Re: You people piss me off! Look at NH again after this...

Alex Kihurani wrote in message ... >I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people >are so stupid [snip] What percentage of people have been criticising NH's physics? To me it was rather obvious that NH had quite good physics, but I'm not much of a Nascar fan (it's a taste thing), so I've been avoiding the longer NH threads. Bendito;

Another thing I like is when you completely flip the car on it's roof and rev the engine you see the car rock as a result of the engine torque. Ala GPL........... NH me up... Alex Kihurani <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rQgp5.8541$Q%[email hidden]... > I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people > are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if yourun > into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCARdrivers > don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the > ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide > tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car > would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. Youcan > put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't haveto > worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheelslocking > up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFBin

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> NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even > happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, > great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin > paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you can't > drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly like GPL > and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similar to > GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3, it > takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, I can > switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be > smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > > Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT

reason > why NH is "arcade". > > Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from the > center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if youslam > on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hard while > trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias tosave > spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transferthe > weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spins feel > canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? AtSears > Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? Sotell

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> me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? > > Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > > Thanks, > Alex > > >

On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:54:31 GMT, "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people >are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if you run >into the wall head on at 180mph. I flipped my car at Richmond by hitting the curb with two tires. Funniest part? Last time I saw Richmond there was NO CURB before pit road. Just some barrels and a painted line to mark the entrance of pit road.

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>I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people >are so stupid. > >Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT reason >why NH is "arcade". > > >Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > >Thanks, >Alex

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I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if you run into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCAR drivers don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. You can put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't have to worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheels locking up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFB in NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you can't drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly like GPL and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similar to GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3, it takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, I can switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT reason why NH is "arcade". Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from the center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if you slam on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hard while trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias to save spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transfer the weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spins feel canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? At Sears Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? So tell me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out Thanks, Alex

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Right on the nose... Someone had to say it..... Thanks! On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:54:31 GMT, "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people >are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if you run >into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCAR drivers >don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the >ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide >tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car >would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. You can >put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't have to >worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheels locking >up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFB in >NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even >happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, >great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin >paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you can't >drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly like GPL >and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similar to >GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3, it >takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, I can >switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be >smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > >Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT reason >why NH is "arcade". > >Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from the >center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if you slam >on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hard while >trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias to save >spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transfer the >weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spins feel >canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? At Sears >Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? So tell >me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? > >Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > >Thanks, >Alex > >

FINALLY!!!!!!!!! The voice of reason speaks :o) (Wonder what they would be sayin if NH had been released by Papy?) On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:54:31 GMT, "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people >are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if you run >into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCAR drivers >don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the >ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide >tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car >would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. You can >put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't have to >worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheels locking >up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFB in >NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even >happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, >great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin >paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you can't >drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly like GPL >and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similar to >GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3, it >takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, I can >switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be >smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > >Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT reason >why NH is "arcade". > >Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from the >center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if you slam >on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hard while >trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias to save >spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transfer the >weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spins feel >canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? At Sears >Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? So tell >me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? > >Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > >Thanks, >Alex > > >

good flame... I enjoyed it :-)

you go girl .... i can't really pull that off can i ? sigh well said anyway ;-))) shane Alex Kihurani <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rQgp5.8541$Q%[email hidden]... > I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people > are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if yourun > into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCARdrivers > don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the > ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide > tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car > would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. Youcan > put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't haveto > worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheelslocking > up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFBin

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> NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even > happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, > great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin > paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you can't > drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly like GPL > and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similar to > GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3, it > takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, I can > switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be > smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > > Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT

reason > why NH is "arcade". > > Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from the > center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if youslam > on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hard while > trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias tosave > spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transferthe > weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spins feel > canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? AtSears > Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? Sotell

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> me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? > > Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > > Thanks, > Alex > > >

Thank you Alex. The issue is that everyone seems to think Papyrus' N1-N3 are what "real" is all about. So, Heat is compared to that version of reality instead of actual reality in some people's cases. Of course, those folks will have to bite their tongue when N4 comes out next year because it will be very different from N1-N3... "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rQgp5.8541$Q%[email hidden]... > I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people > are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if yourun > into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCARdrivers > don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the > ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide > tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car > would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. Youcan > put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't haveto > worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheelslocking > up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFBin

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> NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even > happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, > great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin > paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you can't > drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly like GPL > and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similar to > GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3, it > takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, I can > switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be > smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > > Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT

reason > why NH is "arcade". > > Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from the > center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if youslam > on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hard while > trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias tosave > spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transferthe > weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spins feel > canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? AtSears > Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? Sotell

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> me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? > > Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > > Thanks, > Alex > > >

hehe, that is the problem, Ed. I'll bet N4 will be quite a bit different from NH too considering Papyrus is targeting a different audience. NH is a nice "stepping stone" into 3d physics and will probably help sales for N4 by preparing racers and advancing their skills. I'm just paranoid of Sierra at the moment. I hope they give Papy some artistic freedom. Ed Martin wrote: > > Thank you Alex. The issue is that everyone seems to think Papyrus' N1-N3 are what "real" is all about.

Ed is it possible to get some details of the physics engine in heat ... its frequency etc , what is does and doesn't simulate in general terms ? I feel that it is as sophisticated as other high end not named Sims ta mate Shane Ed Martin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OThp5.44514$[email hidden]... > Thank you Alex. The issue is that everyone seems to think Papyrus' N1-N3 > are what "real" is all about. So, Heat is compared to that version of > reality instead of actual reality in some people's cases. Of course,those > folks will have to bite their tongue when N4 comes out next year becauseit > will be very different from N1-N3... > > > "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rQgp5.8541$Q%[email hidden]... > > I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of youpeople

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> > are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if you > run > > into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCAR > drivers > > don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the > > ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide > > tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car > > would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. You > can > > put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't

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> to > > worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheels > locking > > up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFB > in > > NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even > > happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, > > great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin > > paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you

can't > > drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly likeGPL > > and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similarto > > GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3,it > > takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, Ican

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> > switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be > > smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > > > > Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT > reason > > why NH is "arcade". > > > > Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from

the > > center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if you > slam > > on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hardwhile > > trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias to > save > > spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transfer > the > > weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spinsfeel

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> > canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? At > Sears > > Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? So > tell > > me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? > > > > Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > > > > Thanks, > > Alex > > > > > > > >

Well I'd just like the game to react correctly when I wreck not on purpose. Not abusing, but using the game engine. I don't want the car getting in the air when it shouldn't. If I get loose coming out of turn four at Richmond, and spin it, I shouldn't become totally airborne 2 or 3 times during that spin, then get hit by another car and fly all over the place like Need For Speed. No I shouldn't have wrecked in the first place, but in your example about locking up the brakes, developers shouldn't use the excuse that they don't need to include brake lock up, because well you shouldn't have screwed up anyways. But lets not fool ourselves, this isn't a make or break feature, how the car drives when your not wrecking IS more important than when you are, but should still be done right in a simulation. What Ed Martin said early may be true with some people, but I rethink more people are comparing the ability to get airborne to real life more. Anyone comparing it to N1-N3 obviously haven't put any thought in since, you CAN'T get airborne, those who have put the least bit of thought in are presumably comparing it to real life or some other sim. Alex Kihurani <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rQgp5.8541$Q%[email hidden]... > I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people > are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if yourun > into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCARdrivers > don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the > ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide > tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car > would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. Youcan > put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't haveto > worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheelslocking > up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFB in

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> NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even > happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, > great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin > paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you can't > drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly like GPL > and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similar to > GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3, it > takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, I can > switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be > smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > > Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT

reason > why NH is "arcade". > > Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from the > center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if youslam > on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hard while > trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias tosave > spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transferthe > weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spins feel > canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? AtSears > Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? Sotell

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> me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? > > Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > > Thanks, > Alex > > >

On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:28:16 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

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>Well, that sums it up for physics realism and track accuracy in NASCAR >Heat, I guess. > >Now, though, could you describe to me what happened the last time you >got airborne in NASCAR 3? Was it similar to how it worked in NASCAR >99, or did it have more in common with NASCAR 2? Or was it maybe just >a bit closer to GPL, perhaps? > >-- JB

Normally if I'm even close to being involed in a wreck that'd possibly leave me upside down in real life the race is over for me anyway.

>"Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Sorry, just REALLY had to get that out Excellent perspective. Nice, objective, well thought out, opinion and critique of Nascar Heat and sims in general.

On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:54:31 GMT, "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> >Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out I thought the whole deal about the lack of a save option was a little bit exaggerated, and now people complain that there are no cigarette adverts on the cars... Some people will allways have a reason to complain. I loved the demo of Nascar Heat, and I will surely order it. Thanks for the excellent post, some people really need to wake up here. Andre >Thanks, >Alex > >

Could not have said it better myself. I just bought it today after trying the demo. Bill > I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of youpeople > are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much ifyou run > into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCARdrivers > don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL onthe > ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide > tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a realcar > would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy.You can > put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don'thave to > worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheelslocking > up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also,LFB in > NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even > happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, greatFF, > great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about afreakin > paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because youcan't > drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactlylike GPL > and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is sosimilar to > GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 orGP3, it > takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, Ican > switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how tobe > smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > > Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENTreason > why NH is "arcade". > > Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting fromthe > center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up ifyou slam > on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hardwhile > trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake biasto save > spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can youtransfer the > weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spinsfeel > canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? AtSears > Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses?So tell > me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels whiledriving?

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> > Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > > Thanks, > Alex > >

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I did that in the demo, Hooked the curb and rolled. Never seen that in real life. But it is just a game. And they are getting better every year. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] --------------------------------------------------- "Jeff Szarka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:54:31 GMT, "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people > >are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if you run > >into the wall head on at 180mph. > > > I flipped my car at Richmond by hitting the curb with two tires. > > Funniest part? Last time I saw Richmond there was NO CURB before pit > road. Just some barrels and a painted line to mark the entrance of pit > road. > >

Nice post. -- Joe Marques Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rQgp5.8541$Q%[email hidden]... > I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people > are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if you run > into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCAR drivers > don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the > ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide > tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car > would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. You can > put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't have to > worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheels locking > up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFB in > NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even > happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, > great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin > paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you can't > drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly like GPL > and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similar to > GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3, it > takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, I can > switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be > smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > > Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT reason > why NH is "arcade". > > Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from the > center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if you slam > on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hard while > trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias to save > spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transfer the > weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spins feel > canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? At Sears > Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? So tell > me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? > > Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > > Thanks, > Alex > > >

Well, that sums it up for physics realism and track accuracy in NASCAR Heat, I guess. Now, though, could you describe to me what happened the last time you got airborne in NASCAR 3? Was it similar to how it worked in NASCAR 99, or did it have more in common with NASCAR 2? Or was it maybe just a bit closer to GPL, perhaps? -- JB In article <[email hidden]>, Jeff Szarka <[email hidden]> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:54:31 GMT, "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of youpeople > >are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much ifyou run

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> >into the wall head on at 180mph. > > I flipped my car at Richmond by hitting the curb with two tires. > > Funniest part? Last time I saw Richmond there was NO CURB before pit > road. Just some barrels and a painted line to mark the entrance of pit > road. > >

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Yeah, as someone who hates this game, you are right, and you know what, I will still play it for that reason, but only as practice, by myself on the track to learn how to correctly drive a stocker. The rest of the games still blows! All of it, the damage model, the extra wear factor to get more damage - but the tires wear out quicker, the god forsaken rolling starts, the I don't care that there are no cigarette and beer cars in the game because I'm used to putting them in myself, and personal pet-peeve, but something I may be wrong on - aren't these tracks too damn narrow, especially sears point. It doesn't look that narrow on TV, and I've been on Watkins Glen, and I know that the track appears wider in real life than in the game. "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rQgp5.8541$Q%[email hidden]... > I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people > are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if yourun > into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCARdrivers > don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the > ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide > tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car > would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. Youcan > put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't haveto > worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheelslocking > up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFBin

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> NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even > happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, > great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin > paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you can't > drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly like GPL > and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similar to > GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3, it > takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, I can > switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be > smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > > Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT

reason > why NH is "arcade". > > Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from the > center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if youslam > on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hard while > trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias tosave > spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transferthe > weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spins feel > canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? AtSears > Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? Sotell

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> me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? > > Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > > Thanks, > Alex > > >

You people sound like my mom and basketball coach :) Alex rogue_3d <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o6c3d$lhq$[email hidden]... > Yeah, as someone who hates this game, you are right, and you know what, I > will still play it for that reason, but only as practice, by myself on the > track to learn how to correctly drive a stocker. The rest of the gamesstill > blows! All of it, the damage model, the extra wear factor to get more > damage - but the tires wear out quicker, the god forsaken rolling starts, > the I don't care that there are no cigarette and beer cars in the game > because I'm used to putting them in myself, and personal pet-peeve, but > something I may be wrong on - aren't these tracks too damn narrow, > especially sears point. It doesn't look that narrow on TV, and I've beenon > Watkins Glen, and I know that the track appears wider in real life than in > the game. > > "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rQgp5.8541$Q%[email hidden]... > > I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of youpeople

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> > are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if you > run > > into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCAR > drivers > > don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the > > ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide > > tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car > > would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. You > can > > put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't

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> to > > worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheels > locking > > up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFB > in > > NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even > > happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, > > great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin > > paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you

can't > > drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly likeGPL > > and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similarto > > GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3,it > > takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, Ican

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> > switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be > > smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > > > > Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT > reason > > why NH is "arcade". > > > > Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from

the > > center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if you > slam > > on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hardwhile > > trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias to > save > > spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transfer > the > > weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spinsfeel

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> > canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? At > Sears > > Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? So > tell > > me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? > > > > Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > > > > Thanks, > > Alex > > > > > > > >

It's only happened once in a test session, I checked that I wasn't assisted by the little "jump" going into the pits I got loose out of turn 4 and got up on 2 wheels, bounced, then on the other two wheels, bounced and got on the original two wheels, I looked at the reply and I did have it partially confused with another wreck where like 3 AI cars got airborne, as did I. But the part I described just now does exist. rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:55:42 -0700, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >I don't want the car getting in the air when it shouldn't. If I get loose > >coming out of turn four at Richmond, and spin it, I shouldn't becometotally > >airborne 2 or 3 times during that spin, then get hit by another car andfly

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> >all over the place like Need For Speed. > > > > How did you get airborne by spinning at Richmond? I have run > a zillion laps, and have spun [cough] lots of times and that has > never happened to me. I have been HIT while in a spin at > Richmond and gotten up on two wheels, flipped etc., but a spin > by itself has never, ever caused me to get air. >

lol -- Tim, [email hidden]|[email hidden] http://legends.sports-gaming.com/forums.shtml FREE forums for your league... http://legends.sports-gaming.com Sim racing website loosely based on gpl... rogue_3d <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o6c3d$lhq$[email hidden]... > Yeah, as someone who hates this game, you are right, and you know what, I > will still play it for that reason, but only as practice, by myself on the > track to learn how to correctly drive a stocker. The rest of the games still > blows! All of it, the damage model, the extra wear factor to get more > damage - but the tires wear out quicker, the god forsaken rolling starts, > the I don't care that there are no cigarette and beer cars in the game > because I'm used to putting them in myself, and personal pet-peeve, but > something I may be wrong on - aren't these tracks too damn narrow, > especially sears point. It doesn't look that narrow on TV, and I've been on > Watkins Glen, and I know that the track appears wider in real life than in > the game. > > "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rQgp5.8541$Q%[email hidden]... > > I usually don't flame but I just can't take it anymore. Some of you people > > are so stupid. You think that the car flips or gets air too much if you > run > > into the wall head on at 180mph. It doesn't make sense. Most NASCAR > drivers > > don't try to commit suicide. Also, if you've ever even played GPL on the > > ovals and then play NH, it defidently feels like GPL with slicks, wide > > tires, and a 3,400 pound car. I mean, the car reacts just as a real car > > would. N3 almost makes you disrespect NASCAR drivers. It's so easy. You > can > > put the pedal straight to floor and the car will stop, and you don't have > to > > worry about loosing it in mid corner with weight transfer or wheels > locking > > up, or just coming in a bit too hot and trailbraking too hard. Also, LFB > in > > NH is necessary on road courses to keep the car stable, does that even > > happen in N3? I just got NH and LOVE it. It has a great feel, great FF, > > great graphics, great AI, great fps, etc. and you whine about a freakin > > paint shop, drug ads, and the cars getting too much air because you can't > > drive. Geez. Anyone who is a good GPL player can drive NH exactly like GPL > > and get good results. The braking, accelerating and feel is so similar to > > GPL it's scary, yet you put it down. I noticed after I play N3 or GP3, it > > takes a couple hours to get back to usual form in GPL, but with NH, I can > > switch back and forth no problem. Actually, NH has thought me how to be > > smoother and now I cut my GPLRank to = with Alison Hine, a 0.45! > > > > Give NH another chance, admit your stupid, or tell us an INTELLIGENT > reason > > why NH is "arcade". > > > > Just my final argument. Tell me, does NH feel like it's pivoting from the > > center or steering from the front wheels? Do the brakes lock up if you > slam > > on them? Does the car spin if you come in too hot or brake too hard while > > trailbraking? Does left foot braking give the front more brake bias to > save > > spins and balance out the suspension? On road courses, can you transfer > the > > weight forward, then do a pendulum turn of some effect? Do the spins feel > > canned? On road courses does the car get hairy under acceleration? At > Sears > > Point, does the weight start to throw the car around at those esses? So > tell > > me, what is "arcadey" other than some information panels while driving? > > > > Sorry, just REALLy had to get that out > > > > Thanks, > > Alex > > > > > > > >