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OT: What you guys race on real life, if you do?

29 posts by 16 people · 29 Aug 2000 22:56 UTC - 07 Oct 2000

What members race in real life

A Venezuelan autocrosser asked what others raced. Replies included karts, moped endurance, truck racing, late models and drag racing; Tom Pabst listed an extensive SCCA and vintage career including a Lotus 49, prompting requests for a comparison with GPL. Side discussion covered a fun VROC race and which sims felt most realistic to real racers.

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lito 29 Aug 2000 22:56 UTC#235777
Wonder what you guys race (if you do) on real life. Myself race a 92GT Mustang on a local solo club(the only one of my country wich BTW I�m the webmaster of the homepage), our races are similar that SCCA SOLO II but on race tracks with a little higher top speeds (110MPH on some places), the car has many road race mods. If you wish to take a look and hear the car go here: http://www.killersracing.com/fotoslito.htm lito Caracas, Venezuela webmaster of www.clubcopa.com home of solo racing and race schools in Venezuela. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
lito 30 Aug 2000 13:38 UTC#235403
In article <Dn3r5.3122 $[email hidden]>, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I don't race myself but I work for a truck racing team > (yes it exists, real > trucks, not nascar pickups) Those big and wild truck races in Europe? (I�ve seen some on TV) lito * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
GraDee 30 Aug 2000 18:04 UTC#235466
lito <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (8 lines)> Wonder what you guys race (if you do) on real life. Myself > race a 92GT Mustang on a local solo club(the only one of my > country wich BTW I�m the webmaster of the homepage), our > races are similar that SCCA SOLO II but on race tracks with > a little higher top speeds (110MPH on some places), the car > has many road race mods. If you wish to take a look and > hear the car go here: >
I race karts.....luvly things they are!
lito 30 Aug 2000 19:20 UTC#235486
Love karts, have many friends that compete nationally with 125 shifters, but couldn�t find any with a seat wide enough, made some research and think that I may need a modified chassis. But I�m skipping the case, I�m waaay to heavy to be competitive. But hell if I could get one of those little demons at least for some laps. lito * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
GraDee 30 Aug 2000 22:18 UTC#235537
lito <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (7 lines)> Love karts, have many friends that compete nationally with > 125 shifters, but couldn�t find any with a seat wide > enough, made some research and think that I may need a > modified chassis. But I�m skipping the case, I�m waaay to > heavy to be competitive. But hell if I could get one of > those little demons at least for some laps. >
I'm sure your not, If your in England there must be Heavyweight classes if you feel your not 5ft 2in and about 7stone like most of the leaders:-) Its all for the fun of it too.... given, lots of the smaller guys find themselves towards the front but I know lots of big men who enjoy the sport. As for seats... look into a basic plastic seat, like on rentals... The expensive seats are a bit tight even to little nippers. Anyway, if you like the sport and have the time/money to give it a go, I'd really recommend it whether you'd be competitive or not.
Bengal 30 Aug 2000 23:08 UTC#235355
I love racing Karts Bengal http://members.home.net/bengal2/karttec.html lito wrote:
Quoted text (18 lines)> > Wonder what you guys race (if you do) on real life. Myself > race a 92GT Mustang on a local solo club(the only one of my > country wich BTW I�m the webmaster of the homepage), our > races are similar that SCCA SOLO II but on race tracks with > a little higher top speeds (110MPH on some places), the car > has many road race mods. If you wish to take a look and > hear the car go here: > > http://www.killersracing.com/fotoslito.htm > > lito > Caracas, Venezuela > > webmaster of www.clubcopa.com home of solo racing and race > schools in Venezuela. > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
Mark Aisthorpe 31 Aug 2000 01:25 UTC#235211
"lito" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden].. . > Wonder what you guys race (if you do) on reallife. Used to do moped endurance racing, http://www.moped-mayhem.co.uk/ Hmmm must get back to it some time. -- Mark Aisthorpe London UK GPLRank +105.25 Remove NO-SPAM to reply
Tom Pabst 31 Aug 2000 18:50 UTC#235088
Real-world racing I do or have done (competing in races, or full season series races)......... race car: Porsche 924, GT-3 (SCCA class) in National and Regional SCCA races (Pacific Northwest Region), I've won two Regional Championships in this car, and was named "Rookie Of The Year" in in my first year of racing in the Northwest Region of SCCA (Sports Car Club Of America). race car: VW-GTI 16valve, SSB (SCCA class) in National and Regional SCCA races....one Pacific Northwest Regional Championship in this car. race car: BMW M1, ESCORT Endurance Pro Racing series (SCCA Pro Racing - endurance races of 12 to 24 hours in length) driven for the BMW factory team, placed 3rd in overall ESCORT Endurance Series Championship - Driver's Points and 2nd in Car Manufacture's Championship. Race cars driven (but not in competition races)........ Formula One (1967 Lotus), GTP-Porsche 962 (and several other makes), GTA (similar to a Winston Cup car), Formula Ford (SCCA Regional class - this was my "training car"), Porsche 944, GT-1 (SCCA class), Porsche 914, GT-2 (SCCA class), Porsche IndyCar (development car) and just about every make and type of SCCA Showroom Stock car and class. Competition Licenses held: SCCA Regional Competition Racing License SCCA National Competition Racing License SCCA Pro Racing Competition Racing License IMSA Pro Racing Competition License (FIA Approved) NASA Pro Racing Competition License SCCA -Certified Competition Instructor- Racing License Tom Pabst Pabst-Racing/SearsGroup "lito" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (21 lines)> Wonder what you guys race (if you do) on real life. Myself > race a 92GT Mustang on a local solo club(the only one of my > country wich BTW I�m the webmaster of the homepage), our > races are similar that SCCA SOLO II but on race tracks with > a little higher top speeds (110MPH on some places), the car > has many road race mods. If you wish to take a look and > hear the car go here: > > http://www.killersracing.com/fotoslito.htm > > lito > Caracas, Venezuela > > webmaster of www.clubcopa.com home of solo racing and race > schools in Venezuela. > > > > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find
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lito 31 Aug 2000 20:56 UTC↳ reply to Tom Pabst#235011
Nice "Palmares" and pretty coincidence your name being the same as the tomshardware.com guy (sure somebody already told you that) lito * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:50:51 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip lots of racecars> >Race cars driven (but not in competition races)........ > > Formula One (1967 Lotus), <snip even more cars> HUH? YOU DROVE A LOTUS 67 ?????? Tom... PLEASE tell us your experiences! The big question: How does it compare to GPL? Andre
Quoted text (33 lines)>Tom Pabst >Pabst-Racing/SearsGroup > > > > > >"lito" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Wonder what you guys race (if you do) on real life. Myself >> race a 92GT Mustang on a local solo club(the only one of my >> country wich BTW I�m the webmaster of the homepage), our >> races are similar that SCCA SOLO II but on race tracks with >> a little higher top speeds (110MPH on some places), the car >> has many road race mods. If you wish to take a look and >> hear the car go here: >> >> http://www.killersracing.com/fotoslito.htm >> >> lito >> Caracas, Venezuela >> >> webmaster of www.clubcopa.com home of solo racing and race >> schools in Venezuela. >> >> >> >> >> >> * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find >related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is >Beautiful >
I'm as amazed as you are, but it would actually be a Lotus 49 Andre. <g> Come on Tom... don't leave us hanging!! Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote... > <snip? > HUH? YOU DROVE A LOTUS 67 ??????
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 02:00:51 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm as amazed as you are, but it would actually be a Lotus 49 Andre. <g> Sorry Jan, I was so amazed that my mind stopped working :) Checking for new posts now for every 5 minutes to see if Tom allready answered... Btw, it was nice to race with you, you're a very clean driver. Andre
Quoted text (8 lines)>Come on Tom... don't leave us hanging!! > >Jan. >=--- >Andre Warringa wrote... >> <snip? >> HUH? YOU DROVE A LOTUS 67 ?????? >
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (10 lines)> I'm as amazed as you are, but it would actually be a Lotus 49 Andre. <g> > > Come on Tom... don't leave us hanging!! > > Jan. > =--- > Andre Warringa wrote... > > <snip? > > HUH? YOU DROVE A LOTUS 67 ?????? >
Yeah Tom! How can you just leave that one hanging there with no explaination! Was it Pete Lovely's car? Tell it Brother!<g> -- don New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker1.plus.com/gpl/bapom/ You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.
"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 02:00:51 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > Btw, it was nice to race with you, you're a very clean driver. > > Andre Only trouble is that nice guys don't win <G> Was Jan clean as you lapped him hehe? MS
Speak for yourself: http://users.pandora.be/jan..verschueren./GPLSS01.jpg This was the Cooper vs BRM grudgematch mentioned in the "What is LOL?" thread (3 BRM's vs 1 Cooper, ain't no such thing as a fair war <vwg>). On the 2nd lap I think Andre was knocked back by the game allowing one of the extra, non-homologated cars to reset at the hairpin when it shouldn't have. Peter and I swapped the lead of the BRM vs Cooper thing a couple of times while waiting for Simon to catch up. Eventually Peter built a lead and held it... On the last lap Simon dissapeared from my mirrors (we'd been pretty even so far) so I let up a little and duly saw a car reappear. As it got closer I realised it was Andre in the 3rd BRM and decided he deserved a chance at dashing for the line. Unfortunately I had geared my car poorly for the exit of Sanson (just 16 minutes to reacquaint myself with the track and find a setup) and this is where Andre got an advantage which he successfully carried 'till the end of the backstraight. I went as deep as I could into Scierie but had to give him the turn. No matter in the end as we raced for fun, not to prove a point (although the result may see Mr. Brown treating BRM drivers with a little more respect in future ;-)). Jan./ gimme 5 mins to post the pic (timestamp 10.42pm CET 09/02/00) =--- m.seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BUas5.1646$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (16 lines)> > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 02:00:51 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Btw, it was nice to race with you, you're a very clean driver. > > > > Andre > > Only trouble is that nice guys don't win <G> > > Was Jan clean as you lapped him hehe? > > MS > >
On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:44:01 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Speak for yourself:<snip a lot of bad excuses :) > >No matter in the end as we raced for fun, not to prove a point (although the >result may see Mr. Brown treating BRM drivers with a little more respect in >future ;-)). Wait a minute, I have to defend myself here too a little bit: In 2 years GPL time, it was the first time I drove in a BRM. I only drive Lotus, and when I joined the race I didn't know it was a no-Lotus race. To my surprise the shifter was on the left side, then I realized that it was a no-Lotus race. I drove like sh*t, I think I crashed my car every lap :) Jan, next time, Lotus-only race :)) Andre
Quoted text (22 lines)> >Jan./ gimme 5 mins to post the pic (timestamp 10.42pm CET 09/02/00) >=--- >m.seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:BUas5.1646$[email hidden]... >> >> "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 02:00:51 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" >> > <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > Btw, it was nice to race with you, you're a very clean driver. >> > >> > Andre >> >> Only trouble is that nice guys don't win <G> >> >> Was Jan clean as you lapped him hehe? >> >> MS >> >> >
Andre Warringa wrote... > <snip a lot of bad excuses :) > What excuses??... I had a moment of contraproductive chivalry once I realised it was you, didn't take into account I was geared incorrectly and lost a place because of it. Where's the excuse? -I goofed, end of story. I tried to piece the race together the race as best as I could and make it sound good. You and I both know it was in fact a very confusing race. <snip> > Wait a minute, I have to defend myself here too a little bit: > In 2 years GPL time, it was the first time I drove in a BRM. > I only drive Lotus, and when I joined the race I didn't know > it was a no-Lotus race. To my surprise the shifter was on the > left side, then I realized that it was a no-Lotus race. BS. That Duckworth guy was in a Lotus IIRC. I had no control over the race anyhow... Simon and I just picked something we both has a reasonable ping to. To be fair, VROC was giving me a lot of grief that night too (lost controller settings and long delays starting the game). > I drove like sh*t, I think I crashed my car every lap :) Some defence!!! -I make it sound like you had the one setback and battled your way to the front again with a spirited drive and you go and admit you crashed every lap..... unclear on the concept!! ;-)) > Jan, next time, Lotus-only race :)) I would like to race you on your terms, but I reserve the right to bring whatever car feels good to me on the night. You advance me on GPL Rank by the better part of half a minute, so there can be no question of our relative ability, no matter what happened or would have happened in that race. This is beauty of GPL Rank, competition is not based upon circumstance. Jan. =---
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 02:04:50 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (9 lines)>Andre Warringa wrote... >> <snip a lot of bad excuses :) > > >What excuses??... I had a moment of contraproductive chivalry once I >realised it was you, didn't take into account I was geared incorrectly and >lost a place because of it. Where's the excuse? -I goofed, end of story. > >I tried to piece the race together the race as best as I could and make it >sound good. You and I both know it was in fact a very confusing race.
Jeez man, relax, I was just joking! >BS. That Duckworth guy was in a Lotus IIRC. I had no control over the race >anyhow... Simon and I just picked something we both has a reasonable ping >to. To be fair, VROC was giving me a lot of grief that night too (lost >controller settings and long delays starting the game). Weird, I have the Lotus chosen as default, but when I entered the race I got an BRM. <snip> Jan, again, I was just kidding, it wasn't even a race, with people waiting for eachother. It was just a fun, non-serious race. Andre >Jan. >=--- >
In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes I was at that race and would just like to add some comments of my own: I won. Hehe. -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.
I'm sorry Andre... misinterpreted you. I thought you were the one being defensive. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to arrange to race again sometime so you can beat me properly, huh? ;-)) As for the BRM thing, excluding a marque on WinVROC can indeed lead to this fenomenon. I'm pretty sure in this case it wasn't Lotus though. Make it a habit to check whether the correct driver is selected in WinVROC and, if so, that the class and marque listboxes either display "default" or the correct class and car. I've been bitten quite a few times in this way and quitting GPL to change it is a pain, so it really pays off to check. Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote...
Quoted text (16 lines)> <snip> > Jeez man, relax, I was just joking! > Weird, I have the Lotus chosen as default, but when I entered the race > I got an BRM. > > <snip> > > Jan, again, I was just kidding, it wasn't even a race, with people > waiting for eachother. It was just a fun, non-serious race. > > Andre > > >Jan. > >=--- > > >
You did... and in dominant fashion. You were really smoking in that BRM... kudos. Jan. =--- Peter Ives wrote...
Quoted text (9 lines)> I was at that race and would just like to add some > comments of my own: I won. Hehe. > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > > No person's opinions can be said to be > more correct than another's, because each is > the sole judge of his or her own experience.
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:16:19 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (10 lines)>I'm sorry Andre... misinterpreted you. I thought you were the one being >defensive. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to arrange to race again >sometime so you can beat me properly, huh? ;-)) >As for the BRM thing, excluding a marque on WinVROC can indeed lead to this >fenomenon. I'm pretty sure in this case it wasn't Lotus though. Make it a >habit to check whether the correct driver is selected in WinVROC and, if so, >that the class and marque listboxes either display "default" or the correct >class and car. I've been bitten quite a few times in this way and quitting >GPL to change it is a pain, so it really pays off to check.
I'll do that Jan. This never happened to me before, most races are open for all classes, but I'll check next time. Allthough now I discovered that driving the BRM can be fun too! Andre
YYEEEEEEEHHHAAAAAAWWWWWWW!!!!!! The closest I get to racing is pushing my 7 year old around the living room in my computer chair. Man, am I jealous. -DElvr http://www.3stoutsracing.com "Todd Mason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:giQB5.3385$[email hidden]... > Class 8 Off Road > > FRT Class Champion '97, '98, '99. Overall High Points Champion 1999. See > www.fudrace.com for more info. > > The whole team loves driving sims. Our current favorite is GP3, but wehave
Quoted text (33 lines)> them all. > > Todd Mason > San Diego, CA > > > > Wonder what you guys race (if you do) on real life. Myself > > > race a 92GT Mustang on a local solo club(the only one of my > > > country wich BTW I�m the webmaster of the homepage), our > > > races are similar that SCCA SOLO II but on race tracks with > > > a little higher top speeds (110MPH on some places), the car > > > has many road race mods. If you wish to take a look and > > > hear the car go here: > > > > > > http://www.killersracing.com/fotoslito.htm > > > > > > lito > > > Caracas, Venezuela > > > > > > webmaster of www.clubcopa.com home of solo racing and race > > > schools in Venezuela. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find > > related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is > > Beautiful > > > > > > >
125cc shifter karts this past year and next year will be doing the Bridgestone racing series at Mosport...arrive and drive F2000s. Jesse Black "Todd Mason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:giQB5.3385$[email hidden]... > Class 8 Off Road > > FRT Class Champion '97, '98, '99. Overall High Points Champion 1999. See > www.fudrace.com for more info. > > The whole team loves driving sims. Our current favorite is GP3, but wehave
Quoted text (33 lines)> them all. > > Todd Mason > San Diego, CA > > > > Wonder what you guys race (if you do) on real life. Myself > > > race a 92GT Mustang on a local solo club(the only one of my > > > country wich BTW I�m the webmaster of the homepage), our > > > races are similar that SCCA SOLO II but on race tracks with > > > a little higher top speeds (110MPH on some places), the car > > > has many road race mods. If you wish to take a look and > > > hear the car go here: > > > > > > http://www.killersracing.com/fotoslito.htm > > > > > > lito > > > Caracas, Venezuela > > > > > > webmaster of www.clubcopa.com home of solo racing and race > > > schools in Venezuela. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find > > related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is > > Beautiful > > > > > > >
I race a Childress Late Model on asphalt at the local track. "Todd Mason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:giQB5.3385$[email hidden]... > Class 8 Off Road > > FRT Class Champion '97, '98, '99. Overall High Points Champion 1999. See > www.fudrace.com for more info. > > The whole team loves driving sims. Our current favorite is GP3, but wehave
Quoted text (33 lines)> them all. > > Todd Mason > San Diego, CA > > > > Wonder what you guys race (if you do) on real life. Myself > > > race a 92GT Mustang on a local solo club(the only one of my > > > country wich BTW I�m the webmaster of the homepage), our > > > races are similar that SCCA SOLO II but on race tracks with > > > a little higher top speeds (110MPH on some places), the car > > > has many road race mods. If you wish to take a look and > > > hear the car go here: > > > > > > http://www.killersracing.com/fotoslito.htm > > > > > > lito > > > Caracas, Venezuela > > > > > > webmaster of www.clubcopa.com home of solo racing and race > > > schools in Venezuela. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find > > related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is > > Beautiful > > > > > > >
I have driven nascar sportsman (now defunct), top fuel dragsters, various doorcar dragcars, some gymkhana corvette races, and vintage racing at road atlanta in a cobra kitcar and a 50's american one-off custom roadracer. Of all the sims, SCGT is most realistic, followed by a rally game I cant remember at the moment, and (and I know this is going to get boo'd but..) Motorhead. Motorhead was off on velocity, but the "sensation'' of speed and car dynamics were pretty good. Although SCGT is good, it is WAY OFF at times. In a real racer, you drive 30% with the pedals and 70% with the wheel. Open wheel outlaws drive more than that with the throttle... SCGT will spin you out at the weirdest times, and it shows very strong favoritism to the Porsches. The Saleens are the worst modeled IMHO. That car is a bit topheavy yes, but not as much as they model it.. nor is it as sluggish. You stab the gas in a real 500hp mustang, and I guarantee its will move a lot faster than the scgt one... the GT1 cars are very well done, as are a few of the lower classes. It is the best though, period. GPL is tooo touchy in my opinion, but it is excellent, for the atmosphere and explaining that not all racecars were stuck to the ground with gumball tires and downforce out the ass. Jan
In SCGT you can't drive with the throttle. Adding in a little bit of throttle doesn't change how the car tracks on the exit of the turn. Weight transfer just doesn't seem to be modeled well. Sure GPL may be "touchy" but at least weight shifts when you put in throttle or brake and it rewards smoothness, like in real life. JB "Jan Mancuzzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (27 lines)> I have driven nascar sportsman (now defunct), top fuel dragsters, > various doorcar dragcars, some gymkhana corvette races, and vintage > racing at road atlanta in a cobra kitcar and a 50's american one-off > custom roadracer. > > Of all the sims, SCGT is most realistic, followed by a rally game I > cant remember at the moment, and (and I know this is going to get > boo'd but..) Motorhead. Motorhead was off on velocity, but the > "sensation'' of speed and car dynamics were pretty good. > > Although SCGT is good, it is WAY OFF at times. In a real racer, you > drive 30% with the pedals and 70% with the wheel. Open wheel outlaws > drive more than that with the throttle... SCGT will spin you out at > the weirdest times, and it shows very strong favoritism to the > Porsches. The Saleens are the worst modeled IMHO. That car is a bit > topheavy yes, but not as much as they model it.. nor is it as > sluggish. You stab the gas in a real 500hp mustang, and I guarantee > its will move a lot faster than the scgt one... > > the GT1 cars are very well done, as are a few of the lower classes. It > is the best though, period. > > GPL is tooo touchy in my opinion, but it is excellent, for the > atmosphere and explaining that not all racecars were stuck to the > ground with gumball tires and downforce out the ass. > > Jan
In article <gYSB5.2430$[email hidden]>, "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote: > 125cc shifter karts this past year and nextyear will be doing the > Bridgestone racing series at Mosport...arriveand drive F2000s. > > Jesse Black I have many friends racing locally 125cc shifter, one of them brought this weekend an Italian guy named Chiccone or Chiccote (something like that) and his mechanic. He is world champ or something. lito Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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