Re: GP3 is really starting to irritate me....

X In the original release of F1 2000 the AI could not get around some of the tracks : ) Spa, Brazil, Magny Cours F1 2000 set a new standard for poor AI. I don't blame Image Space though I think it was pressure from EA. The fundamentals of the AI in F1 2000 are better than any other sim they actually drive with a proper setup. It was just rushed. The Patch has improved things but I think we may have to wait for the championship edition or F1 2001 to see what they really can do. Regards Mike On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 05:19:03 GMT, [email hidden] (X) wrote:

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>On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 04:23:12 GMT, [email hidden] (Tim McArthur) >thus spoke: > >>I just raced a 100% distance race at Monaco last week. Qualified ont >>he pole, but for some reason it forced me to start in 22nd. This hurt >>bad as I know how difficult it is to pass on the strret circuit. After >>a fwe attempts at a clean start I finally got one and actually worked >>my way into the top 4 within a half dozen laps of the start. Never >>looked back from there and spent the rest of my race trying to chase >>down the leader. Was just about to settle for a great 2nd, when on the >>last lap was spun out trying to lap a car. That damn lapper! Dropped >>me down to forth with just 3 corners to go. GRR > >People knocked F12K for poor AI, but the AI in GP3 is no better.

When you exit the game after qualifying and then re-enter you start 22nd. It's a bug, hopefully adressed in the patch along with SPLIT AXIS. MeatWater "Tim McArthur" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:39b473e4.32273179@news... > I just raced a 100% distance race at Monaco last week. Qualified ont > he pole, but for some reason it forced me to start in 22nd. This hurt

"Tim McArthur" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39b473e4.32273179@news... > I just raced a 100% distance race at Monaco last week. Qualified ont > he pole, but for some reason it forced me to start in 22nd. This hurt Did you stop the qualifying early? If you do in F1 2000 you will keep your time and settle for whatever position that time would give you. I seem to remember in Gp2 though that if you quit the qualifying early, you would take the rear of the grid (just like if you never qualified). I would have hope this wouldn't have been ported in to Gp3. If I am right, it sounds like the only thing they added was wet weather.

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> bad as I know how difficult it is to pass on the strret circuit. After > a fwe attempts at a clean start I finally got one and actually worked > my way into the top 4 within a half dozen laps of the start. Never > looked back from there and spent the rest of my race trying to chase > down the leader. Was just about to settle for a great 2nd, when on the > last lap was spun out trying to lap a car. That damn lapper! Dropped > me down to forth with just 3 corners to go. GRR

Another feature I seem to remember from GP2 was that the lead car was very difficult to chase down. If you were somehow able to catch him and take the lead, you could walk away. Anyone remember this? -- [email hidden]

"MeatWater" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8p2jkc$bvifp$[email hidden]... > When you exit the game after qualifying and then re-enter you start 22nd. > It's a bug, hopefully adressed in the patch along with SPLIT AXIS. I think is is a feature as this was also in GP2... -- [email hidden] > MeatWater > > "Tim McArthur" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:39b473e4.32273179@news... > > I just raced a 100% distance race at Monaco last week. Qualified ont > > he pole, but for some reason it forced me to start in 22nd. This hurt > > >

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:05:16 +0100, Mike Blackmore <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >X In the original release of F1 2000 the AI could not get around some >of the tracks : ) Spa, Brazil, Magny Cours F1 2000 set a new standard >for poor AI. I don't blame Image Space though I think it was pressure >from EA. The fundamentals of the AI in F1 2000 are better than any >other sim they actually drive with a proper setup. It was just >rushed. I guess so. But, I've also seen the AI cars get in big pile ups at the first turn in GP3 too. >The Patch has improved things but I think we may have to wait for the >championship edition or F1 2001 to see what they really can do. Let's hope. -- X

At least all the cars in GP3 get to the start, F12K AI crash on the formation lap !!! <G> -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> X <[email hidden]> wrote > I guess so. But, I've also seen the AI cars get in big pile ups at the > first turn in GP3 too. > > >The Patch has improved things but I think we may have to wait for the > >championship edition or F1 2001 to see what they really can do. > > Let's hope. > -- > X

You have to accelerate time to the end of qualifying to keep your qualifying position in GP2 and GP3. In GP3, if you won't be racing in the same session after qualifying, the way to ensure you keep your grid position is to save the game before end of qualifying, then accelerate time when you restart it. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rF5t5.34704$[email hidden]... > "Tim McArthur" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:39b473e4.32273179@news... > > I just raced a 100% distance race at Monaco last week. Qualified ont > > he pole, but for some reason it forced me to start in 22nd. This hurt > > Did you stop the qualifying early? If you do in F1 2000 you will > keep your time and settle for whatever position that time would > give you. I seem to remember in Gp2 though that if you quit the > qualifying early, you would take the rear of the grid (just like if > you never qualified). I would have hope this wouldn't have been > ported in to Gp3. If I am right, it sounds like the only thing they > added was wet weather. > > [email hidden] >

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rF5t5.34704

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> Did you stop the qualifying early? If you do in F1 2000 you will > keep your time and settle for whatever position that time would > give you. I seem to remember in Gp2 though that if you quit the > qualifying early, you would take the rear of the grid (just like if > you never qualified). I would have hope this wouldn't have been > ported in to Gp3. If I am right, it sounds like the only thing they > added was wet weather.

+ improved much more lively physics + improved AI + moving 3D cockpit + banking in tracks + force feedback + better graphics + up to 1280 x 1024 resolution + better performance, very playable on the average machines of today GP3 has its flaws, a number of things did not change from GP2 and it took them a long time to publish it, but you cannot say it's only GP2 plus wet weather. That does not do it justice. Bart Westra

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:09:36 +0200, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rF5t5.34704 >> Did you stop the qualifying early? If you do in F1 2000 you will >> keep your time and settle for whatever position that time would >> give you. I seem to remember in Gp2 though that if you quit the >> qualifying early, you would take the rear of the grid (just like if >> you never qualified). I would have hope this wouldn't have been >> ported in to Gp3. If I am right, it sounds like the only thing they >> added was wet weather. > >+ improved much more lively physics >+ improved AI >+ moving 3D cockpit >+ banking in tracks >+ force feedback >+ better graphics >+ up to 1280 x 1024 resolution >+ better performance, very playable on the average machines of today > >GP3 has its flaws, a number of things did not change from GP2 and it took >them a long time to publish it, but you cannot say it's only GP2 plus wet >weather.

Greg can say it. Greg has my personal permission to say it. He's done it so often that nobody takes it serious anymore anyway ;-) JoH

Besides which, he hasn't even played it. LOL. :) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote > Greg can say it. Greg has my personal permission to say it. He's done > it so often that nobody takes it serious anymore anyway ;-) > > JoH >

Not just the first turn X, at Eau Rouge in the v1 release the AI could not get through it. If you did a 10 lap + race every AI car would crash !!! Same with the 'ducks bill; at Interlagos Regards Mike On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:13:20 GMT, [email hidden] (X) wrote:

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>On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:05:16 +0100, Mike Blackmore ><[email hidden]> thus spoke: > >>X In the original release of F1 2000 the AI could not get around some >>of the tracks : ) Spa, Brazil, Magny Cours F1 2000 set a new standard >>for poor AI. I don't blame Image Space though I think it was pressure >>from EA. The fundamentals of the AI in F1 2000 are better than any >>other sim they actually drive with a proper setup. It was just >>rushed. > >I guess so. But, I've also seen the AI cars get in big pile ups at the >first turn in GP3 too. > >>The Patch has improved things but I think we may have to wait for the >>championship edition or F1 2001 to see what they really can do. > >Let's hope.

"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8p3ajq$iff$[email hidden]... > Besides which, he hasn't even played it. LOL. :) OK so if I play it I will find that it had very good network play, car-pit radio, I would hear the other cars, and finially they are not using slomo? Is that what I am to believe? At this point I see no reason to dick around with GP2.5 instead of F1 2K. I am not the lone ranger with this either. -- [email hidden] > -- > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote > > Greg can say it. Greg has my personal permission to say it. He's done > > it so often that nobody takes it serious anymore anyway ;-) > > > > JoH > > > >

Same old story. If you ever decide to at least play the game, I'll be prepared to take your opinion seriously. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2zet5.35983$[email hidden]... > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8p3ajq$iff$[email hidden]... > > Besides which, he hasn't even played it. LOL. :) > > OK so if I play it I will find that it had very good network play, car-pit > radio, I would hear the other cars, and finially they are not using slomo? > > Is that what I am to believe? At this point I see no reason to dick > around with GP2.5 instead of F1 2K. I am not the lone ranger > with this either. > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > -- > > Ian P > > <email invalid due to spam> > > Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Greg can say it. Greg has my personal permission to say it. He's done > > > it so often that nobody takes it serious anymore anyway ;-) > > > > > > JoH > > > > > > > > >

LOL!! "Ian P" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:8p3a06$4ve$[email hidden]... > At least all the cars in GP3 get to the start, F12K AI crash on the > formation lap !!! <G>

Well you may get some slow-mo at the first corner but after that you'll get more 18fps on your Ninja system Greg : ) Regards Mike On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:38:22 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8p3ajq$iff$[email hidden]... >> Besides which, he hasn't even played it. LOL. :) > >OK so if I play it I will find that it had very good network play, car-pit >radio, I would hear the other cars, and finially they are not using slomo? > >Is that what I am to believe? At this point I see no reason to dick >around with GP2.5 instead of F1 2K. I am not the lone ranger >with this either.

In article <8p3a06$4ve$[email hidden]>, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> writes: >At least all the cars in GP3 get to the start, F12K AI crash on the >formation lap !!! <G> > Do they even HAVE a formation lap in GP3...? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +50.77 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 06 Sep 2000 10:39:27 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <8p3a06$4ve$[email hidden]>, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> >writes: > >>At least all the cars in GP3 get to the start, F12K AI crash on the >>formation lap !!! <G> >> > >Do they even HAVE a formation lap in GP3...?

Sometimes it is wiser to have NOT than to have something ridiculous ;-) JoH

I guess I'll run right out and pick it up. -- [email hidden] "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8p423j$o6q$[email hidden]... > Same old story. > > If you ever decide to at least play the game, I'll be prepared to take your > opinion seriously. > > -- > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > > Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2zet5.35983$[email hidden]... > > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8p3ajq$iff$[email hidden]... > > > Besides which, he hasn't even played it. LOL. :) > > > > OK so if I play it I will find that it had very good network play, car-pit > > radio, I would hear the other cars, and finially they are not using slomo? > > > > Is that what I am to believe? At this point I see no reason to dick > > around with GP2.5 instead of F1 2K. I am not the lone ranger > > with this either. > > > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > -- > > > Ian P > > > <email invalid due to spam> > > > Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > Greg can say it. Greg has my personal permission to say it. He's done > > > > it so often that nobody takes it serious anymore anyway ;-) > > > > > > > > JoH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Mike Blackmore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well you may get some slow-mo at the first corner but after that > you'll get more 18fps on your Ninja system Greg : ) My system is hardly ninja, but how are you counting the framerate in GP3? -- [email hidden] > Regards Mike > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:38:22 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:8p3ajq$iff$[email hidden]... > >> Besides which, he hasn't even played it. LOL. :) > > > >OK so if I play it I will find that it had very good network play, car-pit > >radio, I would hear the other cars, and finially they are not using slomo? > > > >Is that what I am to believe? At this point I see no reason to dick > >around with GP2.5 instead of F1 2K. I am not the lone ranger > >with this either. >

Greg Cisko wrote: > > My system is hardly ninja, but how are you counting the framerate > in GP3? > You don't count framerate in GP3; you set it! -Gregor

No, and judging by F1 2000, that's a GOOD thing <G> -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote > > Do they even HAVE a formation lap in GP3...? > > Eldred

Yeah, but incomparison, Crammond's got that formattion lap down pat in GP3, doesn't he? -- JB In article <8p3a06$4ve$[email hidden]>, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> At least all the cars in GP3 get to the start, F12K AI crash on the > formation lap !!! <G> > > -- > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > > X <[email hidden]> wrote > > I guess so. But, I've also seen the AI cars get in big pile ups at

the > > first turn in GP3 too. > > > > >The Patch has improved things but I think we may have to wait forthe

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> > >championship edition or F1 2001 to see what they really can do. > > > > Let's hope. > > -- > > X > >

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In article <2zet5.35983$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8p3ajq$iff$[email hidden]... > > Besides which, he hasn't even played it. LOL. :) > > OK so if I play it I will find that it had very good network play,car-pit > radio, I would hear the other cars, and finially they are not usingslomo? > > Is that what I am to believe? At this point I see no reason to dick > around with GP2.5 instead of F1 2K. I am not the lone ranger > with this either. I've played GP3 -- call me "Tonto." -- JB Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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I do plan to be there, Kemosabe <G>, but I don't have seats, which means I'm going to have to rely on general admission standing room. :-( Still, just being there will be GREAT! Drop me a personal line at [email hidden] and we'll try to make some arrangements to get together while you're in town! -- JB In article <JKCt5.38605$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8p6hm4$n88$[email hidden]...

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> > I've played GP3 -- call me "Tonto." > > Hey were you going to be at the USGP??? Is so, I probably owe you > a beer to make up for all the ragging I gave you :-) > > -- > > [email hidden] > >

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In article <8p423j$o6q$[email hidden]>, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Same old story. > >If you ever decide to at least play the game, I'll be prepared to take your >opinion seriously. > >-- >Ian P ><email invalid due to spam> > >Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:2zet5.35983$[email hidden]... >> "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:8p3ajq$iff$[email hidden]... >> > Besides which, he hasn't even played it. LOL. :) >> >> OK so if I play it I will find that it had very good network play, car-pit >> radio, I would hear the other cars, and finially they are not using slomo? >> >> Is that what I am to believe? At this point I see no reason to dick >> around with GP2.5 instead of F1 2K. I am not the lone ranger >> with this either.

But, is he wrong? Just asking... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +50.77 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>On 06 Sep 2000 10:39:27 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>In article <8p3a06$4ve$[email hidden]>, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> >>writes: >> >>>At least all the cars in GP3 get to the start, F12K AI crash on the >>>formation lap !!! <G> >>> >> >>Do they even HAVE a formation lap in GP3...? > >Sometimes it is wiser to have NOT than to have something ridiculous >;-) > >JoH

I was only asking for 'realism' sake...<g> Eldred - still waiting for the price on GP3 to drop enough to make it worth buying... -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +50.77 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well, about the issues he mentions technically he's right, though there is a but ;) The network play works fine for me in 2 player on my LAN. The car - pit radio isn't in GP3, but the same in F1 2000 really annoys me because it is always giving false information. You don't hear the other cars, but again I believe this to be closer to realistic than hearing them on the opposite side of the track as in F1 2000. The slowmo problem is still in GP3, but in all fairness apart from the first corner it is an absolute non issue on a middle range or above PC. If he dislikes GP3 after actually trying it I'd respect his opinion, the world would be a dull place if we all liked the same things. If he doesn't even try it then I won't. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <8p423j$o6q$[email hidden]>, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Same old story. > > > >If you ever decide to at least play the game, I'll be prepared to take your > >opinion seriously. > > > >-- > >Ian P > ><email invalid due to spam> > > > >Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:2zet5.35983$[email hidden]... > >> "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:8p3ajq$iff$[email hidden]... > >> > Besides which, he hasn't even played it. LOL. :) > >> > >> OK so if I play it I will find that it had very good network play, car-pit > >> radio, I would hear the other cars, and finially they are not using slomo? > >> > >> Is that what I am to believe? At this point I see no reason to dick > >> around with GP2.5 instead of F1 2K. I am not the lone ranger > >> with this either. > > But, is he wrong? Just asking... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +50.77 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8p9atu$4tc$[email hidden]... > Well, about the issues he mentions technically he's right, though there isa > but ;) But??? > If he dislikes GP3 after actually trying it I'd respect his opinion, the > world would be a dull place if we all liked the same things. If he doesn't > even try it then I won't. But... Um... Here is a "but" for you. But if I am technically right, and those reasons are enough *FOR ME* to dislike the game, then why in the world would I want to try it? Just so you will take me (so called) seriously? I don't think so. -- [email hidden]

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>Well, about the issues he mentions technically he's right, though there is a >but ;) >The network play works fine for me in 2 player on my LAN. >The car - pit radio isn't in GP3, but the same in F1 2000 really annoys me >because it is always giving false information. >You don't hear the other cars, but again I believe this to be closer to >realistic than hearing them on the opposite side of the track as in F1 2000. >The slowmo problem is still in GP3, but in all fairness apart from the first >corner it is an absolute non issue on a middle range or above PC. > >If he dislikes GP3 after actually trying it I'd respect his opinion, the >world would be a dull place if we all liked the same things. If he doesn't >even try it then I won't.

I can understand you being tired of hearing his dislikes about it *constantly*...<g> If there are certain feature about a program that someone doesn't like, does it really matter that he hasn't actually bought the game? Him buying it won't change the fact that certain things he wants aren't in there. To me, a 2-player race sounds like a waste of time. If the players aren't of similar skill, it's a runaway victory... I know that the slowmo issus WOULD probably affect me, I only have a 400mhz/V3 system. How about if Greg put a YMMV on every post about GP3? :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +50.77 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >If he dislikes GP3 after actually trying it I'd respect his opinion, the > >world would be a dull place if we all liked the same things. If hedoesn't > >even try it then I won't. > > I can understand you being tired of hearing his dislikes about it > *constantly*...<g> > If there are certain feature about a program that someone doesn't like,does it > really matter that he hasn't actually bought the game? Him buying itwon't > change the fact that certain things he wants aren't in there. I guess my problem is that I assume that any reasonable person would come to this same conclusion. > To me, a 2-player race sounds like a waste of time. If the players aren'tof > similar skill, it's a runaway victory... I know that the slowmo issusWOULD > probably affect me, I only have a 400mhz/V3 system. > How about if Greg put a YMMV on every post about GP3? :) I don't have to put YMMV because everyone damn well knows is may vary. My not putting that disclaimer on a post would not do a thing :-) -- [email hidden]

Eldred, I don't have a slowmo problem on either of my PC's after the first corner (unless a multicar pileup happens ;) ). P2 333 oc to 375 with 128MB RAM and TNT2 Athlon 750 128MB RAM and V3 3000. The graphics are maxed out on the Athlon and reduced a bit on the P2. I only have 2PC's on my LAN so any more than a 2 player race is impossible anyway ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote > I can understand you being tired of hearing his dislikes about it > *constantly*...<g> > If there are certain feature about a program that someone doesn't like, does it > really matter that he hasn't actually bought the game? Him buying it won't > change the fact that certain things he wants aren't in there. > To me, a 2-player race sounds like a waste of time. If the players aren't of > similar skill, it's a runaway victory... I know that the slowmo issus WOULD > probably affect me, I only have a 400mhz/V3 system. > How about if Greg put a YMMV on every post about GP3? :) > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +50.77 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:M7iu5.42405$[email hidden]... > I guess my problem is that I assume that any reasonable person > would come to this same conclusion. >Reasonable people criticise games they haven't tried do they ? > > I don't have to put YMMV because everyone damn well knows > is may vary. My not putting that disclaimer on a post would > not do a thing :-) >You don't have ANY mileage in GP3 anyway ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> > > [email hidden]

"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pd2v8$ur8$[email hidden]... > You don't have ANY mileage in GP3 anyway ;) Sure I do. I played the crap out of GP2 :-) -- [email hidden]

Come on now, you know that's the beta release :) I'm gonna quit this now because it's not very productive ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8Gru5.43255$[email hidden]... > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8pd2v8$ur8$[email hidden]... > > You don't have ANY mileage in GP3 anyway ;) > > Sure I do. I played the crap out of GP2 :-) > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > >

"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pds79$t03$[email hidden]... > Come on now, you know that's the beta release :) > I'm gonna quit this now because it's not very productive ;) Hey!!! We finially agree on something :-) -- [email hidden] > > >

I figured life's too short to spend it arguing over GP2, 2.5 and 3 (depending on your point of view) :-) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ubYu5.46505$[email hidden]... > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8pds79$t03$[email hidden]... > > Come on now, you know that's the beta release :) > > I'm gonna quit this now because it's not very productive ;) > > Hey!!! We finially agree on something :-) > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > >