Re: My take on Nascar Heat

In article <8o6avt$fa8$[email hidden]>, "rogue_3d" <[email hidden]> wrote: > This my take on NH > > Hasbro in my opinion has no right to be in gaming. They are simply in > it for the bucks. They buy gaming companies, force them to change > their plans, (ie; > buying ea/janes and killing every, and I mean MGI developed NASCAR Heat -- Hasbro does NOT own MGI, to the best of my knowledge.

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> For example, I have to think that the VERY noticable pull to the > left on strightaways is the result of a very good but unstable car > physics model. Programer, "Yeah, we got the car to handle like the > real thing in the turns, but straightaways and bumping and colliding > aren't exactly where it should be." Publisher, "Forget about it, we > can't spend anymore money on it, and the fans will be happy that it > feels correct in the turns."

Your ignorance and stupidity are showing -- REAL stock cars DO pull to the left on the straightaways, so NASCAR Heat is perfectly realistic in this respect. > Other examples; > > Rolling starts - anyone ever qualify on the pole and keep first, or > second, or fifth going into turn one. I haven't and I have tried > everything including the controllers overshoot adjustment. Keep trying -- it's do-able. Plus, the game is nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be. You sound like a NASCAR fan who's only played N3, not a sim fan who's played things like GPL -- is this the case, by chance, or am I wrongfully judging you? If so, I apologize in advance, but I think YOU are wrongfully judging NASCAR Head, and, in the process, doing others a grave disservice. This is a GREAT sim AND a GREAT game -- and THAT is a rare combination indeed. -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:38:26 -0400, "rogue_3d" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Tracks - yes the tracks are gorgeous, but don't they seem a bit >too narrow. I have never driven a real race car, but I have taken rides >around, walked on, and seen these tracks => Daytona, Char... oops Lowes, >Watkins Glen, and various local short tracks, and I think the perspective in >the game is wrong. The tracks are just way too small. Agreed. Some tracks are WAY to narrow. The flat tracks seem the worst to me. Maybe it's just the perspective difference from N3 to Heat.

This my take on NH Hasbro in my opinion has no right to be in gaming. They are simply in it for the bucks. They buy gaming companies, force them to change their plans, (ie; buying ea/janes and killing every, and I mean every flight sim they had planned, just because they aren't selling that much right now. But I regress, because this is another post in itself.). Nascar Heat I think is a flawed game that was A: It was rushed out too soon to beat the GPL-game engined NASCAR 4 game that every one wants, because no one know when it will come out, and if it came out before NASCAR HEAT, no one would have bought NH. B: So, In doing so, they included things in the game that aren't functioning properly, but they advertise it so that we go running out because it has what we want in a Nascar game. For example, I have to think that the VERY noticable pull to the left on strightaways is the result of a very good but unstable car physics model. Programer, "Yeah, we got the car to handle like the real thing in the turns, but straightaways and bumping and colliding aren't exactly where it should be." Publisher, "Forget about it, we can't spend anymore money on it, and the fans will be happy that it feels correct in the turns." Other examples; Rolling starts - anyone ever qualify on the pole and keep first, or second, or fifth going into turn one. I haven't and I have tried everything including the controllers overshoot adjustment. Damage model - what's up with this, come on!!! You almost want to push cars out of the way because, well, because you can pretty much can do this without any penalties. Yes, I do have Vertex damage on and hardcore mode on, but I highly doubt that what you see has any effect on performance. It all depends on the amount of Aero damage. Paint kit - I want other cars, damnit!!! Tracks - yes the tracks are gorgeous, but don't they seem a bit too narrow. I have never driven a real race car, but I have taken rides around, walked on, and seen these tracks => Daytona, Char... oops Lowes, Watkins Glen, and various local short tracks, and I think the perspective in the game is wrong. The tracks are just way too small. C: So this game includes some fun features like Beat the Heat, and stuff, but seriously, this is about all that is good about the game. They probably knew they weren't going to deliver a good product and decided upon an alternate method of "Bells and Whistles" to make people like the game. And before you argue, think about it. Would you like this game if those things weren't included??? Come on, admit it... D. Advertised to all hell! And remember, anybody will say anything or work on anything for the right amount. Just because they say Bobby Labonte consulted on the game, and he may say he did, and just because you see other names attached to it doesn't mean squat. MONEY TALKS!!! Yes, this was a flame from a very disappointed NASCAR sim fan, who now has to wait till Feb to drive N4. If you want a copy of NH, mine should be up on E-Bay soon, as I just don't believe in returning games that I don't like to the store. Though I think I should since this crap is from Hasbro. And yes I can take it too, so flame away.

On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:38:26 -0400, "rogue_3d" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>This my take on NH > >Hasbro in my opinion has no right to be in gaming. They are simply in it for >the bucks. They buy gaming companies, force them to change their plans, (ie; >buying ea/janes and killing every, and I mean every flight sim they had >planned, just because they aren't selling that much right now. But I >regress, because this is another post in itself.). > >Nascar Heat I think is a flawed game that was > >A: It was rushed out too soon to beat the GPL-game engined NASCAR 4 game >that every one wants, because no one know when it will come out, and if it >came out before NASCAR HEAT, no one would have bought NH. > >B: So, In doing so, they included things in the game that aren't functioning >properly, but they advertise it so that we go running out because it has >what we want in a Nascar game. > > For example, I have to think that the VERY noticable pull to the left on >strightaways is the result of a very good but unstable car physics model. >Programer, "Yeah, we got the car to handle like the real thing in the turns, >but straightaways and bumping and colliding aren't exactly where it should >be." Publisher, "Forget about it, we can't spend anymore money on it, and >the fans will be happy that it feels correct in the turns." > > Other examples; > > Rolling starts - anyone ever qualify on the pole and keep first, >or second, or fifth going into turn one. I haven't and I have tried >everything including the controllers overshoot adjustment. > > Damage model - what's up with this, come on!!! You almost want >to push cars out of the way because, well, because you can pretty much can >do this without any penalties. Yes, I do have Vertex damage on and hardcore >mode on, but I highly doubt that what you see has any effect on performance. >It all depends on the amount of Aero damage. > > Paint kit - I want other cars, damnit!!! > > Tracks - yes the tracks are gorgeous, but don't they seem a bit >too narrow. I have never driven a real race car, but I have taken rides >around, walked on, and seen these tracks => Daytona, Char... oops Lowes, >Watkins Glen, and various local short tracks, and I think the perspective in >the game is wrong. The tracks are just way too small. > >C: So this game includes some fun features like Beat the Heat, and stuff, >but seriously, this is about all that is good about the game. They probably >knew they weren't going to deliver a good product and decided upon an >alternate method of "Bells and Whistles" to make people like the game. And >before you argue, think about it. Would you like this game if those things >weren't included??? Come on, admit it... > >D. Advertised to all hell! And remember, anybody will say anything or work >on anything for the right amount. Just because they say Bobby Labonte >consulted on the game, and he may say he did, and just because you see other >names attached to it doesn't mean squat. MONEY TALKS!!! > >Yes, this was a flame from a very disappointed NASCAR sim fan, who now has >to wait till Feb to drive N4. If you want a copy of NH, mine should be up on >E-Bay soon, as I just don't believe in returning games that I don't like to >the store. Though I think I should since this crap is from Hasbro. > >And yes I can take it too, so flame away. > >

my 6 year old was devistated when his hasbro PORTIONS of Small Soldier's game wouldn't work right under windows 98 after 2 weeks. it took a reload of 98 for it to work. I thought they sucked then, thanx for confirming it... i can wait for N4. I'll let you know (from my 9 year old) when they screw up the harry potter games.

What really bugs me about the way this thing drives on the straights, is it seems very dicey... It jumps around and it next to impossible to keep in a straight line. I can not figure out if it is my setup, or what. I did not have a problem in N3 with the dicey handling, not that I want to start comparing the N3 game to this NH game. Just want it to be easier to hold in a straight line. Any Ideas. Also, What the hell must I do to get a yellow flag. I wrecked 4 or 5 cars on purpose and no yellow. I ate the wall in T3 at Dega, no yellow... Another irritation I have found. I ran into anothe car coming out of T4 at Dega, spun around hit the inside wall, and landed on my lid... slid through pit road and got a black flag for speeding.... Now that is simply unacceptable..... Other than that, it is a fun game... should give me hours of fun ad excitment.

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> > >rogue_3d wrote: > >> For example, I have to think that the VERY noticable pull to the left on >> strightaways is the result of a very good but unstable car physics model. >> Programer, "Yeah, we got the car to handle like the real thing in the turns, >> but straightaways and bumping and colliding aren't exactly where it should >> be." Publisher, "Forget about it, we can't spend anymore money on it, and >> the fans will be happy that it feels correct in the turns." > >Don't real Nascars pull on the straights?

rogue_3d <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o6avt$fa8$[email hidden]... > This my take on NH > > Hasbro in my opinion has no right to be in gaming. They are simply in itfor > the bucks. They buy gaming companies, force them to change their plans,(ie;

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> buying ea/janes and killing every, and I mean every flight sim they had > planned, just because they aren't selling that much right now. But I > regress, because this is another post in itself.). > > Nascar Heat I think is a flawed game that was > > A: It was rushed out too soon to beat the GPL-game engined NASCAR 4 game > that every one wants, because no one know when it will come out, and if it > came out before NASCAR HEAT, no one would have bought NH. > > B: So, In doing so, they included things in the game that aren't

functioning > properly, but they advertise it so that we go running out because it has > what we want in a Nascar game. > > For example, I have to think that the VERY noticable pull to the lefton > strightaways is the result of a very good but unstable car physics model. > Programer, "Yeah, we got the car to handle like the real thing in theturns,

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> but straightaways and bumping and colliding aren't exactly where it should > be." Publisher, "Forget about it, we can't spend anymore money on it, and > the fans will be happy that it feels correct in the turns." > > Other examples; > > Rolling starts - anyone ever qualify on the pole and keep

first, > or second, or fifth going into turn one. I haven't and I have tried > everything including the controllers overshoot adjustment. > > Damage model - what's up with this, come on!!! You almost want > to push cars out of the way because, well, because you can pretty much can > do this without any penalties. Yes, I do have Vertex damage on andhardcore > mode on, but I highly doubt that what you see has any effect onperformance. > It all depends on the amount of Aero damage. > > Paint kit - I want other cars, damnit!!! > > Tracks - yes the tracks are gorgeous, but don't they seem abit > too narrow. I have never driven a real race car, but I have taken rides > around, walked on, and seen these tracks => Daytona, Char... oops Lowes, > Watkins Glen, and various local short tracks, and I think the perspectivein > the game is wrong. The tracks are just way too small. > > C: So this game includes some fun features like Beat the Heat, and stuff, > but seriously, this is about all that is good about the game. Theyprobably

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> knew they weren't going to deliver a good product and decided upon an > alternate method of "Bells and Whistles" to make people like the game. And > before you argue, think about it. Would you like this game if those things > weren't included??? Come on, admit it... > > D. Advertised to all hell! And remember, anybody will say anything or work > on anything for the right amount. Just because they say Bobby Labonte > consulted on the game, and he may say he did, and just because you see

other > names attached to it doesn't mean squat. MONEY TALKS!!! > > Yes, this was a flame from a very disappointed NASCAR sim fan, who now has > to wait till Feb to drive N4. If you want a copy of NH, mine should be upon > E-Bay soon, as I just don't believe in returning games that I don't liketo > the store. Though I think I should since this crap is from Hasbro. > > And yes I can take it too, so flame away. > Erm, I'm not usually someone to defend NH but that bit abotuthe cars dragging to the left... Its when the car doesnt' drag to the left is when you know the game isn't realistic. It seems very strong in NH but nevertheless it should be there.

> Hasbro in my opinion has no right to be in gaming. They are simply in itfor > the bucks. Ya, Papy is in for a hobby. Get real !

rogue_3d wrote: > For example, I have to think that the VERY noticable pull to the left on > strightaways is the result of a very good but unstable car physics model. > Programer, "Yeah, we got the car to handle like the real thing in the turns, > but straightaways and bumping and colliding aren't exactly where it should > be." Publisher, "Forget about it, we can't spend anymore money on it, and > the fans will be happy that it feels correct in the turns." Don't real Nascars pull on the straights?

If you drive a short track oval car, and you let go of the steering wheel, it will abruptly turn left. When you go down the straights, you need to put very steady right pressure on the wheel to go straight. Letting go of the pressure leads the car into the next turn. This is the product of a good setup and good modeling of the car physics, NOT a mistake. MM rogue_3d wrote:

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> This my take on NH > > Hasbro in my opinion has no right to be in gaming. They are simply in it for > the bucks. They buy gaming companies, force them to change their plans, (ie; > buying ea/janes and killing every, and I mean every flight sim they had > planned, just because they aren't selling that much right now. But I > regress, because this is another post in itself.). > > Nascar Heat I think is a flawed game that was > > A: It was rushed out too soon to beat the GPL-game engined NASCAR 4 game > that every one wants, because no one know when it will come out, and if it > came out before NASCAR HEAT, no one would have bought NH. > > B: So, In doing so, they included things in the game that aren't functioning > properly, but they advertise it so that we go running out because it has > what we want in a Nascar game. > > For example, I have to think that the VERY noticable pull to the left on > strightaways is the result of a very good but unstable car physics model. > Programer, "Yeah, we got the car to handle like the real thing in the turns, > but straightaways and bumping and colliding aren't exactly where it should > be." Publisher, "Forget about it, we can't spend anymore money on it, and > the fans will be happy that it feels correct in the turns." > > Other examples; > > Rolling starts - anyone ever qualify on the pole and keep first, > or second, or fifth going into turn one. I haven't and I have tried > everything including the controllers overshoot adjustment. > > Damage model - what's up with this, come on!!! You almost want > to push cars out of the way because, well, because you can pretty much can > do this without any penalties. Yes, I do have Vertex damage on and hardcore > mode on, but I highly doubt that what you see has any effect on performance. > It all depends on the amount of Aero damage. > > Paint kit - I want other cars, damnit!!! > > Tracks - yes the tracks are gorgeous, but don't they seem a bit > too narrow. I have never driven a real race car, but I have taken rides > around, walked on, and seen these tracks => Daytona, Char... oops Lowes, > Watkins Glen, and various local short tracks, and I think the perspective in > the game is wrong. The tracks are just way too small. > > C: So this game includes some fun features like Beat the Heat, and stuff, > but seriously, this is about all that is good about the game. They probably > knew they weren't going to deliver a good product and decided upon an > alternate method of "Bells and Whistles" to make people like the game. And > before you argue, think about it. Would you like this game if those things > weren't included??? Come on, admit it... > > D. Advertised to all hell! And remember, anybody will say anything or work > on anything for the right amount. Just because they say Bobby Labonte > consulted on the game, and he may say he did, and just because you see other > names attached to it doesn't mean squat. MONEY TALKS!!! > > Yes, this was a flame from a very disappointed NASCAR sim fan, who now has > to wait till Feb to drive N4. If you want a copy of NH, mine should be up on > E-Bay soon, as I just don't believe in returning games that I don't like to > the store. Though I think I should since this crap is from Hasbro. > > And yes I can take it too, so flame away.

On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:44:45 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: >In NH, they are supposedly derived from 1/4" resolution Soviet >satellite photos. Everyone knows the Capitalists' tracks are pitifully narrow compared to the mighty Soviet Union's wide ones!

I thought Tony Stewart said "wider is better" On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:55:56 +0300, Toni Lassila <[email hidden]> wrote: >On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:44:45 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: >>In NH, they are supposedly derived from 1/4" resolution Soviet >>satellite photos. > >Everyone knows the Capitalists' tracks are pitifully narrow compared to the >mighty Soviet Union's wide ones!

> >>I thought Tony Stewart said "wider is better" >> > >I thought that was Pam Anderson.. > Whoa that is crude.... To use your previous post, I just blew my Root Beer all over my office....

On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:41:57 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip>

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>Driving an 800hp car, in traffic, going 175 mph, on a stiff >suspension, is not a walk in the park, even in a straight line. > >That's why the FF settings are important. But even with the >better FF settings, etc., I am constantly correcting the car, >even on a straight, just like I did when I raced in real-life. > >(God, I love this sim) > >Back to Watkins Glen!! >

Thanks, now I'm going to go pick this game up after work and not go to the gym and not go out and meet hot babes and have wild encounters about which I will write letters to the editors of magazines aimed at "adult" audiences. I've already forgone numerous such encounters to play GPL, N3, NFS, yada yada. I hope this Nascar Heat thing is good--maybe in the next version they can include the groupies :-) Chris --lock 'n load...lock.....n.....load!

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> Keep trying -- it's do-able. Plus, the game is nowhere near as bad as > you make it out to be. You sound like a NASCAR fan who's only played > N3, not a sim fan who's played things like GPL -- is this the case, by > chance, or am I wrongfully judging you? If so, I apologize in advance, > but I think YOU are wrongfully judging NASCAR Head, and, in the > process, doing others a grave disservice. This is a GREAT sim AND a > GREAT game -- and THAT is a rare combination indeed.

Well, lots of people think you're doing the same to GP3... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

ah ha -- Tim, [email hidden]|[email hidden] http://legends.sports-gaming.com/forums.shtml FREE forums for your league... http://legends.sports-gaming.com Sim racing website loosely based on gpl... rogue_3d <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o6avt$fa8$[email hidden]... > This my take on NH > > Hasbro in my opinion has no right to be in gaming. They are simply in it for > the bucks. They buy gaming companies, force them to change their plans, (ie; > buying ea/janes and killing every, and I mean every flight sim they had > planned, just because they aren't selling that much right now. But I > regress, because this is another post in itself.). > > Nascar Heat I think is a flawed game that was > > A: It was rushed out too soon to beat the GPL-game engined NASCAR 4 game > that every one wants, because no one know when it will come out, and if it > came out before NASCAR HEAT, no one would have bought NH. > > B: So, In doing so, they included things in the game that aren't functioning > properly, but they advertise it so that we go running out because it has > what we want in a Nascar game. > > For example, I have to think that the VERY noticable pull to the left on > strightaways is the result of a very good but unstable car physics model. > Programer, "Yeah, we got the car to handle like the real thing in the turns, > but straightaways and bumping and colliding aren't exactly where it should > be." Publisher, "Forget about it, we can't spend anymore money on it, and > the fans will be happy that it feels correct in the turns." > > Other examples; > > Rolling starts - anyone ever qualify on the pole and keep first, > or second, or fifth going into turn one. I haven't and I have tried > everything including the controllers overshoot adjustment. > > Damage model - what's up with this, come on!!! You almost want > to push cars out of the way because, well, because you can pretty much can > do this without any penalties. Yes, I do have Vertex damage on and hardcore > mode on, but I highly doubt that what you see has any effect on performance. > It all depends on the amount of Aero damage. > > Paint kit - I want other cars, damnit!!! > > Tracks - yes the tracks are gorgeous, but don't they seem a bit > too narrow. I have never driven a real race car, but I have taken rides > around, walked on, and seen these tracks => Daytona, Char... oops Lowes, > Watkins Glen, and various local short tracks, and I think the perspective in > the game is wrong. The tracks are just way too small. > > C: So this game includes some fun features like Beat the Heat, and stuff, > but seriously, this is about all that is good about the game. They probably > knew they weren't going to deliver a good product and decided upon an > alternate method of "Bells and Whistles" to make people like the game. And > before you argue, think about it. Would you like this game if those things > weren't included??? Come on, admit it... > > D. Advertised to all hell! And remember, anybody will say anything or work > on anything for the right amount. Just because they say Bobby Labonte > consulted on the game, and he may say he did, and just because you see other > names attached to it doesn't mean squat. MONEY TALKS!!! > > Yes, this was a flame from a very disappointed NASCAR sim fan, who now has > to wait till Feb to drive N4. If you want a copy of NH, mine should be up on > E-Bay soon, as I just don't believe in returning games that I don't like to > the store. Though I think I should since this crap is from Hasbro. > > And yes I can take it too, so flame away. > > >

Nope it was Tony Stewert rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:16:22 GMT, Red 86 Vet<[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >I thought Tony Stewart said "wider is better" > > > > I thought that was Pam Anderson.. > > >On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:55:56 +0300, Toni Lassila > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:44:45 -0500, rrevved

<[email hidden]> wrote: > >>>In NH, they are supposedly derived from 1/4" resolution Soviet > >>>satellite photos. > >> > >>Everyone knows the Capitalists' tracks are pitifully narrow compared tothe > >>mighty Soviet Union's wide ones! >

Nope I spelled it right, Tony "Stewart" spells it wrong, too many knocks to the head. rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:35:04 -0700, "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Nope it was Tony Stewert > > > > Stewart. > > >rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:16:22 GMT, Red 86 Vet > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >I thought Tony Stewart said "wider is better" > >> > > >> > >> I thought that was Pam Anderson.. > >> > >> >On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:55:56 +0300, Toni Lassila > >> ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > > >> >>On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:44:45 -0500, rrevved > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >>>In NH, they are supposedly derived from 1/4" resolution Soviet > >> >>>satellite photos. > >> >> > >> >>Everyone knows the Capitalists' tracks are pitifully narrow compared

to > >the > >> >>mighty Soviet Union's wide ones! > >> > > >

>I thought Tony Stewart said "wider is better" That was bobby Lobonte. :-) Remember? >I thought that was Pam Anderson LOL ------------------------------------ Webmaster Of Sim World 2000 Crashes and great shots Link - http://www.stas.net/simworld2000/ Proud member of RacingSims.com

On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:21:35 +0200, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>[email hidden] wrote: >> >snip >> Keep trying -- it's do-able. Plus, the game is nowhere near as bad as >> you make it out to be. You sound like a NASCAR fan who's only played >> N3, not a sim fan who's played things like GPL -- is this the case, by >> chance, or am I wrongfully judging you? If so, I apologize in advance, >> but I think YOU are wrongfully judging NASCAR Head, and, in the >> process, doing others a grave disservice. This is a GREAT sim AND a >> GREAT game -- and THAT is a rare combination indeed. > >Well, lots of people think you're doing the same to GP3...

How do you know that 'lots of people' think so? You held a quick poll or something? Andre

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> > Andre Warringa wrote: > > > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:21:35 +0200, Ronald Stoehr > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >snip > > > > > >Well, lots of people think you're doing the same to GP3... > > > > How do you know that 'lots of people' think so? > > You held a quick poll or something? > > Maybe he's been hanging out with ymenard too much, with his > all-encompassing "we's". ;-)

Hmm, is that a compliment, or an insult? I'm not sure... ;) Lots of people like GPL (probably only true on ras) Lots of people like NH Lots of people like GP3 Lots of people hate CPR And I didn't even do a poll! I'm a psychic, dammit! -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Andre Warringa wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:21:35 +0200, Ronald Stoehrsnip > > > >Well, lots of people think you're doing the same to GP3... > > How do you know that 'lots of people' think so? > You held a quick poll or something? I forgot you only read the GPL posts. Are you really that dense, or just trying to be funny? It's quite easy to GUESS that a few readers on ras are disappointed with GP3, but that lots of readers are very satisfied with it. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

In article <8o6avt$fa8$[email hidden]>, "rogue_3d" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>C: So this game includes some fun features like Beat the Heat, and stuff, >but seriously, this is about all that is good about the game. They probably >knew they weren't going to deliver a good product and decided upon an >alternate method of "Bells and Whistles" to make people like the game. And >before you argue, think about it. Would you like this game if those things >weren't included??? Come on, admit it... >

I tried them in the demo. I bought the retail today. I've run 2 short races at Watkins, 2 short(10 lap) races ar Bristol, and 2 50 lap races at Bristol. No, I haven't run BTH in the retail, and I think the game's ok... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Andre Warringa wrote:

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> > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:21:35 +0200, Ronald Stoehr > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >[email hidden] wrote: > >> > >snip > >> Keep trying -- it's do-able. Plus, the game is nowhere near as bad as > >> you make it out to be. You sound like a NASCAR fan who's only played > >> N3, not a sim fan who's played things like GPL -- is this the case, by > >> chance, or am I wrongfully judging you? If so, I apologize in advance, > >> but I think YOU are wrongfully judging NASCAR Head, and, in the > >> process, doing others a grave disservice. This is a GREAT sim AND a > >> GREAT game -- and THAT is a rare combination indeed. > > > >Well, lots of people think you're doing the same to GP3... > > How do you know that 'lots of people' think so? > You held a quick poll or something?

Maybe he's been hanging out with ymenard too much, with his all-encompassing "we's". ;-) -- Chuck Kandler Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

Oh, no.... they're in it for the money too. Just like that deal where you could only get the new NCTS add-on for N3 in that bundle pack for like $40 some dollars. Which I didn't buy, so don't go accusing me of being a papy-lover. Just for the record my favorite two racing games are Viper racing, and I don't know why but I love it so much Dirt Track Racing. I guess the winning money, and upgrading your car, and paying for the damage part just hooked me... "JJ Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o6hi1$b3b$[email hidden]...

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> > Hasbro in my opinion has no right to be in gaming. They are simply in it > for > > the bucks. > > Ya, Papy is in for a hobby. Get real ! > >

OK, so I take that point back then, because like I said in my post I have never, ever driven a race car. Any set-up suggestions you may have then for my controller. I am using an Act Labs RS Force, and it is too jerky when I try to keep the wheel just a bit to the right to keep the car straight down the straights... "Mark Mooney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If you drive a short track oval car, and you let go of the steeringwheel, it > will abruptly turn left. > When you go down the straights, you need to put very steady right pressureon > the wheel to go straight. Letting go of the pressure leads the car intothe next > turn. This is the product of a good setup and good modeling of the carphysics,

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> NOT a mistake. > > MM > > rogue_3d wrote: > > > This my take on NH > > > > Hasbro in my opinion has no right to be in gaming. They are simply in it

for > > the bucks. They buy gaming companies, force them to change their plans,(ie;

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> > buying ea/janes and killing every, and I mean every flight sim they had > > planned, just because they aren't selling that much right now. But I > > regress, because this is another post in itself.). > > > > Nascar Heat I think is a flawed game that was > > > > A: It was rushed out too soon to beat the GPL-game engined NASCAR 4 game > > that every one wants, because no one know when it will come out, and if

it > > came out before NASCAR HEAT, no one would have bought NH. > > > > B: So, In doing so, they included things in the game that aren'tfunctioning > > properly, but they advertise it so that we go running out because it has > > what we want in a Nascar game. > > > > For example, I have to think that the VERY noticable pull to theleft on > > strightaways is the result of a very good but unstable car physicsmodel. > > Programer, "Yeah, we got the car to handle like the real thing in theturns, > > but straightaways and bumping and colliding aren't exactly where itshould > > be." Publisher, "Forget about it, we can't spend anymore money on it,and > > the fans will be happy that it feels correct in the turns." > > > > Other examples; > > > > Rolling starts - anyone ever qualify on the pole and keepfirst, > > or second, or fifth going into turn one. I haven't and I have tried > > everything including the controllers overshoot adjustment. > > > > Damage model - what's up with this, come on!!! You almostwant > > to push cars out of the way because, well, because you can pretty muchcan > > do this without any penalties. Yes, I do have Vertex damage on andhardcore > > mode on, but I highly doubt that what you see has any effect onperformance. > > It all depends on the amount of Aero damage. > > > > Paint kit - I want other cars, damnit!!! > > > > Tracks - yes the tracks are gorgeous, but don't they seem abit > > too narrow. I have never driven a real race car, but I have taken rides > > around, walked on, and seen these tracks => Daytona, Char... oops Lowes, > > Watkins Glen, and various local short tracks, and I think theperspective in > > the game is wrong. The tracks are just way too small. > > > > C: So this game includes some fun features like Beat the Heat, andstuff, > > but seriously, this is about all that is good about the game. Theyprobably > > knew they weren't going to deliver a good product and decided upon an > > alternate method of "Bells and Whistles" to make people like the game.And > > before you argue, think about it. Would you like this game if thosethings > > weren't included??? Come on, admit it... > > > > D. Advertised to all hell! And remember, anybody will say anything orwork > > on anything for the right amount. Just because they say Bobby Labonte > > consulted on the game, and he may say he did, and just because you seeother > > names attached to it doesn't mean squat. MONEY TALKS!!! > > > > Yes, this was a flame from a very disappointed NASCAR sim fan, who nowhas > > to wait till Feb to drive N4. If you want a copy of NH, mine should beup on > > E-Bay soon, as I just don't believe in returning games that I don't liketo > > the store. Though I think I should since this crap is from Hasbro. > > > > And yes I can take it too, so flame away. >

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:43:25 +0200, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:21:35 +0200, Ronald Stoehr >snip >> > >> >Well, lots of people think you're doing the same to GP3... >> >> How do you know that 'lots of people' think so? >> You held a quick poll or something? > >I forgot you only read the GPL posts. Are you really that dense, >or just trying to be funny? > >It's quite easy to GUESS that a few readers on ras are disappointed >with GP3, but that lots of readers are very satisfied with it.

That's not what you wrote. Andre