Would I like GP3?

Since I've decided that Heat just isn't for me, it's going back to the store Monday. Should I pick up GP3 in exchange? I never ever played GP2, so I have no idea what it will be like. The last couple years I have mostly been racing Nascar 2, 3, and GPL and enjoyed them all. I did buy an F1 sim made by Ubisoft (forget it's name) a couple years ago and actually kinda liked it, I liked the different feel of the F1 car compared to Nascars. I never really got into the F1 sim though, it was around the time that TEN was in it's prime and I mostly raced N2, I think I eventually traded in the Ubisoft F1 sim for some other game. I'm also not very familiar with how F1 rules work, and how to tweak the car as well as a Nascar. As a newbie to the Crammond F1 games, is GP3 an enjoyable experience? I'm not greatly concerned with graphics, although I don't want *bad* graphics. I would like more of a sim experience, even if that gives it a steep learning curve.....I'm definately not looking for an arcade racer. I'm more concerned with realism, fun factor, customizability (graphic settings, race settings, etc), a believable physics and damage model. I'm NOT looking for N-Heat's damage model LOL.

Oh one more thing, and this may sound dumb, but I love huge descriptive game manuals. =) Long live the F4 binder manual hehe. "Terry Connors" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pUXp5.57962$[email hidden]... > Since I've decided that Heat just isn't for me, it's going back to thestore > Monday. Should I pick up GP3 in exchange? I never ever played GP2, so I > have no idea what it will be like. The last couple years I have mostlybeen > racing Nascar 2, 3, and GPL and enjoyed them all. I did buy an F1 simmade > by Ubisoft (forget it's name) a couple years ago and actually kinda liked > it, I liked the different feel of the F1 car compared to Nascars. I never > really got into the F1 sim though, it was around the time that TEN was in > it's prime and I mostly raced N2, I think I eventually traded in theUbisoft > F1 sim for some other game. I'm also not very familiar with how F1 rules > work, and how to tweak the car as well as a Nascar. As a newbie to the > Crammond F1 games, is GP3 an enjoyable experience? I'm not greatly > concerned with graphics, although I don't want *bad* graphics. I wouldlike > more of a sim experience, even if that gives it a steep learning > curve.....I'm definately not looking for an arcade racer. I'm more > concerned with realism, fun factor, customizability (graphic settings,race > settings, etc), a believable physics and damage model. I'm NOT lookingfor > N-Heat's damage model LOL. > >

You didn't like NH? Oh well... Well anyways, GP3 is okay. The graphics are pretty bad, they look like average graphics from early 98 (like the season they have in the game). They're very grainy, but the colors are nice. The driving model is pretty good. Feels similar to GP2, but it still isn't bad. It has a fun twitchy feeling like an F1 car. It's enjoyable, but if your that picky that you don't like NH, you won't like GP3 :) The pit crews are 2d sprite thingies and they like overlap the cars and stuff, really hard to find your pit, then the textures kinda jitter, it's just as hard to damage the car in GP3 as it is in NH, and the physics in NH are a bit better IMO. I would personally just get both. GP3 is VERY subjective. Some people like it, some don't, but it's about a 50/50 split. Thanks, Alex Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:11:24 GMT, "Terry Connors" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Oh one more thing, and this may sound dumb, but I love huge descriptivegame

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> >manuals. =) > > > >Long live the F4 binder manual hehe. > > You will surely love the GP3 manual :) > I think you should check old posts about GP3 at www.deja.com/usenet , > opinions about GP3 vary slightly to say the least. > I absolutely like it and bought it, it was in one way a big letdown > because it wasn't the improvement of GP2 which we all hoped for, but > it's imho the most fun F1 sim out there. F1 2000 has imho a much > better driving model, but you'll need a very fast PC to run F1 2000 > with a full AI field. > > Andre

On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:54:13 GMT, "Terry Connors" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I'm NOT looking for >N-Heat's damage model LOL. GP3 has a crappy damage model too. You can smack a wall and sustain no damage. But, there is a damage editor available so you should be able to fix that problem using the editor. If you never played GP2 then GP3 will be completely new sim to you so yes I think you will like it. -- Nos

On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:11:24 GMT, "Terry Connors" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Oh one more thing, and this may sound dumb, but I love huge descriptive game >manuals. =) > >Long live the F4 binder manual hehe. You will surely love the GP3 manual :) I think you should check old posts about GP3 at www.deja.com/usenet , opinions about GP3 vary slightly to say the least. I absolutely like it and bought it, it was in one way a big letdown because it wasn't the improvement of GP2 which we all hoped for, but it's imho the most fun F1 sim out there. F1 2000 has imho a much better driving model, but you'll need a very fast PC to run F1 2000 with a full AI field. Andre

Thanks for your input, I decided not to wait to Monday and went over to EB to exchange Nascar Heat for it tonight. =) It's installing right now. On a side note, the EB guy said something to the effect of "What's with all these copies of nascar heat being returned?" He said it to the other EB flunky as I was picking GP3 off the shelf. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:54:13 GMT, "Terry Connors" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >I'm NOT looking for > >N-Heat's damage model LOL. > > GP3 has a crappy damage model too. You can smack a wall and sustain no > damage. But, there is a damage editor available so you should be able > to fix that problem using the editor. If you never played GP2 then GP3 > will be completely new sim to you so yes I think you will like it. > -- > Nos

What video card/monitor do you have? GP3 looks wonderful on my machine. To me, the graphics are it's greatest plus. -- Todd S "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AXYp5.15185$[email hidden]... > You didn't like NH? Oh well... > > Well anyways, GP3 is okay. The graphics are pretty bad, they look like > average graphics from early 98 (like the season they have in the game). > They're very grainy, but the colors are nice. The driving model is pretty > good. Feels similar to GP2, but it still isn't bad. It has a fun twitchy > feeling like an F1 car. It's enjoyable, but if your that picky that you > don't like NH, you won't like GP3 :) The pit crews are 2d sprite thingies > and they like overlap the cars and stuff, really hard to find your pit, then > the textures kinda jitter, it's just as hard to damage the car in GP3 as it > is in NH, and the physics in NH are a bit better IMO. I would personally > just get both. GP3 is VERY subjective. Some people like it, some don't, but > it's about a 50/50 split. > > Thanks, > Alex > Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:11:24 GMT, "Terry Connors" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Oh one more thing, and this may sound dumb, but I love huge descriptive > game > > >manuals. =) > > > > > >Long live the F4 binder manual hehe. > > > > You will surely love the GP3 manual :) > > I think you should check old posts about GP3 at www.deja.com/usenet , > > opinions about GP3 vary slightly to say the least. > > I absolutely like it and bought it, it was in one way a big letdown > > because it wasn't the improvement of GP2 which we all hoped for, but > > it's imho the most fun F1 sim out there. F1 2000 has imho a much > > better driving model, but you'll need a very fast PC to run F1 2000 > > with a full AI field. > > > > Andre >

Ya know, only been racing GP3 for a little bit now but it looks very, very solid. Graphics are very good, not all wishy-washy and blended like some of the newer games, they actually look.....uh.....lifelike. I'm not sure why so many people are saying bad things about GP3, it seems like a solid sim so far. Again, I don't have alot of knowledge or background on F1 racing so maybe I can't nit-pick about little details that it's missing. And I also have never ever played GP2 so I can't complain that it's too similar/too different or whatever. I can just say, as GP3 being my first F1 sim I've purchased in awhile, I am very impressed by it. <shrug> It seems to be one of the more solid racing simulations that I've ever raced. I can comment a little more after I've played it for a few days, but just from first glance I have no idea where these people are coming from that are comparing GP3 to Atari's Pole Position. I'm starting to think that the people in this group are a little too nit-picky. =) "Terry Connors" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Xj_p5.58010$[email hidden]... > Thanks for your input, I decided not to wait to Monday and went overto > EB to exchange Nascar Heat for it tonight. =) It's installing right now. > On a side note, the EB guy said something to the effect of "What'swith

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> all these copies of nascar heat being returned?" He said it to the other > EB flunky as I was picking GP3 off the shelf. > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:54:13 GMT, "Terry Connors" > > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > > > >I'm NOT looking for > > >N-Heat's damage model LOL. > > > > GP3 has a crappy damage model too. You can smack a wall and sustain no > > damage. But, there is a damage editor available so you should be able > > to fix that problem using the editor. If you never played GP2 then GP3 > > will be completely new sim to you so yes I think you will like it. > > -- > > Nos > >

< F1 2000 has imho a much < better driving model, but you'll need a very fast PC to run F1 2000 < with a full AI field. Andre- So does F12000 run as well as GPL? If i run GPL fine will F12K be fine? Do you reccomend it? I like GP3 but the physics could be better. I love GPL. Rik

"Terry Connors" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Xj_p5.58010$[email hidden]... > Thanks for your input, I decided not to wait to Monday and went overto > EB to exchange Nascar Heat for it tonight. =) It's installing right now. > On a side note, the EB guy said something to the effect of "What'swith > all these copies of nascar heat being returned?" He said it to the other > EB flunky as I was picking GP3 off the shelf. It is because of these low paid "flunkies" that EB has a "no questions asked" return policy, be nice! G-Loc

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> > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:54:13 GMT, "Terry Connors" > > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > > > >I'm NOT looking for > > >N-Heat's damage model LOL. > > > > GP3 has a crappy damage model too. You can smack a wall and sustain no > > damage. But, there is a damage editor available so you should be able > > to fix that problem using the editor. If you never played GP2 then GP3 > > will be completely new sim to you so yes I think you will like it. > > -- > > Nos > >

wow. Is it worth picking up just for hotlapping then? Thanks- rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:56:31 GMT, "rik anthrax" <[email hidden]>wrote:

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> > >So does F12000 run as well as GPL? If i run GPL fine will F12K be fine? > > It takes a MUCH more powerful system to run F1-2000 than GPL. > I can run full-fields in GPL. With F1-2000 I am lucky to run 8 or > 10 opponents smoothly. > > PIII-600 / 256mb / Voodoo5-5500. >

F12K is DEFINITELY worth picking up for hotlapping. I have an AMD K6-2 400 system with 64 MB of RAM and a 16 MB Voodoo Banshee card, and I can get 20+ fps consistently (which isn't bad, considering that GP3 only give you 24 fps max at best). I had to turn off pit lane objects, smoke, and particle effects, plus all objects in the mirrors (you can run with cars only, but I mainly hotlap in practice mode, so the mirrors are just eye candy) -- after doing all of this, though, the game becomes VERY playable (like I said, 20+ fps), even at a 1024 x 768 screen resolution on my "wimpy" system, so I'm sick and tired of all these guys with PIII 600 systems or better who say that F12K is unplayable. With graphic details cut back like this, I am able to run quick races with a full field of opponents -- the key is to run the latest patch (1.09, I think), AND make sure that you use the "formation lap" (or is it "parade lap?") option. This forces you to watch a slow, boring one- lap circuit of the track, but all the textures load during this period, which makes for MUCH smoother starts. All in all, F12K is no more taxing now that GP2 was when it first came out (remember how much you had to cut back on detail with that on a 386 or low-end 486 system? Yet we all raved . . .). Just my $0.02 in defence of F12K -- hope this helps. -- JB In article <Xl0q5.20085$[email hidden]>, "rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote: > wow. > Is it worth picking up just for hotlapping then? > Thanks- > rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:56:31 GMT, "rik anthrax"<[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > >So does F12000 run as well as GPL? If i run GPL fine will F12K befine?

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> > > > It takes a MUCH more powerful system to run F1-2000 than GPL. > > I can run full-fields in GPL. With F1-2000 I am lucky to run 8 or > > 10 opponents smoothly. > > > > PIII-600 / 256mb / Voodoo5-5500. > > > >

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rik anthrax wrote: > > wow. > Is it worth picking up just for hotlapping then? Yep. -- Chuck Kandler Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:40:07 GMT, "Terry Connors" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > Thanks for your input, I decided not to wait to Monday and went over to >EB to exchange Nascar Heat for it tonight. =) It's installing right now. > On a side note, the EB guy said something to the effect of "What's with >all these copies of nascar heat being returned?" He said it to the other >EB flunky as I was picking GP3 off the shelf. Oh well. I quite like NH myself. -- Nos

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> > Ya know, only been racing GP3 for a little bit now but it looks very, very > solid. Graphics are very good, not all wishy-washy and blended like some of > the newer games, they actually look.....uh.....lifelike. I'm not sure why > so many people are saying bad things about GP3, it seems like a solid sim so > far. Again, I don't have alot of knowledge or background on F1 racing so > maybe I can't nit-pick about little details that it's missing. And I also > have never ever played GP2 so I can't complain that it's too similar/too > different or whatever. I can just say, as GP3 being my first F1 sim I've > purchased in awhile, I am very impressed by it. <shrug> It seems to be one > of the more solid racing simulations that I've ever raced. I can comment a > little more after I've played it for a few days, but just from first glance > I have no idea where these people are coming from that are comparing GP3 to > Atari's Pole Position. I'm starting to think that the people in this group > are a little too nit-picky. =) >

Exactly. It's only that people expected even more from it than what they got. I played GP2 to no end and GP3 is much more than just a facelift (did you already try any wet driving?). Graphics are exactly that, lifelike, as the texture filtering is only used where needed, not in all places. Only the best of graphics artists in sim industry seem to know that texture filtering is not always desirable to make things look lifelike (check Falcon 4.0 or Longbow 2 flight sims, for example), and GP3 sticks to that philosophy. Have lots of fun racing! -Gregor