Shucks, I don't have an OpenGL card!
Todd Wasson
Ruud van Gaal releases an alpha of his Racer car sim
Ruud van Gaal released a very early Win32 build of his hobby car physics program, later known as Racer, needing OpenGL in a window. Testers reported crashes that turned out to require the separate source archive, compatibility with various cards, missing sound and an 11th-gear bug, and encouraged him to continue.
Automated summary.
Hi all,
Thanks to all the help here, I'm getting forward with my car physics
simulation program. If you like, you can have a look at:
http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/index.htm
It still is very alpha alpha alpha ofcourse, but it does something.
You'll need Win32 and a 3D card that does OpenGL in a window.
I hope it works a bit on some systems; I myself use a Voodoo Banshee
with the 1.02.02 beta drivers on Win2000. I develop on an SGI O2
though.
Oh, before I forget, use the mouse for now to steer and push throttle
etc.
Thanks,
Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53
MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl
Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery
"Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Whoops! (Insert sound of hand slapping forehead).
Sorry Ruud - I did indeed miss the fact that you needed to download the
source as well.......Having done so, it all works fine. Sorry if I wasted
your time on a spurious bug-hunt.
Ian
Ian Riches
Bedford, UK
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> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:18:19 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > >In article <8oief3$aqkga$[email hidden]>, > > "Ian Riches" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> Crashes out on the machine I tried it on.... > > > >I got exactly the error Ian describes (even down to the same > >addresses) until I downloaded the source archive and unzipped > >it to the same directory as the exe. It does say you need > >to do this on the web page if you read carefully! > > Phew, hehe, that means I'm still bugfree :) > Thanks for the report! >"Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Crashes out on the machine I tried it on....a k6-2 300 with Elsa Victory
Erazor (Riva 128 chip) card, 128MB, Win95 OSR2, DX7a etc. The machine has
no sound card (it's an old & basic workhorse) .
If you're interested, the error message was as follows:
RACER caused an invalid page fault in
module RACER.EXE at 016f:00402b7a.
Registers:
EAX=cdcdce55 CS=016f EIP=00402b7a EFLGS=00010296
EBX=00580000 SS=0177 ESP=0068fc74 EBP=0068fc78
ECX=cdcdce55 DS=0177 ESI=81738f70 FS=37cf
EDX=00000084 ES=0177 EDI=00000000 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
dd 00 8b e5 5d c3 cc cc cc cc cc cc cc cc cc cc
Stack dump:
cdcdce55 0068fc88 00402d17 00812120 cdcdcdcd 0068fcfc 00404936 0068fca8
0068fca0 0068fcfc 00000000 00000084 00810c30 00000014 0068fcdc 3f333333
Hope this means more to you than me!
Ian
Ian Riches
Bedford, UK
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> Hi all, > > Thanks to all the help here, I'm getting forward with my car physics > simulation program. If you like, you can have a look at: > > http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/index.htm > > It still is very alpha alpha alpha ofcourse, but it does something. > You'll need Win32 and a 3D card that does OpenGL in a window. > > I hope it works a bit on some systems; I myself use a Voodoo Banshee > with the 1.02.02 beta drivers on Win2000. I develop on an SGI O2 > though. >In article <8oief3$aqkga$[email hidden]>,
"Ian Riches" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Crashes out on the machine I tried it on....
I got exactly the error Ian describes (even down to the same
addresses) until I downloaded the source archive and unzipped
it to the same directory as the exe. It does say you need
to do this on the web page if you read carefully!
Andy
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Before you buy.
Very nice Ruud,
Maybe RAS will get around to coding it's own sim someday.
Jan.
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Ruud van Gaal wrote...
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks to all the help here, <snip>
It's very hard to make any kind of judgement at this extremely early point,
but I think it shows definite promise :) Your driving model is already way
better than Need For Speed:High Pants or whatever it was called.
(works fine on a GeForce 2 btw)
"Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
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> Hi all, > > Thanks to all the help here, I'm getting forward with my car physics > simulation program. If you like, you can have a look at: > > http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/index.htm > > It still is very alpha alpha alpha ofcourse, but it does something. > You'll need Win32 and a 3D card that does OpenGL in a window. > > I hope it works a bit on some systems; I myself use a Voodoo Banshee > with the 1.02.02 beta drivers on Win2000. I develop on an SGI O2 > though. > > Oh, before I forget, use the mouse for now to steer and push throttle > etc. > > Thanks, > > Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53 > MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl > Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/galleryOn Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:59:59 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal)
wrote:
>Oh, before I forget, use the mouse for now to steer and push throttle
>etc.
IT SUCKS! They're no tobacco adds on the car!!
:)
Nice job Ruud, keep working on it, maybe we'll see GPL2 someday after
all...
Andre
>Thanks,
>
>Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53
>MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl
>Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:59:59 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal)
wrote:
>http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/index.htm
Works perfectly on a V3/3000 in Windows ME.
You're a talented guy, Ruud. Keep up the great work! (nice art, too)
~daxe
On 29 Aug 2000 23:39:00 GMT, [email hidden] (JTW62074) wrote:
> Shucks, I don't have an OpenGL card!
Ouch! :)
Try the software driver. The more software, the better it *should* do
windowed OpenGL. I've used a laptop here a month ago which did OpenGL
nicely (with the same code I use in Racer), although it was a 2D card.
Windowed.
And try www.glsetup.com perhaps, although that's probably 3D-card
only. But if you can run the WinNT OpenGL screensavers, I'd say it
should be possible.
I have a V2 lying around, I'll tuck it into my home system (P-133,
64Mb) and perhaps get it working using ChangeDisplaySettings(). But
it's not exactly my first priority. Besides, that computer is 10 kms
away from here, and I can't compile on it.
Oh, btw, the timing of the alpha is a bit whacky; it's fixed (in
debug.ini) at 0.01s per rendered frame (so it's intentionally slomo).
Halfway between integrating internally and rendering at each
integration step.
If you comment out the line timing.fixed_timespan, it will use
realtime, but since time steps are currently too large then (a
timestep=the time between rendered frames), instability of all the
forces occurs and a stillstanding car jiggles a lot.
Ok, slipvector time tonight. ;)
Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53
MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl
Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:51:24 +0100, "Ian Riches"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>"Ruud van Gaal" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>news:[email hidden]...
>> Thanks to all the help here, I'm getting forward with my car physics
>> simulation program. If you like, you can have a look at:
>>
>> http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/index.htm...
Hm, my first try at interpreting this number in MSVC++. The address is
somewhere in my QVector3 class, at "double GetX() const { return x; }"
fld qword ptr [eax]
qword is probably a double pointer, fld = floating point load (I
guess). So probably a dangling pointer to a vector (eax=0xcdcdce55,
doesn't LOOK like a ptr) of which I'm trying to get the X coordinate.
Strange though, since I only use vector *pointers* in the camera
routines (press 1-4 for some camera angles).
Might be some memory overwriting thing. I'll keep it in mind, but
don't see an obvious bug sofar. Thanks for reporting though. Retry
again at a later time, so your memory is a bit shuffled. ;-) (no
really, this makes a difference)
I happen to have a Win95 OSR2 on my system (multiboot). I'll try the
exe tonight on that OS, see what it does here.
It didn't before today, now it does. :)
Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53
MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl
Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery
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>Crashes out on the machine I tried it on....a k6-2 300 with Elsa Victory >Erazor (Riva 128 chip) card, 128MB, Win95 OSR2, DX7a etc. The machine has >no sound card (it's an old & basic workhorse) . > >If you're interested, the error message was as follows: > >RACER caused an invalid page fault in >module RACER.EXE at 016f:00402b7a.Quoted text (12 lines)
>Registers: >EAX=cdcdce55 CS=016f EIP=00402b7a EFLGS=00010296 >EBX=00580000 SS=0177 ESP=0068fc74 EBP=0068fc78 >ECX=cdcdce55 DS=0177 ESI=81738f70 FS=37cf >EDX=00000084 ES=0177 EDI=00000000 GS=0000 >Bytes at CS:EIP: >dd 00 8b e5 5d c3 cc cc cc cc cc cc cc cc cc cc >Stack dump: >cdcdce55 0068fc88 00402d17 00812120 cdcdcdcd 0068fcfc 00404936 0068fca8 >0068fca0 0068fcfc 00000000 00000084 00810c30 00000014 0068fcdc 3f333333 > >Hope this means more to you than me!On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:18:19 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:
Phew, hehe, that means I'm still bugfree :)
Thanks for the report!
Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53
MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl
Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery
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>In article <8oief3$aqkga$[email hidden]>, > "Ian Riches" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Crashes out on the machine I tried it on.... > >I got exactly the error Ian describes (even down to the same >addresses) until I downloaded the source archive and unzipped >it to the same directory as the exe. It does say you need >to do this on the web page if you read carefully!I don't know if I'm correct but I think my Voodoo 3 2000 can do OpenGl
in full screen but not in window. Anyone knows ?
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>On 29 Aug 2000 23:39:00 GMT, [email hidden] (JTW62074) wrote: > >> Shucks, I don't have an OpenGL card! > >Ouch! :) >Try the software driver. The more software, the better it *should* do >windowed OpenGL. I've used a laptop here a month ago which did OpenGL >nicely (with the same code I use in Racer), although it was a 2D card. >Windowed. >And try www.glsetup.com perhaps, although that's probably 3D-card >only. But if you can run the WinNT OpenGL screensavers, I'd say it >should be possible. > >I have a V2 lying around, I'll tuck it into my home system (P-133, >64Mb) and perhaps get it working using ChangeDisplaySettings(). But >it's not exactly my first priority. Besides, that computer is 10 kms >away from here, and I can't compile on it. > >Oh, btw, the timing of the alpha is a bit whacky; it's fixed (in >debug.ini) at 0.01s per rendered frame (so it's intentionally slomo). >Halfway between integrating internally and rendering at each >integration step. >If you comment out the line timing.fixed_timespan, it will use >realtime, but since time steps are currently too large then (a >timestep=the time between rendered frames), instability of all the >forces occurs and a stillstanding car jiggles a lot. > >Ok, slipvector time tonight. ;) > > >Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53 >MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl >Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/galleryOn Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:22:29 GMT, Robert <[email hidden]> wrote:
>I don't know if I'm correct but I think my Voodoo 3 2000 can do OpenGl
>in full screen but not in window. Anyone knows ?
I believe it does OpenGL in a window, but not Glide.
~daxe
Awesome stuff here! I've wanted to work on something like this myself for some
time, but, alas, I doesn't have the skillz. Glad to know someone is taking the
initiative to build something that's somewhat open and such.
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GPLRank: +15.49
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http://members.tripod.com/~morganv/
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Ruud van Gaal <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks to all the help here, I'm getting forward with my car physics
> simulation program. If you like, you can have a look at:
>
> http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/index.htm
>
> It still is very alpha alpha alpha ofcourse, but it does something.
> You'll need Win32 and a 3D card that does OpenGL in a window.
>
> I hope it works a bit on some systems; I myself use a Voodoo Banshee
> with the 1.02.02 beta drivers on Win2000. I develop on an SGI O2
> though.
>
> Oh, before I forget, use the mouse for now to steer and push throttle
> etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53
> MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl
> Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery
>
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:20:15 GMT, "Morgan V. Wooten�"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Awesome stuff here! I've wanted to work on something like this myself for some
>time, but, alas, I doesn't have the skillz. Glad to know someone is taking the
>initiative to build something that's somewhat open and such.
Also visit http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/paulhoad/glGP/index.html
JoH
No sound with SB Live! value...
Marko
Ruud van Gaal <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi all, > > Thanks to all the help here, I'm getting forward with my car physics > simulation program. If you like, you can have a look at: > > http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/index.htm > > It still is very alpha alpha alpha ofcourse, but it does something. > You'll need Win32 and a 3D card that does OpenGL in a window. > > I hope it works a bit on some systems; I myself use a Voodoo Banshee > with the 1.02.02 beta drivers on Win2000. I develop on an SGI O2 > though. > > Oh, before I forget, use the mouse for now to steer and push throttle > etc. > > Thanks, > > Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53 > MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl > Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/galleryOn Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:55:48 GMT, [email hidden] (Jo Helsen)
wrote:
The URL doesn't seem to work at this time. A typo perhaps?
Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53
MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl
Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery
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>On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:20:15 GMT, "Morgan V. Wooten�" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Awesome stuff here! I've wanted to work on something like this myself for some >>time, but, alas, I doesn't have the skillz. Glad to know someone is taking the >>initiative to build something that's somewhat open and such. > >Also visit http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/paulhoad/glGP/index.htmlOn Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:10:40 +0300, "Marko Aaltonen"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>No sound with SB Live! value...
That's correct. Haven't implemented sound on Win32 yet (need to dive
into DirectAudio someday). The SGI version does have sound though,
although I didn't supply a .wav file (I use a probably copyrighted
ferrari.wav sample currently). But it's prematurely, just engine
sound, no skids or nice stuff until it gets to the top of things to
do.
Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53
MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl
Pencil art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery
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> >Marko >Ruud van Gaal <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Thanks to all the help here, I'm getting forward with my car physics >> simulation program. If you like, you can have a look at: >> >> http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/index.htmOn Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:16:16 GMT, [email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal)
wrote:
>On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:55:48 GMT, [email hidden] (Jo Helsen)
>wrote:
>>Also visit http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/paulhoad/glGP/index.html
>
>The URL doesn't seem to work at this time. A typo perhaps?
Keep trying. It's XOOM. Works _sometimes_ :-)
JoH
You have to be very, very patient. Try http://www.hoad.org but that just points you
to the Xoom link. It will work.
Jason.
Ruud van Gaal wrote:
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http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL, Fun Run Sims)
http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting.
(Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)
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> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:55:48 GMT, [email hidden] (Jo Helsen) > wrote: > > >Also visit http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/paulhoad/glGP/index.html > > The URL doesn't seem to work at this time. A typo perhaps? > > Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53[email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote:
>Phew, hehe, that means I'm still bugfree :)
<g>....try selecting the 11th gear.....great effort, by the way!
Remco
On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:03:22 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt)
wrote:
>[email hidden] (Ruud van Gaal) wrote:
>
>>Phew, hehe, that means I'm still bugfree :)
>
><g>....try selecting the 11th gear.....great effort, by the way!
Ah wow, hehe. I didn't compile the debug version (which asserts gears
above #gears out) indeed on Win32 and was lazy implementing a limit
where I handle the gear keys. Will change that. :)
Ruud van Gaal, GPL Rank +53.53
MarketGraph : http://www.marketgraph.nl
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
Car simulation: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/
