New "GPL Engine" F1 Sim?

I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim that supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only mean either Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine, both of which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a stationary F1 car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from the shape of the car. Hope it's for real.

For anyone who can't be bothered downloading the video and the avi decoder i've posted a screenshot from the movie at http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/f1.jpg Maybe someone knows what year this is? "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3h6t5.3433$[email hidden]... > I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim that > supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only mean either > Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine, both of > which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a stationaryF1 > car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from the shape > of the car. > Hope it's for real. > >

WOW. Downloading the Mpeg right now. This is definitely BIG NEWS! So now we know what Papy will be doing after N4. You gotta wonder how much (if not all of) N4 is already done... Great find Simon :) --David Cook "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3h6t5.3433$[email hidden]... > I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim that > supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only mean either > Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine, both of > which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a stationaryF1 > car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from the shape > of the car. > Hope it's for real. > >

Simon Brown wrote: > > For anyone who can't be bothered downloading the video and the avi decoder > i've posted a screenshot from the movie at > http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/f1.jpg > Maybe someone knows what year this is? > I went through the www.ferrari.it site, and the car most resembling this one is the '91 F1 Ferrari, named (what else) F1-91: http://www.ferrari.it/comsport/formula1.e/images/f191.jpg -Gregor

To me it looks like a definite fake. The color scheme is of a modern Ferrari and the model doesn't resemble a real Ferrari completely. It looks a bit like the Ferrari that Alain Prost used to drive, but I haven't seen a front wing like that on any Ferrari. The front bit looks more like a Champcar. Harjan. "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Do6t5.3445$[email hidden]...

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> For anyone who can't be bothered downloading the video and the avi decoder > i've posted a screenshot from the movie at > http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/f1.jpg > Maybe someone knows what year this is? > > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3h6t5.3433$[email hidden]... > > I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim that > > supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only mean

either > > Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine, bothof > > which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a stationary > F1 > > car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from theshape > > of the car. > > Hope it's for real. > > > > > >

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:10:23 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim that >supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only mean either >Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine, both of >which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a stationary F1 >car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from the shape >of the car. >Hope it's for real.

Let's not forget that this is probably NOT how the cars will look in the sim. Not with current technology, that is :-) JoH

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> > To me it looks like a definite fake. The color scheme is of a modern > Ferrari and the model doesn't resemble a real Ferrari completely. It looks a > bit like the Ferrari that Alain Prost used to drive, but I haven't seen a > front wing like that on any Ferrari. The front bit looks more like a > Champcar. > > Harjan. >

It could be a fake, but the wings of the sort were used in F1. Go thorugh the www.ferrari.it site (the racing, F1 section). -Gregor

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> > Simon Brown wrote: > > > > For anyone who can't be bothered downloading the video and the avi decoder > > i've posted a screenshot from the movie at > > http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/f1.jpg > > Maybe someone knows what year this is? > > > > I went through the www.ferrari.it site, and the car most resembling this > one is the '91 F1 Ferrari, named (what else) F1-91: > > http://www.ferrari.it/comsport/formula1.e/images/f191.jpg > > -Gregor

Of course, it might just be a generic F1 car, mind you, it seems a bit odd to have all the decals and stuff on it already but it doesn't even run on a track yet. Another thing though, is that in the Hiigh Gear interview with Mr Kraemmer (sp?) from papy, he did say they had a high downforce car running with the GPL engine.... Kev

That's true, the car in the video looks rendered to me (as in 3d studio or something). Also the polygon count is way higher than any game could run with. If Papy are about to start work on a 91 F1 sim, they are probably doing renderings and artwork to sell the idea to Sierra. Also and such game would be 2 years off. The site that posted this video says they hope to have a video featuring the car and a track as well later this month. "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:10:23 GMT, "Simon Brown" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim that > >supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only meaneither > >Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine, bothof > >which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a stationaryF1 > >car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from theshape

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> >of the car. > >Hope it's for real. > > Let's not forget that this is probably NOT how the cars will look in > the sim. Not with current technology, that is :-) > > JoH >

Hmmm, judging by the rest of manic's site (and knowing his sense of humour), I'd be pretty certain it's a wind-up <G> -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:10:23 GMT, "Simon Brown" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim that > >supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only mean either > >Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine, both of > >which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a stationary F1 > >car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from the shape > >of the car. > >Hope it's for real. > > Let's not forget that this is probably NOT how the cars will look in > the sim. Not with current technology, that is :-) > > JoH >

Here's another shot of the 91 Ferrari, and the shape looks pretty close to the one in the video, although there's a few differences. The link is- http://www.glink.net.hk/~alanw/pictures/91-642.jpg "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Do6t5.3445$[email hidden]... > For anyone who can't be bothered downloading the video and the avi decoder > i've posted a screenshot from the movie at > http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/f1.jpg > Maybe someone knows what year this is? >

Fake, anytime... Why would we have the `91 car shape with the `99 sponsors? It just does not make sense... I haven't seen the video (only the picture), but it seems to me that someone had some fun with 3DS max, and obviously didn't get much documentation... -- Vincent Jacquemin [email hidden] "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3h6t5.3433$[email hidden]... > I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim that > supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only mean either > Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine, both of > which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a stationary F1 > car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from the shape > of the car. > Hope it's for real. > > >

what more could we want? confirmation.... pez the sceptic raja wrote in message <8p3bah$cdn$[email hidden]>... >The side pods are very similar to the '89, '90 and '91 ferrari. THe airbox >was introduced halfway thru the '89 season. The nose is like the ferrari(it >was a little flatter) but both the front and rear wings are nothing like a >ferrari from that era.....BUT who cares, a modern F1 sim from papy!!!!!What >more could we want. Hopefully they'll have seen how much GP3 and F12000have >sold and will pursuade sierra that it'll sell well. Here's hoping >"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:JC7t5.3544$[email hidden]... >> That's true, the car in the video looks rendered to me (as in 3d studioor

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>> something). Also the polygon count is way higher than any game could run >> with. If Papy are about to start work on a 91 F1 sim, they are probably >> doing renderings and artwork to sell the idea to Sierra. Also and such >game >> would be 2 years off. >> >> The site that posted this video says they hope to have a video featuring >the >> car and a track as well later this month. >> >> "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:10:23 GMT, "Simon Brown" >> > <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > >> > >I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim

that >> > >supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only mean >> either >> > >Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine,both

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>> of >> > >which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a >stationary >> F1 >> > >car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from the >> shape >> > >of the car. >> > >Hope it's for real. >> > >> > Let's not forget that this is probably NOT how the cars will look in >> > the sim. Not with current technology, that is :-) >> > >> > JoH >> > >> >> > >

Good point there.....(91 car with 99/2000 sponsors) "Vincent Jacquemin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cX9t5.29$[email hidden]... > Fake, anytime... Why would we have the `91 car shape with the `99sponsors? > It just does not make sense... I haven't seen the video (only thepicture),

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> but it seems to me that someone had some fun with 3DS max, and obviously > didn't get much documentation... > > > -- > Vincent Jacquemin > [email hidden] > > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3h6t5.3433$[email hidden]... > > I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim that > > supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only mean

either > > Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine, bothof > > which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a stationary > F1 > > car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from theshape

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> > of the car. > > Hope it's for real. > > > > > > > >

Yes, this has all the makings of an April Fools prank. Eh.........if you disregard the fact that it isn't April Fools Day. Chris -- South African GPL Championship http://www.geocities.com/gpl_sa_champs/ "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8p3a08$4ve$[email hidden]... > Hmmm, judging by the rest of manic's site (and knowing his sense of humour), > I'd be pretty certain it's a wind-up <G> > > -- > Ian P

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote > Hope it's for real. It's just a 3d rendered object. Quite easy to do if somebody has artistic talents, patience and has good knowledge of how to use 3d modeling software. I mean cmon anybody who think that rendered F1 car is from a real sim has some eye problem. We all know that modern video cards can't correctly model curved polygon surfaces (Quake3 hint! hint!). -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

No one was claiming it was in-game footage using a 3d engine, it's very obviously rendered (real-time reflections etc). That doesn't mean anything in itself though, it could have been a video Papy made showing the cars, to sell the idea to Sierra. I don't believe that by the way, I'm just pointing out the logic. Given what i've read in the whole thread, I think it's probably a wind-up as well. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Cbct5.216836$[email hidden]... > > It's just a 3d rendered object. Quite easy to do if somebody has artistic > talents, patience and has good knowledge of how to use 3d modelingsoftware. > > I mean cmon anybody who think that rendered F1 car is from a real sim has > some eye problem. We all know that modern video cards can't correctlymodel > curved polygon surfaces (Quake3 hint! hint!). > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>

Looks like a '93 Lotus with a ferrari paint job to me. Front wing, rear wing rear engine cowling and air intake are all identical to the Lotus although it has pre'92 wheels. Dave Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Simon Brown wrote: > > > > For anyone who can't be bothered downloading the video and the avidecoder

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> > i've posted a screenshot from the movie at > > http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/f1.jpg > > Maybe someone knows what year this is? > > > > I went through the www.ferrari.it site, and the car most resembling this > one is the '91 F1 Ferrari, named (what else) F1-91: > > http://www.ferrari.it/comsport/formula1.e/images/f191.jpg > > -Gregor

Fake... Hardly any doubt about that... Like someone else said why are there 2000 sponsor livery on a 89-91 car? A Shell logo? Come on, back then Ferrari still used AGIP... The Marlboro writing on the nose wasn't done that way until '97, before that Marlboro mainly sponsored McLaren... This is a fake, everybody with some 3d Max or other 3d program can make this easily... Plus that Manic guy cannot be trusted at all, I won't turn my back on him.. the little g$5y bastard with his sick sense of humor... It's bad that sites like High Gear and BHMS seem to take this seriously.... let alone the guys who start shouting about GPL2.... hehe..... -- Sjon Simon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3h6t5.3433$[email hidden]... > I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim that > supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only mean either > Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine, both of > which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a stationaryF1 > car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from the shape > of the car. > Hope it's for real. > >

Actually, the lines of the car seem much more like the F 92 - the airbox, nose, and cockpit opening aren't straight enough for the F1-91, which was a more angular car. Much as I'd love to see this game happen (mind you, I'd *prefer* '91, as that's my personal "pinnacle of F1" year), I'm inclined to agree that we need to see a LOT more info before we treat this as anything more than a hoax. Rick "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Simon Brown wrote: > > > > For anyone who can't be bothered downloading the video and the avidecoder

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> > i've posted a screenshot from the movie at > > http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/f1.jpg > > Maybe someone knows what year this is? > > > > I went through the www.ferrari.it site, and the car most resembling this > one is the '91 F1 Ferrari, named (what else) F1-91: > > http://www.ferrari.it/comsport/formula1.e/images/f191.jpg > > -Gregor

Oops, I think Dave's on to something here - I *knew* the car didn't really look like a Ferrari, but was blinded by the paint scheme. Good eye! Rick "David Bryant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8p3mp3$eek$[email hidden]... > Looks like a '93 Lotus with a ferrari paint job to me. Front wing, rear > wing rear engine cowling and air intake are all identical to the Lotus > although it has pre'92 wheels. > > Dave

You guys have all been fooled!! HAHAHAH http://community.sierra.com/cgi-bin/WebX.fcgi?[email hidden]^0@.ee8356a Eric Busch (Developer) - 11:43am Sep 5, 2000 PST (#10 of 15) Mark Reply Papyrus / NASCAR I really can't comment on future product plans either real or figments of someone's imagination, but those screenshots and movie are not from a Papy project and whomever is developing it (assuming it's anything more than a 3DStudioMax demo) certainly is not using any derivative of the GPL physics engine.

>Plus that Manic guy cannot be trusted at all, I won't turn my back on him.. >the little g$5y bastard with his sick sense of humor... Time for decaf :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

>Looks like a '93 Lotus with a ferrari paint job to me. Front wing, rear >wing rear engine cowling and air intake are all identical to the Lotus >although it has pre'92 wheels. Agreed. It's a hoax, but that's a nice model of a '93/'93 F1 car :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

The side pods are very similar to the '89, '90 and '91 ferrari. THe airbox was introduced halfway thru the '89 season. The nose is like the ferrari (it was a little flatter) but both the front and rear wings are nothing like a ferrari from that era.....BUT who cares, a modern F1 sim from papy!!!!! What more could we want. Hopefully they'll have seen how much GP3 and F12000 have sold and will pursuade sierra that it'll sell well. Here's hoping "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JC7t5.3544$[email hidden]... > That's true, the car in the video looks rendered to me (as in 3d studio or > something). Also the polygon count is way higher than any game could run > with. If Papy are about to start work on a 91 F1 sim, they are probably > doing renderings and artwork to sell the idea to Sierra. Also and suchgame > would be 2 years off. > > The site that posted this video says they hope to have a video featuringthe

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> car and a track as well later this month. > > "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:10:23 GMT, "Simon Brown" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >I've just read on http://www.richeymanic.co.uk/ about a new F1 sim that > > >supposedly uses the GPL Engine. If this is right, it can only mean > either > > >Papy are doing F1, or they're going to start leasing their engine, both > of > > >which would be great news. There also a 2 MB video showing a

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> F1 > > >car rotating, and it looks like about the 1990 season to me from the > shape > > >of the car. > > >Hope it's for real. > > > > Let's not forget that this is probably NOT how the cars will look in > > the sim. Not with current technology, that is :-) > > > > JoH > > > >

Damn, how sick a sense of humour to do this? Oh well, nevermind :) It would have been one hell of a game though, GPL physics, 91 season (cheap license etc), maybe Papy should think about it. "TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You guys have all been fooled!! HAHAHAH > >http://community.sierra.com/cgi-bin/WebX.fcgi?[email hidden]^0@.ee8356a

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> > Eric Busch (Developer) - 11:43am Sep 5, 2000 PST (#10 of 15) Mark Reply > Papyrus / NASCAR > I really can't comment on future product plans either real or figments of > someone's imagination, but those screenshots and movie are not from a Papy > project and whomever is developing it (assuming it's anything more than a > 3DStudioMax demo) certainly is not using any derivative of the GPL physics > engine.

It helps if you have a model of the car sitting ontop of your monitor!! Dave Rick Baumhauer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8p3p54$caqlk$[email hidden]...

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> Oops, I think Dave's on to something here - I *knew* the car didn't really > look like a Ferrari, but was blinded by the paint scheme. Good eye! > > Rick > > "David Bryant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8p3mp3$eek$[email hidden]... > > Looks like a '93 Lotus with a ferrari paint job to me. Front wing, rear > > wing rear engine cowling and air intake are all identical to the Lotus > > although it has pre'92 wheels. > > > > Dave > > >

Simon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Do6t5.3445$[email hidden]... > For anyone who can't be bothered downloading the video and the avi decoder > i've posted a screenshot from the movie at > http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/f1.jpg > Maybe someone knows what year this is? > It looks like a generic car to me, It can't be anything but the J191 IMO if it is an actual real car. Ifit's generic its strongly based on 1990-94 cars. I don't think this means a lot though, the movie. I mean, its just a 3d still-life, of an old car with an out of place skin. Enough work from any free 3D program and you can produce somethnig to this effect. (and people have) Given how this is put together I'm not expecing a sim to pop up any time soon out of this.