In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown
<[email hidden]> writes:
I'd *almost* volunteer to do it, but I wouldn't have a CLUE how... I think
Michael Carver used to post FAQs fairly regularly...
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Repeated questions and the need for a RAS FAQ
A GPL newcomer asked why his car rolled away at idle and was told to select neutral, prompting complaints that the same questions recur. Barton Brown proposed a community FAQ; Michael Carver, who had maintained one, said it was much work and little read, and the two exchanged insults.
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Owen Pilson wrote:
or new to the game??
Race on ...Ruud
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> > Is it me or do the same threads appear every few weeks > surely people arent that forgetful > oz. > > "G-Loc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zw_q5.16703$[email hidden]... > > Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pits > idling > > and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let it idle > > again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks at higher > > rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > > > G-Loc > > > >Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pits idling
and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let it idle
again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks at higher
rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks.
G-Loc
uhhhhhhhh, put it in neutral.
G-Loc <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pitsidling
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> and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let it idle > again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks at higher > rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > G-Loc > >in the pits, hold the shifter down while in 1st to get neutral
G-Loc <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pitsidling
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> and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let it idle > again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks at higher > rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > G-Loc > >Is it me or do the same threads appear every few weeks
surely people arent that forgetful
oz.
"G-Loc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pitsidling
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> and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let it idle > again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks at higher > rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > G-Loc > >I believe that's what caused DC to hit the wall some years ago when entering
the pit lane at Adelaide in his Williams.
No, you want to know what's really stupid, run out of fuel and just hear the
volume of the engine go down.
"G-Loc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pitsidling
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> and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let it idle > again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks at higher > rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > G-Loc > >the game was just released here in the states, so i'm sure we have some
newbies.
Ruud <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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idle
> > > again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks athigher
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> Owen Pilson wrote: > > > > Is it me or do the same threads appear every few weeks > > surely people arent that forgetful > > oz. > > > > "G-Loc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:zw_q5.16703$[email hidden]... > > > Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pits > > idling > > > and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let itQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > > > > > G-Loc > > > > > > > > or new to the game?? > > Race on ...RuudWhy can't you guys just help someone out with a normal answer? Some folks
around here are real "Wise Guys". The guy's just looking for help not a
wise-ass remark.
Sal V.
"rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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higher
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> uhhhhhhhh, put it in neutral. > > G-Loc <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zw_q5.16703$[email hidden]... > > Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pits > idling > > and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let it idle > > again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks atQuoted text (7 lines)
> > rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > > > G-Loc > > > > > >Owen Pilson wrote:
>
> Is it me or do the same threads appear every few weeks
> surely people arent that forgetful
> oz.
Well, people *are* that forgetful, but also there are new people in here
week after week, and people who return after long absences.
What would be great is if some of the truly knowledgeable in here could
put a few FAQs together, and point people to them. While I know it would
be impossible to get people to agree on certain technical matters, there
are some things (latest patches, versions, setups, tracks, carsets,
etc., with appropriate links, for all the major PC racing sims) that
would be of immense help, along with archived discussions of the pros
and cons of various boards, chips, controllers, modifications,
peripherals... Also, a page of links to all the racing sim sites,
commercial and personal.
I don't know who in here would be interested in doing it (I would, if I
knew anything, but I don't), but what a great resource it would be!
BB
In article <zw_q5.16703$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
Either put it in neutral or hold the gear changer in (don't let go of
it). The latter only applies if you have "use gear change" in
controls/advanced/clutch enabled.
Johan N
[email hidden]
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> Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pits idling > and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let it idle > again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks at higher > rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > G-Loc > > >because thats the answer wiseass
Sal V. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:Jx9r5.1268$[email hidden]...
idle
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> Why can't you guys just help someone out with a normal answer? Some folks > around here are real "Wise Guys". The guy's just looking for help not a > wise-ass remark. > > Sal V. > > "rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%I_q5.21804$[email hidden]... > > uhhhhhhhh, put it in neutral. > > > > G-Loc <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:zw_q5.16703$[email hidden]... > > > Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pits > > idling > > > and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let itQuoted text (11 lines)
> > > again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks at > higher > > > rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > > > > > G-Loc > > > > > > > > > > > >
Even in neutral the RPM are considerably higher than when the engine was
first started, as if the throttle is stuck.
G-Loc
"rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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higher
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> uhhhhhhhh, put it in neutral. > > G-Loc <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zw_q5.16703$[email hidden]... > > Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pits > idling > > and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let it idle > > again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks atQuoted text (7 lines)
> > rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > > > G-Loc > > > > > >There is a FAQ I believe at www.faqs.org (surprisingly!) for RAS. I do
think it is a bit out of date though. There is also Deja.com which has an
archive of Usenet going back to..........well a long time ago. Problem with
Deja is that you have to trawl through a hell of alot of posts before you
find what you are looking for. This can be very frustrating when doing a
search for a topic because quite often the thread will go off topic after
the second post and there will be a hundred irrelevent postings under that
heading. IMO I don't think Deja has a very user friendly interface either.
Maybe a site of FAQ's for the various sims mentioned here would be a good
idea, it would have to be constantly updated though.
On the other hand is it really that terrible that some questions get asked
over again? I think it's something we can all live with at it's present
levels.
Chrsi
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Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Owen Pilson wrote:
> >
> > Is it me or do the same threads appear every few weeks
> > surely people arent that forgetful
> > oz.
>
> Well, people *are* that forgetful, but also there are new people in here
> week after week, and people who return after long absences.
>
> What would be great is if some of the truly knowledgeable in here could
> put a few FAQs together, and point people to them. While I know it would
> be impossible to get people to agree on certain technical matters, there
> are some things (latest patches, versions, setups, tracks, carsets,
> etc., with appropriate links, for all the major PC racing sims) that
> would be of immense help, along with archived discussions of the pros
> and cons of various boards, chips, controllers, modifications,
> peripherals... Also, a page of links to all the racing sim sites,
> commercial and personal.
>
> I don't know who in here would be interested in doing it (I would, if I
> knew anything, but I don't), but what a great resource it would be!
>
> BB
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:29:07 +0200, "Chris Bloom"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>On the other hand is it really that terrible that some questions get asked
>over again? I think it's something we can all live with at it's present
>levels.
Besides, it gives lots of us an opportunity to sound like we know what
we're talking about!! LOL
Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL
Harjan Brand wrote:
>
> I believe that's what caused DC to hit the wall some years ago when entering
> the pit lane at Adelaide in his Williams.
>
> No, you want to know what's really stupid, run out of fuel and just hear the
> volume of the engine go down.
You mean like Barichello did last sunday? Or was that something else.
Did you notice how really really no-candy-today-dissapointed-boy these
red Italians in the pitscrew know how to look. I really (almost) felt
sorry for them.... :-&
Ursa..
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I noticed something similar, but I feel it is programed in. If the car is put
into gear it rolls. Natural or it would stall. Possibly because of the high
revving engines, the car continues to accelerate slightly?
Or. I'm full of it and it's another bug.
G-Loc wrote:
> Maybe it is my wheel (Thrustmaster GP1) but, the car sits in the pits idling
> and as soon as I put it in gear and accelerate lightly, then let it idle
> again the car rolls off gaining speed as if the throttle sticks at higher
> rpms. Any suggestions? Thanks.
>
> G-Loc
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:16:20 GMT Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:
% Well, people *are* that forgetful, but also there are new people in here
% week after week, and people who return after long absences.
% What would be great is if some of the truly knowledgeable in here could
% put a few FAQs together, and point people to them. While I know it would
% be impossible to get people to agree on certain technical matters, there
% are some things (latest patches, versions, setups, tracks, carsets,
% etc., with appropriate links, for all the major PC racing sims) that
% would be of immense help, along with archived discussions of the pros
% and cons of various boards, chips, controllers, modifications,
% peripherals... Also, a page of links to all the racing sim sites,
% commercial and personal.
Uhhhh "all the racing sim sites....." You gotta be joking. What it
sounds like you want is a tutorial on how to use the Internet. How to
use a search engine (which search engine is the best and how to get the
results you want).
Here are my current top favorite search engines:
http://www.google.com
http://www.fast-search.com
For past discussions here in r.a.s. use:
http://www.deja.com/usenet (one can do an power search and limit it to
r.a.s.).
For some time I did post an introductory FAQ to r.a.s. and no one read
it (except to use it to "educate" those that posted binaries to the
group <G>).
I also posted Alison's GPL FAQ on a regular basis (along with F1RS's FAQ
but was told not to so they could get web hits instead). Didn't seem to
help keep the FAQ from being asked....
While I think it maybe needed to repost the introductory FAQ on a
regular basis, taking on the chore of an all encompassing FAQ that you
outline would be a 24-hour-a-day 7-days-a-week task. And sorta
redundant since most of the answers could be found by using a decent
search engine or deja news.
Oh, and I won't even mention the anti-spam mail I got deluged with for
the posting the FAQ <G>
% I don't know who in here would be interested in doing it (I would, if I
% knew anything, but I don't), but what a great resource it would be!
% BB
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:29:07 +0200 Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote:
% There is a FAQ I believe at www.faqs.org (surprisingly!) for RAS. I do
% think it is a bit out of date though. There is also Deja.com which has an
% archive of Usenet going back to..........well a long time ago. Problem with
% Deja is that you have to trawl through a hell of alot of posts before you
% find what you are looking for. This can be very frustrating when doing a
% search for a topic because quite often the thread will go off topic after
% the second post and there will be a hundred irrelevent postings under that
% heading. IMO I don't think Deja has a very user friendly interface either.
hehehe.... you mean r.a.s. has a better track record of staying on topic
<G> We have some really lame threads going on here that should have
been squashed 100 threads earlier. Do you use the power search for deja
news?
% Maybe a site of FAQ's for the various sims mentioned here would be a good
% idea, it would have to be constantly updated though.
I think that would be great. We used to have some dedicated folks about
that did that (GP2, ICR2, NASCAR2, etc.). But of late, Alison seems to
have been the only one to put together and maintain a great FAQ for GPL.
% On the other hand is it really that terrible that some questions get asked
% over again? I think it's something we can all live with at it's present
% levels.
I find repeated questions being asked over and over again alot easier to
take than the flaming and mindless chatter that goes way off-topic (and
it's been rampant on r.a.s. of late).
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"\"Michael E. Carver\" mcarver"@teleport.com wrote:
> > Uhhhh "all the racing sim sites....." You gotta be joking. What it
> sounds like you want is a tutorial on how to use the Internet. How to
> use a search engine (which search engine is the best and how to get the
> results you want).
Gee, Michael -- sorry I peed in your Cheerios. And no, I wasn't joking.
This may be difficult to accept, but you're not the only certified web
genius who actually knows how to use search engines ("DogPile"is my
current primary). And if I was so bereft of intelligence that I needed a
" tutorial on how to use the Internet", I'm afraid *your* name wouldn't
even appear in the top 1.6 billion of my short list of "who ya gonna
call".
I'm sorry your Herculean efforts at creating and maintaining a FAQ for
this NG didn't garner you the fame, stardom, and personal satisfaction
you no doubt deserve -- that does *not* however make such an enterprise
less useful to those who actually might benefit from it in a more
practical way.
Let me give you the example of rec.models.scale, the newsgroup for scale
model builders:
This NG serves model builders from every genre; aircraft, armor, space,
vehicles, figures, etc., and the multitudinous disciplines necessary for
the hobby: painting, scale research, what adhesive for what material,
paint stripping, resin casting, making photoetched metal parts,
weathering, diorama construction...
The NG produces, archives, and updates literally scores of FAQs. They
post a URL to those FAQs every single day, and one of the most
oft-repeated messages seen every day in rms is "There's a FAQ for that;
here's the URL). Believe me, rms generates far more FAQs than I proposed
for ras -- which makes sense: it's a far bigger ng, with a more diverse
culture. And BTW, one of the most-used FAQs is a *LINKS* page, which has
hotlinks to many commercial and personal modeling sites -- you know,
like the "racing sim sites" links page you thought was so moronic.
Arguments about which sim/board/chip/steering wheel/etc. are largely
matters of opinion. There are, however, scores of questions asked in
here that are quite straightforward, and could be easily answered in a
FAQ, without you flicking the snot off your nose at the "clueless"
questioner and directing them to a search engine.
If you're too lazy or stupid to do it, as I am, then at least have the
huevos to say so, instead of wrapping yourself in this saran-wrap
"Webbier Than Though" toga and shooing away the great unwashed in the
direction of a search engine.
What a pompous ass.
BB
On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:43:29 GMT Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:
% "\"Michael E. Carver\" mcarver"@teleport.com wrote:
% > > Uhhhh "all the racing sim sites....." You gotta be joking. What it
% > sounds like you want is a tutorial on how to use the Internet. How to
% > use a search engine (which search engine is the best and how to get the
% > results you want).
Oh don't worry I don't eat Cheerios <G>
% Gee, Michael -- sorry I peed in your Cheerios. And no, I wasn't joking.
% This may be difficult to accept, but you're not the only certified web
% genius who actually knows how to use search engines ("DogPile"is my
% current primary). And if I was so bereft of intelligence that I needed a
% " tutorial on how to use the Internet", I'm afraid *your* name wouldn't
% even appear in the top 1.6 billion of my short list of "who ya gonna
% call".
But you do gotta be joking about "all of the racing sim sites".... This
would be a full time job. Finding new sites, deleting ones that have
gone belly up..... Deciding which sites to include or not include (the
french pits?). Why re-invent the wheel. There are some good sites out
there that have some good links to other sites. BTW: Dogpile is good
for showing you the weaknesses of the search engines it uses.
And what the hell is the need for flaming? This attitude was uncalled
for....
% I'm sorry your Herculean efforts at creating and maintaining a FAQ for
% this NG didn't garner you the fame, stardom, and personal satisfaction
% you no doubt deserve -- that does *not* however make such an enterprise
% less useful to those who actually might benefit from it in a more
% practical way.
My my my,,,,, knickers in a twist? It had nothing to do with fame,
etc..... It all boiled down to to time...... I found that I could
contribute to the group in other ways with my time..... The FAQ wasn't
doing it's job (why because there was no support from the group). No
one (other than Alison) was maintaining or creating a sim related FAQ.
Without FAQs for the top discussed and played sims an FAQ for this group
is useless.
However, you are more than welcome to take on the task and organize a
FAQ for this group.....
% If you're too lazy or stupid to do it, as I am, then at least have the
% huevos to say so, instead of wrapping yourself in this saran-wrap
% "Webbier Than Though" toga and shooing away the great unwashed in the
% direction of a search engine.
% What a pompous ass.
Again, why the attitude? It was my opinion, having participated in this
group for must of its usenet life. I certainly don't understand what I
could have said that you must make such a personal attack on me, but what
the hell, you are welcome to show your true nature.....
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"\"Michael E. Carver\" mcarver"@teleport.com wrote:
> but what the hell, you are welcome to show your true nature.....
Gee thanks for the invite. My true nature? Bite me, doughboy! How's that?
BB
In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown
<[email hidden]> writes:
Wow, why jump on Michael? He basically said it was a LOT of work, nobody read
the thing, and (most of)the info is available with a web search. Was that so
horrible of a thing to say?
I've never maintained a FAQ. But, with the tons of different questions that
get asked here, I can only IMAGINE the workload to keep it current. I'm not
sure ANYONE would have time to do it...
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