Re: 4 "new" tracks for GPL

Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Goy Larsen wrote: > > one too many Abbott's... > > Is there such a thing? Wish I could get it around here, though at least > we have a couple joints that have Double Diamond on tap. Best part of my > trip to England was trying the local brews wherever we went... You are ABSOLUTELY correct, Barton, there is NO SUCH THING as too many Abbotts. As a matter of fact, I've got a 4 pack of Abbotts in my 'fridge right now...in Raleigh, NC! You're welcome to come over and sample (*ONE*) if you want... ;] (Imported by Kohl Brewing Company, Raleigh, NC... ;p ) Cheers! -- �� Jan Kohl �� The Pits Performance Team The Pits - http://www.theuspits.com Castle Graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com

Bull Run was a Nascar2 Fantasy track, wich was free to download from papy and other sites (The Pits), and was included in BGN Track Pack for Nascar 2, also with Red Rock. Would fe fantastic to have Bull Run for GPL Alejandro..

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> > Surfers Paradise and Bull Run: > Then 2 other tracks are released, Surfers Paradise, a convertion from > ICR2, and Bull Run, a track for N3 which hasn't been released. > They're for download at the French Pits, but since they are officially > illegal, I won't post the url, consider this purely as info. > Perhaps someone can find an easy way to convert Surfers Paradise in a > legal way to GPL, just like the converter from Noonan converts the > ICR2 tracks in a legal way. > > Surfers Paradise is imo not really suited for GPL, but Bull Run is a > fantastic track, which some great banked corners. > > Andre

Andre Warringa wrote:

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> > Surfers Paradise and Bull Run: > Then 2 other tracks are released, Surfers Paradise, a convertion from > ICR2, and Bull Run, a track for N3 which hasn't been released. > They're for download at the French Pits, but since they are officially > illegal, I won't post the url, consider this purely as info. > Perhaps someone can find an easy way to convert Surfers Paradise in a > legal way to GPL, just like the converter from Noonan converts the > ICR2 tracks in a legal way. > > Surfers Paradise is imo not really suited for GPL, but Bull Run is a > fantastic track, which some great banked corners.

"Great banked corners", isn't that an oxymoron ? :-) As for Surfers, there are reasons why David didn't convert it, can't remember what it was, but I asked him about it after it was mentioned here on this NG, and all I can say is, there are issues with Surfers, he didn't just have one too many Abbott's that day and forgot to include it....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Could someone send me the URL for Bullrun? "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Surfers Paradise is imo not really suited for GPL, but Bull Run is a > fantastic track, which some great banked corners.

Tracey Miller <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Bwq5.269$[email hidden]... > Could someone send me the URL for Bullrun? > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > Surfers Paradise is imo not really suited for GPL, but Bull Run is a > > fantastic track, which some great banked corners. > Is this like Suzuka? What ever happened to all these tracks and the French pits....I'm lost

Just in case you missed it on the GPLEA forum, 4 "new" tracks have been released: Milwaukee Dirt Track: http://www.simcyberworld.com/users/gpl/gpl.shtml (Turn Milwaukee into a Dirt Track, you need the original Milwaukee track for this) This is purely for fun, just like the Pants Ring. This track makes some great replays though :) Bristol '70: http://nosthevamp.tripod.com/start.htm Bruce Johnson found a way to convert Bristol from Nascar Legends to GPL, and he also made a nice cover for it. You need Nascar Legends for this one. Bristol is hard to drive in GPL, allmost as hard as the Pants Ring, really steep banking. Surfers Paradise and Bull Run: Then 2 other tracks are released, Surfers Paradise, a convertion from ICR2, and Bull Run, a track for N3 which hasn't been released. They're for download at the French Pits, but since they are officially illegal, I won't post the url, consider this purely as info. Perhaps someone can find an easy way to convert Surfers Paradise in a legal way to GPL, just like the converter from Noonan converts the ICR2 tracks in a legal way. Surfers Paradise is imo not really suited for GPL, but Bull Run is a fantastic track, which some great banked corners. Andre

Goy Larsen wrote: > > one too many Abbott's... Is there such a thing? Wish I could get it around here, though at least we have a couple joints that have Double Diamond on tap. Best part of my trip to England was trying the local brews wherever we went... BB

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:33:12 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >As for Surfers, there are reasons why David didn't convert it, can't >remember what it was, but I asked him about it after it was mentioned >here on this NG, and all I can say is, there are issues with Surfers, he >didn't just have one too many Abbott's that day and forgot to include >it....:-) Well the track itself works great as far as I have tested it (drove a lap or 10) but maybe the AI was the problem for this one? Andre

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Next time you visit, try and see if you can get a glass of 'Brain's SA' Nicknamed 'Skull Attack' *vbg*, now theres an ale. Or 'Roger and Out', lives up to it's name, only served in 1/2 pint glasses, thick as treacle, totally undrinkable, but you'll never make it to your second glass conscious *grin* Freeburn. Barton Brown wrote:

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> > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > one too many Abbott's... > > Is there such a thing? Wish I could get it around here, though at least > we have a couple joints that have Double Diamond on tap. Best part of my > trip to England was trying the local brews wherever we went... > > BB

Jan Kohl wrote: > > You are ABSOLUTELY correct, Barton, there is NO SUCH THING as too > many Abbotts. As a matter of fact, I've got a 4 pack of Abbotts in my 'fridge right > now...in Raleigh, NC! You're welcome to come over and sample (*ONE*) if you > want... Let's see ... ONE Abbot's, ten hours of driving each way ... ah, hell! Why not? Leave your porch light on and I'll figure out where you live! BB

Freeburn wrote: > > Next time you visit, try and see if you can get a glass of 'Brain's SA' > Nicknamed 'Skull Attack' ... Or 'Roger and Out' Lessee, Raleigh, NC, then the UK ... then I'll have to go to the Czech Republic for fresh Pilsner Urquell... think I'll ever make it home? BB

Barton Brown wrote:

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> > Freeburn wrote: > > > > Next time you visit, try and see if you can get a glass of 'Brain's SA' > > Nicknamed 'Skull Attack' ... Or 'Roger and Out' > > Lessee, Raleigh, NC, then the UK ... then I'll have to go to the Czech > Republic for fresh Pilsner Urquell... think I'll ever make it home? > > BB

While your in the Czech Rep, go get a real 'Bud' *vbg* Budweiser Budvar that is... ;) Freeburn.

The French Pits still has them. He just moved to a new site after his old one got shut down (or whatever the reason it was). I'm not posting the URL for the same reason as Andre. Mike Horton "9Wright7" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8oe7i4$hj3$[email hidden]... > > Is this like Suzuka? What ever happened to all these tracks and the French > pits....I'm lost > >

What would be BETTER for GPL is the Flat Bull conversion that was done for Indycar2. The removal of the 2 huge banked turns makes the Bull into a more realistic type of track. But it does take away one of my best passing zones. I have gotten quite good at using the first banked turn to swoop over and above drivers attempting to hold a tight line through the banking. After that came a sharp lefthander and my Highside pass put me in perfect position to steal the apex of that turn....can't do that with the flat course. dave henrie "Alemira" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8oeaqq$aortu$[email hidden]... > Bull Run was a Nascar2 Fantasy track, wich was free to download from papy > and other sites (The Pits), and was included in BGN Track Pack for Nascar2, > also with Red Rock. > Would fe fantastic to have Bull Run for GPL > Alejandro.. > > >

Barton Brown wrote:

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> > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > one too many Abbott's... > > Is there such a thing? Wish I could get it around here, though at least > we have a couple joints that have Double Diamond on tap. Best part of my > trip to England was trying the local brews wherever we went...

If you get over there again and happen to wonder in at "The Red Lion" in Bristol, you should try "Farmers Delight" Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > What would be BETTER for GPL is the Flat Bull conversion that was done for > Indycar2. The removal of the 2 huge banked turns makes the Bull into a more > realistic type of track. But it does take away one of my best passing > zones. I have gotten quite good at using the first banked turn to swoop > over and above drivers attempting to hold a tight line through the banking. > After that came a sharp lefthander and my Highside pass put me in perfect > position to steal the apex of that turn....can't do that with the flat > course.

<tries to imagine Dave Henrie actually overtaking *anything* in his Stratus, decides it's a pipe dream and takes 2 aspirin....> Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Barton Brown wrote:

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> > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > one too many Abbott's... > > Is there such a thing? Wish I could get it around here, though at least > we have a couple joints that have Double Diamond on tap. Best part of my > trip to England was trying the local brews wherever we went...

LOL, well, I have to admit that after Jan introduced me to this rather excellent brew on our gathering in the UK this summer, which is why "The Pits" was shut down btw, we used all the ad money for one big party in the UK :-), I have a hard time drinking anything else :-), beer that is..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 05:17:55 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> What would be BETTER for GPL is the Flat Bull conversion that was done for >Indycar2. The removal of the 2 huge banked turns makes the Bull into a more >realistic type of track. But it does take away one of my best passing >zones. I have gotten quite good at using the first banked turn to swoop >over and above drivers attempting to hold a tight line through the banking. >After that came a sharp lefthander and my Highside pass put me in perfect >position to steal the apex of that turn....can't do that with the flat >course.

Bull Run may not be a realistic track (hey, it's a fantasy track!) but the high banked corners do make it a very refreshing and fantastic track. You say it would be better for gpl if the flat version was used, but further on in your post you describe how much fun the current Bull Run is.. let's agree that it would be BEST to have both versions for GPL :) By the way, Bruce put up a new track today, Sears 99 converted to GPL. I just came home, didn't have time to test it yet. Get it at http://nosthevamp.tripod.com/start.htm . Andre

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>dave henrie >"Alemira" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8oeaqq$aortu$[email hidden]... >> Bull Run was a Nascar2 Fantasy track, wich was free to download from papy >> and other sites (The Pits), and was included in BGN Track Pack for Nascar >2, >> also with Red Rock. >> Would fe fantastic to have Bull Run for GPL >> Alejandro.. >> >> > > >

Do I need the "Converter" or they are all "stand alone" ??? Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : [email hidden]...

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> Just in case you missed it on the GPLEA forum, 4 "new" tracks have > been released: > > Milwaukee Dirt Track: > http://www.simcyberworld.com/users/gpl/gpl.shtml > (Turn Milwaukee into a Dirt Track, you need the original Milwaukee > track for this) > This is purely for fun, just like the Pants Ring. > This track makes some great replays though :) > > > Bristol '70: > http://nosthevamp.tripod.com/start.htm > Bruce Johnson found a way to convert Bristol from Nascar Legends to > GPL, and he also made a nice cover for it. > You need Nascar Legends for this one. > Bristol is hard to drive in GPL, allmost as hard as the Pants Ring, > really steep banking. > > Surfers Paradise and Bull Run: > Then 2 other tracks are released, Surfers Paradise, a convertion from > ICR2, and Bull Run, a track for N3 which hasn't been released. > They're for download at the French Pits, but since they are officially > illegal, I won't post the url, consider this purely as info. > Perhaps someone can find an easy way to convert Surfers Paradise in a > legal way to GPL, just like the converter from Noonan converts the > ICR2 tracks in a legal way. > > Surfers Paradise is imo not really suited for GPL, but Bull Run is a > fantastic track, which some great banked corners. > > Andre

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in > What would be BETTER for GPL is the Flat Bull conversion that was donefor > Indycar2. The removal of the 2 huge banked turns makes the Bull into amore > realistic type of track. Bull Run 2000 has great AI also, the best AI ever in any user-created tracks. eh! <wink to Jon> ;) -- AI is me ;) -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net

On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:27:29 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in >> What would be BETTER for GPL is the Flat Bull conversion that was done >for >> Indycar2. The removal of the 2 huge banked turns makes the Bull into a >more >> realistic type of track. > > >Bull Run 2000 has great AI also, the best AI ever in any user-created >tracks.

AI is fantastic indeed, I also noticed this, but weird enough during practice the AI crash quite often at that barrier on the right which is immediatly being followed by a drop in the track. During races they don't crash there.. weird. I asked this before, but in case someone missed it: Does anybody know who converted the track and who made the AI for it? Andre >eh! <wink to Jon> ;) Eh.. why? :) Andre

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> > >-- AI is me ;) >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >-- May the Downforce be with you... >-- http://www.WeRace.net > >

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote

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> >Bull Run 2000 has great AI also, the best AI ever in any user-created > >tracks. > > AI is fantastic indeed, I also noticed this, but weird enough during > practice the AI crash quite often at that barrier on the right which > is immediatly being followed by a drop in the track. > During races they don't crash there.. weird. > I asked this before, but in case someone missed it: > Does anybody know who converted the track and who made the AI for it?

The AI is me ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:00:45 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote >> >Bull Run 2000 has great AI also, the best AI ever in any user-created >> >tracks. >> >> AI is fantastic indeed, I also noticed this, but weird enough during >> practice the AI crash quite often at that barrier on the right which >> is immediatly being followed by a drop in the track. >> During races they don't crash there.. weird. >> I asked this before, but in case someone missed it: >> Does anybody know who converted the track and who made the AI for it? > > >The AI is me ;-)

The AI is me... that's French-English for 'I made the AI for Bull Run'? Andre

Here we go again... ymenard wrote: > > The AI is me ;-)

Barton Brown wrote: > > Here we go again... > > ymenard wrote: > > > > The AI is me ;-) Actually, AFAIK he's right about this one, and seeing the weird behavior of the AI during a race, I tend to believe him, especially as they're also slow as hell, for everyone except Dave Henrie and his Dodge that is.....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > Actually, AFAIK he's right about this one, and seeing the weird behavior > of the AI during a race, I tend to believe him, especially as they're > also slow as hell, for everyone except Dave Henrie and his Dodge that > is.....:-) Hehe I'm going to get you someday Goy! You have to show your arse at the Albany LAN. You could find a sponsor for your plane ticket <vbg>. Do they have rebates for Union members? ;-P Seriously the original Bull Run 2000 AI was done by me, but the biggest load of work was by Jon Van Ginneken (one of his early work in terms of track editing). I tried to create fast but also stable laps by the AI, both in IndyCars and Stockcars. The first use for BR2k was that when you raced it in Icr2, the limited physics made you snap the car into a spin at those 2 banked corners, so they were flattened. It was after that the track was adapted for numbers of offline endurance racing, but after checking the tracks they still use my AI. Oh and Barton.. shhh next time. "Don't write checks your arse can't cash in". ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:40:45 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> > but after checking the >tracks they still use my AI. So the AI of ICR2 can simply be converted to GPL? Andre

ymenard wrote: > > Hehe I'm going to get you someday Goy! You have to show your arse at the > Albany LAN. You could find a sponsor for your plane ticket <vbg>. Do they > have rebates for Union members? ;-P LOL, I'd get my ass kicked so badly it wouldn't even be funny to watch

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> Seriously the original Bull Run 2000 AI was done by me, but the biggest load > of work was by Jon Van Ginneken (one of his early work in terms of track > editing). I tried to create fast but also stable laps by the AI, both in > IndyCars and Stockcars. The first use for BR2k was that when you raced it > in Icr2, the limited physics made you snap the car into a spin at those 2 > banked corners, so they were flattened. It was after that the track was > adapted for numbers of offline endurance racing, but after checking the > tracks they still use my AI.

Actually I don't think the AI is all that bad, they use a decent line through the corners and such, it's just that I think you might have done a too slow lap and just adjusted it to get the lap times, which shows up as weird behavior under braking acceleration, and it's especially noticeable going into the last baked corner were the AI will brake so early it isn't even funny (if memory serves me right, it's been almost a year :-) but will just outdrag you coming off the corner as it seems to compensate for slow corner speeds by going fast on the straights......which reminds me of a certain young French/Canadian I know.....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com