Schumacher Breakdown...

The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. We did it once, we can do it again :-) -- [email hidden] ------------------------------- We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 races ago and finally won one. He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna and you actually believe that he is emotional because of circumstances from this year? Please... I do hope that you make amends for your huge error in the next broadcast. Regards, Greg Cisko

I was thinking the same thing. Schumacher had just been asked how he felt about the race, to which he answered that it was indescribable (though obviously intense). They then stated that he had matched the win record of Senna, who had died in a race that Schumacher won (remember- that was one of his victory total) and they get a hugely emotional response. And they wonder if its because he broke his winless streak? C'mon! At least we didn't get any long helicopter shots of the marshal being attended to, which was broadcast on some other networks. If anyone should be apologized to, those networks should be apologizing to the family and friends of Paolo Ghislimberti. "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dMZu5.46576$[email hidden]...

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> The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. > If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your > displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really > think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them > a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same > disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. > We did it once, we can do it again :-) > > -- > > [email hidden] > > ------------------------------- > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > races ago and finally won one. > > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that > season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna > and you actually believe that he is emotional because of > circumstances from this year? Please... > > I do hope that you make amends for your huge error > in the next broadcast. > > Regards, > Greg Cisko > > > > >

Yes I agree with you, I think he was emotional about the fact that h had tied Aryton Senna race wins. But I believe Senna was killed at Imola and not Monza...... Scott

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> ------------------------------- > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > races ago and finally won one. > > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that > season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna > and you actually believe that he is emotional because of > circumstances from this year? Please... > > I do hope that you make amends for your huge error > in the next broadcast. > > Regards, > Greg Cisko > > > > >

Greg, I agree with you to a certain point about Michael being upset about Ayrton. However that was not the factor behind Michael's breakdown in the press confernence. He has had alot to deal with this year. These factors include; losing the lead of the championship after a huge lead, pressure on his driving style (eg. his sweve at the starts), Heavy critisim and being branded a 'cheater' and an arogant person by some members of the press. It was when all these factors combined with wining Ferrari's home Grand Prix, Monza, and the fact that he equaled Ayrton's record that he brokedown. So yes Ayrton's was a key part however it was not the only reason why he was reduced to tears in the interview. Allan Harrison - [email hidden] "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dMZu5.46576$[email hidden]...

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> The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. > If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your > displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really > think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them > a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same > disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. > We did it once, we can do it again :-) > > -- > > [email hidden] > > ------------------------------- > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > races ago and finally won one. > > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that > season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna > and you actually believe that he is emotional because of > circumstances from this year? Please... > > I do hope that you make amends for your huge error > in the next broadcast. > > Regards, > Greg Cisko > > > > >

> Yes I agree with you, I think he was emotional about the fact that h had > tied Aryton Senna race wins. But I believe Senna was killed at Imola andnot > Monza...... But Greg was probably thinking of Imola 1994 when Senna died and Scumacher won ( "He won the race in which Senna was killed..." ). Borut

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> The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. > If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your > displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really > think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them > a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same > disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. > We did it once, we can do it again :-)

I'll just let you send this one thanks. --

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> > [email hidden] > > ------------------------------- > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > races ago and finally won one. >

Hmmmmm .... > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > bother to check). I think not Greg, if you would please bother to check: http://www.f1-grandprix.com/senna.html

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> He was very very subdued for much of that > season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna > and you actually believe that he is emotional because of > circumstances from this year? Please... > > I do hope that you make amends for your huge error > in the next broadcast. >

.... and yours Greg in you next posting. > Regards, > Greg Cisko > Wooky -- [email hidden]

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> > > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > > bother to check). > > I think not Greg, if you would please bother to check: > http://www.f1-grandprix.com/senna.html >

Reread the post. The race in which Senna was killed was the 1994 Grand Prix of San Marino in Imola. That race was won by Michael Schumacher.

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> > > > I do hope that you make amends for your huge error > > in the next broadcast. > > > > .... and yours Greg in you next posting. >

<ahem> -Gregor

>You'd better check here: You have to feel for Nicola Larini too, achieving his best ever finish in a GP, in his dream car, at that race... -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Wooky wrote in message ... >> He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please >> bother to check). > >I think not Greg, if you would please bother to check: >http://www.f1-grandprix.com/senna.html You'd better check here: http://www.forix.com/asp/gp.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=9403&c=0 >> I do hope that you make amends for your huge error >> in the next broadcast. >> > >.... and yours Greg in you next posting. ...and you, too, Wooky. Bendito;

We don't know why he broke down. He wouldn't say. Maybe he was sad because Bobby Knight was fired. Maybe he is a Notre Dame football fan and was distraught about the loss to the #1 Huskers. But, you may be correct. -- Todd S "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dMZu5.46576$[email hidden]... > The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. > If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your > displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really > think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them > a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same > disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. > We did it once, we can do it again :-) > > -- > > [email hidden] > > ------------------------------- > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > races ago and finally won one. > > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that > season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna > and you actually believe that he is emotional because of > circumstances from this year? Please... > > I do hope that you make amends for your huge error > in the next broadcast. > > Regards, > Greg Cisko > > > > >

I agree, it was definitely the mention of the fact that Michael now had the same number of wins as Senna that made him emotional. Senna was a hero for Michael and it brought back the memory of his death, it had nothing to do with this year championship or general pressure. I also read a report that the drivers were told of the marshalls death before they went into the press conference in case they were asked questions about it, but I don't know whether that report it true. "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dMZu5.46576$[email hidden]...

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> The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. > If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your > displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really > think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them > a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same > disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. > We did it once, we can do it again :-)

"Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mB_u5.141$[email hidden]... > Yes I agree with you, I think he was emotional about the fact that h had > tied Aryton Senna race wins. But I believe Senna was killed at Imola andnot > Monza...... I never said or implied that he was killed at Monza. I also wonder how anyone could "read" that from my comments. -- [email hidden]

"Wooky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > > bother to check). > > I think not Greg, if you would please bother to check: > http://www.f1-grandprix.com/senna.html Bother to check what? The race in which senna was killed was won by schumacher. I never said or implied that race was at monza. What the hell is wrong with you anyway? -- [email hidden]

"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ED3v5.138661$[email hidden]... > We don't know why he broke down. He wouldn't say. Maybe he was sad because > Bobby Knight was fired. Maybe he is a Notre Dame football fan and was > distraught about the loss to the #1 Huskers. But, you may be correct. I am... -- [email hidden]

Greg, Thats what I thought you meant originally too......you said that Schumacher had won the same race in which Senna was killed, but a few of us thought that you meant that he had won YESTERDAY at the same CIRCUIT (monza).... Its not ur fault we are thick though :) Ash "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5i4v5.46760$[email hidden]...

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| "Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:mB_u5.141$[email hidden]... | > Yes I agree with you, I think he was emotional about the fact that h had | > tied Aryton Senna race wins. But I believe Senna was killed at Imola and | not | > Monza...... | | I never said or implied that he was killed at Monza. I also wonder | how anyone could "read" that from my comments. | | | -- | | [email hidden] | | | | |

Yep. Nicola was a great driver who never really showed, or was allowed to show his full potential. MS "Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > >You'd better check here: > > You have to feel for Nicola Larini too, achieving his best ever finish > in a GP, in his dream car, at that race... > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

Do you guys remember Hakinen's sobbing in the bushes during last year's championship? At Monza wasn't it? Now, THAT was a breakdown. He had just made a huge mistake taking himself out of the race while he had the lead. That didn't keep him from winning the 1999 championship. Anyway I really don't see why you're making such a big deal out of this Greg. Who cares what Derek Bell said. It was just speculation. No one knows exactly why he broke down. That includes you and me, Derek, the whole world. Chances are even Schumacher would have a tough time explaining. On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:30:49 +1000, "Allan Harrison" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Greg, I agree with you to a certain point about Michael being upset about >Ayrton. However that was not the factor behind Michael's breakdown in the >press confernence. He has had alot to deal with this year. These factors >include; losing the lead of the championship after a huge lead, pressure on >his driving style (eg. his sweve at the starts), Heavy critisim and being >branded a 'cheater' and an arogant person by some members of the press. It >was when all these factors combined with wining Ferrari's home Grand Prix, >Monza, and the fact that he equaled Ayrton's record that he brokedown. > >So yes Ayrton's was a key part however it was not the only reason why he was >reduced to tears in the interview. > >Allan Harrison - [email hidden] > >

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> "Wooky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > > > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > > > bother to check). > > > > I think not Greg, if you would please bother to check: > > http://www.f1-grandprix.com/senna.html > > Bother to check what? The race in which senna was killed > was won by schumacher. I never said or implied that race > was at monza. > > What the hell is wrong with you anyway? > > > -- > > [email hidden] >

Fair enough Greg, misinterpreted it. Apologies. But I thought it was worth a 'Who the hell are you anyway' really. Wooky -- [email hidden]

Boyos, if I was under that much pressure (the highest salary in F1 by a humongous margin) from Ferrari to FINALLY deliver a World Championship after such a long drought, I'd be crying before I ever got in the car. To me, Schumacher's like Senna: love him or hate him, he's the best of his era. Imagine what F1 would have been like over the past 6 years had Senna lived... BB

Gault <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8phul2$lpc$[email hidden]... > I was thinking the same thing. Schumacher had just been asked how he felt > about the race, to which he answered that it was indescribable (though > obviously intense). They then stated that he had matched the win recordof > Senna, who had died in a race that Schumacher won (remember- that was oneof

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> his victory total) and they get a hugely emotional response. And they > wonder if its because he broke his winless streak? C'mon! > > At least we didn't get any long helicopter shots of the marshal being > attended to, which was broadcast on some other networks. If anyone should > be apologized to, those networks should be apologizing to the family and > friends of Paolo Ghislimberti. >

The world feed did it's best to see what was going on by getting behind the curtain, obviously this is there job, to see who it is and what is wrong. (I thought it was Rubens for a minute). Unfortunately it was a very serious thing which they shouldn't have showed but they were quick to remove these pictures once they saw what was happening. It's their job to see what's going on but I would praise the TV director to have enough sense to stay clear of showing these angles when we found out what was happening.

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> > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > races ago and finally won one. > > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that > season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna > and you actually believe that he is emotional because of > circumstances from this year? Please...

Wow, I'm stunned! I finally agree with you on one thing... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

In article <[email hidden]>, Gary <[email hidden]> wrote: [snip] > Anyway I really don't see why you're making such a big deal out of > this Greg. Who cares what Derek Bell said. It was just speculation. > No one knows exactly why he broke down. That includes you and me, > Derek, the whole world. Chances are even Schumacher would have a tough > time explaining. Well said. Derek Bell redefines the world "moron"... anything he ever says is virtually killfiled in my brain. I hardly ever hear him anymore. The guy is a moron. That is a word made to describe his pompous ass ignorant self-agrandizing pathetic pile of self. As for Michael's breakdown, I thought it was a cumulative affect of several things, including the Senna thing, and his hardships this year of late. I also thought it was nice of Mika to console him. I remember having a bit of laugh at Mika's breakdown last year... shame on me... I see it a bit differently now. Part of what I love about F1 is the passion and emotional investment of all the lads. -=hammer Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Greg Cisko wrote >I am... No actually, I think it _was_ that Fighting Irish' loss. -Laurens de Jong, The Netherlands.

"Wooky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Fair enough Greg, misinterpreted it. Apologies. But I thought it was > worth a 'Who the hell are you anyway' really. OK. Who in the hell are you anyway? Dork (thrown in for good measure). :-) -- [email hidden]

"Gary" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Anyway I really don't see why you're making such a big deal out of > this Greg. Who cares what Derek Bell said. It was just speculation. Well Senna was "my guy" and I quit watching F1 for almost 2 years after he was killed. So to me it was obvious why Schumacher broke down. I suppose I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I am sure we will eventually find out from MS. -- [email hidden] > No one knows exactly why he broke down. That includes you and me, > Derek, the whole world. Chances are even Schumacher would have a tough > time explaining.

>We were able to get a response out of them >a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). difference is, that had some merit.. > I do hope that you make amends for your huge error > in the next broadcast. > > Regards, > Greg Cisko LOL, huge error??? heh, give it a rest..im not gonna say your guess is as good as his, cause i happen to agree with you, but it is just that. A guess. So derek bell said something stupid..So f%^in what? good luck in your misguided mission for an apology. dunk Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:57:44 +0100, "Mark.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Nicola was a great driver who never really showed, or was allowed to show >his full potential. What about the first part of 1997 when Nicola was outclassed by Johnny Herbert? Nice guy from what I read, but probably not a great driver. Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Sorry Greg, but I see that I wasn't th only person the read your comments that way..... Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5i4v5.46760$[email hidden]...

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> "Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mB_u5.141$[email hidden]... > > Yes I agree with you, I think he was emotional about the fact that h had > > tied Aryton Senna race wins. But I believe Senna was killed at Imola and > not > > Monza...... > > I never said or implied that he was killed at Monza. I also wonder > how anyone could "read" that from my comments. > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > >

> I also read a report that the drivers were told of the marshalls death > before they went into the press conference in case they were askedquestions Sounds fair. I remember Tour de France 1995 when a rider (Fabio Casartelli) was killed and some of the front riders didn't know that he was dead before they were asked about it. Lots of riders had a breakdown in front of the camera. I think they knew it, because Michael was wild on the podium, but when he came to the press conference he was much more silent. Jeppe

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>"Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ED3v5.138661$[email hidden]... >> We don't know why he broke down. He wouldn't say. Maybe he was sad >because >> Bobby Knight was fired. Maybe he is a Notre Dame football fan and was >> distraught about the loss to the #1 Huskers. But, you may be correct. > >I am... >

Don't think so. When he answered the first question (can't remember what it was exactly) I thought there was something not quite so up beat about his reply/answer as if there was something else on his mind. I believe that the Ayrton Senna question was just the final catalyst. I think if you are proved wrong that, as a penance, you should be forced to play GP3 every day for 3 hours, till the end of the month. :) -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

I'm stunned, I do too !!! ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > snip > > > > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > > races ago and finally won one........... > Wow, I'm stunned! I finally agree with you on one thing... > > -- > l8er > ronny >

>He'd have been in CART. '94 was going to be Senna's last year in F-1. He >was sick of the politics and the drive by wire cars. What about his dream of ending his career at Ferrari? Besides, I thought he always said that CART was too dangerous. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:csczSWA$[email hidden]... > I think if you are proved wrong that, as a penance, you should be forced > to play GP3 every day for 3 hours, till the end of the month. :) Your on... -- [email hidden]

Well that doesn't mean I am going to start taking fuzzy warm showers with you two assholes ;-) But we could probably go and have a burger and a beer with no problems... -- [email hidden] "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pm892$nr3$[email hidden]... > I'm stunned, I do too !!! ;) > > -- > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > > snip > > > > > > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > > > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > > > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > > > races ago and finally won one........... > > > Wow, I'm stunned! I finally agree with you on one thing... > > > > -- > > l8er > > ronny > > > > >

Guess somebody forgot to tell MS http://www.itv-f1.com/news/news_story.php3?mediaid=2261 "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dMZu5.46576$[email hidden]...

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> The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. > If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your > displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really > think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them > a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same > disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. > We did it once, we can do it again :-) > > -- > > [email hidden] > > ------------------------------- > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > races ago and finally won one. > > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that > season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna > and you actually believe that he is emotional because of > circumstances from this year? Please... > > I do hope that you make amends for your huge error > in the next broadcast. > > Regards, > Greg Cisko > > > > >

Uh oh....................!!!!!!!! Marc "joelno" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:#KP#z9SHAHA.326@cpmsnbbsa09...

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> Guess somebody forgot to tell MS > > http://www.itv-f1.com/news/news_story.php3?mediaid=2261 > > > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dMZu5.46576$[email hidden]... > > The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. > > If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your > > displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really > > think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them > > a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same > > disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. > > We did it once, we can do it again :-) > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > > > ------------------------------- > > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > > races ago and finally won one. > > > > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > > bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that > > season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna > > and you actually believe that he is emotional because of > > circumstances from this year? Please... > > > > I do hope that you make amends for your huge error > > in the next broadcast. > > > > Regards, > > Greg Cisko > > > > > > > > > > > >

Marc Collins wrote: > > Uh oh....................!!!!!!!! Poor Greg...... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Well that is the biggest pile of BS I have read in quite some time :-) I guess I will go get GP3 now... -- [email hidden] "joelno" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:#KP#z9SHAHA.326@cpmsnbbsa09... > Guess somebody forgot to tell MS > > http://www.itv-f1.com/news/news_story.php3?mediaid=2261 > > > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dMZu5.46576$[email hidden]... > > The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. > > If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your > > displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really > > think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them > > a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same > > disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. > > We did it once, we can do it again :-) > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > > > ------------------------------- > > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > > races ago and finally won one. > > > > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > > bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that > > season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna > > and you actually believe that he is emotional because of > > circumstances from this year? Please... > > > > I do hope that you make amends for your huge error > > in the next broadcast. > > > > Regards, > > Greg Cisko > > > > > > > > > > > >

He'd have been in CART. '94 was going to be Senna's last year in F-1. He was sick of the politics and the drive by wire cars. Mike Barton Brown wrote:

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> Boyos, if I was under that much pressure (the highest salary in F1 by a > humongous margin) from Ferrari to FINALLY deliver a World Championship > after such a long drought, I'd be crying before I ever got in the car. > To me, Schumacher's like Senna: love him or hate him, he's the best of > his era. Imagine what F1 would have been like over the past 6 years had > Senna lived... > > BB

Looks like your playing GP3 for a while :) hehe Ash "joelno" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:#KP#z9SHAHA.326@cpmsnbbsa09...

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| Guess somebody forgot to tell MS | | http://www.itv-f1.com/news/news_story.php3?mediaid=2261 | | | "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:dMZu5.46576$[email hidden]... | > The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. | > If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your | > displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really | > think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them | > a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same | > disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. | > We did it once, we can do it again :-) | > | > -- | > | > [email hidden] | > | > ------------------------------- | > We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. | > Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during | > the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 | > races ago and finally won one. | > | > He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. | > He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please | > bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that | > season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna | > and you actually believe that he is emotional because of | > circumstances from this year? Please... | > | > I do hope that you make amends for your huge error | > in the next broadcast. | > | > Regards, | > Greg Cisko | > | > | > | > | > | |

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:10:12 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. >If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your >displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really >think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them >a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same >disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. >We did it once, we can do it again :-) > >-- > >[email hidden] > >------------------------------- >We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. >Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during >the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 >races ago and finally won one. > >He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. >He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please >bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that >season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna >and you actually believe that he is emotional because of >circumstances from this year? Please... > >I do hope that you make amends for your huge error >in the next broadcast. > >Regards, >Greg Cisko

How, may I ask, are you qualified to explain why MS was so emotional during the press conference? Did he call you to explain his actions or are you possessed of some psychic powers unavailable to the rest of us mere mortals? It would seem so based on your definitive assertion that you know EXACTLY what he was thinking at the moment. Someone over in RASF1 posted the following translation of an interview conducted after the fact. Guess what, not a word about Senna! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've seen an interview with Schumacher after his emotional outburst during the post-race press conference. This interview can be found at least in these web sites: http://formel1.jubii.dk/nyheder/news.asp?start=4390 http://www.sport1.de/News/Motorsport/Formel1/Meldungen/ schumi_bewegt_die_welt_mel.html Schumacher explained why he cried after the cameras had been turned off. I try to translate the danish version of his explanation. "It's pretty obvious why this victory means so much. We are in Italy. We've had problems with our car in the last couple of races and haven't been as competitive as we wanted to, but now we are back. Even though I don't lead the Championship, the victory was a relief. No doubt about that. This is my 41th victory and I dedicate it to the fantastic fans who I feel even closer to now, and to the 500 Ferrari workers who are trying to make me a World Champion again". I also try to translate the German version (even though I'm not 100% fluent in German): "A big rock has fallen from my heart. This race meant extremely much to me - and then also winning my 41th Grand Prix victory here. That was all a little bit too much for me". ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> >On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:10:12 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> >wrote: >>He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. >>He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please >>bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that >>season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna >>and you actually believe that he is emotional because of >>circumstances from this year? Please... >>

Oh, and by the way, he didn't win the race in which Senna was killed. That would have been the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola, while this particular race was the Italian Grand Prix at Monza (if you would please bother to check)...

Rob wrote: > > Oh, and by the way, he didn't win the race in which Senna was killed. > That would have been the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola, while this > particular race was the Italian Grand Prix at Monza (if you would > please bother to check)... WTF??? That's *where* Senna was killed. (If you would please bother to check)... -- Chuck Kandler Windows--computing for the Unwashed Masses Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

"Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Oh, and by the way, he didn't win the race in which Senna was killed. > That would have been the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola, while this > particular race was the Italian Grand Prix at Monza (if you would > please bother to check)... Check the history books again bud. May 1st 1994: San Marino GP at Imola. Winner M. Schumacher Ayrton Senna lost his life in a accidcent at Tamburello corner in this race on lap 5. MS

Rob wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >Oh, and by the way, he didn't win the race in which Senna was killed. >That would have been the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola, while this >particular race was the Italian Grand Prix at Monza (if you would >please bother to check)... I checked a few days ago and posted the link to this forum!! Here it is again, for those who missed it the first time: http://www.forix.com/asp/gp.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=9403&c=0 Bendito;

Greg Cisko wrote: > > Well that doesn't mean I am going to start taking fuzzy > warm showers with you two assholes ;-) > > But we could probably go and have a burger and a beer > with no problems... Only, if I can say "F12k is bad!" without being called a Twit, no, Twat, or Twot, hmm Twut...Damn, what was it? Wait a minute, you just called us assholes. Geez, it gets worse with every post... :^) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

>Add in >Monetermini's practice in Spain "Practice crash in Spain". Ahem. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

>Lehto was the guy who had the startline accident at Imola causing the pace >car to come out. He also broke his neck pre-season, as did Jean Alesi. Add in Monetermini's practice in Spain, and altogether you see that 1994 wasn't the best of years to be driving in F1 :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

If your explanation is true, then schumacher is a total puss... -- [email hidden] "Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:10:12 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >The following is an email I sent to [email hidden]. > >If anyone else feels the same please email them to voice your > >displeasure. I really cannot believe that Derek Bell would really > >think such a thing. We were able to get a response out of them > >a few races ago (sound in PC racing sims). If you feel the same > >disgust as I do about this, please email them to get a retraction. > >We did it once, we can do it again :-) > > > >-- > > > >[email hidden] > > > >------------------------------- > >We are not idiots/morons so please do not treat us as such. > >Michael Schumacher most certainly did not breakdown during > >the live news conference because he was 20 points ahead 6 > >races ago and finally won one. > > > >He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > >He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > >bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that > >season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna > >and you actually believe that he is emotional because of > >circumstances from this year? Please... > > > >I do hope that you make amends for your huge error > >in the next broadcast. > > > >Regards, > >Greg Cisko > > How, may I ask, are you qualified to explain why MS was so emotional > during the press conference? Did he call you to explain his actions > or are you possessed of some psychic powers unavailable to the rest of > us mere mortals? It would seem so based on your definitive assertion > that you know EXACTLY what he was thinking at the moment. Someone > over in RASF1 posted the following translation of an interview > conducted after the fact. Guess what, not a word about Senna! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- > I've seen an interview with Schumacher after his emotional > outburst during the post-race press conference. > > This interview can be found at least in these web sites: > > http://formel1.jubii.dk/nyheder/news.asp?start=4390 > > http://www.sport1.de/News/Motorsport/Formel1/Meldungen/ > schumi_bewegt_die_welt_mel.html > > Schumacher explained why he cried after the cameras > had been turned off. I try to translate the danish version > of his explanation. > > "It's pretty obvious why this victory means so much. > We are in Italy. We've had problems with our car > in the last couple of races and haven't been as > competitive as we wanted to, but now we are back. > > Even though I don't lead the Championship, the victory > was a relief. No doubt about that. This is my 41th > victory and I dedicate it to the fantastic fans who I > feel even closer to now, and to the 500 Ferrari > workers who are trying to make me a World > Champion again". > > I also try to translate the German version (even though > I'm not 100% fluent in German): > > "A big rock has fallen from my heart. This race meant > extremely much to me - and then also winning my 41th > Grand Prix victory here. That was all a little bit too much > for me". > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- > > >

"Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Oh, and by the way, he didn't win the race in which Senna was killed. Yes he did. > That would have been the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola, while this Ok then who did with the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola the day in which senna died? Please enlighten me. > particular race was the Italian Grand Prix at Monza (if you would > please bother to check)... Schumacher did win the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola the same day that Senna was killed. Pull your head out your ass and read my post again. DUH. I never said or implied that senna was killed at Monza. DUH again. Amazing anal inversion you have going there bud. -- [email hidden]

You forgot to say DUH... -- [email hidden] "Mark.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:C3Tv5.23342$[email hidden]... > > "Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Oh, and by the way, he didn't win the race in which Senna was killed. > > That would have been the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola, while this > > particular race was the Italian Grand Prix at Monza (if you would > > please bother to check)... > > Check the history books again bud. > > May 1st 1994: San Marino GP at Imola. > > Winner M. Schumacher > Ayrton Senna lost his life in a accidcent at Tamburello corner in this race > on lap 5. > > MS > >

One other thing. You seem like a very opinionated ahole to me. Who in the hell are you anyway? -- [email hidden] "Rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > > >On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:10:12 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > >wrote: > > >>He was emotional because of the memory of Ayrton Senna. > >>He won the race in which Senna was killed (if you would please > >>bother to check). He was very very subdued for much of that > >>season. Now he get his 41st victory and is tied with Senna > >>and you actually believe that he is emotional because of > >>circumstances from this year? Please... > >> > > Oh, and by the way, he didn't win the race in which Senna was killed. > That would have been the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola, while this > particular race was the Italian Grand Prix at Monza (if you would > please bother to check)...

Duh! hows that?? :) Ratzenberger died in practice on the same weekend Senna died, then one or two rounds later somebody else ALMOST got killed at Monaco...(JJ Lehto?) <amazing how the mind fades...I seem to remember it was a driver of a black car, probably the guy who kept getting into shunts with michael andretti that one season mikey went over...anyone???> "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CzWv5.50328$

Dave: The injured driver was Karl Wendlinger. The car was a Sauber-Mercedes and it was the very next race - at Monaco. I believe Karl may have won the 24 hours of Daytona this past year too so he has made it back. arcman Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > Duh! hows that?? :) > Ratzenberger died in practice on the same weekend Senna died, then one or > two rounds later somebody else ALMOST got killed at Monaco...(JJ Lehto?) > <amazing how the mind fades...I seem to remember it was a driver of a black > car, probably the guy who kept getting into shunts with michael andretti > that one season mikey went over...anyone???> > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CzWv5.50328$

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HKXv5.78128$[email hidden]... > Duh! hows that?? :) > Ratzenberger died in practice on the same weekend Senna died, then oneor > two rounds later somebody else ALMOST got killed at Monaco...(JJ Lehto?) Lehto was the guy who had the startline accident at Imola causing the pace car to come out. At Monaco, It was the Sauber of Karl Wendlinger that crashed. This effectively ended his F1 career. A black month for Austrian motorsport indeed with one driver dead and another almost following him. MS > <amazing how the mind fades...I seem to remember it was a driver of ablack > car, probably the guy who kept getting into shunts with michael andretti > that one season mikey went over...anyone???> > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CzWv5.50328$ > >

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> > Well that is the biggest pile of BS I have read in quite some time :-) > I guess I will go get GP3 now... > > -- > > [email hidden] >

From www.planet-f1.com: Speaking to RTL, Schumacher said that his break down in the post race press conference was due to the pressure he had been under racing at Ferrari's home race, but that it was thinking of Ayrton Senna that started the tears. "It was a mixture of many things that moved me in Monza," Michael said. "When I thought of Senna, it was really too much for me." Michael equaled Senna?s total of 41 Grand Prix victories at Monza, and it is clear that the record means a lot. -Gregor

The driver of the black car was Karl Wendlinger, in the Sauber. At least that's how I remember it but I could be wrong :) I'll duble-check in my '94 season review.... -- Ivo On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Dave Henrie wrote: > Duh! hows that?? :) > Ratzenberger died in practice on the same weekend Senna died, then one or > two rounds later somebody else ALMOST got killed at Monaco...(JJ Lehto?) > <amazing how the mind fades...I seem to remember it was a driver of a black > car, probably the guy who kept getting into shunts with michael andretti > that one season mikey went over...anyone???> > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CzWv5.50328$ > > > >

"Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > Well that is the biggest pile of BS I have read in quite some time :-) > > I guess I will go get GP3 now... > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > > > From www.planet-f1.com: > > Speaking to RTL, Schumacher said that his break down in the post race > press conference was due to the pressure he had been under racing at > Ferrari's home race, but that it was thinking of Ayrton Senna that > started the tears.

OK whew... I didn't want to buy GP3 anyway :-) -- [email hidden] > "It was a mixture of many things that moved me in Monza," Michael said. > > "When I thought of Senna, it was really too much for me." > > Michael equaled Senna?s total of 41 Grand Prix victories at Monza, and > it is clear that the record means a lot. > > -Gregor

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> > OK whew... I didn't want to buy GP3 anyway :-) > > -- > > [email hidden] >

Hey, you should buy it anyway, that wasn't my intention ;). -Gregor

Damn.....i'll get you next time gadget :)

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| | OK whew... I didn't want to buy GP3 anyway :-) | | | -- | | [email hidden] | | | |

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>Greg Cisko wrote: >> >> Well that is the biggest pile of BS I have read in quite some time :-) >> I guess I will go get GP3 now... >> >> -- >> >> [email hidden] >> > >From www.planet-f1.com: > >Speaking to RTL, Schumacher said that his break down in the post race >press conference was due to the pressure he had been under racing at >Ferrari's home race, but that it was thinking of Ayrton Senna that >started the tears. > >"It was a mixture of many things that moved me in Monza," Michael said. > >"When I thought of Senna, it was really too much for me." > > Michael equaled Senna?s total of 41 Grand Prix victories at Monza, and >it is clear that the record means a lot. >

Now now, don't help him weedle his way out of this Gregor. I hope by now that Greg has a certain game fully installed on his system. Hehe -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

Damn it, so close !! ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote > > Speaking to RTL, Schumacher said that his break down in the post race > > press conference was due to the pressure he had been under racing at > > Ferrari's home race, but that it was thinking of Ayrton Senna that > > started the tears. > > OK whew... I didn't want to buy GP3 anyway :-) > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > > "It was a mixture of many things that moved me in Monza," Michael said. > > > > "When I thought of Senna, it was really too much for me." > > > > Michael equaled Senna?s total of 41 Grand Prix victories at Monza, and > > it is clear that the record means a lot. > > > > -Gregor > >

"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Now now, don't help him weedle his way out of this Gregor. I hope by > now that Greg has a certain game fully installed on his system. Hehe I am weedled all the way OUT :-) -- [email hidden]

"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pqna9$eu6$[email hidden]... > Damn.....i'll get you next time gadget :) You will? What are you oging to get me? :-) -- [email hidden] > > | > | OK whew... I didn't want to buy GP3 anyway :-) > | > | > | -- > | > | [email hidden] > | > | > > | | > >

A shiny new copy of GP3 ;) "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IHdw5.240$[email hidden]...

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| | "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:8pqna9$eu6$[email hidden]... | > Damn.....i'll get you next time gadget :) | | You will? What are you oging to get me? | | :-) | | | -- | | [email hidden] | | | > | > | | > | OK whew... I didn't want to buy GP3 anyway :-) | > | | > | | > | -- | > | | > | [email hidden] | > | | > | | > | > | | | > | > | |

Being called an ahole was a huge compliment coming from Greg <VBG> -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > Well that doesn't mean I am going to start taking fuzzy > > warm showers with you two assholes ;-) > > > > But we could probably go and have a burger and a beer > > with no problems... > > Only, if I can say "F12k is bad!" without being called > a Twit, no, Twat, or Twot, hmm Twut...Damn, what was it? > > Wait a minute, you just called us assholes. Geez, it gets > worse with every post... :^) > > -- > l8er > ronny > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > to take effect. Reboot now? > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Ian P wrote: > > Being called an ahole was a huge compliment coming from Greg <VBG> Well, then he's giving out compliments at an inflationary (sp?) rate, isn't he? ;) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Well I'm sure you guys knew I was joking. -- [email hidden] "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pval0$b90$[email hidden]... > Being called an ahole was a huge compliment coming from Greg <VBG> > > -- > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > > Ronald Stoehr <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > > > Well that doesn't mean I am going to start taking fuzzy > > > warm showers with you two assholes ;-) > > > > > > But we could probably go and have a burger and a beer > > > with no problems... > > > > Only, if I can say "F12k is bad!" without being called > > a Twit, no, Twat, or Twot, hmm Twut...Damn, what was it? > > > > Wait a minute, you just called us assholes. Geez, it gets > > worse with every post... :^) > > > > -- > > l8er > > ronny > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > > to take effect. Reboot now? > > |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, > > ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. > > |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, > > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off! > >

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> Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > Well that doesn't mean I am going to start taking fuzzy > > warm showers with you two assholes ;-) > > > > But we could probably go and have a burger and a beer > > with no problems... > > Only, if I can say "F12k is bad!" without being called > a Twit, no, Twat, or Twot, hmm Twut...Damn, what was it?

Sure no problem. > Wait a minute, you just called us assholes. Geez, it gets > worse with every post... :^) It took many years to fully develop that unique style :-) -- [email hidden]