Re: Heat and GP3 ?

If you love GPL, Don, then you might want to consider picking up EA's F1 2000 instead of GP3. With all the patches and upgrades, F12K is right up there with GPL and NH in terms of realism, IMO. I'm not much of a F1 fan myself, but I LOVE turning laps in F12K. In my opinion, if you just want to turn laps and you're not really interested in simulating races and entire seasons, then GP3 would be a waste for you. GP3 does a great job of simulating the overall F1 "experience," but F12K does a better job of simulating the F1 DRIVING experience, IMO. -- JB In article <3pTp5.6216$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Ok, I know I will want to pick up Nascar Heat, simply because I loveNascar > sims and was somewhat impressed with the demo. Now that Ed has statedthere > will be a patch, I will probably pick it up over the next few days. > Now, GP3 I am not so sure of. I liked GP2 ok back when it came out,didn't > spend as much time on it as I did N1 and N2, but did enjoy what timeI did > spend with it. I liked ICR2 as well. GPL I love, have had it since itwas > released, just don't get to spend as much time with it due to my busy > shedule and Nascar online racing. I do thoroughly enjoy loading up atrack > and spending an hour or two getting proficient at it and settingpersonal > bests. > Now, my debate is should I get GP3? I have seen many conflictingreports > here, and am dissappointed with some things I have been hearing, howit is > so much like GP2, which is quite a dated physics model. Would GP3 beworth

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> it to me? I would probably really enjoy it if there was enough of a > difference between it and GP2, but am undecided at this point. > > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn in N3 and Legends > ICQ# 74084566 > >

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Don, Glad to help! The best source I've found for F12K patches is the Blackhole Motorsports site (http://www.bhmotorsports.com/). The 1.09 patch is what you need (it makes a big difference, IMO), and they also have some excellent setups there as well. FYI, I've got an AMD K6-2 400 system with 64 MB of RAM and a 16 MB Voodoo Banshee card, and I'm getting solid 20+ fps frame rates. You definitely want to turn off pitlane objects, turn off smoke and particles, and turn off (or at the very least reduce) the details in the mirrors. All of that should make the game smooth even on your current Celeron system, I would imagine. Also FWIW, the BHMS site has a very nice modified cockpit for F12K that gives it more of a GP2/GP3 type look (you don't look "over" the nose quite so much with this view). Look around their downloads section to find this if you're interested -- it not only looks better (IMO), but this new view also clips a bit of the mirrors off, which enhances the frame rate further. Hope all this helps a bit! -- JB In article <JBUp5.6280$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Thanks JB, actually I already have F12k, and like it fairly well, only > problem I have with it right now is it is such a graphics hog.However, I am > running a Celeron 300a at 464 mhz, but have a 566 celeron on the waythat > should be here Monday, which I plan on running at 850 mhz on my AbitBH6. > That might make the F12k experience a lot better for me, and based onyour > comments below, I am convinced I should hold off GP3 and revisit F12kwhen > my chip gets here. > Btw, are all the patches and upgrades that I would need availablefrom EA's > sight, or are they third party add ons? I got the sim right after ithit the

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> shelves, and have not patched it in any way. > > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn in N3 and Legends > ICQ# 74084566 > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o93c0

$4fm$[email hidden]... > > If you love GPL, Don, then you might want to consider picking upEA's > > F1 2000 instead of GP3. With all the patches and upgrades, F12K is > > right up there with GPL and NH in terms of realism, IMO. I'm notmuch > > of a F1 fan myself, but I LOVE turning laps in F12K. In myopinion, if > > you just want to turn laps and you're not really interested in > > simulating races and entire seasons, then GP3 would be a waste for > > you. GP3 does a great job of simulating the overallF1 "experience," > > but F12K does a better job of simulating the F1 DRIVING experience,IMO. > > > > -- JB > > > > In article <3pTp5.6216$[email hidden]>, > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Ok, I know I will want to pick up Nascar Heat, simply because Ilove > > Nascar > > > sims and was somewhat impressed with the demo. Now that Ed hasstated > > there > > > will be a patch, I will probably pick it up over the next fewdays. > > > Now, GP3 I am not so sure of. I liked GP2 ok back when it cameout, > > didn't > > > spend as much time on it as I did N1 and N2, but did enjoy whattime > > I did > > > spend with it. I liked ICR2 as well. GPL I love, have had itsince it > > was > > > released, just don't get to spend as much time with it due to mybusy > > > shedule and Nascar online racing. I do thoroughly enjoy loadingup a

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> > track > > > and spending an hour or two getting proficient at it and setting > > personal > > > bests. > > > Now, my debate is should I get GP3? I have seen many conflicting > > reports > > > here, and am dissappointed with some things I have been hearing,

how > > it is > > > so much like GP2, which is quite a dated physics model. Would GP3be > > worth > > > it to me? I would probably really enjoy it if there was enough ofa

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> > > difference between it and GP2, but am undecided at this point. > > > > > > -- > > > Don Burnette > > > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > > ICQ# 74084566 > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

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In article <G6Up5.6271$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> writes: >The bulk of my sim racing time is online in league play with N3, and I don't >see than changing anytime soon, at least until N4 is out. I'll probaby run >Heat limited offline for a change of pace, while still concentrating on >league play with N3 until we get N4. I just gotta decide I guess if GP3 will >be worth the money to me for the limited time I would play it. > So do what I'm doing. Wait for the price to drop. Then it will be less money, and you won't feel bad if N4 takes most of your time... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +51.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ok, I know I will want to pick up Nascar Heat, simply because I love Nascar sims and was somewhat impressed with the demo. Now that Ed has stated there will be a patch, I will probably pick it up over the next few days. Now, GP3 I am not so sure of. I liked GP2 ok back when it came out, didn't spend as much time on it as I did N1 and N2, but did enjoy what time I did spend with it. I liked ICR2 as well. GPL I love, have had it since it was released, just don't get to spend as much time with it due to my busy shedule and Nascar online racing. I do thoroughly enjoy loading up a track and spending an hour or two getting proficient at it and setting personal bests. Now, my debate is should I get GP3? I have seen many conflicting reports here, and am dissappointed with some things I have been hearing, how it is so much like GP2, which is quite a dated physics model. Would GP3 be worth it to me? I would probably really enjoy it if there was enough of a difference between it and GP2, but am undecided at this point. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566

Don, I am in the same quandary. I have limited time to spend with simming and GPL takes up most of that time. I liked what I saw of the NH demo (a good marriage between NFS:PU & N3). My thinking sees more lasting enjoyment out of NH (hopefully some decent online racing can be had from it vs. GP3). My fears are that once the "newness" wears off of a polished GP2, GP3 will just sit and gather dust. Where the good things I saw in the NH demo should have me coming back for visits more often as I need a change of pace from GPL (love the battles on the short tracks and road courses). Hopefully NH will tide me over till N4 comes along which will fill the hardcore void till we all get to taste the West Bros. WCS. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

The bulk of my sim racing time is online in league play with N3, and I don't see than changing anytime soon, at least until N4 is out. I'll probaby run Heat limited offline for a change of pace, while still concentrating on league play with N3 until we get N4. I just gotta decide I guess if GP3 will be worth the money to me for the limited time I would play it. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "Michael E. Carver" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RWTp5.29982$[email hidden]... > Don, I am in the same quandary. I have limited time to spend with > simming and GPL takes up most of that time. I liked what I saw of the > NH demo (a good marriage between NFS:PU & N3). My thinking sees more > lasting enjoyment out of NH (hopefully some decent online racing can be > had from it vs. GP3). My fears are that once the "newness" wears off of > a polished GP2, GP3 will just sit and gather dust. Where the good things > I saw in the NH demo should have me coming back for visits more often as > I need a change of pace from GPL (love the battles on the short tracks > and road courses). Hopefully NH will tide me over till N4 comes along > which will fill the hardcore void till we all get to taste the West > Bros. WCS. > > -- > **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* > Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. > [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Thanks JB, actually I already have F12k, and like it fairly well, only problem I have with it right now is it is such a graphics hog. However, I am running a Celeron 300a at 464 mhz, but have a 566 celeron on the way that should be here Monday, which I plan on running at 850 mhz on my Abit BH6. That might make the F12k experience a lot better for me, and based on your comments below, I am convinced I should hold off GP3 and revisit F12k when my chip gets here. Btw, are all the patches and upgrades that I would need available from EA's sight, or are they third party add ons? I got the sim right after it hit the shelves, and have not patched it in any way. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o93c0$4fm$[email hidden]... > If you love GPL, Don, then you might want to consider picking up EA's > F1 2000 instead of GP3. With all the patches and upgrades, F12K is > right up there with GPL and NH in terms of realism, IMO. I'm not much > of a F1 fan myself, but I LOVE turning laps in F12K. In my opinion, if > you just want to turn laps and you're not really interested in > simulating races and entire seasons, then GP3 would be a waste for > you. GP3 does a great job of simulating the overall F1 "experience," > but F12K does a better job of simulating the F1 DRIVING experience, IMO. > > -- JB > > In article <3pTp5.6216$[email hidden]>, > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Ok, I know I will want to pick up Nascar Heat, simply because I love > Nascar > > sims and was somewhat impressed with the demo. Now that Ed has stated > there > > will be a patch, I will probably pick it up over the next few days. > > Now, GP3 I am not so sure of. I liked GP2 ok back when it came out, > didn't > > spend as much time on it as I did N1 and N2, but did enjoy what time > I did > > spend with it. I liked ICR2 as well. GPL I love, have had it since it > was > > released, just don't get to spend as much time with it due to my busy > > shedule and Nascar online racing. I do thoroughly enjoy loading up a > track > > and spending an hour or two getting proficient at it and setting > personal > > bests. > > Now, my debate is should I get GP3? I have seen many conflicting > reports > > here, and am dissappointed with some things I have been hearing, how > it is > > so much like GP2, which is quite a dated physics model. Would GP3 be > worth > > it to me? I would probably really enjoy it if there was enough of a > > difference between it and GP2, but am undecided at this point. > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > ICQ# 74084566 > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Great, thanks for the info! -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o9fr2$hos$[email hidden]... > Don, > > Glad to help! The best source I've found for F12K patches is the > Blackhole Motorsports site (http://www.bhmotorsports.com/). The 1.09 > patch is what you need (it makes a big difference, IMO), and they also > have some excellent setups there as well. FYI, I've got an AMD K6-2 > 400 system with 64 MB of RAM and a 16 MB Voodoo Banshee card, and I'm > getting solid 20+ fps frame rates. You definitely want to turn off > pitlane objects, turn off smoke and particles, and turn off (or at the > very least reduce) the details in the mirrors. All of that should make > the game smooth even on your current Celeron system, I would imagine. > > Also FWIW, the BHMS site has a very nice modified cockpit for F12K that > gives it more of a GP2/GP3 type look (you don't look "over" the nose > quite so much with this view). Look around their downloads section to > find this if you're interested -- it not only looks better (IMO), but > this new view also clips a bit of the mirrors off, which enhances the > frame rate further. > > Hope all this helps a bit! > > -- JB > > In article <JBUp5.6280$[email hidden]>, > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Thanks JB, actually I already have F12k, and like it fairly well, only > > problem I have with it right now is it is such a graphics hog. > However, I am > > running a Celeron 300a at 464 mhz, but have a 566 celeron on the way > that > > should be here Monday, which I plan on running at 850 mhz on my Abit > BH6. > > That might make the F12k experience a lot better for me, and based on > your > > comments below, I am convinced I should hold off GP3 and revisit F12k > when > > my chip gets here. > > Btw, are all the patches and upgrades that I would need available > from EA's > > sight, or are they third party add ons? I got the sim right after it > hit the > > shelves, and have not patched it in any way. > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > ICQ# 74084566 > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o93c0 > $4fm$[email hidden]... > > > If you love GPL, Don, then you might want to consider picking up > EA's > > > F1 2000 instead of GP3. With all the patches and upgrades, F12K is > > > right up there with GPL and NH in terms of realism, IMO. I'm not > much > > > of a F1 fan myself, but I LOVE turning laps in F12K. In my > opinion, if > > > you just want to turn laps and you're not really interested in > > > simulating races and entire seasons, then GP3 would be a waste for > > > you. GP3 does a great job of simulating the overall > F1 "experience," > > > but F12K does a better job of simulating the F1 DRIVING experience, > IMO. > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > In article <3pTp5.6216$[email hidden]>, > > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > Ok, I know I will want to pick up Nascar Heat, simply because I > love > > > Nascar > > > > sims and was somewhat impressed with the demo. Now that Ed has > stated > > > there > > > > will be a patch, I will probably pick it up over the next few > days. > > > > Now, GP3 I am not so sure of. I liked GP2 ok back when it came > out, > > > didn't > > > > spend as much time on it as I did N1 and N2, but did enjoy what > time > > > I did > > > > spend with it. I liked ICR2 as well. GPL I love, have had it > since it > > > was > > > > released, just don't get to spend as much time with it due to my > busy > > > > shedule and Nascar online racing. I do thoroughly enjoy loading > up a > > > track > > > > and spending an hour or two getting proficient at it and setting > > > personal > > > > bests. > > > > Now, my debate is should I get GP3? I have seen many conflicting > > > reports > > > > here, and am dissappointed with some things I have been hearing, > how > > > it is > > > > so much like GP2, which is quite a dated physics model. Would GP3 > be > > > worth > > > > it to me? I would probably really enjoy it if there was enough of > a > > > > difference between it and GP2, but am undecided at this point. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Don Burnette > > > > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > > > ICQ# 74084566 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Don, I picked up GP3 tonight and have been having a blast so far. I'm no expert on F1 racing or anything, but it just seems to race like a very solid game. Like you, I've been basically racing online N2/N3 races, and some occasional GPL hotlaps. So far, I'm glad I decided to get GP3....i'll comment more after playing it a little more. But just wanted to let you know, in my opinion GP3 seems much better then what some people have been saying about it. "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:n%Zp5.6411$[email hidden]...

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> Great, thanks for the info! > > -- > Don Burnette > Dburn in N3 and Legends > ICQ# 74084566 > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o9fr2$hos$[email hidden]... > > Don, > > > > Glad to help! The best source I've found for F12K patches is the > > Blackhole Motorsports site (http://www.bhmotorsports.com/). The 1.09 > > patch is what you need (it makes a big difference, IMO), and they also > > have some excellent setups there as well. FYI, I've got an AMD K6-2 > > 400 system with 64 MB of RAM and a 16 MB Voodoo Banshee card, and I'm > > getting solid 20+ fps frame rates. You definitely want to turn off > > pitlane objects, turn off smoke and particles, and turn off (or at the > > very least reduce) the details in the mirrors. All of that should make > > the game smooth even on your current Celeron system, I would imagine. > > > > Also FWIW, the BHMS site has a very nice modified cockpit for F12K that > > gives it more of a GP2/GP3 type look (you don't look "over" the nose > > quite so much with this view). Look around their downloads section to > > find this if you're interested -- it not only looks better (IMO), but > > this new view also clips a bit of the mirrors off, which enhances the > > frame rate further. > > > > Hope all this helps a bit! > > > > -- JB > > > > In article <JBUp5.6280$[email hidden]>, > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Thanks JB, actually I already have F12k, and like it fairly well, only > > > problem I have with it right now is it is such a graphics hog. > > However, I am > > > running a Celeron 300a at 464 mhz, but have a 566 celeron on the way > > that > > > should be here Monday, which I plan on running at 850 mhz on my Abit > > BH6. > > > That might make the F12k experience a lot better for me, and based on > > your > > > comments below, I am convinced I should hold off GP3 and revisit F12k > > when > > > my chip gets here. > > > Btw, are all the patches and upgrades that I would need available > > from EA's > > > sight, or are they third party add ons? I got the sim right after it > > hit the > > > shelves, and have not patched it in any way. > > > > > > -- > > > Don Burnette > > > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > > ICQ# 74084566 > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8o93c0 > > $4fm$[email hidden]... > > > > If you love GPL, Don, then you might want to consider picking up > > EA's > > > > F1 2000 instead of GP3. With all the patches and upgrades, F12K is > > > > right up there with GPL and NH in terms of realism, IMO. I'm not > > much > > > > of a F1 fan myself, but I LOVE turning laps in F12K. In my > > opinion, if > > > > you just want to turn laps and you're not really interested in > > > > simulating races and entire seasons, then GP3 would be a waste for > > > > you. GP3 does a great job of simulating the overall > > F1 "experience," > > > > but F12K does a better job of simulating the F1 DRIVING experience, > > IMO. > > > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > > > In article <3pTp5.6216$[email hidden]>, > > > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > Ok, I know I will want to pick up Nascar Heat, simply because I > > love > > > > Nascar > > > > > sims and was somewhat impressed with the demo. Now that Ed has > > stated > > > > there > > > > > will be a patch, I will probably pick it up over the next few > > days. > > > > > Now, GP3 I am not so sure of. I liked GP2 ok back when it came > > out, > > > > didn't > > > > > spend as much time on it as I did N1 and N2, but did enjoy what > > time > > > > I did > > > > > spend with it. I liked ICR2 as well. GPL I love, have had it > > since it > > > > was > > > > > released, just don't get to spend as much time with it due to my > > busy > > > > > shedule and Nascar online racing. I do thoroughly enjoy loading > > up a > > > > track > > > > > and spending an hour or two getting proficient at it and setting > > > > personal > > > > > bests. > > > > > Now, my debate is should I get GP3? I have seen many conflicting > > > > reports > > > > > here, and am dissappointed with some things I have been hearing, > > how > > > > it is > > > > > so much like GP2, which is quite a dated physics model. Would GP3 > > be > > > > worth > > > > > it to me? I would probably really enjoy it if there was enough of > > a > > > > > difference between it and GP2, but am undecided at this point. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Don Burnette > > > > > Dburn in N3 and Legends > > > > > ICQ# 74084566 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >