LCD dissapointing for sims

After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum video card to drive it. The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought it specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time, which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling nauseated. I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that warned that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve further, or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. Tim

I bought a Viewsonic VX910 16ms 19" 1280x1024 a couple of months ago and I have never seen any blurring. I'm VERY sensitive to low fps or anything on screen that can make someone nauseous :-p and this monitor has been flawless. Strange that you would be having such a different experience. -- David G Fisher Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KOmYd.2523$[email hidden]... > After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a > Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum > video card to drive it. > > The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought it > specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time, > which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I > understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is > cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling nauseated. > > I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that warned > that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. > > At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve further, > or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. > > Tim > >

Might be worth doing some benchmarks to check that the whole system is running properly. I have a 19" 8ms monitor on a PC with a very lowly video card, I have to run Unreal at 1024*768 to get rid of the blurring. I also have a 19" 12ms monitor on another monster PC and that runs fine at the native 1280*1024. One final comment, there were a while ago some comments that some DVI implementation would not cope with the data transfer rate to get 1600*1200 working properly. If you DVI and VGA try swapping. -- Andi. Remove only one zero to reply "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >I bought a Viewsonic VX910 16ms 19" 1280x1024 a couple of months ago and I > have never seen any blurring. I'm VERY sensitive to low fps or anything on > screen that can make someone nauseous :-p and this monitor has been > flawless. Strange that you would be having such a different experience. > -- > David G Fisher > > > Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KOmYd.2523$[email hidden]... >> After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a >> Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum >> video card to drive it. >> >> The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought > it >> specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time, >> which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I >> understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is >> cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling > nauseated. >> >> I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that > warned >> that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. >> >> At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve >> further, >> or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. >> >> Tim >> >> > >

Agree w. DGF. Maybe TE didn't properly vet the settings (rez, refresh, etc.) I've used a 25ms 19" Dell for sims and FPS for a year. Works gr8 w. driving sims, not so gr8 w. flying sims, and a little worse w. quick-twitch, run-n-gun, shoot-em-ups like UT, Far Cry & BF1942. But fine for racing. Yer LCD is prolly twice as nice as mine. Check yer settings. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I bought a Viewsonic VX910 16ms 19" 1280x1024 a couple of months ago and I > have never seen any blurring. I'm VERY sensitive to low fps or anything on > screen that can make someone nauseous :-p and this monitor has been > flawless. Strange that you would be having such a different experience. > -- > David G Fisher > > > Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KOmYd.2523$[email hidden]... > > After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a > > Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT

platinum > > video card to drive it. > > > > The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but Ibought

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> it > > specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time, > > which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I > > understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is > > cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling > nauseated. > > > > I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that > warned > > that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. > > > > At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve

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> > or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. > > > > Tim > > > > > >

Thanks for your comments. Things have improved significantly. The first thing I did when I plugged the monitor in was drive Richard Burns Rally, then wrote the above message. An hour or so later, I tried again, and it was much better. It seem that I need to give the monitor time to warm up, as it was completely cold when I fired it up and dived (or drived) straight in. I still notice the blurrying when things move quickly (like when I spin!), but the screen is now useable. There is always some slight blurryness when moving, but it is acceptable. Thanks for your feedback. Tim "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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>I bought a Viewsonic VX910 16ms 19" 1280x1024 a couple of months ago and I > have never seen any blurring. I'm VERY sensitive to low fps or anything on > screen that can make someone nauseous :-p and this monitor has been > flawless. Strange that you would be having such a different experience. > -- > David G Fisher > > > Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KOmYd.2523$[email hidden]... >> After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a >> Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum >> video card to drive it. >> >> The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought > it >> specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time, >> which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I >> understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is >> cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling > nauseated. >> >> I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that > warned >> that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. >> >> At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve >> further, >> or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. >> >> Tim >> >> > >

I think a 19 with 12 or 8ms is as much as you want to push at this time... The bigger one's aren't 'there' yet. -Larry "Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KOmYd.2523$[email hidden]...

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> After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a > Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum > video card to drive it. > > The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought > it specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response > time, which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and > I understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is > cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling > nauseated. > > I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that > warned that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. > > At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve further, > or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. > > Tim > >

I've heard the 912B is even better, but no one seems to carry the damned thing. -Larry "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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>I bought a Viewsonic VX910 16ms 19" 1280x1024 a couple of months ago and I > have never seen any blurring. I'm VERY sensitive to low fps or anything on > screen that can make someone nauseous :-p and this monitor has been > flawless. Strange that you would be having such a different experience. > -- > David G Fisher > > > Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KOmYd.2523$[email hidden]... >> After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a >> Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum >> video card to drive it. >> >> The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought > it >> specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time, >> which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I >> understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is >> cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling > nauseated. >> >> I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that > warned >> that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. >> >> At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve >> further, >> or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. >> >> Tim >> >> > >

Tim Epstein wrote: > I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others thatwarned > that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. > > At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improvefurther, > or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. > > Tim Judging by the review over at GamePC, I think you really need to check your settings. They love the thing. http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=vp201b&page=1&cookie%5Ftest=1

I have this monitor and have not encountered what you describe. I run everything at 1600x1200 (native) on a 9700 pro and sims and shooters show no blurring. "Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KOmYd.2523$[email hidden]... > After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a > Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum > video card to drive it. > > The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I boughtit > specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time, > which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I > understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is > cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feelingnauseated. > > I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others thatwarned

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> that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. > > At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve further, > or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. > > Tim > >

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> The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought > it > specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response time, > which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and I > understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is > cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling > nauseated. >

I think you're expecting too much and you just might be very sensitive to blurring. I know I have a Gateway 18" monitor, Flat Panel, and I notice no blurring or anything that makes me feel disappointed with my purchase. And this monitor is nothing big and is in no way top of the line. If you're looking for the perfect monitor, flawless in every way, you might as well expect the Indians to win a World Series, both of which are not likely to happen. :) Alanb

I concur, my 15" LCD (Dell FP151) works GREAT for all games and N2003. No blurring, sharp as hell at 50fps.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:22:20 GMT, "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Agree w. DGF. Maybe TE didn't properly vet the settings (rez, refresh, >etc.) I've used a 25ms 19" Dell for sims and FPS for a year. Works gr8 w. >driving sims, not so gr8 w. flying sims, and a little worse w. quick-twitch, >run-n-gun, shoot-em-ups like UT, Far Cry & BF1942. But fine for racing. >Yer LCD is prolly twice as nice as mine. Check yer settings. > For those of us who are ignorant savages (like moi)-what settings? I run the Dell FP2001 (16 ms refresh) at the native 1600 x 1200 setting, and I get some blurring in turns (as well as in UT99 when rapidly changing my view). With a GeForce 5700FX Ultra that I have I don't know if it is the monitor, the video card, or something else...

I tried a 19" Princeton (24ms) and saw a fair amount of blurring in SCC and noticed some in most other sims. I ended up with a 19" flat CRT for about half the price and am very happy with it-picture size is about 18". But for me cost was a factor and if I was going to get blurring it just wasn't worth it for me-to spend the extra dollars.

"tlgtr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >I tried a 19" Princeton (24ms) and saw a fair amount of blurring in SCC > and noticed some in most other sims. I ended up with a 19" flat CRT > for about half the price and am very happy with it-picture size is > about 18". But for me cost was a factor and if I was going to get > blurring it just wasn't worth it for me-to spend the extra dollars. Yes, 24ms is not real fast. I would imagine you would see blurring. I have a Samsung SyncMaster 710T (17'"; 12ms) that works great for all sims/games. Using it in digital mode, it really has a great picture too.

I tried to find a 19 inch that ran 1600x1200, but no luck. The 20 inch was all I could get.. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9XqYd.61633$7z6.48649@lakeread04...

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>I think a 19 with 12 or 8ms is as much as you want to push at this time... >The bigger one's aren't 'there' yet. > > > -Larry > > "Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KOmYd.2523$[email hidden]... >> After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a >> Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum >> video card to drive it. >> >> The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought >> it specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response >> time, which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, >> and I understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car >> is cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling >> nauseated. >> >> I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that >> warned that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. >> >> At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve >> further, or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. >> >> Tim >> >> > >

"Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KOmYd.2523$[email hidden]...

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> After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a > Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum > video card to drive it. > > The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought > it specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response > time, which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, and > I understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car is > cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling > nauseated. > > I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that > warned that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. > > At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve further, > or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. > > Tim >

Hey, I have 2 Samsung 193P 19" LCDs which are targeted at graphic artists. They have 20ms response time so I was worried that the blurring would be bad, but so far I can barely notice it. I noticed some in Battlefield , but only in high contrast scenes. For example when you look from a dark room at the sky. In GTR I haven't noticed any blurring so far and certainly nothing that would make me feel nauseated. In some cases reponse times specified by manufacurers aren't mutualy compatible. For example some manufacurers specify the response time from grey to white, some from white to black. Your Viewsonic might be more then 20ms. Either that or it could be defective. or it could be one beer too many

Does anyone know if there is a true test program available on the www to test *overall* display latency? I have a feeling this might be different than the numbers quoted by manufacturers. Here's one approach I've heard of, written for custom hardware (won't work on PC's). Command the screen to change from white to black when a joystick button or key is pressed. Then put an oscilloscope on the button/key output and also on a photo diode that looks at the screen. Use the 'scope to measure the *true* time between input and screen response. Some flat panels (LCD's) had up to 7 frames of delay at 60Hz frame rate and the best he found (some time ago) were 3 frames of delay. CRT's are usually 1 frame (assuming a decent graphics card), or 16.66 ms at 60Hz. -- Doug Milliken www.millikenresearch.com On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Tim Epstein wrote:

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> I tried to find a 19 inch that ran 1600x1200, but no luck. The 20 inch was > all I could get.. > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9XqYd.61633$7z6.48649@lakeread04... > >I think a 19 with 12 or 8ms is as much as you want to push at this time... > >The bigger one's aren't 'there' yet. > > > > > > -Larry > > > > "Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:KOmYd.2523$[email hidden]... > >> After much debating about latency, I took the plunge today, and bought a > >> Viewsonic VP201 20 inch LCD monitor (1600x1200) and an ATI 800XT platinum > >> video card to drive it. > >> > >> The screen is just brilliant for photos and other still use, but I bought > >> it specifically for sims. It was a bit let down. It has 16ms response > >> time, which I understand is about as fast as it gets for a big screen, > >> and I understood that this was ok, but it gets very blurry when the car > >> is cornering. It is not only disconcerting, but I'm actually feeling > >> nauseated. > >> > >> I read some great reviews of this screen, and a couple of others that > >> warned that it wasn't fantatic for gaming, but bought it anyway. > >> > >> At least I didn't buy two of them! I'll wait until things improve > >> further, or buy a smaller (faster) LCD for sim racing. > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> > > > > > > > >

I got the Hyundai L90D+ in from Newegg on Wednesday (day ahead of schedule). No dead pixels. No stuck pixels. No sub-pixel issues. Cool :) If you like a bright monitor, you will LOVE this thing. You could guide a lost ship at sea back into port with this thing :) I've only run NR2003 so far but I've noted no smearing or streaking at all. Colors are very bright. I'm using the DVI input (it has both, something not common on these class monitors). If you want to use the Pivot feature you'll have to spring for the Pivot Pro software on your own ($40 download) as it does not come with it. So far I like it. Not bad for $359.00 ! Now, I do have one complaint. The control buttons. Luckily you don't have to use them often because they SUCK! I mean they REALLY suck. They are membrane-type buttons and they are a real pain in the ass, especially because they are on the bottom lip of the monitor bezel. -Larry "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:22:20 GMT, "Steve Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Agree w. DGF. Maybe TE didn't properly vet the settings (rez, refresh, >>etc.) I've used a 25ms 19" Dell for sims and FPS for a year. Works gr8 >>w. >>driving sims, not so gr8 w. flying sims, and a little worse w. >>quick-twitch, >>run-n-gun, shoot-em-ups like UT, Far Cry & BF1942. But fine for racing. >>Yer LCD is prolly twice as nice as mine. Check yer settings. >> > > For those of us who are ignorant savages (like moi)-what settings? > I run the Dell FP2001 (16 ms refresh) at the native 1600 x 1200 > setting, and I get some blurring in turns (as well as in UT99 when > rapidly changing my view). With a GeForce 5700FX Ultra that I > have I don't know if it is the monitor, the video card, or something > else... >

Thanks for sharing, Larry! "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c1E_d.65133$7z6.18611@lakeread04... > I got the Hyundai L90D+ in from Newegg on Wednesday (day ahead ofschedule).

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> > No dead pixels. No stuck pixels. No sub-pixel issues. Cool :) > > If you like a bright monitor, you will LOVE this thing. You could guide a > lost ship at sea back into port with this thing :) > > I've only run NR2003 so far but I've noted no smearing or streaking at

all. > Colors are very bright. > > I'm using the DVI input (it has both, something not common on these class > monitors). > > If you want to use the Pivot feature you'll have to spring for the PivotPro > software on your own ($40 download) as it does not come with it. > > So far I like it. Not bad for $359.00 ! > > Now, I do have one complaint. The control buttons. Luckily you don'thave

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> to use them often because they SUCK! I mean they REALLY suck. They are > membrane-type buttons and they are a real pain in the ass, especially > because they are on the bottom lip of the monitor bezel. > > -Larry > > "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:22:20 GMT, "Steve Smith" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>Agree w. DGF. Maybe TE didn't properly vet the settings (rez, refresh, > >>etc.) I've used a 25ms 19" Dell for sims and FPS for a year. Works gr8 > >>w. > >>driving sims, not so gr8 w. flying sims, and a little worse w. > >>quick-twitch, > >>run-n-gun, shoot-em-ups like UT, Far Cry & BF1942. But fine for racing. > >>Yer LCD is prolly twice as nice as mine. Check yer settings. > >> > > > > For those of us who are ignorant savages (like moi)-what settings? > > I run the Dell FP2001 (16 ms refresh) at the native 1600 x 1200 > > setting, and I get some blurring in turns (as well as in UT99 when > > rapidly changing my view). With a GeForce 5700FX Ultra that I > > have I don't know if it is the monitor, the video card, or something > > else... > > > >

Hey got mine on wednesday too,and it's great,one dead pixel I think(its always blue)nascar 2003 looks great no ghosting no smearing,tried mohuo and it looks great too. Steve Smith wrote:

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> Thanks for sharing, Larry! > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:c1E_d.65133$7z6.18611@lakeread04... > >>I got the Hyundai L90D+ in from Newegg on Wednesday (day ahead of > > schedule). > >>No dead pixels. No stuck pixels. No sub-pixel issues. Cool :) >> >>If you like a bright monitor, you will LOVE this thing. You could guide a >>lost ship at sea back into port with this thing :) >> >>I've only run NR2003 so far but I've noted no smearing or streaking at > > all. > >>Colors are very bright. >> >>I'm using the DVI input (it has both, something not common on these class >>monitors). >> >>If you want to use the Pivot feature you'll have to spring for the Pivot > > Pro > >>software on your own ($40 download) as it does not come with it. >> >>So far I like it. Not bad for $359.00 ! >> >>Now, I do have one complaint. The control buttons. Luckily you don't > > have > >>to use them often because they SUCK! I mean they REALLY suck. They are >>membrane-type buttons and they are a real pain in the ass, especially >>because they are on the bottom lip of the monitor bezel. >> >>-Larry >> >>"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >> >>>On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:22:20 GMT, "Steve Smith" >>><[email hidden]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Agree w. DGF. Maybe TE didn't properly vet the settings (rez, refresh, >>>>etc.) I've used a 25ms 19" Dell for sims and FPS for a year. Works gr8 >>>>w. >>>>driving sims, not so gr8 w. flying sims, and a little worse w. >>>>quick-twitch, >>>>run-n-gun, shoot-em-ups like UT, Far Cry & BF1942. But fine for racing. >>>>Yer LCD is prolly twice as nice as mine. Check yer settings. >>>> >>> >>>For those of us who are ignorant savages (like moi)-what settings? >>>I run the Dell FP2001 (16 ms refresh) at the native 1600 x 1200 >>>setting, and I get some blurring in turns (as well as in UT99 when >>>rapidly changing my view). With a GeForce 5700FX Ultra that I >>>have I don't know if it is the monitor, the video card, or something >>>else... >>> >> >> > >

That's a sub-pixel issue. It may (or may not) go away eventually. It's hard to get a perfect panel. Nearly impossible. It's pure luck when you do. -Larry "jwilson54" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HDK_d.231$fn3.130@attbi_s01...

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> Hey got mine on wednesday too,and it's great,one dead pixel I think(its > always blue)nascar 2003 looks great no ghosting no smearing,tried mohuo > and it looks great too. > > Steve Smith wrote: >> Thanks for sharing, Larry! >> >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:c1E_d.65133$7z6.18611@lakeread04... >> >>>I got the Hyundai L90D+ in from Newegg on Wednesday (day ahead of >> >> schedule). >> >>>No dead pixels. No stuck pixels. No sub-pixel issues. Cool :) >>> >>>If you like a bright monitor, you will LOVE this thing. You could guide >>>a >>>lost ship at sea back into port with this thing :) >>> >>>I've only run NR2003 so far but I've noted no smearing or streaking at >> >> all. >> >>>Colors are very bright. >>> >>>I'm using the DVI input (it has both, something not common on these class >>>monitors). >>> >>>If you want to use the Pivot feature you'll have to spring for the Pivot >> >> Pro >> >>>software on your own ($40 download) as it does not come with it. >>> >>>So far I like it. Not bad for $359.00 ! >>> >>>Now, I do have one complaint. The control buttons. Luckily you don't >> >> have >> >>>to use them often because they SUCK! I mean they REALLY suck. They are >>>membrane-type buttons and they are a real pain in the ass, especially >>>because they are on the bottom lip of the monitor bezel. >>> >>>-Larry >>> >>>"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>>news:[email hidden]... >>> >>>>On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:22:20 GMT, "Steve Smith" >>>><[email hidden]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Agree w. DGF. Maybe TE didn't properly vet the settings (rez, refresh, >>>>>etc.) I've used a 25ms 19" Dell for sims and FPS for a year. Works >>>>>gr8 >>>>>w. >>>>>driving sims, not so gr8 w. flying sims, and a little worse w. >>>>>quick-twitch, >>>>>run-n-gun, shoot-em-ups like UT, Far Cry & BF1942. But fine for >>>>>racing. >>>>>Yer LCD is prolly twice as nice as mine. Check yer settings. >>>>> >>>> >>>>For those of us who are ignorant savages (like moi)-what settings? >>>>I run the Dell FP2001 (16 ms refresh) at the native 1600 x 1200 >>>>setting, and I get some blurring in turns (as well as in UT99 when >>>>rapidly changing my view). With a GeForce 5700FX Ultra that I >>>>have I don't know if it is the monitor, the video card, or something >>>>else... >>>> >>> >>> >>

I bought the Sceptre Naga II 19" and it has a 12ms response time and works great so far on all the sims I've tried it on. Randy