New F12000 rain-patch, soon to be released...

Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch. Awsome that we'll get a box along with it. To bad it's not a free lunch. /Carl (the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe it until now)

How about a new box? ;-) Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> skrev i en nyhedsmeddelelse:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch.Awsome

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> >that we'll get a box along with it. > >To bad it's not a free lunch. > > I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely > there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? > > Andre > > >/Carl > >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but > >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe

it > >until now) > > > > >

Which new tracks would they be then? F12k already has all the year 2000 tracks. Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch.Awsome

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> >that we'll get a box along with it. > >To bad it's not a free lunch. > > I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely > there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? > > Andre > > >/Carl > >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but > >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe

it > >until now) > > > > >

Which new tracks would they be then? F12k already has all the year 2000 tracks. Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch.Awsome

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> >that we'll get a box along with it. > >To bad it's not a free lunch. > > I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely > there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? > > Andre > > >/Carl > >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but > >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe

it > >until now) > > > > >

Which new tracks would they be then? F12k already has all the year 2000 tracks. Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch.Awsome

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> >that we'll get a box along with it. > >To bad it's not a free lunch. > > I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely > there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? > > Andre > > >/Carl > >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but > >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe

it > >until now) > > > > >

"R4" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ok48l$o63$[email hidden]... > Which new tracks would they be then? F12k already has all the year 2000 > tracks. Maybe they'll have the newly modified Monza? Surely that's worth the price of a retail expansion pack. :-/

Hey, good point, I didn't think of that. Apologies for the multi-post, Oulook express told me it wasn't posting. liar. Gault <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ok6bm$of8$[email hidden]...

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> > "R4" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8ok48l$o63$[email hidden]... > > Which new tracks would they be then? F12k already has all the year 2000 > > tracks. > > Maybe they'll have the newly modified Monza? Surely that's worth the price > of a retail expansion pack. :-/ > >

It's not unusual for EA to release several versions of the same game with only a few modifications. Their FIFA range usually gets released in at least two differant boxes a year. Their Cricket World Cup 1999 was rereleased as Cricket 2000 this year and they even mentioned on the box (in very small writing) that is was the same game plus a few extras. I havn't even mentioned the golf games! I have no doubt that they will release an enhanced version of F1 2000, apart from the rain I'm sure the rest we would expect to find in a patch. Chris Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch.Awsome

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> >that we'll get a box along with it. > >To bad it's not a free lunch. > > I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely > there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? > > Andre > > >/Carl > >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but > >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe

it > >until now) > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.177 / Virus Database: 86 - Release Date: 00/08/07

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:08:02 +0100, "R4" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Which new tracks would they be then? F12k already has all the year 2000 >tracks. I don't know, maybe some tracks that are not in the 2000 season for example, I was merely stating that I can't believe EA will ask money for only a rain patch. Andre

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>Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch. >Awsome >> >that we'll get a box along with it. >> >To bad it's not a free lunch. >> >> I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely >> there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? >> >> Andre >> >> >/Carl >> >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but >> >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe >it >> >until now) >> > >> > >> >

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:08:02 +0100, "R4" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Which new tracks would they be then? F12k already has all the year 2000 >tracks. I don't know, maybe some tracks that are not in the 2000 season for example, I was merely stating that I can't believe EA will ask money for only a rain patch. Andre

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>Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch. >Awsome >> >that we'll get a box along with it. >> >To bad it's not a free lunch. >> >> I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely >> there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? >> >> Andre >> >> >/Carl >> >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but >> >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe >it >> >until now) >> > >> > >> >

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:08:02 +0100, "R4" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Which new tracks would they be then? F12k already has all the year 2000 >tracks. I don't know, maybe some tracks that are not in the 2000 season for example, I was merely stating that I can't believe EA will ask money for only a rain patch. Andre (who is getting Deja Vu's lately)

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>Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch. >Awsome >> >that we'll get a box along with it. >> >To bad it's not a free lunch. >> >> I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely >> there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? >> >> Andre >> >> >/Carl >> >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but >> >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe >it >> >until now) >> > >> > >> >

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch. Awsome >that we'll get a box along with it. >To bad it's not a free lunch. I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? Andre >/Carl >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe it >until now) > >

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > I can't believe EA will ask money > for only a rain patch. They ask for money every year for their NFL/NBA/NHL patches.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:56:00 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely >there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? You will also get improved AI and....??? -- Slacker

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch. Awsome >that we'll get a box along with it. >To bad it's not a free lunch. Will the box be wet? Martin Long Live Nigle Mansell!

>I don't know, maybe some tracks that are not in the 2000 season for >example, I was merely stating that I can't believe EA will ask money >for only a rain patch. It worked for Geoff Crammond :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch.Awsome > >that we'll get a box along with it. > >To bad it's not a free lunch. > > I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely > there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? Why not? Microprose did. And that is about the only cool change to GP2... -- [email hidden] > Andre > > >/Carl > >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but > >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe it > >until now) > > > > >

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> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:08:02 +0100, "R4" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Which new tracks would they be then? F12k already has all the year 2000 > >tracks. > > > I don't know, maybe some tracks that are not in the 2000 season for > example, I was merely stating that I can't believe EA will ask money > for only a rain patch. > > Andre (who is getting Deja Vu's lately)

And why exactly did you have to do the same response to every one of his posts? -- [email hidden] > >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch. > >Awsome > >> >that we'll get a box along with it. > >> >To bad it's not a free lunch. > >> > >> I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely > >> there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? > >> > >> Andre > >> > >> >/Carl > >> >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but > >> >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe > >it > >> >until now) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

You mean, apart from the high resolution graphics, improved handling (especially at the limit), much improved and agressive AI, FF, virtual cockpit with visible front wheels, lit road surface (during good weather)? Greg Cisko wrote: > > Why not? Microprose did. And that is about the only cool change to > GP2... >

And apart from the after-race graph with the evolution of the positions, 6 DOF, background graphics, differential, engine temperature, LAN play (hmmmm.... :-) )... JoH On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:03:12 +0200, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>You mean, apart from the high resolution graphics, improved handling >(especially at the limit), much improved and agressive AI, FF, virtual >cockpit with visible front wheels, lit road surface (during good >weather)? > >Greg Cisko wrote: >> >> Why not? Microprose did. And that is about the only cool change to >> GP2... >>

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> > And apart from the after-race graph with the evolution of the > positions, 6 DOF, background graphics, differential, engine > temperature, LAN play (hmmmm.... :-) )... > > JoH >

Sure, but we were talking about cool features. People who want cool features do not notice such unimportant details that are not immediately apparent ;). -Gregor

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:56:30 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:08:02 +0100, "R4" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >Which new tracks would they be then? F12k already has all the year 2000 >> >tracks. >> >> >> I don't know, maybe some tracks that are not in the 2000 season for >> example, I was merely stating that I can't believe EA will ask money >> for only a rain patch. >> >> Andre (who is getting Deja Vu's lately) > >And why exactly did you have to do the same response to every one of his >posts?

The original message was posted three times, I answered him three times, then mentioned the Deja Vu thingy... ok, it was a very weak attempt for some humor. When you try to explain it it only gets weaker... Andre > >-- > >[email hidden]

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:54:37 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch. >Awsome >> >that we'll get a box along with it. >> >To bad it's not a free lunch. >> >> I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely >> there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? > >Why not? Microprose did. And that is about the only cool change to >GP2...

You forgot the next box Greg. And some pages from the manual are different compared to the GP2 manual. All the GP2 references have been changed with GP3 for example. It's not as bad as you claim it to be Greg, imho ofcourse, but after a week I didn't touch GP3 again. Andre

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> > >-- > >[email hidden] > > > >> Andre >> >> >/Carl >> >(the guy who said earlier this year that EA doesn't patch games, but >> >releases new versions, wasn't to far off, was he? I didn't just believe >it >> >until now) >> > >> > >> > >

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:24:21 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: >You forgot the next box Greg. And some pages from the manual are next box should be new box :) Andre >different compared to the GP2 manual. All the GP2 references have been >changed with GP3 for example. >It's not as bad as you claim it to be Greg, imho ofcourse, but after a >week I didn't touch GP3 again. > >Andre

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> > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch. Awsome > >that we'll get a box along with it. > >To bad it's not a free lunch. > > I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely > there will be some new tracks or something like that included then?

Yeah, they should include the real 2000 F1 tracks this time, not those fantasy tracks that came in the first box! ;^) Seriously, as no new tracks are added for this season, what new tracks should they include? -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Gregor Veble wrote: > > You mean, apart from the high resolution graphics, improved handling > (especially at the limit), much improved and agressive AI, FF, virtual > cockpit with visible front wheels, lit road surface (during good > weather)? Don't bother, he's just trolling... We all know, who the hell HE is. ;) > > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > Why not? Microprose did. And that is about the only cool change to > > GP2... > > -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

To name a few!! -- Todd S "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You mean, apart from the high resolution graphics, improved handling > (especially at the limit), much improved and agressive AI, FF, virtual > cockpit with visible front wheels, lit road surface (during good > weather)? > > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > Why not? Microprose did. And that is about the only cool change to > > GP2... > >

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:02:06 +0100, Graeme Nash <[email hidden]> wrote: >>I don't know, maybe some tracks that are not in the 2000 season for >>example, I was merely stating that I can't believe EA will ask money >>for only a rain patch. > >It worked for Geoff Crammond :-) Hehehe, that's a "good 'un!!" Matt (still laughing!).

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:52:42 +0200, Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch. Awsome >> >that we'll get a box along with it. >> >To bad it's not a free lunch. >> >> I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely >> there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? > >Yeah, they should include the real 2000 F1 tracks this time, not those >fantasy tracks that came in the first box! ;^) > >Seriously, as no new tracks are added for this season, what new >tracks should they include?

Maybe some tracks that are not in this year's season? The point I was trying to make is that they can't sell an add-on if it only is a rain-patch, nobody will buy that. Andre

>Why not? Microprose did. And that is about the only cool change to >GP2... > > C'mon, there's a lot more to GP3 than simply a GP2 upgrade. I admit the feeling's much the same, but after playing GP3 I have to say that I think the reason for that is because GP2 was so good in so many ways that there was simply no point in fixing something that wasn't broken. I don't blame Crammond et. al. for that. I enjoy GP3 a damn sight more than F12K--which, by the way, is removed from my HD. Jerry Morelock

Ehrrm, it's actually a really "brand new" game EA+ISI has created. Totally different from F12000. You won't at all se any resemblance at all to your current ride. It's called F1 "Championship Season 2000". (Must have been tough to develop a game looking just as neat as F12000 in mere 3 months) check it out at: http://www.gamespot.co.uk/news/2000/08/7990.html /Carl "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:52:42 +0200, Ronald Stoehr > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Andre Warringa wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:14:06 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >Pretty cool EA's about to release a new patch to f12k, a rain-patch.

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> >> >that we'll get a box along with it. > >> >To bad it's not a free lunch. > >> > >> I don't believe that EA will ask money only for a rain patch? Surely > >> there will be some new tracks or something like that included then? > > > >Yeah, they should include the real 2000 F1 tracks this time, not those > >fantasy tracks that came in the first box! ;^) > > > >Seriously, as no new tracks are added for this season, what new > >tracks should they include? > > Maybe some tracks that are not in this year's season? > The point I was trying to make is that they can't sell an add-on if it > only is a rain-patch, nobody will buy that. > > Andre

On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:16:25 +0200, "Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Ehrrm, it's actually a really "brand new" game EA+ISI has created. Totally >different from F12000. You won't at all se any resemblance at all to your >current ride. It's called F1 "Championship Season 2000". (Must have been >tough to develop a game looking just as neat as F12000 in mere 3 months) > >check it out at: >http://www.gamespot.co.uk/news/2000/08/7990.html > > >/Carl

Hey, this is starting to sound good, very good! Rain, better AI, driving school, updated liveries... Here's the bit about the AI: Top of the list for change was the opponent driver AI. Aggression and competitiveness can be adjusted, but more importantly the line they take and how they react to cars ahead or to the side of them has been improved. Essentially, we are told, the computer-controlled drivers won't stick religiously to their chosen line and speed - EA plan to make them react more realistically and more quickly to driver actions, even to the point of allowing them to change their line through a corner where necessary. Andre

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey, this is starting to sound good, very good! > Rain, better AI, driving school, updated liveries... > Here's the bit about the AI: If this were a true addon for F1 2000 then I would agree. It would sound good. But if it is a new game, then hold on to your seats! Who knows what the hell it is going to be like? -- [email hidden] > Top of the list for change was the opponent driver AI. Aggression and > competitiveness can be adjusted, but more importantly the line they > take and how they react to cars ahead or to the side of them has been > improved. Essentially, we are told, the computer-controlled drivers > won't stick religiously to their chosen line and speed - EA plan to > make them react more realistically and more quickly to driver actions, > even to the point of allowing them to change their line through a > corner where necessary. > > Andre

On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:23:24 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Hey, this is starting to sound good, very good! >> Rain, better AI, driving school, updated liveries... >> Here's the bit about the AI: > >If this were a true addon for F1 2000 then I would agree. It would >sound good. But if it is a new game, then hold on to your seats! >Who knows what the hell it is going to be like?

Have you seen the pics Greg? I immediately assumed that it would be an updated F1 2000.. why would they develop a whole new engine when they have got the fantastic F1 2000 engine? Andre

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > Have you seen the pics Greg? I immediately assumed that it would be an > updated F1 2000.. why would they develop a whole new engine when they > have got the fantastic F1 2000 engine? It's the same game engine Andre, same than the one in F12k. Basically it's far from a completely new game. It's rain, the AI ported from the last F12k patch, plus some different painted cars (wow <g>), and a racing school which is simply scripted save games with a situation to do. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Have you seen the pics Greg? I immediately assumed that it would be an >> updated F1 2000.. why would they develop a whole new engine when they >> have got the fantastic F1 2000 engine? > > >It's the same game engine Andre, same than the one in F12k.

Great :) >Basically it's far from a completely new game. It's rain, the AI ported >from the last F12k patch, plus some different painted cars (wow <g>), and a >racing school which is simply scripted save games with a situation to do. Something like a Beat the Heat then, sounds cool. Are you sure that it's just the AI from the patch? When I read the text I understood that they're making a complete new AI, which doesn't drive the same line every time... Andre

Damn, I wish I'd have thought of that line !! :) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > If this were a true addon for F1 2000 then I would agree. It would > > sound good. But if it is a new game, then hold on to your seats! > > Who knows what the hell it is going to be like? > > I didn't play the game, but I'm sure it's just F1 2000.01 ;^) > > -- > l8er > ronny

>> "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > Hey, this is starting to sound good, very good! >> > Rain, better AI, driving school, updated liveries... >> > Here's the bit about the AI: Just be VERY careful at the start of all F12k races, then get the F12k rain-addon for free (works very well!). Save your dough..<g>. File: http://www.bhmotorsports.com/f12k_utilities/weather_manager11.zip At: http://www.bhmotorsports.com/ WEATHER MANAGER V. 1.1 [Simon Phillips] In utilities on BHMotorsports ---- Matt