Monza today

8 laps under caution??? Why not red flag it and get the crashed drivers into their T cars? It was going to take a while to clean up the mess anyway. Re-start with a full field... And did HHF try to thread the needle or was he pushed into the other cars, starting that horrendous crash. The replays didn't show enough, but you have to think he wouldn't knowingly hit his own teammate by taking a chance like that. And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? Dave Pawlikowski [email hidden] www.cushdrive.com " Trying is the first step towards failure " Homer Simpson

Superdave <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6pLu5.21337$[email hidden]... > 8 laps under caution??? Why not red flag it and get the crashed drivers > into their T cars? It was going to take a while to clean up the messanyway. > Re-start with a full field... Well, the track wasn't blocked was it? > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? No, Schumacher pulled one of his sick pranks again....

Schumacher never stops amazing me - of course this stupid joke of him was within the rules, but damn it, motor racing is a gentlemen's sport, something this pathetic moron hasn't understood that well. Unbelievable. Just completely unbelievable. --- Joeri J. Cox "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > No, Schumacher pulled one of his sick pranks again.... > > >

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> Schumacher never stops amazing me - of course this stupid joke of him was > within the rules, but damn it, motor racing is a gentlemen's sport, > something this pathetic moron hasn't understood that well. Unbelievable. > Just completely unbelievable. > --- > Joeri J. Cox > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > > > No, Schumacher pulled one of his sick pranks again....

Don't be so naive ! Even J.Villeneuve admitted that Jenson wasn't paying attention. It is completely normal to build up a gap on the final lap under yellow. Get your facts straight and accept it. Jenson Button looks like he will become a fine driver, way better than D.Hill, but he still has a lot to learn judging by today's incident.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:46:58 GMT, "Superdave" <[email hidden]> wrote: > 8 laps under caution??? Why not red flag it and get the crashed drivers >into their T cars? It was going to take a while to clean up the mess anyway. >Re-start with a full field... I counted 11 laps. I think they let go after the 11th lap was finished. I agree, the red flag should've come directly after the crash, I mean a five car pileup... come on. What then is a red flag condition? >And did HHF try to thread the needle or was he pushed into the other cars, >starting that horrendous crash. The replays didn't show enough, but you have >to think he wouldn't knowingly hit his own teammate by taking a chance like >that. > >And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? LOL, yeah, I think Ralf can consider himself _very_ lucky today. Did you see how close Button was to rear-ending him? /Magnus GPLRank hcp: -1.44

"Superdave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6pLu5.21337$[email hidden]... > 8 laps under caution??? Why not red flag it and get the crashed drivers > into their T cars? It was going to take a while to clean up the messanyway. > Re-start with a full field... Re-start OK, but not with a full field. If you're out, you're out IMO. And my sympathy goes to the family of the marshall that was killed. hgrm > > And did HHF try to thread the needle or was he pushed into the other cars, > starting that horrendous crash. The replays didn't show enough, but youhave > to think he wouldn't knowingly hit his own teammate by taking a chancelike

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> that. > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > Dave Pawlikowski > [email hidden] > www.cushdrive.com > " Trying is the first step towards failure " > Homer Simpson > >

Hey you #$@^%$#%#, I haven't watched it yet!!!! You ruined it for me. Now when I see the pile-up I won't be surprised. Man, you ruined my life!! Sniff, sniff, cry, cry...... I feel better now :>) -- Todd S "Superdave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6pLu5.21337$[email hidden]... > 8 laps under caution??? Why not red flag it and get the crashed drivers > into their T cars? It was going to take a while to clean up the mess anyway. > Re-start with a full field... > > And did HHF try to thread the needle or was he pushed into the other cars, > starting that horrendous crash. The replays didn't show enough, but you have > to think he wouldn't knowingly hit his own teammate by taking a chance like > that. > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > Dave Pawlikowski > [email hidden] > www.cushdrive.com > " Trying is the first step towards failure " > Homer Simpson > >

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> Schumacher never stops amazing me - of course this stupid joke of him was > within the rules, but damn it, motor racing is a gentlemen's sport, > something this pathetic moron hasn't understood that well. Unbelievable. > Just completely unbelievable. > --- > Joeri J. Cox > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > > > No, Schumacher pulled one of his sick pranks again.... > >

The joke is you for believing such rubbish! when you know the safety car is going in you don't sit right on its bumper, its obvious to a fool that a an F1 car can out accelerate that heavy Mercedes saloon weighed down with lights, two people etc so to give you maximum chance to accelerate you don't sit on its bumper, you leave a nice big gap. Jenson was caught day-dreaming and only that stuttering old fool Murray Walker would blame Schumacher when all the drivers interviewed (past and present) such as Villeneuve and Brundle said it was NOt Schumachers fault but Jenson had been caught not concentrating and learnt a valuable lesson, he made himself look stupid at a time when he should be trying to impress Williams so they take up their option on him when his loan period to Bennetton expires. Silly boy Jenson..now go to the back of the class and write a 100 lines 'I must pay attention' Revvin

That's your own stupiditty.. a post with the subject "Monza today" is certain to contain info about the race... it's just your own stupiditty to open it.... Todd Sorensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GhNu5.136161$[email hidden]...

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> Hey you #$@^%$#%#, I haven't watched it yet!!!! You ruined it for me. Now > when I see the pile-up I won't be surprised. Man, you ruined my life!! > Sniff, sniff, cry, cry...... > > I feel better now :>) > > -- > Todd S > > > "Superdave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6pLu5.21337$[email hidden]... > > 8 laps under caution??? Why not red flag it and get the crashed drivers > > into their T cars? It was going to take a while to clean up the mess > anyway. > > Re-start with a full field... > > > > And did HHF try to thread the needle or was he pushed into the other

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> > starting that horrendous crash. The replays didn't show enough, but you > have > > to think he wouldn't knowingly hit his own teammate by taking a chance > like > > that. > > > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > > > Dave Pawlikowski > > [email hidden] > > www.cushdrive.com > > " Trying is the first step towards failure " > > Homer Simpson > > > > > >

"Superdave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6pLu5.21337$[email hidden]... > 8 laps under caution??? Why not red flag it and get the crashed drivers > into their T cars? It was going to take a while to clean up the messanyway. > Re-start with a full field...And have the same mess again? > > And did HHF try to thread the needle or was he pushed into the other cars, > starting that horrendous crash. The replays didn't show enough, but youhave > to think he wouldn't knowingly hit his own teammate by taking a chancelike

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> that. > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > Dave Pawlikowski > [email hidden] > www.cushdrive.com > " Trying is the first step towards failure " > Homer Simpson > >

The rules are that you must keep a constant speed behind the pace car, not floor it then jump on the brake as Schumacher did. Nothing will done as always with him because Ecclestone admitted he is a Schumacher fan and wants Ferrari to win the championship. To create a gap you slow gradually, not do what Schumacher did, when you see cars spread 4 wide after heavy braking on a straight under yellow you know someone is not driving right. Steve Levett Flyer#10 on WON --------------------------------------------------------- Lets Go Flyers The European Racing League http://drive.to/erl Co-Founder of 502 Racing --------------------------------------------------------- "Revvin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bdNu5.7487$[email hidden]... > > Joeri Cox <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2uMu5.2353$[email hidden]... > > Schumacher never stops amazing me - of course this stupid joke of himwas

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> > within the rules, but damn it, motor racing is a gentlemen's sport, > > something this pathetic moron hasn't understood that well. Unbelievable. > > Just completely unbelievable. > > --- > > Joeri J. Cox > > > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > > > > > No, Schumacher pulled one of his sick pranks again.... > > > > > The joke is you for believing such rubbish! when you know the safety car

is > going in you don't sit right on its bumper, its obvious to a fool that aan > F1 car can out accelerate that heavy Mercedes saloon weighed down with > lights, two people etc so to give you maximum chance to accelerate youdon't > sit on its bumper, you leave a nice big gap. Jenson was caughtday-dreaming > and only that stuttering old fool Murray Walker would blame Schumacherwhen > all the drivers interviewed (past and present) such as Villeneuve and > Brundle said it was NOt Schumachers fault but Jenson had been caught not > concentrating and learnt a valuable lesson, he made himself look stupid ata

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> time when he should be trying to impress Williams so they take up their > option on him when his loan period to Bennetton expires. Silly boy > Jenson..now go to the back of the class and write a 100 lines 'I must pay > attention' > > Revvin > > >

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> > Superdave <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6pLu5.21337$[email hidden]... > > 8 laps under caution??? Why not red flag it and get the crashed drivers > > into their T cars? It was going to take a while to clean up the mess > anyway. > > Re-start with a full field... > > Well, the track wasn't blocked was it? > > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > No, Schumacher pulled one of his sick pranks again....

Are you really that dense? It's common practise for the leading driver to leave a gap behind the pace car and bunch up the field. Button was the one doing the prank, caused by inexperience and too much enthusiasm. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

"Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The rules are that you must keep a constant speed behind the pace car, not > floor it then jump on the brake as Schumacher did. Nothing will done as > always with him because Ecclestone admitted he is a Schumacher fan andwants > Ferrari to win the championship. > To create a gap you slow gradually, not do what Schumacher did, when yousee > cars spread 4 wide after heavy braking on a straight under yellow you know > someone is not driving right. Why was it that onle J.Button was caught out, then ? The only ppl blaming Schumacher are on this NG ! The pro's know best, I think.

Jensen wasn't the only driver caught out by what Schumacher did. Maybe Jensen wasn't paying attention, but Ralf and Jacques both had to take severe avoiding action as well. "fatClyde" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RDMu5.5219$hP2.10381@news1-hme0... > > Don't be so naive ! Even J.Villeneuve admitted that Jenson wasn't paying > attention. It is completely normal to build up a gap on the final lapunder > yellow. Get your facts straight and accept it. Jenson Button looks like he > will become a fine driver, way better than D.Hill, but he still has a lotto > learn judging by today's incident.

Mika, Jacues and Ralf had to jump on the brakes and take avoiding action too. Jensen wasn't paying attention, but it was still a cheap stunt from Michael. "fatClyde" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JfPu5.5265$hP2.11420@news1-hme0... > > Why was it that onle J.Button was caught out, then ? The only ppl blaming > Schumacher are on this NG ! The pro's know best, I think.

Mika, Ralf and Jacques all had to take avoiding action as well, so Shumi isn't blameless, but Jensen wasn't paying attention. > Are you really that dense? It's common practise for the leading > driver to leave a gap behind the pace car and bunch up the field. > Button was the one doing the prank, caused by inexperience and > too much enthusiasm. > > ronny

And who do you want to win the championship,. hmmmm? -- Todd S. "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The rules are that you must keep a constant speed behind the pace car, not > floor it then jump on the brake as Schumacher did. Nothing will done as > always with him because Ecclestone admitted he is a Schumacher fan and wants > Ferrari to win the championship. > To create a gap you slow gradually, not do what Schumacher did, when you see > cars spread 4 wide after heavy braking on a straight under yellow you know > someone is not driving right. > > Steve Levett > Flyer#10 on WON > --------------------------------------------------------- > Lets Go Flyers > The European Racing League http://drive.to/erl > Co-Founder of 502 Racing > --------------------------------------------------------- > > "Revvin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bdNu5.7487$[email hidden]... > > > > Joeri Cox <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:2uMu5.2353$[email hidden]... > > > Schumacher never stops amazing me - of course this stupid joke of him > was > > > within the rules, but damn it, motor racing is a gentlemen's sport, > > > something this pathetic moron hasn't understood that well. Unbelievable. > > > Just completely unbelievable. > > > --- > > > Joeri J. Cox > > > > > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > > > > > > > No, Schumacher pulled one of his sick pranks again.... > > > > > > > > The joke is you for believing such rubbish! when you know the safety car > is > > going in you don't sit right on its bumper, its obvious to a fool that a > an > > F1 car can out accelerate that heavy Mercedes saloon weighed down with > > lights, two people etc so to give you maximum chance to accelerate you > don't > > sit on its bumper, you leave a nice big gap. Jenson was caught > day-dreaming > > and only that stuttering old fool Murray Walker would blame Schumacher > when > > all the drivers interviewed (past and present) such as Villeneuve and > > Brundle said it was NOt Schumachers fault but Jenson had been caught not > > concentrating and learnt a valuable lesson, he made himself look stupid at > a > > time when he should be trying to impress Williams so they take up their > > option on him when his loan period to Bennetton expires. Silly boy > > Jenson..now go to the back of the class and write a 100 lines 'I must pay > > attention' > > > > Revvin > > > > > > > >

Steve Levett <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The rules are that you must keep a constant speed behind the pace car, not > floor it then jump on the brake as Schumacher did.[snip] Button mentioned this in the ITV interview with Louise Goodman as well. It's quite ironic that if Button had been following his own advice and had not been accelerating himself to heat the tyres , he wouldn't have fallen off the track. Put it down to inexperience and youthful exuberance. S.

> And my sympathy goes to the family of the marshall that was killed. > > hgrm > Fuck the race. A moments reflection. Ian.

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> >That's your own stupiditty.. a post with the subject "Monza today" is >certain to contain info about the race... it's just your own stupiditty to >open it.... > > > >Todd Sorensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:GhNu5.136161$[email hidden]... >> Hey you #$@^%$#%#, I haven't watched it yet!!!! You ruined it for me. Now >> when I see the pile-up I won't be surprised. Man, you ruined my life!! >> Sniff, sniff, cry, cry...... >> >> I feel better now :>) >> >> -- >> Todd S

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In that case, none of them were paying attention, they all knew the pacecar was coming in at the end of the lap and they also knew that the lead car would drop back from the safety car to leave an acceleration gap. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Simon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:W4Qu5.19409$[email hidden]... > Mika, Ralf and Jacques all had to take avoiding action as well, so Shumi > isn't blameless, but Jensen wasn't paying attention. > > > Are you really that dense? It's common practise for the leading > > driver to leave a gap behind the pace car and bunch up the field. > > Button was the one doing the prank, caused by inexperience and > > too much enthusiasm. > > > > ronny > > >

Sure, but what Jensen described in the interview was how Michael exited the chicane, accelerated to race speed and then suddenly slowed down to nearly a stop. He caught out some very experienced racers as well as novice Button. I'm not saying Michael was trying to cause an accident, because I don't believe that, but he was clearly trying to get some temperature into his tyres and brakes ready for the restart, and did it in a fairly dangerous way. "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pgqn8$bm4$[email hidden]... > In that case, none of them were paying attention, they all knew thepacecar > was coming in at the end of the lap and they also knew that the lead car > would drop back from the safety car to leave an acceleration gap. > > -- > Ian P

> > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? Jenson can't be blamed for this. MS is responsible for this one but he didn't do something illegal. I took this snippage from the FIA F1 regulations: "When the clerk of the course calls in the safety car, it must extinguish all the revolving lights, this will be the signal to the drivers that it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap. At this point the first car in line behind the safety car may dictate the pace and, if necessary, fall more than five car lengths behind it. As the safety car is approaching the pit entrance the yellow flags and SC boards at the observer's posts will be withdrawn and waved green flags will be displayed for one lap." It kinda reminds me of those pickupraces in N3 when a caution comes out. Some asses slam their brakes after the line... People like that are just looking for trouble. It's a thing an experienced driver like MS simply shouldn't do.

> Don't be so naive ! Even J.Villeneuve admitted that Jenson wasn't > paying attention. It is completely normal to build up a gap on the > final lap under yellow. Get your facts straight and accept it. > Jenson Button looks like he will become a fine driver, way better > than D.Hill, but he still has a lot to learn judging by today's > incident. I agree completely. Button just wasn't paying close enough attention. He'll learn. He's young yet. -Chris- **Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

It's not that Schumacher slowed, it's how quick he did it, and that he came out of the chicane, sped up to racing speed, and then *suddenly* slowed. He wasn't backing the field up that far from the end of the circuit, he was getting temperature into his tyres and brakes. The fact is two people could have acted different and prevented Jensen going off. One of them was Jensen, for not paying attention. The other was Michael, for braking so hard and so suddenly. The fact is the other drivers behind Michael had to brake suddenly as well. I'm not acusing Michael of anything underhand, I just think it was unnecessary. "Bendito" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ph5se$jk0$[email hidden]... > > Yeah, but they avoided it. And Jacques later stated that Button was to > blame. Schumacher was leading, and therefore Schumacher is dictating the > pace. If Button expected Schumacher to go at a certain speed then Buttonhas > a lot to learn. > > Bendito;

Sjon Stigter wrote in message <8pg34g$fkf$[email hidden]>... >> And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > >No, Schumacher pulled one of his sick pranks again.... Nonsense. Every leading car will slow down the field just before the safety car comes in. Villeneuve said so much in his interview. It was Button's inexperience that saw him as the *only* driver forced into trouble by Shumacher's tactics. Bendito;

Simon Brown wrote in message ... >Jensen wasn't the only driver caught out by what Schumacher did. Maybe >Jensen wasn't paying attention, but Ralf and Jacques both had to takesevere >avoiding action as well. Yeah, but they avoided it. And Jacques later stated that Button was to blame. Schumacher was leading, and therefore Schumacher is dictating the pace. If Button expected Schumacher to go at a certain speed then Button has a lot to learn. Bendito;

Simon Brown wrote in message <77Vu5.20084$[email hidden]>... >It's not that Schumacher slowed, it's how quick he did it, and that he came >out of the chicane, sped up to racing speed, and then *suddenly* slowed Alright, I'll have to look at it again. Bendito;

"fatClyde" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RDMu5.5219$hP2.10381@news1-hme0... > Don't be so naive ! Even J.Villeneuve admitted that Jenson wasn't paying > attention. It is completely normal to build up a gap on the final lapunder > yellow. Get your facts straight and accept it. Jenson Button looks like he > will become a fine driver, way better than D.Hill, but he still has a lotto > learn judging by today's incident. How far ahead of you can you see when there are cars weaving across the track in front of you? You have to make your judgements based on the driver in front of you. Who was in front of Button? Fisichella... What happened to Fisichella? Check the view from the helicopter... he PASSED Ralf Schumacher... G

Was MS trying one of his sick tricks (egs DH and JV) to cause those behind him to have an accident - MH? Look at the pressure he was (is) under. So much so that he cried (MS with feelings?). Why not then greatly alleviate that intolerable pressure by taking out MH? "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:auPu5.19333$[email hidden]... > Jensen wasn't the only driver caught out by what Schumacher did.Maybe > Jensen wasn't paying attention, but Ralf and Jacques both had totake severe > avoiding action as well. > > "fatClyde" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RDMu5.5219$hP2.10381@news1-hme0... > > > > Don't be so naive ! Even J.Villeneuve admitted that Jenson wasn'tpaying > > attention. It is completely normal to build up a gap on the finallap > under > > yellow. Get your facts straight and accept it. Jenson Button lookslike he > > will become a fine driver, way better than D.Hill, but he stillhas a lot > to > > learn judging by today's incident. > > >

I was going to thank the people who started the two threads about Monza today. Neither one spoiled the race for those who hadn't had a chance to see it yet. Thanks for not creating a thread title like: Schumi wins after a huge crash kills a fireman and Button drives off the course avoiding the field slowing for a restart and Both Mika and Michael cry during the interviews and the correspondent has to be the MOST DENSE individual ever... thanks guys. dave henrie "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pg8o7$i3i$[email hidden]...

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> That's your own stupiditty.. a post with the subject "Monza today" is > certain to contain info about the race... it's just your own stupiditty to > open it.... > > > > Todd Sorensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:GhNu5.136161$[email hidden]... > > Hey you #$@^%$#%#, I haven't watched it yet!!!! You ruined it for me.

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> > when I see the pile-up I won't be surprised. Man, you ruined my life!! > > Sniff, sniff, cry, cry...... > > > > I feel better now :>) > > > > -- > > Todd S > > > > > > "Superdave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:6pLu5.21337$[email hidden]... > > > 8 laps under caution??? Why not red flag it and get the crashed

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> > have > > > to think he wouldn't knowingly hit his own teammate by taking a chance > > like > > > that. > > > > > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > > > > > Dave Pawlikowski > > > [email hidden] > > > www.cushdrive.com > > > " Trying is the first step towards failure " > > > Homer Simpson > > > > > > > > > > > >

Button wasn't paying to what the field was doing and chose (rightfully, IMO) to hit the barrier instead of Villeneuve. Schumacher wasn't doing anything wrong. If there was any wrong-doing, I'd look at Frentzen. It looks like he forgot that races aren't won in the first lap. If I really was looking for some wrong-doing, I'd look at the FIA official(s) decision to not red-flag the start. There was plenty of debris on the track and there were emergency personnel trying to aid one of their own amidst a (remaining) field of 14 cars that weren't damaged in some way. -- Philip D'Amato [email hidden] 2000 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R 2000 Audi S4 "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pg34g$fkf$[email hidden]... > > Superdave <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6pLu5.21337$[email hidden]... > > 8 laps under caution??? Why not red flag it and get the crashed drivers > > into their T cars? It was going to take a while to clean up the mess > anyway. > > Re-start with a full field... > > Well, the track wasn't blocked was it? > > > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > No, Schumacher pulled one of his sick pranks again.... > > >

BS, Do you think he provokes the risk of getting rear-ended when being in the lead? Jens On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:42:17 +0200, "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip>> >No, Schumacher pulled one of his sick pranks again.... > > --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: -2.61

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> > Sjon Stigter wrote in message <8pg34g$fkf$[email hidden]>... > > >> And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > > >No, Schumacher pulled one of his sick pranks again.... > > Nonsense. Every leading car will slow down the field just before the > safety car comes in. Villeneuve said so much in his interview. It was > Button's inexperience that saw him as the *only* driver forced into trouble > by Shumacher's tactics.

Correct, and esp. Villeneuve has the CART experience, where that happens every 20 laps (okay, they don't always have yellow flags every 20 laps ;). In CART it's required routine to play tricks like that as the pole driver. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

In article <8phhd4$pfr$[email hidden]>, Kooky <[email hidden]> writes >Was MS trying one of his sick tricks (egs DH and JV) to cause those >behind him to have an accident - MH? Look at the pressure he was (is) >under. So much so that he cried (MS with feelings?). Why not then >greatly alleviate that intolerable pressure by taking out MH? >I read today that Schumi was sorry about what happened to Button and felt that he may have been a little extreme in what he was doing and that caught a few drivers out - button in particular - though it was not out of any maliciousness. BTW I always thought MS was known as the rainmeister because of his ability in the wet, not because of his ability to turn on the waterworks during post-race interviews. <g>

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> > > >"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:auPu5.19333$[email hidden]... >> Jensen wasn't the only driver caught out by what Schumacher did. >Maybe >> Jensen wasn't paying attention, but Ralf and Jacques both had to >take severe >> avoiding action as well. >> >> "fatClyde" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:RDMu5.5219$hP2.10381@news1-hme0... >> > >> > Don't be so naive ! Even J.Villeneuve admitted that Jenson wasn't >paying >> > attention. It is completely normal to build up a gap on the final >lap >> under >> > yellow. Get your facts straight and accept it. Jenson Button looks >like he >> > will become a fine driver, way better than D.Hill, but he still >has a lot >> to >> > learn judging by today's incident. >> >> >> > >

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In article <6pLu5.21337$[email hidden]>, Superdave <[email hidden]> writes > 8 laps under caution??? Why not red flag it and get the crashed drivers >into their T cars? It was going to take a while to clean up the mess anyway. >Re-start with a full field... I certainly would agree with the restart. There were far too many drivers who were out on the first lap of the race through no fault of their own. I was surprised when it didn't happen. -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

In article <_WYu5.67938$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> I was going to thank the people who started the two threads about Monza >today. Neither one spoiled the race for those who hadn't had a chance to >see it yet. Thanks for not creating a thread title like: >Schumi wins after a huge crash kills a fireman and Button drives off the >course avoiding the field slowing for a restart and Both Mika and Michael >cry during the interviews and the correspondent has to be the MOST DENSE >individual ever... thanks guys.

Next time, though...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +50.77 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

So you are saying that MS did nothing illegal, yet should take 100% responsibility for this mishap. And Jenson, who clearly was not paying attention (he flew by those cars in front of him and off the course at a very high speed!) should take no responsibility? Let's see... next time I'm out driving on the highway and car(s) in front of me slow for no apparent reason, I'll use the excuse "They should not have slowed down!" when the Police officer asks why I slammed them from behind. I wonder who'll get the ticket... -PS In article <bnTu5.316905$[email hidden]>, "Tim Vanhee" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > Jenson can't be blamed for this. > MS is responsible for this one but he didn't do something illegal. > I took this snippage from the FIA F1 regulations: > > "When the clerk of the course calls in the safety car, it must

extinguish > all the revolving lights, this will be the signal to the drivers thatit > will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap. > At this point the first car in line behind the safety car may dictatethe > pace and, if necessary, fall more than five car lengths behind it. Asthe > safety car is approaching the pit entrance the yellow flags and SCboards at > the observer's posts will be withdrawn and waved green flags will be > displayed for one lap." > > It kinda reminds me of those pickupraces in N3 when a caution comesout. > Some asses slam their brakes after the line... People like that arejust > looking for trouble. It's a thing an experienced driver like MS simply > shouldn't do. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Well, if the race was actually red flagged, it could/would have been restarted with a full field. That's how it works in F1. So I'm not sure what you mean by "Re-start OK, but not with a full field". That's really not an option. For the most part, they don't make the rules on the fly...

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> > Re-start OK, but not with a full field. If you're out, you're out IMO. > > And my sympathy goes to the family of the marshall that was killed. > > hgrm > > > > > And did HHF try to thread the needle or was he pushed into the

other cars, > > starting that horrendous crash. The replays didn't show enough, butyou > have > > to think he wouldn't knowingly hit his own teammate by taking achance

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> like > > that. > > > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > > > Dave Pawlikowski > > [email hidden] > > www.cushdrive.com > > " Trying is the first step towards failure " > > Homer Simpson > > > > > >

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The rules state that a full field can restart after a red flag as long as the flag comes out before completion of the first lap. A new race start is declared. If a restart is required after this distance, the race is decided on aggregate time and cars that are not running at the time of the flag are not eligable to take the restart. MS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8plba2$d70$[email hidden]...

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> Well, if the race was actually red flagged, it could/would have been > restarted with a full field. That's how it works in F1. So I'm not > sure what you mean by "Re-start OK, but not with a full field". That's > really not an option. For the most part, they don't make the rules on > the fly... > > > > > Re-start OK, but not with a full field. If you're out, you're out IMO. > > > > And my sympathy goes to the family of the marshall that was killed. > > > > hgrm > > > > > > > > And did HHF try to thread the needle or was he pushed into the > other cars, > > > starting that horrendous crash. The replays didn't show enough, but > you > > have > > > to think he wouldn't knowingly hit his own teammate by taking a > chance > > like > > > that. > > > > > > And did Jenson Button fall asleep back there? > > > > > > Dave Pawlikowski > > > [email hidden] > > > www.cushdrive.com > > > " Trying is the first step towards failure " > > > Homer Simpson > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.