TrackIR and Race Sims - Questions

After reading positive reviews here and on the flight-sim newsgroup, I decided to order a TrackIRPro3 to use with racing sims such as GTR, GPL, etc. (Note: I don't have the vector expansion). So far, I've tried it with GTR and am having some problems getting used to it. So, I've got a few questions for those of you have some experience with it. 1. How long does it take to really get used to it? I find that I subconciously try to complete some of my turns by turning my head rather than the wheel. (Sound stupid, I know...) This is particularly true at slow, tight turns like the chicanes at Monza. I see where I want the car to go, and my mind mistakenly tells me that I'm on the racing line when I'm really tracking way wide. 2. Is it possible to re-map the F12 default re-center key to something else? Neither my Logi Profiler nor Game Commander "see" the F12 key, and reaching for my keyboard to re-center doesn't work well, as my "head" isn't facing the optimum direction when doing so. 3. Are you using the default profile with GTR, or another one? I thought that there were other profiles for download for various sims, but I can't find them. 4. In racing sims in general, have you disabled the "pitch" (up and down) axis. It seems to me to be worthless (and sometimes annoying) in race sims. If you have any tips, tweaks, profiles to share, I would appreciate them. From what I've seen so far, it's a neat little gadget, but based upon my (rather short) tryout, the jury's still out as to whether it was a worthwhile purchase. Thanks!

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> After reading positive reviews here and on the flight-sim newsgroup, I > decided to order a TrackIRPro3 to use with racing sims such as GTR, GPL, > etc. (Note: I don't have the vector expansion). > > So far, I've tried it with GTR and am having some problems getting used > to it. So, I've got a few questions for those of you have some > experience with it. > > 1. How long does it take to really get used to it? I find that I > subconciously try to complete some of my turns by turning my head rather > than the wheel. (Sound stupid, I know...) This is particularly true at > slow, tight turns like the chicanes at Monza. I see where I want the > car to go, and my mind mistakenly tells me that I'm on the racing line > when I'm really tracking way wide. > > 2. Is it possible to re-map the F12 default re-center key to something > else? Neither my Logi Profiler nor Game Commander "see" the F12 key, > and reaching for my keyboard to re-center doesn't work well, as my > "head" isn't facing the optimum direction when doing so. > > 3. Are you using the default profile with GTR, or another one? I > thought that there were other profiles for download for various sims, > but I can't find them. > > 4. In racing sims in general, have you disabled the "pitch" (up and > down) axis. It seems to me to be worthless (and sometimes annoying) in > race sims. > > If you have any tips, tweaks, profiles to share, I would appreciate > them. From what I've seen so far, it's a neat little gadget, but based > upon my (rather short) tryout, the jury's still out as to whether it was > a worthwhile purchase. > > Thanks!

I found the answer to Question #2 my self (It's under "Hotkeys"). Any help with the other questions would be appreciated.

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>After reading positive reviews here and on the flight-sim newsgroup, I >decided to order a TrackIRPro3 to use with racing sims such as GTR, GPL, >etc. (Note: I don't have the vector expansion). > >So far, I've tried it with GTR and am having some problems getting used >to it. So, I've got a few questions for those of you have some >experience with it. > >1. How long does it take to really get used to it? I find that I >subconciously try to complete some of my turns by turning my head rather >than the wheel. (Sound stupid, I know...) This is particularly true at >slow, tight turns like the chicanes at Monza. I see where I want the >car to go, and my mind mistakenly tells me that I'm on the racing line >when I'm really tracking way wide. > >2. Is it possible to re-map the F12 default re-center key to something >else? Neither my Logi Profiler nor Game Commander "see" the F12 key, >and reaching for my keyboard to re-center doesn't work well, as my >"head" isn't facing the optimum direction when doing so. > >3. Are you using the default profile with GTR, or another one? I >thought that there were other profiles for download for various sims, >but I can't find them. > >4. In racing sims in general, have you disabled the "pitch" (up and >down) axis. It seems to me to be worthless (and sometimes annoying) in >race sims. > >If you have any tips, tweaks, profiles to share, I would appreciate >them. From what I've seen so far, it's a neat little gadget, but based >upon my (rather short) tryout, the jury's still out as to whether it was >a worthwhile purchase. > >Thanks!

I am looking forward to any answers to your questions! Although I don't have GTR or GPL. Would buy them if I knew they were available here in the US (well, GTR, that is). Any way, have you tried posting your questions at the Natural Point web-site's "Community Forum"? It is pretty active. -pw remove astericks (*) from e-mail address (use paulwilliamson at spamcop dot net) ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----

I'm also new to TrackIR so I don't know for #1, I guess it varies from people to people. For #2 - New Beta S/W 4.023 supports Direct-X button for centering and other Track-IR Hotkey. (In GPL it was already possible with settings in the GPLSHIFT.INI file). It's great to re-center using a steering button. #3 - I don't have GT-R yet, waiting to be able to get it in Canada. Wayne's profiles are now available on the NaturalPoint site. #4 - I'm thinking about removing it, in flight sim it's great! <BRH> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> After reading positive reviews here and on the flight-sim newsgroup, I > decided to order a TrackIRPro3 to use with racing sims such as GTR, GPL, > etc. (Note: I don't have the vector expansion). > > So far, I've tried it with GTR and am having some problems getting used > to it. So, I've got a few questions for those of you have some > experience with it. > > 1. How long does it take to really get used to it? I find that I > subconciously try to complete some of my turns by turning my head rather > than the wheel. (Sound stupid, I know...) This is particularly true at > slow, tight turns like the chicanes at Monza. I see where I want the > car to go, and my mind mistakenly tells me that I'm on the racing line > when I'm really tracking way wide. > > 2. Is it possible to re-map the F12 default re-center key to something > else? Neither my Logi Profiler nor Game Commander "see" the F12 key, > and reaching for my keyboard to re-center doesn't work well, as my > "head" isn't facing the optimum direction when doing so. > > 3. Are you using the default profile with GTR, or another one? I > thought that there were other profiles for download for various sims, > but I can't find them. > > 4. In racing sims in general, have you disabled the "pitch" (up and > down) axis. It seems to me to be worthless (and sometimes annoying) in > race sims. > > If you have any tips, tweaks, profiles to share, I would appreciate > them. From what I've seen so far, it's a neat little gadget, but based > upon my (rather short) tryout, the jury's still out as to whether it was > a worthwhile purchase. > > Thanks!

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> <BRH> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >> After reading positive reviews here and on the flight-sim newsgroup, I >> decided to order a TrackIRPro3 to use with racing sims such as GTR, GPL, >> etc. (Note: I don't have the vector expansion). >> >> So far, I've tried it with GTR and am having some problems getting used >> to it. So, I've got a few questions for those of you have some >> experience with it. >> >> 1. How long does it take to really get used to it? I find that I >> subconciously try to complete some of my turns by turning my head rather >> than the wheel. (Sound stupid, I know...) This is particularly true at >> slow, tight turns like the chicanes at Monza. I see where I want the >> car to go, and my mind mistakenly tells me that I'm on the racing line >> when I'm really tracking way wide. >> >> 2. Is it possible to re-map the F12 default re-center key to something >> else? Neither my Logi Profiler nor Game Commander "see" the F12 key, >> and reaching for my keyboard to re-center doesn't work well, as my >> "head" isn't facing the optimum direction when doing so. >> >> 3. Are you using the default profile with GTR, or another one? I >> thought that there were other profiles for download for various sims, >> but I can't find them. >> >> 4. In racing sims in general, have you disabled the "pitch" (up and >> down) axis. It seems to me to be worthless (and sometimes annoying) in >> race sims. >> >> If you have any tips, tweaks, profiles to share, I would appreciate >> them. From what I've seen so far, it's a neat little gadget, but based >> upon my (rather short) tryout, the jury's still out as to whether it was >> a worthwhile purchase. >> >> Thanks!

Hi Bert, here is my take. 1. This is an individual thing but Im still not having as much luck with GTR as Im having with Pacific Fighters and Lomac. Im having the same problem going wide in the turns and turning my head instead of the wheel ;) 2. Yes, in the profiler under "hotkey" tab. 3. Im using a profile sent from NP and adjusted to my liking. 4. Yes, I ended up turning off the Y Axis in racing sims. If I only did racing sims Id feel the same way Bert. This thing has really brought new life to Pacific Fighters for me but like you the jury is still out on racing sims. Wayne (Naturalpoint) sent me a racing profile that I can send to ya if ya want. Mitch -- Remove "nospam." to reply. SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a

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>><BRH> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >> >>>After reading positive reviews here and on the flight-sim newsgroup, I >>>decided to order a TrackIRPro3 to use with racing sims such as GTR, GPL, >>>etc. (Note: I don't have the vector expansion). >>> >>>So far, I've tried it with GTR and am having some problems getting used >>>to it. So, I've got a few questions for those of you have some >>>experience with it. >>> >>>1. How long does it take to really get used to it? I find that I >>>subconciously try to complete some of my turns by turning my head rather >>>than the wheel. (Sound stupid, I know...) This is particularly true at >>>slow, tight turns like the chicanes at Monza. I see where I want the >>>car to go, and my mind mistakenly tells me that I'm on the racing line >>>when I'm really tracking way wide. >>> >>>2. Is it possible to re-map the F12 default re-center key to something >>>else? Neither my Logi Profiler nor Game Commander "see" the F12 key, >>>and reaching for my keyboard to re-center doesn't work well, as my >>>"head" isn't facing the optimum direction when doing so. >>> >>>3. Are you using the default profile with GTR, or another one? I >>>thought that there were other profiles for download for various sims, >>>but I can't find them. >>> >>>4. In racing sims in general, have you disabled the "pitch" (up and >>>down) axis. It seems to me to be worthless (and sometimes annoying) in >>>race sims. >>> >>>If you have any tips, tweaks, profiles to share, I would appreciate >>>them. From what I've seen so far, it's a neat little gadget, but based >>>upon my (rather short) tryout, the jury's still out as to whether it was >>>a worthwhile purchase. >>> >>>Thanks! > > > Hi Bert, here is my take. > > 1. This is an individual thing but Im still not having as much luck with GTR > as Im having with Pacific Fighters and Lomac. Im having the same problem > going wide in the turns and turning my head instead of the wheel ;) > > 2. Yes, in the profiler under "hotkey" tab. > > 3. Im using a profile sent from NP and adjusted to my liking. > > 4. Yes, I ended up turning off the Y Axis in racing sims. > > > If I only did racing sims Id feel the same way Bert. This thing has really > brought new life to Pacific Fighters for me but like you the jury is still > out on racing sims. > > Wayne (Naturalpoint) sent me a racing profile that I can send to ya if ya > want. > > Mitch

Mitch, I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in making the adjustment (ie - going wide in the turns). I can't imagine how it must throw you off at first in flight sims, since they use more than one axis! I have a few flightsims that I don't get into too deeply. (I can't aim for s__t.) But I'll have to fire one up to see how this thing plays with it. Regarding the GTR profile you received from NP -- Yes, please forward it to me, if you don't mind. How do you add a "borrowed" profile to the TIR drivers BTW? I made my own GTR profile which I'm still tweaking. Basically, I added significant deadzone and flattened out the acceleration curves because the default racing profile was just way too sensitive for me. Thanks! Bert

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> Mitch_A wrote: >>><BRH> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >>> >>>>After reading positive reviews here and on the flight-sim newsgroup, I >>>>decided to order a TrackIRPro3 to use with racing sims such as GTR, GPL, >>>>etc. (Note: I don't have the vector expansion). >>>> >>>>So far, I've tried it with GTR and am having some problems getting used >>>>to it. So, I've got a few questions for those of you have some >>>>experience with it. >>>> >>>>1. How long does it take to really get used to it? I find that I >>>>subconciously try to complete some of my turns by turning my head rather >>>>than the wheel. (Sound stupid, I know...) This is particularly true at >>>>slow, tight turns like the chicanes at Monza. I see where I want the >>>>car to go, and my mind mistakenly tells me that I'm on the racing line >>>>when I'm really tracking way wide. >>>> >>>>2. Is it possible to re-map the F12 default re-center key to something >>>>else? Neither my Logi Profiler nor Game Commander "see" the F12 key, >>>>and reaching for my keyboard to re-center doesn't work well, as my >>>>"head" isn't facing the optimum direction when doing so. >>>> >>>>3. Are you using the default profile with GTR, or another one? I >>>>thought that there were other profiles for download for various sims, >>>>but I can't find them. >>>> >>>>4. In racing sims in general, have you disabled the "pitch" (up and >>>>down) axis. It seems to me to be worthless (and sometimes annoying) in >>>>race sims. >>>> >>>>If you have any tips, tweaks, profiles to share, I would appreciate >>>>them. From what I've seen so far, it's a neat little gadget, but based >>>>upon my (rather short) tryout, the jury's still out as to whether it was >>>>a worthwhile purchase. >>>> >>>>Thanks! >> >> >> Hi Bert, here is my take. >> >> 1. This is an individual thing but Im still not having as much luck with >> GTR as Im having with Pacific Fighters and Lomac. Im having the same >> problem going wide in the turns and turning my head instead of the wheel >> ;) >> >> 2. Yes, in the profiler under "hotkey" tab. >> >> 3. Im using a profile sent from NP and adjusted to my liking. >> >> 4. Yes, I ended up turning off the Y Axis in racing sims. >> >> >> If I only did racing sims Id feel the same way Bert. This thing has >> really brought new life to Pacific Fighters for me but like you the jury >> is still out on racing sims. >> >> Wayne (Naturalpoint) sent me a racing profile that I can send to ya if ya >> want. >> >> Mitch > Mitch, > > I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in making the adjustment (ie - going > wide in the turns). I can't imagine how it must throw you off at first > in flight sims, since they use more than one axis! I have a few > flightsims that I don't get into too deeply. (I can't aim for s__t.) > But I'll have to fire one up to see how this thing plays with it. > > Regarding the GTR profile you received from NP -- Yes, please forward it > to me, if you don't mind. How do you add a "borrowed" profile to the > TIR drivers BTW? I made my own GTR profile which I'm still tweaking. > Basically, I added significant deadzone and flattened out the > acceleration curves because the default racing profile was just way too > sensitive for me. > > Thanks! > Bert

That profile is OTW. Install it into drive:\program files\naturalpoint\trackir4\profiles. Its and .xml file. For whatever reason its much more *natural* in flight sims. Ive used it with IL2/PF, MSCFS3, MSFS4, and Lomac. I still dont really care for the vector expansion (6DOF) very much though (only the MS games anyway). Im in a recliner and I cant get very easy roll or up/down in/out. To this point I disable it in all games except NSR. I dont know why but NSRs TIR support is extremely well done. About the best Ive seen for the 6dof in a racing sim (fwiw). Mitch -- Remove "nospam." to reply. SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a