'll get a couple, mostly very different types. Or they will
simply buy a console racing game. Let's remember that there ain't much
gamers on the PC platform who are focused mostly into arcade-based racing
games.
> Why are you guys kidding yourself with common folk?
I don't, I was just stating that it's a false information. The Nascar line
of software by Papyrus hasn't alienated the mass. It's Sierra's milk-cow!
They sold millions of copies to the average gamer. Only Crammond has
created a legacy in the simracing business as good as Papyrus's NASCAR line
of products in terms of sales and how they reached the mass public.
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In article <8o40u9$58c$[email hidden]>, "PapySUX" <[email hidden]>
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And just WHAT should the N4 fans-to-be actually *do* about the sliding release
date? Demand that Papy release the game NOW?!? It wouldn't do any good, no
matter WHO the publisher is...
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><<I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4>> > >AND WAIT YOU SHALL! BENNY BOY! Jeez, I remember N4 was supposed to be out >sometime LAST year! Why do all you Papy lovers let them slide on once again >pushing back the release date by another 4-6 months??!Gimme a break... The >word "lapdog" comes to mind...I just bought NH at Babbages for $39.95...I'm >looking forward to running it later...But-I put N3 away about 12 months >ago-BOOOORRRINNG!In article <[email hidden]>, daxe
<[email hidden]> writes:
>With an available demo, why is it necessary to buy and return
>something, making a retail purchase into a demo at the store's
>expense? It strikes me as similar to the way some people send their
>food back in a restaurant even if there is nothing wrong with it, just
>because they can.
>
Haven't there been demos that were un-representative of the final product? I
could see someone trying a demo, expecting a couple more features in the
retail, and be disappointed because they're not there. Or, having the demo run
fine, but the retail version suffers in frame rate. And, you still have games
like GP3 where there isn't(wasn't) a demo. Do they have one now? If so, where
can I d/l it from?
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In article <8o3uvj$dhb$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] writes:
How many times has a WC car gotten upside-down in the past few years?
Earnhardt, Wallace, Craven - who else? It DOES seem like it's easy to flip in
the game...easier than real life.
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>Not a flame but a general comment: I've never gotten airborne as much >as you guys say you have in the NASCAR Heat demo, and I don't think >I've gotten upside-down more than once or twice. Could it be that I'm >hitting the wall a little more realistically (or maybe just *less*) >than you guys? > >-- JBOn Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:10:43 -0500, "Tracey A Miller"
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
Oh fuck, let's all bow to the new king and make up falsifications
about N3. BTW, I see you use a female name. Are you really female or
were your parents just cruel to you? You talk like a man, but it's
hard to tell. Use whichever is appropriate.
1. bitch
2. dickhead
Oh, and have a nice day.
--
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>> Everything you say above is wrong. I actually prefer the clean >> graphics of N3 to NH. > >Me too, I also prefer Pong over Virtua Tennis, LOL! > >> Physics are not too bad, maybe they >> can't fly like the cars in NH, but they are still pretty good. > >Very good actually, for simulating driving a monorail car. > >> NH does >> have better physics (rather obvious), but that still doesn't make N3 >> boring so I think you are just overly opinionated. > >True, N3 makes N3 boring - not NH, it was boring long before NH.On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:16:23 -0500, rrevved
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>It's infinitely easier to flip than N3.
>
Yea, but N3 has realistic yellow flags, good MP, and...drum roll
please...saving during the race.
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:59:30 -0500, rrevved
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>What's with all the personal insults?
>
You want some too? Huh punk? She/he deserved it for making falsified
and dogmatic comments. Now that NH heat is out N3 suddenly becomes
shit on a stick and is boring? What a bunch of crap. There is room for
both sims on my HD. How about yours?
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Nos
[email hidden] wrote:
If you had bothered to read some of Tracey's earlier postings you would
have seen that he has said the same thing since N3 was first released,
and as for who the punk is.....
Beers and cheers
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> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:59:30 -0500, rrevved > ?[email hidden]? thus spoke: > > ?What's with all the personal insults? > ? > > You want some too? Huh punk? She/he deserved it for making falsified > and dogmatic comments. Now that NH heat is out N3 suddenly becomes > shit on a stick and is boring? What a bunch of crap. There is room for > both sims on my HD. How about yours?On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 02:30:44 -0500, "Tracey A Miller"
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>There's no reason to get personal (or asinine) about a discussion of a
>computer game, Nos.
Oh, calling me asisnine is not personal? Hehe..you ridiculed my
comments and you expect me to be polite back? Sorry, it doesn't work
that way.
>I actually agree with most of your complaints with NH, but even if NH
>was as bad as N2000, that wouldn't make N3 a great game. N3 is a
>graphically enhanced version of the same tired old 2D physics based
>game we've been playing since N1.
Doesn't feel the same to me. I played NH and N3 back to back and N3
still feels pretty good to me. The driving model while not able to
lift off the track still feels pretty decent in the other dimensions.
Pretty fair review. I just don't find the driving model night and day.
Run Bristol in N3 and see if it feels like it's on rails, the car is
all over the place. Someone even said they can race with their hands
off the wheel. Maybe at Talledega, but not any of the short tracks.
Sure NH has a superior driving model. Still doesn't make N3 boring or
crap. I think the employees at Papyrus would be quite insulted by
comments like that. Don't you?
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>Here is my own "review" of NASCAR HEAT: > >NASCAR HEAT reminds me of GPL, which can be taken as a compliment or a >criticism, depending on your point of view. > >It has a great physics engine, it's a blast to drive the cars, tweak >the setups, and learn the tracks, but not much fun to race. > >People argue about whether it is a sim or a game. Well, it simulates >driving a stockcar beautifully, but it doesn't do a very good job of >simulating the game of stock car racing. > >In the demo, the AI seemed smart, but slow. So I assumed that in the >full version they would be smart and fast on the higher settings. > >But just like real humans, they seem to have used up all their >intelligence learning how to go faster.They just run you right off the >road on the Pro setting. > >Yellows don't come out like they should, making longer races almost >pointless, damage doesn't occur like it should - though the cars seem >to catch air more than they should, and NH multiplayer makes N3 >multiplayer seem functional. > >It's a great game engine with a lot of potential, but as it is now >it's not a great racing game. > >I feel they should have ran an open beta, since most of these problems >seem like they could have been easily fixed had they known about them. > >I have a bad feeling that this game is going to crash and burn with >the arcade crowd whom it was targeted at. It just isn't much fun to >"play". > >The things that might save it are the "Beat the Heat" challenges and >Race the Pro feature, which are fun, and help separate Heat from the >other NASCAR games. > >Tweaking setups, comparing hotlaps (the ghostlap feature should come >in handy for this) and just driving the cars can be a blast for the >hardcore sim crowd. > >But the "gamers" that only want to run races in arcade view - with >their keyboard for a controller - aren't going to get much out of this >game I'm afraid. > >Without consistent yellow flags and damage, strategy (a big part of >what makes NASCAR racing great) isn't part of racing in NASCAR HEAT. > >I predict this game will develop a cult following ala GPL for it's >immersive physics, great garage setup options, and hotlap competition >potential. > >In summary, NH is not a serious platform for multiplayer (or even >single player) competition in it's current incarnation. > >Therefore, my biggest complaint with NH is that, now that I've played >it, there is no way I can go back to N3 - the difference in the >immersion factor of the driving model is just night and day. > >But with no way to really race in NASCAR Heat, it leaves me even more >anxious for N4 rather than appeasing my appetite.On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:11:09 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> thus
spoke:
>If you had bothered to read some of Tracey's earlier postings you would
>have seen that he has said the same thing since N3 was first released,
>and as for who the punk is.....
N1 and N3 has the same physics engine? Bollocks. Yea, I'm a punk,
Anarchy in the Uuuuu...Kayyyyy...
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Nos
Let's remember that there ain't much
> gamers on the PC platform who are focused mostly into arcade-based racing
> games.
First Arcade Racing is really a terrible name for what were talking here. PC
Arcade racing does not reflect a racing game at the arcade at all or most
racing games on a console. Arcade racing on a PC means a very controllable
car, that lets you survive minor mistakes without losing it. Arcade and most
consoles are 180 degrees in terms that they are very uncontrollable (ice
skates) with completely unrealistic physics and wrecks. Isn't this like
"Master of the Obvious" stuff here? Please go down to the local arcade and
then come back home a put N3 in arcade they are the most opposite a thing
can be in terms of handling. So the word Arcade is a terrible reference.
But I believe these are some of the top sellers: (I'm sure I'm missing many
more...)
MTM 2
MCM 2
NFS Porche
Toca (International)
Collin Mcrae (International)
All these games sold very well and they are very natural in the ways a
typical driver would expect a car to handle based upon their normal driving
experiences.
Then one wonders how many play Nascar on Arcade or DTR less than 100%?
Add online racing and the need for control amongst all types of racers is
needed even more.
BH
Ed,
I don't want to be disrespectuful or ungrateful, I appreciate you
being here for sure. But I've seen too many a publisher using one
angry post to justify not coming back here to support the rest of us
(The first one that comes to mind: Remember that Dean guy from the
CART-PR team?).
It might be a privilege for us to have you around, but don't forget
that this group also has something to offer to developpers. For one,
a great bunch of willing beta-testers!
Maybe you're just gonna have to deal with the frustrations of some,
and if it's a problem to you I'm sure you already know how to use your
newsreader's filtering abilities (maybe you'll try it on me first
after this message... doh!).
So again I thank you for being here and let's make it a constructive
partnership on both sides. Oh and since english is not my native
tongue, please excuse me if the tone of this message is offending, it
wasn't intended.
Frank
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Francois Dubuc,
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>Gee, I was wondering what felt so strange. :-) > >All due respect, Scott, but just because a representative from a publisher >is up here & many people seem to appreciate that, I think your comment is a >little ignorant. You may not have been around way back when when I was at >Papyrus but I was up here posting back then, too. So were a few other >publishers. I just don't see that any more. Perhaps it's people like you >that make publishers eventually give up? Ever think of that? Nah. Well >then, how 'bout this. Maybe the postings that seem to irritate you so much >are from people that don't want us publishers to give up up here? > >So, "all I ask", Scott is that you try to think before you hit that little >send button on your postings. Your posting is otherwise intelligent, but a >lot of people are going to just ignore it because of the last gratuitous >line. > >--ed.Francois Dubuc wrote:
>Remember that Dean guy from the CART-PR team?).
Wow! Now THERE'S a blast from the past! I think ol' Dino must have been
beta-testing Prozac the week or less he was here, and had gotten a
really bad batch...
I have to admire ANY rep from a publisher (weellll ... maybe not
MicroSoft!) who shows up here publicly and suffers the slings and arrows
of outrageous fortune and ill-conceived postings: you gotta know up
front there's always going to be a vocal minority who'll take their
dissatisfaction with the game out on the rep personally. Stupid? Yes.
Inevitable? Apparently so -- I've never seen a single rep in here that
hasn't been dumped on by one or more (usually a LOT more) of the
less-reflective members of the RAS community. It takes a thick skin ...
I sure as hell couldn't do it.
Say ... whatever happened to CPR, anyway? Did they ever come out with
the "v2" that was supposed to fix all the nonsense in their
"rushed-to-the-shelves-in-time-for-Christmas" version 1?
BB
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> I think the employees at Papyrus would be quite insulted by
> comments like that. Don't you?
>
Hmmm, that's strange - I certainly don't feel very insulted at all.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinions - however strange :)
Grant Reeve / one of several N3 programmers.
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:30:18 GMT, Grant Reeve
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>Hmmm, that's strange - I certainly don't feel very insulted at all.
>Everyone's entitled to their own opinions - however strange :)
>
>Grant Reeve / one of several N3 programmers.
Ok, you're not insulted. But, I am dammit. :-)
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:04:53 -0500, "Tracey A Miller"
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
Grant wasn't insulted so I guess it doesn't matter. But, you are
exactly right with the above. If I play ICR2 now it feels very dated
to me, but I still realize it is quite an achievment for it's time.
Some people still play it today.
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>Yes and no, I think most of us tend to exaggerate our feelings to get >the point across, and these developers need to realize that and try >not to take these criticisms personally. > >The attention to detail is what made N3 an immersive NASCAR sim. All >the little things that we now take for granted in a Papyrus sim are >what is missing from NH. > >The guys that made N3 have nothing to be ashamed of, especially when >you consider that they made that game in about six months, once they >put "the real N3" - now known as N4 - on hold. > >If my expectations had not been set so high earlier by the GPL physics >model that was supposed to be in N3, I probably would have loved the >game.In article <IOaq5.27958$[email hidden]>, "Joe Marques"
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Actually, I think Nos apologized to Tracey in another message...
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>Drop the tough guy act. Until you use your name you're an anon pussy. > >-- >Joe Marques > >Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. ><[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:52:17 GMT, "Joe Marques" >> <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke: >> >> >Was that necessary? The guy disagrees and you make fun of his name. >Nos, >> >you are acting like the dickhead in this case. Relax man this NH >> >frustration is making you wierd. >> >> Who the hell are you? >> -- >> NosNo disagreement at all, Ian -- I just thought you might be experiencing
lag, rather than a general "feel" for the physics model itself. BTW,
I've tried that F12K patch you referred to, and, yes, it DOES make it
feel eerily like GP3, doesn't it? <G>
Hopefully future F1 offerings from ISI will offer improved "feel" in
the physics modeling -- I like it the way it is myself, but I don't
know if it's accurate for modern F1 cars or not. Still, fun is fun,
right? <G>
TTYL!
-- JB
In article <8o6sdo$6ls$[email hidden]>,
"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Hi John, it seems you misunderstand my feelings;) it's not a steeringlag
> I'm feeling, the car just seems too heavy and unresponsive for an F1car.
> The steering reacts the same on the Atlon as on my P2 333 o/c to 411with
> low graphics.
> As for running on the Athlon, I don't have the mirrors on at all, Irun in
> 640 x 480 with graphics on medium detail, cockpit on low detail andpit
> objects off, skybox to low etc.
> I haven't checked the frame-rate with FRAPS as I don't install any
> unnecessary programs on this PC, but the framerate I'd estimate as
>30fps
> most of the time.
> I don't really have a prob with running the game (the graphics arelow to
> ensure a good framerate but it will run higher and look better)
> Someone posted a hacked file for the vehicle physics and with thatinplace
> the car reacted much more like I'd expect a Formula 1 car to react,eerily
> close to GP3 actually <G> Also with this hack the tyre heat seems more
> realistic, in so much as the tyres take longer to get up totemperature and
> then overheat, the original does seem to be a bit "heavy?" on tyreusage.
> Don't take this as a knock at F1 2000, I enjoyed it for a few monthsprior
> to the release of GP3, however GP3 does seem to suit my taste betterat the
> moment.
> Maybe we'll just have to agree to diasagree on this title, as manyother
> titles such as NFS Porsche I quite agree with you on, we must justwant
$3op$[email hidden]...
> > Ian,
> >
> > Just to get us back off-topic again <G>, I'm running F12K on an AMDK6-
> > 2 400 system with 64 MB of RAM and a 16 MB Voodoo Banshee videocard,
> > and I'm getting VERY good frame rates (low 20s) and very decent
> > controller responsiveness. Have you tried any of the car setupsfrom
> > the Blackhole Motorsports site (http://www.bhmotorsports.com)?They do
> > make a big difference in the car's feel and handling. Also, I
> > typically drive the Ferrari car -- seems much more responsive thansome
Also,
> > try the Ferrari with one of the downloadable setups. ALSO, do yourun
> > "FRAPS" to check your frame rate? You want a STABLE frame rate, not
> > one which fluctuates as you move around the track -- a solid 20 fpsall
> > around is much better than 50 fps on some parts, with it droppinginto
> > the 20s on other parts. That fps drop will "feel" like lag to you,
> > especially if you're in the middle of a turn and dialing in steering
> > corrections.
> >
> > Let me know what's up on your end, and let's try to keep thisthread as
> > off-topic as we can! <G> (kidding, of course -- should we open a
> > different thread, I wonder??)
> >
> > -- JB
>
>
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> different things from F1 sims :) > > As for the different thread, changing the header slightly has actually > opened a new thread in my version of OE. > > -- > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o6an1Quoted text (7 lines)
> > of the other teams' cars -- so that might be making a bit of a > > difference. > > > > Definitely try turning off the pit lane objects, plus all details in > > the mirrors, and turning off particles and smoke, then see how the > > steering feels. Granted, you SHOULDN'T have to do this on an Athlon > > 750 system, but it might make a difference in the physics feel.He's someone with a real name Mr Nos.
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> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:52:17 GMT, "Joe Marques"
> <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>
> >Was that necessary? The guy disagrees and you make fun of his name.
Nos,
> >you are acting like the dickhead in this case. Relax man this NH
> >frustration is making you wierd.
>
> Who the hell are you?
> --
> Nos
How do you know N4 will save mid race? N3 has 4DOF physics and saves. GPL
6DOF no saves. NH 6DOF no saves. See a pattern here? Don't be so sure N4
will have mid race saves. No 6DOF racing game has it as far as I know.
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<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:27:40 -0400, "PapySUX" <[email hidden]> thus
> spoke:
>
> >But-I put N3 away about 12 months
> >ago-BOOOORRRINNG!
>
> Apart from the physics why do feel that N3 is boring, but NH isn't?
> At least when N4 comes out I know it will be able to save mid race.
> I'm buying NH, but calling N3 boring just doesn't make sense when both
> games simulate the same sport.
> --
> Nos
Was that necessary? The guy disagrees and you make fun of his name. Nos,
you are acting like the dickhead in this case. Relax man this NH
frustration is making you wierd.
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<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:10:43 -0500, "Tracey A Miller"
> <[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>
> >> Everything you say above is wrong. I actually prefer the clean
> >> graphics of N3 to NH.
> >
> >Me too, I also prefer Pong over Virtua Tennis, LOL!
> >
> >> Physics are not too bad, maybe they
> >> can't fly like the cars in NH, but they are still pretty good.
> >
> >Very good actually, for simulating driving a monorail car.
> >
> >> NH does
> >> have better physics (rather obvious), but that still doesn't make N3
> >> boring so I think you are just overly opinionated.
> >
> >True, N3 makes N3 boring - not NH, it was boring long before NH.
>
> Oh fuck, let's all bow to the new king and make up falsifications
> about N3. BTW, I see you use a female name. Are you really female or
> were your parents just cruel to you? You talk like a man, but it's
> hard to tell. Use whichever is appropriate.
> 1. bitch
> 2. dickhead
>
> Oh, and have a nice day.
>
> --
> Nos
Hi,
I was also going to post a message along these very same lines too
Francois, but you did it for me.. :)
I have often wonderd about some of the comments that i have read in RAS
over the last few years, concerning the response/flaming that
developers recieve from a sad few individuals..
The developers know that these sad few that do tend to go over board on
the abuse and flaming are not a true representation of our sim racing
community, so if they use this excuse to pull out of discussions and
feedback from RAS, then IMO they didn't want the feedback to begin
with.
Most developers know who the sim racing community is and true and
honest feedback can be had here for any developer seeking it, but for a
developer to say that because Joe Citizen and his minority group of
followers give me a hard time, then i think i will not bother coming
back here, is total rubbish...
The idiots that post here are a minority and the developers know that,
so they should just ignore the rubbish and take note of the real
issues, both good and bad with their products, that the RAS regulars
can supply and not punnish the RAS regulars for the tactics of a
minority few.
I have only tried the demo of Heat, and while i liked the driving
physics, i didn't like the in-car graphics of the cockpit.
It just looked and felt a bit "flat", for want of a better word, and
the gauges were dark and hard to read, but i have only tried it in
800x600 mode with a V2 card, so it could look a lot better with a
better video card, but IMO, the in-car feeling that the cockpit of N3
gives me, feels more like i am in a car, where as i feel i am looking
at a flat screen picture in Heat..
That is not a flame, but just my observations.
A few guys complained about the engine sound, but i liked the engine
sounds of Heat.
The feeling of acceleration and power is much better than N3 and it
actually feels like it is a high powered V8, rather than a 6 cylinder
automatic which is the feeling N3 portrays to me.
The animated pit crews are great, yes i know it is only eye candy, but
it really adds to the realism and feeling of immersion..
I only hope that Papy have seen the positive response that the animated
pit crews have recieved in Heat and implement it into N4 as it really
is a great immersive addition to the sim.
Unfortunately it is hard to get a real feel for the driving model
without a few laps of a road course, but some of the posts about road
course handling have been encouraging, so it seems the physics engine
is up to the task of road courses too.
I am in the camp that feels there should be a save game feature, as it
is sensible to include something that can be switched off if someone
doesn't want to use it, in which case it keeps all camps happy, but
without it, it only keeps a few happy..
Anyway, i only wanted to reply to Francois, saying i agreed with him,
but i got a bit carried away...
Ron Ayton
Australia
"Francois Dubuc" <[email hidden]> wrote in article
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your
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> Ed, > > I don't want to be disrespectuful or ungrateful, I appreciate you > being here for sure. But I've seen too many a publisher using one > angry post to justify not coming back here to support the rest of us > (The first one that comes to mind: Remember that Dean guy from the > CART-PR team?). > > It might be a privilege for us to have you around, but don't forget > that this group also has something to offer to developpers. For one, > a great bunch of willing beta-testers! > > Maybe you're just gonna have to deal with the frustrations of some, > and if it's a problem to you I'm sure you already know how to useQuoted text (10 lines)
> newsreader's filtering abilities (maybe you'll try it on me first > after this message... doh!). > > So again I thank you for being here and let's make it a constructive > partnership on both sides. Oh and since english is not my native > tongue, please excuse me if the tone of this message is offending, it > wasn't intended. > > Frank >LOL!
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<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> N5 will be MUCH better than NH and N4... So I'm going to wait for that
> one... Actually NH2 will be the best sim ever (Unless GPL 3.0 finally
> comes out) so maybe I should just wait for that one. But then again,
> GP6 should be out soon... so...ummm... never mind... GP6 will still be
> terrible....
>
>
> In article <5Tip5.989$[email hidden]>,
> "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > Actually, I'm with you. Not knocking HEAT, but overall....N4 I
> feel will
> > be much better than HEAT. HEAT to me is like NFSPU arcadish with a
> sim
> > aspects thrown in to satisfy both ends of the consumers.
> >
> > -Cheers!
> >
> > "Ben" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > Picked up one of three copies shipped to EB near my home at 45 bucks
> > > plus tax. Have been messing with it for a while and here are my
> > > thoughts:
> > >
> > > I'm gonna wait for NASCAR 4. This things's prolly going back unless
> > > some smart codebuster can figure a way to get rid of the "Rusty" and
> > > "Dale Jr." cars and replace them with the Ford Miller Light and
> > > Budwieser Chevy. I know, I know, it's no big thing , but it bugs
> the
> > > heck out of me.
> > >
> > > Tracks look okay, races okay , nothing different from the demo. If
> > > you hit a wall, the same thing happens most of the time...the car
> > > flips on its side and slides a ways down the track, you know, like
> in
> > > real life. Also, as in the demo, if you get a little air under the
> > > car it suddenly inflates with helium and you fly around in the air a
> > > little while.
> > >
> > > Nascar 3 IMHO has got this thing beat to death. Eye candy is no
> > > substitute for realism, and I'm afraid there has been a little bit
> of
> > > mass hysteria over this title.
> > >
> > > That's it, flame away.
> > >
> > > Ben
> >
> >
>
>
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>
> Say ... whatever happened to CPR, anyway? Did they ever come out with
> the "v2" that was supposed to fix all the nonsense in their
> "rushed-to-the-shelves-in-time-for-Christmas" version 1?
Yep, it got released. Triglide.dll I believe it was called. But the AI
never got fixed up to snuff. Not even *close* actually. Too bad.
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:49:19 GMT, "Joe Marques"
<Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>How do you know N4 will save mid race? N3 has 4DOF physics and saves. GPL
>6DOF no saves. NH 6DOF no saves. See a pattern here? Don't be so sure N4
>will have mid race saves. No 6DOF racing game has it as far as I know.
You have a point. But, I fully expect you will be proven wrong when N4
comes out.
--
Nos
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:52:17 GMT, "Joe Marques"
<Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>Was that necessary? The guy disagrees and you make fun of his name. Nos,
>you are acting like the dickhead in this case. Relax man this NH
>frustration is making you wierd.
Who the hell are you?
--
Nos
Someone that's not afraid to use his name so that people do know who he is.
And you?
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>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:52:17 GMT, "Joe Marques" ><Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke: > >Who the hell are you? >-- >Nos >On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:29:59 GMT, "Michael P. Mabrey"
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>Someone that's not afraid to use his name so that people do know who he is.
>And you?
NYFB
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Drop the tough guy act. Until you use your name you're an anon pussy.
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<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:52:17 GMT, "Joe Marques"
> <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>
> >Was that necessary? The guy disagrees and you make fun of his name.
Nos,
> >you are acting like the dickhead in this case. Relax man this NH
> >frustration is making you wierd.
>
> Who the hell are you?
> --
> Nos
Hey rrevved . . ahem I mean Ed, nice to see you're using your real name.
Now you can insult people and take full responsibility ;-). You know I
really don't have a problem with nicknames or callsigns, I find them
intriguing actually. In fact, if you don't mind me asking, what does
rrevved mean? Is it pronounced "revved" or "ar revved"? I also wonder what
Nos means. I remember him changing it to some Prince like symbol for a
while. Anyway, back to my point.
The nickname thing only pisses me off when someone like Nos attacks someone
else for no reason. My latest response, calling him an anon pussy was a bit
harsh and I should have cooled off before hitting send. I was just pissed
by his reaction of: "Who the hell are you?" As if I have to "be" someone to
criticize him. Sorry, I don't have a cool nickname I guess I'm not
"somebody" in this ng ;-). Okay, from now on I'm Dexlar the Iceman of the
Crystalis Kingdom. I'll go by the initials D.I.C.K. Nah, that's not for me
;-).
I'm glad to see he apologized to Tracey in another post, classy move. I do
regret calling him a pussy and I too apologize. He is usually a thoughtful
poster and just pissed me off lately with his strange hostile attitude
(Nascar Heat Fever?). Alright enough sappy shit, where's that ng anger!
I do find inflammatory, obnoxious, or macho tough-guy bullshit annoying as
hell when it comes from an anonymous post. It's too easy to be brave behind
the security of anonymity. Say whatever you want here, but if you're
personally attacking someone be a man and sign your name.
Signed,
John Doe, I mean Joe Marques
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"Ed Bain" <rrevved(Ed Bain)@no_email.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:52:08 GMT, "Joe Marques"<Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (8 lines)
> > >Drop the tough guy act. Until you use your name you're an anon pussy. > > > >Joe Marques > > Ouch. You're right, though. I am now transformed into my real name, > Ed Bain, from the former rrevved .. >On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:11:09 -0500, Ed Bain <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>Praise "Bob".
Some things are bad. Some things are so bad that they become good
again.
~daxe
Ed Bain wrote:
> You could ask him directly, but it stands for Nosferatu, as in Vampire..
Ah ha ... I thought that line of BS sounded familiar. NOW I remember
"Nosferatu" from many, many moons ago. And I thought my mind only
blocked out GOOD memories...
BB
Then I guess it's also "NYFB" who the hell he is.....
[email hidden] wrote in message <[email hidden]>...
>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:29:59 GMT, "Michael P. Mabrey"
><[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>
>>Someone that's not afraid to use his name so that people do know who heis.
>>And you?
>
>NYFB
>--
>Nos
>
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:49:02 GMT, Barton Brown <[email hidden]>
wrote:
I thought Nos stood for "New Old Stock."
Or maybe "Just say Nos"
~daxe
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>Ed Bain wrote: > >> You could ask him directly, but it stands for Nosferatu, as in Vampire.. > >Ah ha ... I thought that line of BS sounded familiar. NOW I remember >"Nosferatu" from many, many moons ago. And I thought my mind only >blocked out GOOD memories...In article <eNgp5.68845$[email hidden]>,
"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> writes:
>It's pretty funny really. You can murder babies before they are born, but
>you can't put a beer or a pack of smokes on a car. I guess I just don't get
>it.
You can murder babies after they're born as well, as long as you don't
drink or smoke, AND wear clothes. :-) I gave up on logic in the real
world long ago.
Robert
"Ed Bain" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Hehe.. well, the rrevved stands for a combination of REVVED
> (as in a car motor) and Right Reverend Ed , since I am also a
> Ordained [cough] Subgenius [cough] minister.
Whoa!...
> Check out our site at: http://www.subgenius.com/fist.html
> ..or our newsgroups alt.slack or alt.binaries.slack
double whoa!
I don't remember you saying that in the past when you switched to rrevved.
Darn now I'll have to create myself a false identity so I can reach your
level of weirdness. Oh wait, I did that in the past ;-)
<sketching the return of LeChicken>
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daxe wrote:
> I thought Nos stood for "New Old Stock."
>
> Or maybe "Just say Nos"
How about "Nitrous Oxide System"?
BB
ymenard wrote:
Uh-oh. Now *there's* some memories!!
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> > "Ed Bain" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Hehe.. well, the rrevved stands for a combination of REVVED > > (as in a car motor) and Right Reverend Ed , since I am also a > > Ordained [cough] Subgenius [cough] minister. > > Whoa!... > > > Check out our site at: http://www.subgenius.com/fist.html > > ..or our newsgroups alt.slack or alt.binaries.slack > > double whoa! > > I don't remember you saying that in the past when you switched to rrevved. > Darn now I'll have to create myself a false identity so I can reach your > level of weirdness. Oh wait, I did that in the past ;-) > > <sketching the return of LeChicken>[email hidden] wrote:
>
> N1 and N3 has the same physics engine? Bollocks. Yea, I'm a punk,
> Anarchy in the Uuuuu...Kayyyyy...
I'm not going to say they are *identical*, but they have the same
origins no doubt, not to mention the same "flaws" when it comes to
weight distribution and such and n N3 the physics engines really showing
it's age, but since we have a few Papy people dropping in here every now
and then, let's make it simple and ask them, I'll even let you formulate
the question ......
My statement is that N3 uses a tweaked N2 engine which again was a
tweaked N1 engine,
The reason I'm confident about this is that my setups has transferred
very nicely from one to the next, and those setups shouldn't work
really, but they do, and the car responds just the same way when I alter
the setups, responds in a way it shouldn't so the inherent flaws of the
old engine must still be there
<prepares to eat crow>
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:22:02 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> thus
spoke:
><prepares to eat crow>
Don't care for crow. And the statement was that they use the same
engine. A tweaked engine is not the same as the original. I know NH
has a much better physics engine, but N3 is still not crap as some
people say. That's the only point I'm making.
--
Nos
[email hidden] wrote:
>
> Don't care for crow. And the statement was that they use the same
> engine. A tweaked engine is not the same as the original. I know NH
> has a much better physics engine, but N3 is still not crap as some
> people say. That's the only point I'm making.
If so, then I agree, but I still say the N3 *physics* engine is crap
:-), I enjoyed it quite a bit in it's n2 guise on TEN and N99 in the
TPTCC series, but I sat down a couple of weeks ago and some laps at Sear
to come up with a new setup for the team, and I have to say that I was
very bored while doing so, and I happen to love Sears.......
That doesn't mean N3 is crap, there's lot's of folks enjoying themselves
playing N3, so for those it's obviously not crap, it's just that some of
us have raced that same physics engine in several variations over the
years now, and it *is* getting dated, and the little I have driven of
NHeat so far only makes that even more obvious
But if you're saying "same" as in "identical", then I guess you're right
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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Goy Larsen wrote:
> <prepares to eat crow>
Tastes just like chicken. Don't bother asking how I know ;)
BB
Barton Brown wrote:
>
> Goy Larsen wrote:
>
> > <prepares to eat crow>
>
> Tastes just like chicken. Don't bother asking how I know ;)
Over here they serve crow at certain restaurants, not that I've ever
tried it, but this might be an opportunity I guess :-)
Beers and cheers
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:21:37 +0100, "Tim Wheatley"
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>He's someone with a real name Mr Nos.
How do you know it's his real name? And how do you know Nos is not my
real name? People who use their real name on usenet are either naive
or...well, let's just say you don't want to hear my opinion on that.
--
Nos
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:01:32 GMT, "Michael P. Mabrey"
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>Then I guess it's also "NYFB" who the hell he is.....
Heh...saying "who the hell are you?", is an insiders joke. You don't
get it so butt out.
--
Nos
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:52:08 GMT, "Joe Marques"
<Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>Drop the tough guy act. Until you use your name you're an anon pussy.
>
Ok, I posted this with my real name. Happy now?
--
Nos
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:15:42 GMT, "Joe Marques"
<Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke:
Joe, Joe, Joe...I thought you would have got the "who the hell are
you?" comment. See Greg Cisko for reference. As for using your real
name or not. What difference does it make? Are you implying that if I
use my real name then that people can track me down and beat me up
over a few choice words? Is that the level of intelligence I am
dealing with here? Maybe it's time to sign off from this group and
move on if you all are so testy over some silly words.
--
Nos
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>I do find inflammatory, obnoxious, or macho tough-guy bullshit annoying as >hell when it comes from an anonymous post. It's too easy to be brave behind >the security of anonymity. Say whatever you want here, but if you're >personally attacking someone be a man and sign your name. > >Signed, > >John Doe, I mean Joe MarquesOn Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:49:02 GMT, Barton Brown <[email hidden]>
thus spoke:
>Ah ha ... I thought that line of BS sounded familiar. NOW I remember
>"Nosferatu" from many, many moons ago. And I thought my mind only
>blocked out GOOD memories...
>
>BB
Just following tradition. :-)
--
Nos
[email hidden] wrote:
>
> Just following tradition. :-)
THAT'S it, Sydney! Now that I know your real name, I'm gonna come over
to your house and slap you one right upside your punkin' haid. Yeah,
that's what I'm gonna do! Yeah! You just wait, buster! I'm gettin' in my
car RAHT now!
Could you imagine what a global traffic jam there'd be if every troll,
flamebait, and disgruntled UseNet poster simultaneously decided to hop
in their cars and go find their "tormentors" for a little "mano a mano"
fisticuffs-- jeez, sounds like a MUCH better premise for a movie plot
than that sickening "You've Got Mail!"
Reminds me of my all-time favorite UseNet flame war, which spilled over
into about 400 different newsgroups:
Poster 1: Henry Rollins could beat the shit out of Glen Danzig any day
of the week!
Poster 2: No way, man... Danzig would break Rollins in half!
Poster1: No way, man!
Poster 2: Yes way!
I *ain't* making this up!, and it went on with a repetition of "No
way"/"Yes way" for about two weeks, as I remember -- somehow it even
made it into rec.models.scale! No one will be surprised to learn that it
hit ras.f1 early and often!
BB
Who the hell are you....
PAPA DOC
PS...You are still famously popular here after all this time...<G>
>
>Ok, I posted this with my real name. Happy now?
>--
>Nos
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Rants, Bullshit and Help Guides availible at
www.papadoc.net
Nos, I did not get the reference to Cisko. Worse than that, I took it
completely the wrong way. Looking at it now I realize my reaction was a bit
much, sorry :-). If you look at my last post in it's entirety I think
you'll see I wasn't as annoyed as I appear to be in the last paragraph.
One more thing: Who the hell are you telling me to sign off this group! ;-)
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<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:15:42 GMT, "Joe Marques"
> <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>
>
> >I do find inflammatory, obnoxious, or macho tough-guy bullshit annoying
as
> >hell when it comes from an anonymous post. It's too easy to be brave
behind
> >the security of anonymity. Say whatever you want here, but if you're
> >personally attacking someone be a man and sign your name.
> >
> >Signed,
> >
> >John Doe, I mean Joe Marques
>
> Joe, Joe, Joe...I thought you would have got the "who the hell are
> you?" comment. See Greg Cisko for reference. As for using your real
> name or not. What difference does it make? Are you implying that if I
> use my real name then that people can track me down and beat me up
> over a few choice words? Is that the level of intelligence I am
> dealing with here? Maybe it's time to sign off from this group and
> move on if you all are so testy over some silly words.
> --
> Nos
Hello Sydney . . . <using my best "Scream" voice> (Since confusion over
references caused this silliness in the first place "Scream" is a horror
flick where some guy terrorizes Sydney and in several scenes he calls her on
the phone and says "Hello Sydney"). Alright, it's just not as effective
with the long explanation.
Seriously though, my point about anonymous bashing is NOT about macho crap
where the offended poster tracks you down. What I was talking about was
being responsible for what we say. If we are anonymous we may be
uninhibited. We are less likely to be foolish, embarrassing, obnoxious,
etc. using our real names (Greg Cisko excluded <JOKE!>). That's all I meant
and I'm actually tired of the topic so let's move on shall we?
It's nice to know you have a real name, certainly more interesting than
"Joe". Not only do you have a cool nickname but you also have a cool real
name. You suck. Can you post as DORK for a week ;-). BTW, I apologized
earlier for the "pussy" comment so no hard feelings, okay dork? (I really
like DORK better than NOS, wadda ya say just for a week).
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Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me.
<Sydney Winthrop The [email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:52:08 GMT, "Joe Marques"
> <Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>
> >Drop the tough guy act. Until you use your name you're an anon pussy.
> >
>
> Ok, I posted this with my real name. Happy now?
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> Nos
If you would've said that 2 posts ago instead of acting like you're the ng
god then it never would've went this far.
[email hidden] wrote in message <[email hidden]>...
>
>Heh...saying "who the hell are you?", is an insiders joke. You don't
>get it so butt out.
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>Nos
>
Guess I wasn't the only one that didn't "get" the inside joke. Looks like
the "insider" didn't get it either. <G>
[email hidden] wrote in message <[email hidden]>...
>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:15:42 GMT, "Joe Marques"
><Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>
>
>>I do find inflammatory, obnoxious, or macho tough-guy bullshit annoying as
>>hell when it comes from an anonymous post. It's too easy to be bravebehind
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>>the security of anonymity. Say whatever you want here, but if you're >>personally attacking someone be a man and sign your name. >> >>Signed, >> >>John Doe, I mean Joe Marques > >Joe, Joe, Joe...I thought you would have got the "who the hell are >you?" comment. See Greg Cisko for reference. As for using your real >name or not. What difference does it make? Are you implying that if I >use my real name then that people can track me down and beat me up >over a few choice words? Is that the level of intelligence I am >dealing with here? Maybe it's time to sign off from this group and >move on if you all are so testy over some silly words. >-- >NosOn Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:37:40 GMT, [email hidden] (Pierre Legrand)
thus spoke:
>Who the hell are you....
>
>PAPA DOC
>
>PS...You are still famously popular here after all this time...<G>
Some things never change. :-)
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:16:00 GMT, "Joe Marques"
<Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>Nos, I did not get the reference to Cisko. Worse than that, I took it
>completely the wrong way. Looking at it now I realize my reaction was a bit
>much, sorry :-). If you look at my last post in it's entirety I think
>you'll see I wasn't as annoyed as I appear to be in the last paragraph.
>
>One more thing: Who the hell are you telling me to sign off this group! ;-)
Nos has left the house. I meant Nos sign off, not you.
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:24:45 GMT, "Joe Marques"
<Joe"NO_SPAM"[email hidden]> thus spoke:
Nah, I get the dork reference though. Don't worry about your comments
to me, I've been called *much* worse. Being able to say what you like
on the internet is one of it's great attributes. The fact I can call
you a twat without having it come to fisticuffs is liberating. :-)
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>Hello Sydney . . . <using my best "Scream" voice> (Since confusion over >references caused this silliness in the first place "Scream" is a horror >flick where some guy terrorizes Sydney and in several scenes he calls her on >the phone and says "Hello Sydney"). Alright, it's just not as effective >with the long explanation. > >Seriously though, my point about anonymous bashing is NOT about macho crap >where the offended poster tracks you down. What I was talking about was >being responsible for what we say. If we are anonymous we may be >uninhibited. We are less likely to be foolish, embarrassing, obnoxious, >etc. using our real names (Greg Cisko excluded <JOKE!>). That's all I meant >and I'm actually tired of the topic so let's move on shall we? > >It's nice to know you have a real name, certainly more interesting than >"Joe". Not only do you have a cool nickname but you also have a cool real >name. You suck. Can you post as DORK for a week ;-). BTW, I apologized >earlier for the "pussy" comment so no hard feelings, okay dork? (I really >like DORK better than NOS, wadda ya say just for a week). >On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:11:12 GMT, "Michael P. Mabrey"
<[email hidden]> thus spoke:
>If you would've said that 2 posts ago instead of acting like you're the ng
>god then it never would've went this far.
NG God? Where do people get this stuff from. Thx for playing.
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