Bull Run AI

Just had a race against the AI on Bull Run. Much to my surprise they were very good! During practice they made quite some crashes, but during the race (12 laps) only one AI car dropped out because of engine troubles. The rest made the finish perfectly. Even more so, the AI was very good on the banked sections, they even overtook eachother on the last banking before the corner. I have to struggle there to even keep the car on the road! I thought the AI had troubles on the banking, the reason why no AI was made for Noonan's oval converter, but apparently it is possible. I'd love to race against the AI on Bristol... (or on the banked Monza for that matter, but you allready knew that) Andre

Fully agree with you,would also love to race against a1 on the other oval converted tracks,i even wrote to dave asking if he planned in future to fix the A1 in those tracks,but unfortunately,no reply skell

skell wrote: > > Fully agree with you,would also love to race against a1 on the other oval > converted tracks,i even wrote to dave asking if he planned in future to fix > the A1 in those tracks,but unfortunately,no reply > skell Do not expect an AI fix for the high banked ovals any time soon, I don't remember the techie bits, but at the time David simply didn't see any way to make them realistically, this might have changed in the past couple of months, but I don't think so Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:14:42 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >skell wrote: >> >> Fully agree with you,would also love to race against a1 on the other oval >> converted tracks,i even wrote to dave asking if he planned in future to fix >> the A1 in those tracks,but unfortunately,no reply >> skell > >Do not expect an AI fix for the high banked ovals any time soon, I don't >remember the techie bits, but at the time David simply didn't see any >way to make them realistically, this might have changed in the past >couple of months, but I don't think so

Have you tried Bull Run Goy? The bankings are quite steep there imo, especially that last banked corner, and the AI behaves perfect there. Perhaps Noonan can find a solution for the oval tracks by studying the AI file from the Bull Run track? By the way, I'm seriously curious who converted Bull Run and who made the AI, anybody know? Andre

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> >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >"Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > >* Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * >"Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:21:25 +0800, "skell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Fully agree with you,would also love to race against a1 on the other oval It's AI, Artificial Intelligence. >converted tracks,i even wrote to dave asking if he planned in future to fix >the A1 in those tracks,but unfortunately,no reply Yep, that's Noonan :) Andre >skell >

Andre Warringa wrote: > > Have you tried Bull Run Goy? The bankings are quite steep there imo, > especially that last banked corner, and the AI behaves perfect there. > Perhaps Noonan can find a solution for the oval tracks by studying the > AI file from the Bull Run track? Could be, I haven't seen it myself, not enough time these days to race much unfortunately, but yes, the last corner at Bull Run was fairly steeply banked, do the AI race at full speed through that corner ? > By the way, I'm seriously curious who converted Bull Run and who made > the AI, anybody know? No idea.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:36:10 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> Have you tried Bull Run Goy? The bankings are quite steep there imo, >> especially that last banked corner, and the AI behaves perfect there. >> Perhaps Noonan can find a solution for the oval tracks by studying the >> AI file from the Bull Run track? > >Could be, I haven't seen it myself, not enough time these days to race >much unfortunately, but yes, the last corner at Bull Run was fairly >steeply banked, do the AI race at full speed through that corner ?

I can't keep up with them there (not that that says much :) Then even overtake there, while I'm struggeling to keep the car on the road there. Andre

See my recent post re: Bull Run - setups/replays/times. I just won a race there, F1 using the default setup (reduced to 4laps fuel) in the Ferrari. The last banking is where i really make up time on them. Certainly I am flat in 5th all the way through. If you want replay I can post in alt.binaries.simulators.autos. MaXX Ps. I'm not an Alien .. GPLRank +26.07 On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:24:31 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:36:10 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >> >>Andre Warringa wrote: >>> >>> Have you tried Bull Run Goy? The bankings are quite steep there imo, >>> especially that last banked corner, and the AI behaves perfect there. >>> Perhaps Noonan can find a solution for the oval tracks by studying the >>> AI file from the Bull Run track? >> >>Could be, I haven't seen it myself, not enough time these days to race >>much unfortunately, but yes, the last corner at Bull Run was fairly >>steeply banked, do the AI race at full speed through that corner ? > >I can't keep up with them there (not that that says much :) >Then even overtake there, while I'm struggeling to keep the car on the >road there. > >Andre

Although flat in the Ferrari, 5th is a little low, also never gets to 10k but better than staying in 4th. Carry about 150-155mph through the last banking. Tried the Lotus and did a 1:48.03 and an untidy 1:47.96 pretty much straight away. The 5th gear on the Lotus is much longer but you struggle to get enough speed up prior to the banking to need 5th, feels quicker and maybe need a slight lift on the exit to pull the tail in. I would say it's pulling about 158mph through the banking, I'll maybe check later. The Ferrari setup needs some work, the Lotus feels quite good and not so nervous as the Ferrari. MaXX On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:36:16 +0100, MaXX <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >See my recent post re: Bull Run - setups/replays/times. I just won a >race there, F1 using the default setup (reduced to 4laps fuel) in >the Ferrari. The last banking is where i really make up time on them. >Certainly I am flat in 5th all the way through. > >If you want replay I can post in alt.binaries.simulators.autos. > >MaXX > >Ps. I'm not an Alien .. GPLRank +26.07 > > >On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:24:31 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:36:10 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>Andre Warringa wrote: >>>> >>>> Have you tried Bull Run Goy? The bankings are quite steep there imo, >>>> especially that last banked corner, and the AI behaves perfect there. >>>> Perhaps Noonan can find a solution for the oval tracks by studying the >>>> AI file from the Bull Run track? >>> >>>Could be, I haven't seen it myself, not enough time these days to race >>>much unfortunately, but yes, the last corner at Bull Run was fairly >>>steeply banked, do the AI race at full speed through that corner ? >> >>I can't keep up with them there (not that that says much :) >>Then even overtake there, while I'm struggeling to keep the car on the >>road there. >> >>Andre

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:36:16 +0100, MaXX <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >See my recent post re: Bull Run - setups/replays/times. I just won a >race there, F1 using the default setup (reduced to 4laps fuel) in >the Ferrari. The last banking is where i really make up time on them. >Certainly I am flat in 5th all the way through. > >If you want replay I can post in alt.binaries.simulators.autos.

Yes please, thanks. Some Lotus setups would also be very welcome :) Andre > >MaXX

I'll post the 1:48.03 lap in the Lotus, I did a 1:47.96 but it's a bit untidy. This is just using the Default Setup with the fuel reduced to 4 laps worth (novice race length). If you wanted to tweak the setup a little 5th could do with being a little bit shorter I think as you never really max out. The rest is more down to personal preference, I generally either use the defaults or Alison Hines for the main GPL tracks. MaXX On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:02:00 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:36:16 +0100, MaXX <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >>See my recent post re: Bull Run - setups/replays/times. I just won a >>race there, F1 using the default setup (reduced to 4laps fuel) in >>the Ferrari. The last banking is where i really make up time on them. >>Certainly I am flat in 5th all the way through. >> >>If you want replay I can post in alt.binaries.simulators.autos. > >Yes please, thanks. Some Lotus setups would also be very welcome :) > >Andre > >> >>MaXX

Ooops, they were the Ferraris times, read 1:47.16 and 1:46.87, I've now posted the 1:47.16 lap, the other, although faster was a bit untidy. MaXX On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:29:48 +0100, MaXX <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >I'll post the 1:48.03 lap in the Lotus, I did a 1:47.96 but it's a bit >untidy. > >This is just using the Default Setup with the fuel reduced to 4 laps >worth (novice race length). If you wanted to tweak the setup a little >5th could do with being a little bit shorter I think as you never >really max out. The rest is more down to personal preference, I >generally either use the defaults or Alison Hines for the main >GPL tracks. > >MaXX > > > >On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:02:00 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:36:16 +0100, MaXX <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>> >>>See my recent post re: Bull Run - setups/replays/times. I just won a >>>race there, F1 using the default setup (reduced to 4laps fuel) in >>>the Ferrari. The last banking is where i really make up time on them. >>>Certainly I am flat in 5th all the way through. >>> >>>If you want replay I can post in alt.binaries.simulators.autos. >> >>Yes please, thanks. Some Lotus setups would also be very welcome :) >> >>Andre >> >>> >>>MaXX

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:29:48 +0100, MaXX <[email hidden]> wrote: I shortened 5th and it feels better, I also have been experimenting with 60/60 diifs (a la Steve Smith article at) : http://eaglewoman.maximumspeed.com/gpl/ I like the feel but probably no faster although have since done a fairly tidy 1:46.37 which I'll post to the binaries group along with the setup MaXX >[snip] >This is just using the Default Setup with the fuel reduced to 4 laps >worth (novice race length). If you wanted to tweak the setup a little >5th could do with being a little bit shorter I think as you never >really max out. The rest is more down to personal preference, I >generally either use the defaults or Alison Hines for the main >GPL tracks.

Dear GPL racers, is the Bull Run track for GPL to be found somewhere? And as a version that is not stolen from anyone! (I do not want any "frenchpits" kind of stuff!) If it is "legally" somewhere, where? Arto PS Great tracks we have got lately, Imola, Road Atlanta, Solitude!