De La Rosa

I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it much harder was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status yet?

sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote: > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it much harder > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status yet? It was claimed in the Finnish broadcast that the victim would have more likely been a track marshal hit by flying crash debris. BTW, before the race started the Finnish TV also showed some footage from the '67 Monza race! (It was the first video footage I've seen from that era after buying GPL.) +Cinquo

DeLa Rosa is fine. The person injured is a member of the Fire Fighting team. He is listed in critical condition with head & chest injuries sustatined from flying debris. Most unfortunate and what I hate most about motorsports. Sal V. "sdgsdg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it muchharder > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status yet? > >

sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it muchharder > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status yet? They where reanimating a marshall, not Pedro... The marshall is in critical circumstances in the hospital....

Sad news I'm afraid...apparently the marshall died shortly after stabilizing. ::( The chicanes are inappropriate, but they cannot be blamed. This goes down to the terrible luck and danger that will always surround motorsport. In article <8pg360$fko$[email hidden]>, "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it much > harder > > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official statusyet? > > They where reanimating a marshall, not Pedro... The marshall is incritical > circumstances in the hospital.... > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Sjon Stigter <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... >> I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it much > harder >> was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status yet? > They where reanimating a marshall, not Pedro... The marshall is in critical > circumstances in the hospital....

....was. He just died of his injuries. Has anyone heard if anything happened to De La Rosa or the other drivers? +Cinquo

Not surprising. I would not want to be in critical condition and have to use a hospital in Europe. Pray for him and his family. -- Todd S. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pg5pr$fst$[email hidden]... > Sad news I'm afraid...apparently the marshall died shortly after > stabilizing. ::( The chicanes are inappropriate, but they cannot be > blamed. This goes down to the terrible luck and danger that will > always surround motorsport. > > In article <8pg360$fko$[email hidden]>, > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > > > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it much > > harder > > > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status > yet? > > > > They where reanimating a marshall, not Pedro... The marshall is in > critical > > circumstances in the hospital.... > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pg5pr$fst$[email hidden]... > Sad news I'm afraid...apparently the marshall died shortly after > stabilizing. ::( The chicanes are inappropriate, but they cannot be > blamed. This goes down to the terrible luck and danger that will > always surround motorsport. Terrible occurence, my sympathy goes to his family. I think no-one can be blamed directly. Just terrible bad luck. Those chicanes might be inappropriate, but just imagine the weren't there. Jos Verstappen was doing 357 km/h just before the first chicane. If that chicane wasn't ther, they would approach Curva Grande at about 400 km/h.... grtngs, hgrm

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> > In article <8pg360$fko$[email hidden]>, > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > > > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it much > > harder > > > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status > yet? > > > > They where reanimating a marshall, not Pedro... The marshall is in > critical > > circumstances in the hospital.... > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

All drivers are fine... only Frentzen has a swollen knee.... Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pg62d$h1e$[email hidden]...

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> Sjon Stigter <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > >> I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it much > > harder > >> was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status

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> > circumstances in the hospital.... > > ....was. He just died of his injuries. > > Has anyone heard if anything happened to De La Rosa or the other drivers? > > +Cinquo >

Todd Sorensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pkNu5.136162$[email hidden]... > Not surprising. I would not want to be in critical condition and have touse > a hospital in Europe. Pray for him and his family. Ever been to Europe?

Hey!! We're not living in the stone age here, ya know. I'm pretty sure he received the best medical care anyone could have offered, unfortunately to no avail. Most unfortunate. Jan. =--- Todd Sorensen wrote... > Not surprising. I would not want to be in critical condition > and have to use a hospital in Europe. Pray for him and his family. > > -- > Todd S.

WTF!? Todd Sorensen wrote:

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> Not surprising. I would not want to be in critical condition and have to use > a hospital in Europe. Pray for him and his family. > > -- > Todd S. > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pg5pr$fst$[email hidden]... > > Sad news I'm afraid...apparently the marshall died shortly after > > stabilizing. ::( The chicanes are inappropriate, but they cannot be > > blamed. This goes down to the terrible luck and danger that will > > always surround motorsport. > > > > In article <8pg360$fko$[email hidden]>, > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > > > > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it much > > > harder > > > > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status > > yet? > > > > > > They where reanimating a marshall, not Pedro... The marshall is in > > critical > > > circumstances in the hospital.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.

It wasn't at that chicane, it was at the 2nd chicane which I think is not needed as there would shortly go into a 3rd (?) gear corner anyway, so there is not a need to slow the cars down before that corner. -- Steve Levett Flyer#10 on WON --------------------------------------------------------- Lets Go Flyers The European Racing League http://drive.to/erl Co-Founder of 502 Racing --------------------------------------------------------- "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pg806$jhb$[email hidden]... > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pg5pr$fst$[email hidden]... > > Sad news I'm afraid...apparently the marshall died shortly after > > stabilizing. ::( The chicanes are inappropriate, but they cannot be > > blamed. This goes down to the terrible luck and danger that will > > always surround motorsport. > > Terrible occurence, my sympathy goes to his family. > > I think no-one can be blamed directly. Just terrible bad luck. > Those chicanes might be inappropriate, but just imagine the weren't there. > Jos Verstappen was doing 357 km/h just before the first chicane. If that > chicane wasn't ther, they would approach Curva Grande at about 400 km/h.... > > grtngs, > hgrm > > > > In article <8pg360$fko$[email hidden]>, > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > > > > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it much > > > harder > > > > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status > > yet? > > > > > > They where reanimating a marshall, not Pedro... The marshall is in > > critical > > > circumstances in the hospital.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

"Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39bbb430$[email hidden]... > It wasn't at that chicane, it was at the 2nd chicane which I think is not > needed as there would shortly go into a 3rd (?) gear corner anyway, sothere > is not a need to slow the cars down before that corner. It's the chicane after Curva Grande. Modern F1-cars can do CG flat out now, so if the chicane wasn't there, they would approach Lesmo at dangerously high speed. I think it's more dangerous to approach a semi-fast corner such as Lesmo at high speed than a slow corner. grtngs, hgrm

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> > -- > > Steve Levett > Flyer#10 on WON > --------------------------------------------------------- > Lets Go Flyers > The European Racing League http://drive.to/erl > Co-Founder of 502 Racing > --------------------------------------------------------- > > "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8pg806$jhb$[email hidden]... > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > > Sad news I'm afraid...apparently the marshall died shortly after > > > stabilizing. ::( The chicanes are inappropriate, but they cannot be > > > blamed. This goes down to the terrible luck and danger that will > > > always surround motorsport. > > > > Terrible occurence, my sympathy goes to his family. > > > > I think no-one can be blamed directly. Just terrible bad luck. > > Those chicanes might be inappropriate, but just imagine the weren't

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> > Jos Verstappen was doing 357 km/h just before the first chicane. If that > > chicane wasn't ther, they would approach Curva Grande at about 400 > km/h.... > > > > grtngs, > > hgrm > > > > > > In article <8pg360$fko$[email hidden]>, > > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > > > > > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it mu

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> > > yet? > > > > > > > > They where reanimating a marshall, not Pedro... The marshall is in > > > critical > > > > circumstances in the hospital.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > >

I noticed that camera shot as well, although the commentators (Murray Walker and Martin Brundle) seemed to miss it on our coverage. It was fairly obvious the poor marshall was in serious trouble. I don't think I'd like my last moments shown live on tv. The director should have cut away sooner. The 'general public' may watch F1 to see the crashes, but I hate those moments. "sdgsdg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it muchharder > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status yet?

So instead they approach the chicane at a dangerously high speed instead, it's a slower corner than Lesmos so they need a bigger braking area than Lesmos if the chicane wasn't there. I think the chicane caused a bottleneck which then caused the accident. In my mind if there was no chicane there would not of been an accident. -- Steve Levett Flyer#10 on WON --------------------------------------------------------- Lets Go Flyers The European Racing League http://drive.to/erl Co-Founder of 502 Racing --------------------------------------------------------- "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pggft$bnt$[email hidden]... > > "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:39bbb430$[email hidden]... > > It wasn't at that chicane, it was at the 2nd chicane which I think is not > > needed as there would shortly go into a 3rd (?) gear corner anyway, so > there > > is not a need to slow the cars down before that corner. > > It's the chicane after Curva Grande. Modern F1-cars can do CG flat out now, > so if the chicane wasn't there, they would approach Lesmo at dangerously > high speed. I think it's more dangerous to approach a semi-fast corner such > as Lesmo at high speed than a slow corner. > > grtngs, > hgrm > > > > > -- > > > > Steve Levett > > Flyer#10 on WON > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Lets Go Flyers > > The European Racing League http://drive.to/erl > > Co-Founder of 502 Racing > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8pg806$jhb$[email hidden]... > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8pg5pr$fst$[email hidden]... > > > > Sad news I'm afraid...apparently the marshall died shortly after > > > > stabilizing. ::( The chicanes are inappropriate, but they cannot be > > > > blamed. This goes down to the terrible luck and danger that will > > > > always surround motorsport. > > > > > > Terrible occurence, my sympathy goes to his family. > > > > > > I think no-one can be blamed directly. Just terrible bad luck. > > > Those chicanes might be inappropriate, but just imagine the weren't > there. > > > Jos Verstappen was doing 357 km/h just before the first chicane. If that > > > chicane wasn't ther, they would approach Curva Grande at about 400 > > km/h.... > > > > > > grtngs, > > > hgrm > > > > > > > > In article <8pg360$fko$[email hidden]>, > > > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it mu > ch > > > > > harder > > > > > > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official > status > > > > yet? > > > > > > > > > > They where reanimating a marshall, not Pedro... The marshall is in > > > > critical > > > > > circumstances in the hospital.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > > > > > >

Yeah, but drivers don't try deperate over-taking maneouvers into 4th gear corners, because there's only one line and no room. You wouldn't get a five car collision in lesmo 1, plus lesmo 1 has a big gravel trap. Whenever there's problems at Monza it's always in the braking zones to the chicanes, which ironically were brought in as a safety measure. "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pggft$bnt$[email hidden]... > > It's the chicane after Curva Grande. Modern F1-cars can do CG flat outnow, > so if the chicane wasn't there, they would approach Lesmo at dangerously > high speed. I think it's more dangerous to approach a semi-fast cornersuch > as Lesmo at high speed than a slow corner. > > grtngs, > hgrm

"Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > So instead they approach the chicane at a dangerously high speed instead, > it's a slower corner than Lesmos so they need a bigger braking area than > Lesmos if the chicane wasn't there. I think the chicane caused abottleneck > which then caused the accident. In my mind if there was no chicane there > would not of been an accident. Partially I agree with you, but OTOH, I think it's more dangerous to brake form 380 to 200 kph for Lesmo without a chicane than to brake form 280 to 100 kph before the chicane. grtngs, hgrm

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> > -- > > Steve Levett > Flyer#10 on WON > --------------------------------------------------------- > Lets Go Flyers > The European Racing League http://drive.to/erl > Co-Founder of 502 Racing > --------------------------------------------------------- > > "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8pggft$bnt$[email hidden]... > > > > "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:39bbb430$[email hidden]... > > > It wasn't at that chicane, it was at the 2nd chicane which I think is > not > > > needed as there would shortly go into a 3rd (?) gear corner anyway, so > > there > > > is not a need to slow the cars down before that corner. > > > > It's the chicane after Curva Grande. Modern F1-cars can do CG flat out > now, > > so if the chicane wasn't there, they would approach Lesmo at dangerously > > high speed. I think it's more dangerous to approach a semi-fast corner > such > > as Lesmo at high speed than a slow corner. > > > > grtngs, > > hgrm > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Steve Levett > > > Flyer#10 on WON > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > Lets Go Flyers > > > The European Racing League http://drive.to/erl > > > Co-Founder of 502 Racing > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:8pg806$jhb$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8pg5pr$fst$[email hidden]... > > > > > Sad news I'm afraid...apparently the marshall died shortly after > > > > > stabilizing. ::( The chicanes are inappropriate, but they cannot

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> > > > > blamed. This goes down to the terrible luck and danger that will > > > > > always surround motorsport. > > > > > > > > Terrible occurence, my sympathy goes to his family. > > > > > > > > I think no-one can be blamed directly. Just terrible bad luck. > > > > Those chicanes might be inappropriate, but just imagine the weren't > > there. > > > > Jos Verstappen was doing 357 km/h just before the first chicane. If > that > > > > chicane wasn't ther, they would approach Curva Grande at about 400 > > > km/h.... > > > > > > > > grtngs, > > > > hgrm > > > > > > > > > > In article <8pg360$fko$[email hidden]>, > > > > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made

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<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pg5pr$fst$[email hidden]... > Sad news I'm afraid...apparently the marshall died shortly after > stabilizing. ::( The chicanes are inappropriate, but they cannot be > blamed. This goes down to the terrible luck and danger that will > always surround motorsport. I don't think it helped that the emergency vehicles had to park on the other side of the track, and on at least one occassion someone had to wait for the procession of cars to go through before they could cross the track... IMHO, the race should have been stopped immediately with an accident of that scale... ...and all this just after Ecclestone was on TV saying how pointless American racing is because the race only occurs in the last 10 laps - so what is the point of watching the cars going round behind a safety car for the first 12 laps, or having half the field removed on the first lap??? Whilst I'm at it, who else thinks they should do something about driver behaviour on re-starts from behind the safety car? The way Schumacher slowed dramatically today, you could see an accident coming... and if Button hadn't taken to the grass (at the cost of his own race :-( ), then there would have been a mass (albeit slow speed) pile-up... G

>Not surprising. I would not want to be in critical condition and have to use >a hospital in Europe. Pray for him and his family. "Twat" (Twit?) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

We can only guess at whether there would be crashes into lesmo 1 if there wasn't a chicane before it, but the drivers would be a lot more cautious and a corner like lesmo 1 only has one line. You see few crashes on the entry to 4th gear corners generally. "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pgj5f$f0o$[email hidden]... > > Partially I agree with you, but OTOH, I think it's more dangerous to brake > form 380 to 200 kph for Lesmo without a chicane than to brake form 280 to > 100 kph before the chicane. > > hgrm

You prefer U.S. hospitals? Have a look at http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/09/10/medicalerrors.ap/index.html. The title of the story is: "Report: Thousands of hospital deaths due to overworked nurses". And be sure, it's not about european hospitals... Werner Todd Sorensen schrieb:

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Okay, that is inapporiate for this time period, someone has just died, and you make a cheap shot at something you probably don't know that much about. -Stuart Becktell "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pkNu5.136162$[email hidden]... > Not surprising. I would not want to be in critical condition and have touse

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> a hospital in Europe. Pray for him and his family. > > -- > Todd S. > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pg5pr$fst$[email hidden]... > > Sad news I'm afraid...apparently the marshall died shortly after > > stabilizing. ::( The chicanes are inappropriate, but they cannot be > > blamed. This goes down to the terrible luck and danger that will > > always surround motorsport. > > > > In article <8pg360$fko$[email hidden]>, > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > > > > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it much > > > harder > > > > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status > > yet? > > > > > > They where reanimating a marshall, not Pedro... The marshall is in > > critical > > > circumstances in the hospital.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

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> You prefer U.S. hospitals? Have a look at > http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/09/10/medicalerrors.ap/index.html. The title > of the story is: "Report: Thousands of hospital deaths due to overworked > nurses". And be sure, it's not about european hospitals... > > Werner > > > Todd Sorensen schrieb: > > > > Not surprising. I would not want to be in critical condition and have to

use > > a hospital in Europe. Pray for him and his family. > > > > -- > > Todd S. > > Too damn true! My daughter is a nurse in a small town hospital in upstate NY, those poor men and women are being worked to death. Meanwhile, here in Southern California, all of our trauma centers are closing because it costs too much to save lives. don

What? Compared to where exactly? And what part of Europe? It's a pretty big place. "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pkNu5.136162$[email hidden]... > I would not want to be in critical condition and have to use > a hospital in Europe. > > Todd S.

That's not quite true, Mika, Ralf and Jacques all had to take some form of avoiding action. Jensen wasn't paying attention though. "Bendito" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > Button was the only one of the drivers who had a problem with it. I > would put it down to his inexperience. Villeneuve lay the blame squarelyat > the feet of Button. > > Bendito;

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FXUu5.20050$[email hidden]... > That's not quite true, Mika, Ralf and Jacques all had to take some form of > avoiding action. Jensen wasn't paying attention though. Watch the helicopter replay... Fisichella clearly overtakes Ralf before dropping back... Jensen was following Fisichella, and also had Mika, Ralf and Jacques weaving across the track between him and Schumacher... Do you realistically expect Jensen to see what Schumacher is up to with all those cars in front of him? Mika, Ralf and Jacques barely managed to slow down in time (and only by spreading right across the track)... Fisichella FAILED to slow down in time and was lucky to have a clear piece of track in front of him thanks to the others having to spread out... IMHO, Jensen was paying as much attention as he could - he has to take his cues from those in front of him, and they ALL failed to read it... with the whole width of the track taken up, there was only one thing he could do - take to the grass... A ruling MUST be bought in before these tactics lead to a mass pile-up... (and it WILL happen) G

Graham Triggs wrote in message ... >Whilst I'm at it, who else thinks they should do something about driver >behaviour on re-starts from behind the safety car? The way Schumacherslowed >dramatically today, you could see an accident coming... Button was the only one of the drivers who had a problem with it. I would put it down to his inexperience. Villeneuve lay the blame squarely at the feet of Button. Bendito;

Fair enough. "Graham Triggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DgVu5.8702$[email hidden]... > > Watch the helicopter replay... > > Fisichella clearly overtakes Ralf before dropping back... Jensen was > following Fisichella, and also had Mika, Ralf and Jacques weaving acrossthe > track between him and Schumacher... > > Do you realistically expect Jensen to see what Schumacher is up to withall > those cars in front of him? > > Mika, Ralf and Jacques barely managed to slow down in time (and only by > spreading right across the track)... Fisichella FAILED to slow down intime > and was lucky to have a clear piece of track in front of him thanks to the > others having to spread out... > > IMHO, Jensen was paying as much attention as he could - he has to take his > cues from those in front of him, and they ALL failed to read it... withthe

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> whole width of the track taken up, there was only one thing he could do - > take to the grass... > > A ruling MUST be bought in before these tactics lead to a mass pile-up... > (and it WILL happen) > > G

"Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > >Not surprising. I would not want to be in critical condition and have touse > >a hospital in Europe. Pray for him and his family. > > "Twat" (Twit?) You think anyone will get it? :-) -- [email hidden]

Wouldn't we love to be kicked out of the ambulance or hospital bed over here once it was established that we were not in posession of an insurance policy of big fat bank account! MS "Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > >Not surprising. I would not want to be in critical condition and have touse

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> >a hospital in Europe. Pray for him and his family. > > "Twat" (Twit?) > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

In article <551v5.8942$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Wouldn't we love to be kicked out of the ambulance or hospital bed over here > once it was established that we were not in posession of an insurance policy > of big fat bank account! Unless you can cite specific examples of this happening, please keep your mouth shut. I have family members who work in the medical field, and none of them would exhibit this sort of callousness. -- s i m a g e r y @ h o t m a i l . c o m

BriGuy <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <551v5.8942$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Wouldn't we love to be kicked out of the ambulance or hospital bed overhere > > once it was established that we were not in posession of an insurancepolicy > > of big fat bank account! > > Unless you can cite specific examples of this happening, please keep > your mouth shut. I have family members who work in the medical field, > and none of them would exhibit this sort of callousness. Yes Mark, get your facts right. Unless you were "in possession of an insurance policy or big fat bank account" you wouldn't have been allowed in the ambulance/hospital in the first place. Tony Whitley (isn't this ever-so-slightly OT?)

"Mark.seery" wrote: > > Wouldn't we love to be kicked out of the ambulance or hospital bed over here > once it was established that we were not in posession of an insurance policy > of big fat bank account! > Really! God bless the US of A, where nothing matters but money. -- Chuck Kandler Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

> And of course there was the time Edward Kennedy, while on a fact finding > mission to Ulster, walked up to a member of the Ulster Defence Regiment, > who was manning a road block, and said, "Son, why don't you just go > home?", to which the young soldier replied in a broad Northern Irish > accent, "This is MY HOME, why don't YOU fuck off!". Hehe, that's a great story :) Particularly if you read it with an Irish accent.

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> > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:FXUu5.20050$[email hidden]... > > That's not quite true, Mika, Ralf and Jacques all had to take some form of > > avoiding action. Jensen wasn't paying attention though. > > Watch the helicopter replay... > > Fisichella clearly overtakes Ralf before dropping back... Jensen was > following Fisichella, and also had Mika, Ralf and Jacques weaving across the > track between him and Schumacher...

Well, they were sleeping or too enthusiastic (sp?), too! The pole driver dictates the speed, nobody else. > > Do you realistically expect Jensen to see what Schumacher is up to with all > those cars in front of him? They are able to handle that situation in CART after EVERY yellow flag... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Anytime someone tells ted kennedy to fuck off it's a great story! Simon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4L8v5.1214$%[email hidden]...

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> > And of course there was the time Edward Kennedy, while on a fact finding > > mission to Ulster, walked up to a member of the Ulster Defence Regiment, > > who was manning a road block, and said, "Son, why don't you just go > > home?", to which the young soldier replied in a broad Northern Irish > > accent, "This is MY HOME, why don't YOU fuck off!". > > Hehe, that's a great story :) Particularly if you read it with an Irish > accent. > > >

> ...and all this just after Ecclestone was on TV saying how pointless > American racing is because the race only occurs in the last 10 laps - so > what is the point of watching the cars going round behind a safety car for > the first 12 laps, or having half the field removed on the first lap??? Did mr. E say that? LOL! I wonder if he's ever been paying attention to what actually happens during an F1 race... "I think F1 is pointless because the race is only on in the first 5 (OK, maybe that's too much, 2 then) laps." Thomas

Hi Simon At least he knows Italy is in Europe. I was watching the news on TV over in the US once, and they said it was snowing very heavily in England. When I got home the next day, it turned out it had snowed in Scotland only :-/. And of course there was the time Edward Kennedy, while on a fact finding mission to Ulster, walked up to a member of the Ulster Defence Regiment, who was manning a road block, and said, "Son, why don't you just go home?", to which the young soldier replied in a broad Northern Irish accent, "This is MY HOME, why don't YOU fuck off!". Oh, and of course the American travel writer, who - while driving to Scotland from England - stopped at a M-way service station and tried to change her English notes for Scottish ones :))). I cant understand that in a way though <G>. Simon Brown wrote:

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> > What? Compared to where exactly? And what part of Europe? It's a pretty > big place. > > "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:pkNu5.136162$[email hidden]... > > I would not want to be in critical condition and have to use > > a hospital in Europe. > > > > Todd S.

Yeah he appears to have no idea whatsoever about N.Ireland.....and could be branded an "ARSE" Nice story :) "rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:k4cv5.44956$[email hidden]... | Anytime someone tells ted kennedy to fuck off it's a great story! | Simon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:4L8v5.1214$%[email hidden]... | > > And of course there was the time Edward Kennedy, while on a factfinding | > > mission to Ulster, walked up to a member of the Ulster DefenceRegiment,

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| > > who was manning a road block, and said, "Son, why don't you just go | > > home?", to which the young soldier replied in a broad Northern Irish | > > accent, "This is MY HOME, why don't YOU fuck off!". | > | > Hehe, that's a great story :) Particularly if you read it with an Irish | > accent. | > | > | > | |

"Karl Zosel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:k1Mv5.8437$[email hidden]... > If only Greg Moore had been helped in Europe... > ???????

Yeah, but it happens several times every race in CART. > They are able to handle that situation in CART after EVERY yellow > flag... > > -- > l8er > ronny

> > > > Do you realistically expect Jensen to see what Schumacher is up to withall > > those cars in front of him? > > They are able to handle that situation in CART after EVERY yellow > flag... > Except for Montoya on occasion! MS

Like in Portland, what was it, 1 or 2 years ago? Coming out of the last turn getting ready for green, Montoya spins the car, catches it, and if I remember correctly, retains the lead? That was sooooooooo cooooooooool! Mark.seery <[email hidden]> skrev i en nyhedsmeddelelse:L0Iv5.12939$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Do you realistically expect Jensen to see what Schumacher is up towith

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> all > > > those cars in front of him? > > > > They are able to handle that situation in CART after EVERY yellow > > flag... > > > > Except for Montoya on occasion! > > MS > > >

If only Greg Moore had been helped in Europe... Todd Sorensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pkNu5.136162$[email hidden]... > Not surprising. I would not want to be in critical condition and have touse

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> a hospital in Europe. Pray for him and his family. > > -- > Todd S. > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pg5pr$fst$[email hidden]... > > Sad news I'm afraid...apparently the marshall died shortly after > > stabilizing. ::( The chicanes are inappropriate, but they cannot be > > blamed. This goes down to the terrible luck and danger that will > > always surround motorsport. > > > > In article <8pg360$fko$[email hidden]>, > > "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > sdgsdg <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:8pfu2m$stn$[email hidden]... > > > > I know its off topic but I just saw the crash, but what made it much > > > harder > > > > was the heli shot of the medics performing CPR, any official status > > yet? > > > > > > They where reanimating a marshall, not Pedro... The marshall is in > > critical > > > circumstances in the hospital.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

Yeah.....a very stupid thing to say. Not exactly nice "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pp8gp$3uf$[email hidden]...

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| | "Karl Zosel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:k1Mv5.8437$[email hidden]... | > If only Greg Moore had been helped in Europe... | > | | ??????? | |

don hodgdon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pp8gp$3uf$[email hidden]...

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> > "Karl Zosel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:k1Mv5.8437$[email hidden]... > > If only Greg Moore had been helped in Europe... > > > > ???????

Dear Don, it was a sarcastic remark because I think its totally stupid to think European hospitals are worse than American.. .. as the original post suggested