Eau Rouge ?

In F1-2000, what corner is Eau Rouge? Or in any game or real life for that matter? I enjoy the track in F12K, though why they would put a hairpin like, first gear right 100 meters or so just after start / finish must make for mad starts. Just seemed odd and a bit dangerous... Thanks. Dave Pawlikowski [email hidden] www.cushdrive.com " Trying is the first step towards failure " Homer Simpson

Superdave wrote in message ... >In F1-2000, what corner is Eau Rouge? Or in any game or real life for that >matter? I enjoy the track in F12K, though why they would put a hairpinlike, >first gear right 100 meters or so just after start / finish must make for >mad starts. Just seemed odd and a bit dangerous... > >Thanks. >Years ago, that hairpin (La Source) was the last corner, and the start/finish line was part of the way down the hill. Why it was changed, perhaps some F1 historian can tell us. Eau Rouge, named for the reddish-water stream at the bottom of the first hill, is the first left, right, left combination -- left as you approach the bottom, right shortly thereafter, and left at the top of the hill. Kurt

Kurt Steinbock <[email hidden]> wrote: > Superdave wrote in message ... >> > Years ago, that hairpin (La Source) was the last corner, and the > start/finish line was part of the way down the hill. Why it was changed, > perhaps some F1 historian can tell us. Eau Rouge, named for the Common sense would suggest that they wanted to remove the starting grid somewhere more flat than the hideous downhill. +Cinquo

Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> wrote: : Kurt Steinbock <[email hidden]> wrote: :> Superdave wrote in message ... :>> :> Years ago, that hairpin (La Source) was the last corner, and the :> start/finish line was part of the way down the hill. Why it was changed, :> perhaps some F1 historian can tell us. Eau Rouge, named for the : Common sense would suggest that they wanted to remove the starting : grid somewhere more flat than the hideous downhill. (grin) But keeping it near the pits also seemed like a good plan. Really that was the only place left. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

They ran out of pit space on the hill before eau rouge and so the pits and starting line were moved to where they are now, which is just before the la source hairpin. Dave Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8oolsi$ndu$[email hidden]... > Kurt Steinbock <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Superdave wrote in message ... > >> > > Years ago, that hairpin (La Source) was the last corner, and the > > start/finish line was part of the way down the hill. Why it waschanged,

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> > perhaps some F1 historian can tell us. Eau Rouge, named for the > > Common sense would suggest that they wanted to remove the starting > grid somewhere more flat than the hideous downhill. > > +Cinquo > >

After the first corner, you head downhill into a drapatic left hander that swoops up hill. The first part of this left-right-left series of turns is Eau Rouge. The rest of the sequence is La Raidillon (prolly spelt that wrong :) Superdave wrote:

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> In F1-2000, what corner is Eau Rouge? Or in any game or real life for that > matter? I enjoy the track in F12K, though why they would put a hairpin like, > first gear right 100 meters or so just after start / finish must make for > mad starts. Just seemed odd and a bit dangerous... > > Thanks. > > Dave Pawlikowski > [email hidden] > www.cushdrive.com > " Trying is the first step towards failure " > Homer Simpson

Rob Swindells wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >After the first corner, you head downhill into a drapatic left hander that >swoops up hill. The first part of this left-right-left series of turns isEau >Rouge. The rest of the sequence is La Raidillon (prolly spelt that wrong :) > Well, I'll be damned, Rob! Sam Posey even referred to the three-turn combo as Eau Rouge during the race, along with that wonderful word, "daunting." It's been a long time since French III -- anybody know what Rob's spelling (or misspelling) of La Raidillon translates to? Kurt

Ville V Sinkko wrote: > > Common sense would suggest that they wanted to remove the starting > grid somewhere more flat than the hideous downhill. Righty-O! And if you look at pix of the starting grids back in the Goode Aulde Days, you'll see the the final third of the grid actually wrapped around La Source, and the luckless buckos at the very back couldn't even see the flagman -- they knew the race was started when tire smoke started to billow back at them from the cars in front ... unless it was wet, and then it was even worse... BB

"Raidillon" is correct, but I couldn't find a single French-English Dictionary online that would even take a stab at it. Perhaps it's a proper name? Anyway, while searching for this elusive butterfly of love, I *did* stumble across the official Spa-Francorchamps website, which has some fantastic track shots -- multiple views of every corner (including, of course, the Eau Rouge/Raidillon complex). Alzo, some great photo galleries: http://www.spa-francorchamps.be/ And if you like this stuff, you should check out ddr Motorsports' site. I believe they're a husband and wife team who live very near the track, and have a great website (plus CD's available) of both modern racing and fantastic vintage stuff, all (I think) taken at Spa: http://www.chez.com/ddrmotorsport

Pits were also after hairpin, start and hairpin is still today on the sownhill after hairpin in every race other than F1. Richard G Clegg <[email hidden]> skrev i diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:8oon8u$9d2$[email hidden]...

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> Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> wrote: > : Kurt Steinbock <[email hidden]> wrote: > > :> Superdave wrote in message ... > :>> > :> Years ago, that hairpin (La Source) was the last corner, and the > :> start/finish line was part of the way down the hill. Why it was

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> :> perhaps some F1 historian can tell us. Eau Rouge, named for the > > : Common sense would suggest that they wanted to remove the starting > : grid somewhere more flat than the hideous downhill. > > (grin) But keeping it near the pits also seemed like a good plan. > Really that was the only place left. > > -- > Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving > Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group > Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York > UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

For a great Screenshot from Eau Rouge, go to this link: http:www.dcc.ufmg.br/~louis/srmspa.jpg Louis

Thanks for the links! I couldn't help but notice the sad and strangely prophetic "Racing Simulators" page under the second link. It's dated July 1997 and congratulates Greg Moore for his first CART victory (at the Milwaukee Mile). Below that the site owner says "He is the best! He remembers me [maybe "reminds me of"] Ayrton Senna!" Below that is a picture and dedication to Senna. Very sad.

In article <x3Qr5.16525$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Superdave) wrote:

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> In F1-2000, what corner is Eau Rouge? Or in any game or real life for > that > matter? I enjoy the track in F12K, though why they would put a hairpin > like, > first gear right 100 meters or so just after start / finish must make > for > mad starts. Just seemed odd and a bit dangerous... > > Thanks. > > Dave Pawlikowski > [email hidden] > www.cushdrive.com > " Trying is the first step towards failure " > Homer Simpson > >

Eau Rouge is the very next corner after La Source, the hairpin you talk about - actually a system of two extremely fast bends (after one of the slowest in F1), its probably the most loved/feared (by drivers) of them all... And yes, this is in real life and also all the other F1 games. And in my umble opinion, not so well done in GP3 as in F1-2000, you really need to get a 'bottoming' effect. Haven't looked at Official F1 lately, but that was also pretty good. Tony