Re: Blatantly Unfinished GP3

I have to agree. It is infested with a multitude of "bugs" that are embarrassing. Personally for me, the genius of Ubisoft is now more then ever clearly forfront. KGH "My first car had 2 carburetors that required OIL...a 1963 MG Midget"

GP3 is basically a work in progress. Hasbro must have pulled GC off it because they reckoned they had enough to beat the competition... There are so many things that are unfinished in the game which are *blatantly* obvious to anyone who plays it for a little time. It looks like a beta version of GP4. They'll now sell us the update in Sept (very quick...) and will offer GP4 early next year. How much more loot they will have made by these tactics. Greed rules. I have mixed feelings about the game itself. Potentially an excellent game but it's flawed. The bugs ruin the game. I was initially very impressed but that has gone. One bug in a game like this utterly ruins a race and consequently ruins the game. I will NOT buy any update. To thwart such grasping practices I suggest that no one else does either.

rrevved wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:32:38 +0100, "KBbps" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The bugs ruin the game. > > Like? Oh brother! Not again! He doesn't like GP3, nor do a lot of poeple, so can we please close the book on it now?....Please???

Exactly revved! What bugs? There has been a good amount of fair criticism leveled at GP3, but bugs? I've seen plenty of glitches and annoyances but as far as I know the game does not have any 'killer race stops in the middle computer locks up on the last lap oh my fucking god kill kill kill the bastards" bugs. I once went on a three day bender and while recovering on the fourth I saw a number of bugs, some quite frightening and one in particular that actually tried to engage me in conversation. Thankfully they were gone the next day. My suggestion is to wait a couple of days and then start spraying. Chris --gimme back my alcohol gimme back my alcohol gimme back my alcohol gimme back my alcohol. On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:45:29 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: >On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:32:38 +0100, "KBbps" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>The bugs ruin the game. > >Like? >

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> GP3 is basically a work in progress. Hasbro must have pulled GC off it > because they reckoned they had enough to beat the competition... There > are so many things that are unfinished in the game which are > *blatantly* obvious to anyone who plays it for a little time. It looks > like a beta version of GP4. They'll now sell us the update in Sept > (very quick...) and will offer GP4 early next year. How much more loot > they will have made by these tactics. Greed rules. > > I have mixed feelings about the game itself. Potentially an excellent > game but it's flawed. The bugs ruin the game. I was initially very > impressed but that has gone. One bug in a game like this utterly ruins > a race and consequently ruins the game. > > I will NOT buy any update. To thwart such grasping practices I suggest > that no one else does either. >

er, would you mind telling us of these bugs? Most of the bug reports I've seen here are false.

Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > rrevved wrote: > > > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:32:38 +0100, "KBbps" <[email hidden]>wrote:

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> > > > >The bugs ruin the game. > > > > Like? > > Oh brother! Not again! He doesn't like GP3, nor do a lot of poeple, so > can we please close the book on it now?....Please???

Not really Gerry, the reason is that GP3 has been put down by a number of people in RAS to the extent that If I hadn't been a fan of GP2 and known about GP3 before it's release I'd be quite turned off by this game right now. That's unfair to Hasbro and especially GC who put a lot of effort into GP3. I'd even go as far as to say that the "feel" for the car in some aspects is far superior to GPL. And i mean that. In GPL you get no feel during a slide and ridiculous feedback. There are many criticisms of GP3 cars not getting damaged "realistically" of course not compared to the zero damage model in GPL. There is never ever visible damage to cars in GPL. The only thing that can be damages is the suspension and that is very unrealistic anyway as you can never see the damage and instead of having sever handling problems or the car dipping to one side, the car just drags to one side. Of course theres the fact that Papy were too lazy to include pit stops, when GP3 are criticised for having non-3d pit crews.... I'm not taking a punch at GPL, but when compared to GP3, GP3 wins hands down in some areas... why must GP3 then be put down? Is it the fear that something might actually better GPL?

er, would you mind telling us of these bugs? Most of the bug reports I've seen here are false. Here's a big one, I can't calibrate my ECCI wheel because it is a four axis unit. GP3 is the only racing game EVER that my wheel won't work with and I have tried them all. SteveP

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... I've seen plenty of glitches and | annoyances but as far as I know the game does not have any 'killer | race stops in the middle computer locks up on the last lap oh my | fucking god kill kill kill the bastards" bugs. I once went on a three | day bender and while recovering on the fourth I saw a number of bugs, | some quite frightening and one in particular that actually tried to | engage me in conversation Have you been reading A Scanner Darkly by Philip K Dick??? -- Cheers, Robin Lord - Trance DJ & Sim Racer. http://www.oppositelock.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends

In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> writes: >Hmm, so would 10 years of racing 125cc gearbox karts count? Oh yes, and >all the enduro 6 hour races I've been doing just lately in my >pro-kart??? 6 hours in a Kart? Whoa... That sounds VERY tiring... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <xHCp5.3302$[email hidden]>, "Steve P" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> er, would you mind telling us of these bugs? > Most of the bug reports I've seen here are false. > > Here's a big one, I can't calibrate my ECCI wheel because it is a >four axis unit. GP3 is the only racing game EVER that my wheel won't work >with and I have tried them all. >

Indy500? <g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> er, would you mind telling us of these bugs? > Most of the bug reports I've seen here are false. He cant tell new things i think. There are enough little errors, but thats almost in every game. Some call these bugs, some not. Just a matter of opinions again. I mean whats the criterium? Thats the main question. Some only judge on the carbehaviour, some judge on the completness of the game. Well nothing you can do about that opinions (for example: i only play F1 2000 cause i like to play that via internet play....... but that doesnt mean GP3 is not good !) After reading a lot of posts, one thing is for sure. I think its pretty objective when i say "GP3 and F1 2000 are the best F1 sims out there at the moment" HJ

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> > Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > rrevved wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:32:38 +0100, "KBbps" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > > > >The bugs ruin the game. > > > > > > Like? > > > > Oh brother! Not again! He doesn't like GP3, nor do a lot of poeple, so > > can we please close the book on it now?....Please??? > > Not really Gerry, the reason is that GP3 has been put down by a number of > people in RAS to the extent that If I hadn't been a fan of GP2 and known > about GP3 before it's release I'd be quite turned off by this game right > now. That's unfair to Hasbro and especially GC who put a lot of effort into > GP3. > I'd even go as far as to say that the "feel" for the car in some aspects is > far superior to GPL. And i mean that. In GPL you get no feel during a slide > and ridiculous feedback. > There are many criticisms of GP3 cars not getting damaged "realistically" > of course not compared to the zero damage model in GPL. There is never ever > visible damage to cars in GPL. The only thing that can be damages is the > suspension and that is very unrealistic anyway as you can never see the > damage and instead of having sever handling problems or the car dipping to > one side, the car just drags to one side. > Of course theres the fact that Papy were too lazy to include pit stops, when > GP3 are criticised for having non-3d pit crews.... > > I'm not taking a punch at GPL, but when compared to GP3, GP3 wins hands down > in some areas... why must GP3 then be put down? Is it the fear that > something might actually better GPL?

Ok, fight for GP3 and GC is you like, but why drag GPL in? Saying... > I'd even go as far as to say that the "feel" for the car in some aspects is > far superior to GPL. And i mean that. In GPL you get no feel during a slide > and ridiculous feedback. ... well it made me laugh anyway ... at you that is. I think I'll print out your reply and frame it. Yep, that's what I'll do, I'll read your post, fire up GP3 and go through T1 at Spa with my foot welded to the floor in 5th. Then I'll pull over and wait for one of the AI to go past, so I can revel in the sound of the other cars engines ... hmmm, do they run on helium? Then I'll carry on round to the pits, taking in a bit of curb here and there, again revelling in the FFB from the rumble strip. On arrival at the pits there will be more revellment as I admire the floating cars. They do run on helium! Oh look, theirs Shumi in his 6 speed Ferrari. Then I'll take the Minardi out for a spin, it's just as fast as the Ferrari you know, even handles the same. I know, how about a R.A.S Grand Prix, come on, 20 of us, over the net ... wait ... no, that won't work :(. Mind you the rain effect is nice; takes a little more than nice rain though :-/.

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> > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:49:00 -0500, "Steve P" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > er, would you mind telling us of these bugs? > > Most of the bug reports I've seen here are false. > > > > Here's a big one, I can't calibrate my ECCI wheel because it is a > >four axis unit. GP3 is the only racing game EVER that my wheel won't work > >with and I have tried them all. > > > > SteveP > > > > Steve, I agree that, for you, it is a biggie. I would feel the same way > if I had the problem. However, in the larger scheme of things, my > guess is that most people have less than 4 axes on their controllers. > I'm not trying to be a smartass, but it's a fact. > > Did you find any other bugs in GP3?

I've found 2: 1. The cars all handle the same, GP3's not loading the right chassis for each mark. 2. No FF from the rumble stip. Or is that a feature? 3. No 7th gear in the ferrari. " " " " " ? 4. Invisible wall to the left of the pit entrance at Silverstone. A real bug :) 5. The AI keep doing strange things. Feature? Oops, make that 5. Seriously, we could argue about what's a bug and what isn't. But to still use the the same old slo-mo code, with all the implications for multiplayer and hot lapping, come on! So GP3 is one of the best modern F1 sims around is it? Pah! give me 1967 any day.

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> GP3 is basically a work in progress. Hasbro must have pulled GC off it > because they reckoned they had enough to beat the competition... There > are so many things that are unfinished in the game which are > *blatantly* obvious to anyone who plays it for a little time. It looks > like a beta version of GP4. They'll now sell us the update in Sept > (very quick...) and will offer GP4 early next year. How much more loot > they will have made by these tactics. Greed rules.

I'm with you all the way except for one small problem. You are just pontificating and not explaining what the problem is. The first clue that you are full of shit is that you claim the game is unfinished. That is total horseshit. GP2 is pretty complete and GP3 (err 2.5) builds on that experience. Bugs??? I don't think so, as all of the "problems" with GP2.5 are design features. -- [email hidden] > I have mixed feelings about the game itself. Potentially an excellent > game but it's flawed. The bugs ruin the game. I was initially very > impressed but that has gone. One bug in a game like this utterly ruins > a race and consequently ruins the game. > > I will NOT buy any update. To thwart such grasping practices I suggest > that no one else does either. > >

"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Oh brother! Not again! He doesn't like GP3, nor do a lot of poeple, so > can we please close the book on it now?....Please??? Nope I don't think so. I like mixing it up every couple of weeks just to keep the GP2.5 apologists on their toes :-) -- [email hidden]

What bugs exactly? -- [email hidden] "KGH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I have to agree. It is infested with a multitude of "bugs" that are > embarrassing. Personally for me, the genius of Ubisoft is now more then ever > clearly forfront. > > KGH > "My first car had 2 carburetors that required OIL...a 1963 MG Midget"

"Steve P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xHCp5.3302$[email hidden]... > er, would you mind telling us of these bugs? > Most of the bug reports I've seen here are false. > > Here's a big one, I can't calibrate my ECCI wheel because it is a > four axis unit. GP3 is the only racing game EVER that my wheel won't work > with and I have tried them all. Are you really this dumb? That is *NOT* a bug. It is a design feature. A bug is if something were designed to work but did not. A good bug would be the lack of the AI on F1 2000 to consistantly stay on the track at specific turns. Like the stadium sections at hockenhiem. -- [email hidden] > SteveP > >

"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Did you find any other bugs in GP3? > > I've found 2: > > 1. The cars all handle the same, GP3's not loading the right chassis for > each mark. Again, this is a design feature not a bug. > 2. No FF from the rumble stip. Or is that a feature? Feature. > 3. No 7th gear in the ferrari. " " " " " ? Feature. All cars are the same once the human drives them. Did the '98 ferrarri have 7 gears? > 4. Invisible wall to the left of the pit entrance at Silverstone. A real > bug :) Ok yes that would be a bug. > 5. The AI keep doing strange things. Feature? Like what? Are they flipping you off when that can't pass? :-) > Oops, make that 5. Seriously, we could argue about what's a bug and what > isn't. But to still use the the same old slo-mo code, with all the > implications for multiplayer and hot lapping, come on! But these are design features from GP2 which have been ported to GP2.5. -- [email hidden] > So GP3 is one of the best modern F1 sims around is it? Pah! give me 1967 > any day.

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> > > er, would you mind telling us of these bugs? > > Most of the bug reports I've seen here are false. > > He cant tell new things i think. There are enough little errors, but thats > almost in every game. Some call these bugs, some not. Just a matter of > opinions again. > I mean whats the criterium? Thats the main question. Some only judge on

the If something is disigned to work but doesen't it is a bug. Slo-Mo is not a but because the game is built around this core technology apparently. > carbehaviour, some judge on the completness of the game. Well nothing you > can do about that opinions (for example: i only play F1 2000 cause i liketo > play that via internet play....... but that doesnt mean GP3 is not good !) I have to give this a try... Do you go to a web site or something to setup races? -- [email hidden] > After reading a lot of posts, one thing is for sure. I think its pretty > objective when i say "GP3 and F1 2000 are the best F1 sims out there at the > moment" > > HJ > >

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> > "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Oh brother! Not again! He doesn't like GP3, nor do a lot of poeple, so > > can we please close the book on it now?....Please??? > > Nope I don't think so. I like mixing it up every couple of weeks > just to keep the GP2.5 apologists on their toes :-) > > -- > > [email hidden]

Hehe, joke time then. Q. How many GP3 fans does it take to.... Go on Greg, you know you want to ;0) Cheers Gerry

> I have to give this a try... Do you go to a web site or something to setup > races? Greg, i first raced OF1R (arcade-ish) races on www.mplayer.com There are now some guys who bought F1 2000 and meet each other there. After that they are racing by TCP/IP (so no gameserver). I have to admit that not all the time, the online part is working well. EA didnt built it for this (actually they were surprised it even works). Anyway, my experience is when you are with people from the same country then most of the times it works well. I always race a guy from the same country and we never have probs. We also use Roger Wilco to speak during the race, VERY COOL (like "move over you ....., i am faster, heheh") Try it once HJ

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> > > 9Wright7 wrote: > > > > Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > rrevved wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:32:38 +0100, "KBbps" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >The bugs ruin the game. > > > > > > > > Like? > > > > > > Oh brother! Not again! He doesn't like GP3, nor do a lot of poeple, so > > > can we please close the book on it now?....Please??? > > > > Not really Gerry, the reason is that GP3 has been put down by a number

of > > people in RAS to the extent that If I hadn't been a fan of GP2 and known > > about GP3 before it's release I'd be quite turned off by this game right > > now. That's unfair to Hasbro and especially GC who put a lot of effortinto > > GP3. > > I'd even go as far as to say that the "feel" for the car in some aspectsis > > far superior to GPL. And i mean that. In GPL you get no feel during aslide > > and ridiculous feedback. > > There are many criticisms of GP3 cars not getting damaged"realistically" > > of course not compared to the zero damage model in GPL. There is neverever > > visible damage to cars in GPL. The only thing that can be damages is the > > suspension and that is very unrealistic anyway as you can never see the > > damage and instead of having sever handling problems or the car dippingto > > one side, the car just drags to one side. > > Of course theres the fact that Papy were too lazy to include pit stops,when > > GP3 are criticised for having non-3d pit crews.... > > > > I'm not taking a punch at GPL, but when compared to GP3, GP3 wins handsdown > > in some areas... why must GP3 then be put down? Is it the fear that > > something might actually better GPL? > > Ok, fight for GP3 and GC is you like, but why drag GPL in? Saying... > > > I'd even go as far as to say that the "feel" for the car in some aspectsis > > far superior to GPL. And i mean that. In GPL you get no feel during aslide

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> > and ridiculous feedback. > > ... well it made me laugh anyway ... at you that is. I think I'll print > out your reply and frame it. Yep, that's what I'll do, I'll read your > post, fire up GP3 and go through T1 at Spa with my foot welded to the > floor in 5th. Then I'll pull over and wait for one of the AI to go past, > so I can revel in the sound of the other cars engines ... hmmm, do they > run on helium? > > Then I'll carry on round to the pits, taking in a bit of curb here and > there, again revelling in the FFB from the rumble strip. On arrival at > the pits there will be more revellment as I admire the floating cars. > They do run on helium! Oh look, theirs Shumi in his 6 speed Ferrari. > Then I'll take the Minardi out for a spin, it's just as fast as the > Ferrari you know, even handles the same. > > I know, how about a R.A.S Grand Prix, come on, 20 of us, over the net > ... wait ... no, that won't work :(. > > Mind you the rain effect is nice; takes a little more than nice rain > though :-/.

Listen.... try this... In dry weather an modern day F1 car is not going to drift through Eau Rouge, so..... Take a few trips through there in your lotus.... next, Take a few trips through there in the rain in GP3.... which one lets you feel the slide more? GP3 by far? The FF effects in GP3 give you a true representation of the sideways action of a car. GPL just drags the wheel to one side. This tells you what the car is doing but it is not how a car should feel. Heck, judging by the response I don't think you've had too much involvement in actual motorsport, even go along to an outdoor kart track and turn but thing sideways in a corner.... then you'll see..

9Wright7 wrote: > Heck, judging by the response I don't think you've had too much involvement > in actual motorsport, even go along to an outdoor kart track and turn but > thing sideways in a corner.... then you'll see.. Hmm, so would 10 years of racing 125cc gearbox karts count? Oh yes, and all the enduro 6 hour races I've been doing just lately in my pro-kart??? If you think GP3 gives a better feeling fo being there than GPL, then you should go back to slot car racing, or whatever real world racing it is you do/did. What have you done BTW? I'll try spa in the wet now, let you know what i think. Cheers

Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > 9Wright7 wrote: > > > Heck, judging by the response I don't think you've had too muchinvolvement > > in actual motorsport, even go along to an outdoor kart track and turnbut

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> > thing sideways in a corner.... then you'll see.. > > Hmm, so would 10 years of racing 125cc gearbox karts count? Oh yes, and > all the enduro 6 hour races I've been doing just lately in my > pro-kart??? > > If you think GP3 gives a better feeling fo being there than GPL, then > you should go back to slot car racing, or whatever real world racing it > is you do/did. What have you done BTW? > > I'll try spa in the wet now, let you know what i think. > > Cheers

I suggest you do. I really do think that in the wet conditions and with the FF you feel the wheel go light and it drifts sideways... GPL is done well but you just don't get the "feel" for the slide. You get *a* fell, just not *the* feel. Oh and I've got a Pro-kart of my own thanks with some experience in other classes.

Um. If it's a beta of GP4 then this place will erupt like a flaming volcano, I expect a lot more from GP4, I love GP3, but if 4 is just tracks/cars then... naaaa.... -- Tim, [email hidden]|[email hidden] http://legends.sports-gaming.com/forums.shtml FREE forums for your league... http://legends.sports-gaming.com Sim racing website loosely based on gpl... KBbps <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o6hml$1fj$[email hidden]... > GP3 is basically a work in progress. Hasbro must have pulled GC off it > because they reckoned they had enough to beat the competition... There > are so many things that are unfinished in the game which are > *blatantly* obvious to anyone who plays it for a little time. It looks > like a beta version of GP4. They'll now sell us the update in Sept > (very quick...) and will offer GP4 early next year. How much more loot > they will have made by these tactics. Greed rules. > > I have mixed feelings about the game itself. Potentially an excellent > game but it's flawed. The bugs ruin the game. I was initially very > impressed but that has gone. One bug in a game like this utterly ruins > a race and consequently ruins the game. > > I will NOT buy any update. To thwart such grasping practices I suggest > that no one else does either. > >

ymenard wrote: > > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote > > A bug is if something were designed to work but did not. > > The pathetic thing about the controller issue is that GP2 supported more > axis and joystick possibilities than GP2.5. No, pathetic is that they didn't test the controller setup with NEW hardware, e.g. the MSFF. You can setup two simple joysticks using split axis, that's at least what I read a couple of times. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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>EldredP wrote: > >> 6 hours in a Kart? Whoa... That sounds VERY tiring... > >Hi Eldred > >Of course there are were two of us and we took it in turn ;)). >It was very tiring, and as we move up to 12 hours and the 24! >Phew, I feel knacked already <G>

How many drivers on the team for 12 and 24 hours? I wouldn't even know how to get INTO kart racing... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote > A bug is if something were designed to work but did not. The pathetic thing about the controller issue is that GP2 supported more axis and joystick possibilities than GP2.5. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

EldredP wrote: > 6 hours in a Kart? Whoa... That sounds VERY tiring... Hi Eldred Of course there are were two of us and we took it in turn ;)). It was very tiring, and as we move up to 12 hours and the 24! Phew, I feel knacked already <G> Cheers

9Wright7 wrote: > Oh and I've got a Pro-kart of my own thanks with some experience in other > classes. Other classes of what? As you know, the reality of turning the wheel in a kart, with the very heavy centering force, does not equate to what we feel in games. Subtle FFB is there to help replace the lack of seat_of_the_pants FB we get in real racing. The FFB in games has to FEEL right, or be roughly what you'd expect to feel. For me, while GPL's FF may not be realistic to the highest degree, it does talk to me in a language I can understand. The FF in GP3 doesn't have to tell you as much as the FF in GPL. There's more stuff going on in GPL after all. For me, there's just something missing from GP3. I'm not at one with the car if you see what I mean. I'm only really interested in racing for points against other people, so for me, GP3 is only a hot lap toy. Next time you roll you kart out, think about how the steering feels, then think about driving a sim with steering that feels like that! Cheers P.S are you in the UK?

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> > classes. > > Other classes of what? > > As you know, the reality of turning the wheel in a kart, with the very > heavy centering force, does not equate to what we feel in games. Subtle > FFB is there to help replace the lack of seat_of_the_pants FB we get in > real racing. > > The FFB in games has to FEEL right, or be roughly what you'd expect to > feel. For me, while GPL's FF may not be realistic to the highest degree, > it does talk to me in a language I can understand. > > The FF in GP3 doesn't have to tell you as much as the FF in GPL. There's > more stuff going on in GPL after all. For me, there's just something > missing from GP3. I'm not at one with the car if you see what I mean. > > I'm only really interested in racing for points against other people, so > for me, GP3 is only a hot lap toy. > > Next time you roll you kart out, think about how the steering feels, > then think about driving a sim with steering that feels like that! >

Erm, well looks like I've probably gone the wrong way about making my point (again....hehe) I don't really mean that GPL is bad. What I mean is that you can often be sliding the car and don't even know it, just small slides I mean, but you often can "feel" it.... I kinda think the although the FF in GPL helps hell you how the car is reacting or where it is going it doesn't give the true feel of a 1967 F1 cars steering wheel during the slide but I may be wrong. What I like about GP3 is how the cars slide in the wet, the FF doesn't tell you where he car is going very forcefully but the wheels goes light as if the wheels have lost traction and are sliding across the surface of the track. That's what I like. GPL and GP3 simulate the "sliding" effect very differently from each other, GPL give you a better feel for where the car is going yet I kinda think GP3 shows how the car actually feels in a slide. Then again, one is simulated on a wet surface while the other is just slippy due to hard tyres, no downforce...etc.. Even when sliding in dry weather the cars tend to grip the road again easier then when sliding in the wet.

EldredP wrote: > How many drivers on the team for 12 and 24 hours? I wouldn't even know how >to get INTO kart racing... For 12 hours, I wouldn't want less than 3. You could get away with 3 in a 24 hour too, as long as you had some helpers. Cheers Gerry

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> In article <xHCp5.3302$[email hidden]>, "Steve P" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > er, would you mind telling us of these bugs? > > Most of the bug reports I've seen here are false. > > > > Here's a big one, I can't calibrate my ECCI wheel because it is a > >four axis unit. GP3 is the only racing game EVER that my wheel won't work > >with and I have tried them all. > > > > Indy500? > <g> >

What about "virtual racing" on the Sega Mega? :-)

Steve P wrote:

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> > er, would you mind telling us of these bugs? > Most of the bug reports I've seen here are false. > > Here's a big one, I can't calibrate my ECCI wheel because it is a > four axis unit. GP3 is the only racing game EVER that my wheel won't work > with and I have tried them all. > > SteveP

Did you try declaring your wheel under Windows as a pair (two controllers) 2-axis, 2-button joysticks? That's how GP3 sees the joysticks, and works with many (but not all) wheels. -Gregor