Seeing as this is very much in the news today, I thought I might aswell
share with you what I was discussing with a friend a few days ago.
What I basically said was that chicanes are a quick and cheap solution to
slowing cars down, they also spoil the character of a circuit. The chicanes
at Monza are so out of character compared to the rest of the track, or the
original track I should say. The chicane at Suzuka is also a pimple on the
nose of that otherwise fine layout and the three examples at Hockenheim
reduce that track to a
accelerate/brake/accelerate/brake/accelerate/brake/accelerate situation for
90% of the race.
It would be nice if circuit owners could maybe take a leaf out of
Silverstones book, where they had just the one chicane (woodcote) but
removed that and instead built a series of differant and challenging turns
which slowed the cars down but have not spoilt the circuit. The new track
in Malaysia is also a good example of how a modern track can be interesting
and exciting and also quite quick but without a chicane in sight.
Surely a series of medium speed corners where the chicanes are now at Monza
would reduce the speeds but would also not result in the carnage we saw
yesterday? I'm sure circuit planners can be a little more creative!
Chris
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"Chris Bloom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Seeing as this is very much in the news today, I thought I might aswell
> share with you what I was discussing with a friend a few days ago.
I may be wrong but I think he chicane on woodcote corner at Silverstone was
actually quite a good one. I have seen videos of Brambillia flinging his
March through there in 75? and it looked verry spectacular the way he slid
the car through there! Also Keke Rosberg lapping with an average speed of
nearly 161mph!! It shows that chicanes can be good but unfortunatly the
majority if not all remaining chicanes are poorly designed and an unsuitable
solution.
David
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> Seeing as this is very much in the news today, I thought I might aswell
> share with you what I was discussing with a friend a few days ago.
>
> What I basically said was that chicanes are a quick and cheap solution to
> slowing cars down, they also spoil the character of a circuit. Thechicanes
> at Monza are so out of character compared to the rest of the track, or the
> original track I should say. The chicane at Suzuka is also a pimple onthe
> nose of that otherwise fine layout and the three examples at Hockenheim
> reduce that track to a
> accelerate/brake/accelerate/brake/accelerate/brake/accelerate situationfor
interesting
> and exciting and also quite quick but without a chicane in sight.
>
> Surely a series of medium speed corners where the chicanes are now atMonza
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> 90% of the race. > > It would be nice if circuit owners could maybe take a leaf out of > Silverstones book, where they had just the one chicane (woodcote) but > removed that and instead built a series of differant and challenging turns > which slowed the cars down but have not spoilt the circuit. The new track > in Malaysia is also a good example of how a modern track can beQuoted text (9 lines)
> would reduce the speeds but would also not result in the carnage we saw > yesterday? I'm sure circuit planners can be a little more creative! > > Chris > > > > >Yes, the Woodcote wasn't as bad as the Monza chicanes. My point was more
that Silverstone have done an excellent job of slowing the cars without
resorting to ugly chicanes.
Chris
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> I may be wrong but I think he chicane on woodcote corner at Silverstone
was
> actually quite a good one. I have seen videos of Brambillia flinging his
> March through there in 75? and it looked verry spectacular the way he slid
> the car through there! Also Keke Rosberg lapping with an average speed of
> nearly 161mph!! It shows that chicanes can be good but unfortunatly the
> majority if not all remaining chicanes are poorly designed and an
unsuitable
> solution.
>
> David
>
Why a chicane? Just build tracks like Catalunya. One of my absolute
favorites, nothing but a pleasure to drive. Two long straights, several 2nd,
3rd and 4th gear corners. A TRACK THAT REALLY FLOWS.
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>
> What I basically said was that chicanes are a quick and cheap solution to
> slowing cars down, they also spoil the character of a circuit. Thechicanes
> at Monza are so out of character compared to the rest of the track, or the
> original track I should say. The chicane at Suzuka is also a pimple onthe
> nose of that otherwise fine layout and the three examples at Hockenheim
> reduce that track to a
> accelerate/brake/accelerate/brake/accelerate/brake/accelerate situationfor
> 90% of the race.
>
>
Well you know i nocticed at the new circut of monza. is you can go full out
into the curve grande. now ust have the res of monza liek that! and we can have
1960s racing.
But my think to slowing F1 is not to slow them down. I think The tracks need
pure improvement. Lets say Monza again. Now those chicanes are pointless. You
know lets the cas go 250 through the straights. Have the walls about a good
40-60 Feet away from the track on the straight. And way far away in the turns
lets say Curve
grande. Plus they Should use the energy absorbant wall on the inside wall at
Indy. ONLY bad think about this idea is if the cars hit. Thats a problem.
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You know, I recently read that Bernie hates Silverstone. He thinks it's one
of the worst tracks in F1 right now. That dude is messed up in the head.
The Maggots/Becketts/Chapel section is awesome!
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> > March through there in 75? and it looked verry spectacular the way heslid
> > the car through there! Also Keke Rosberg lapping with an average speedof
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> Yes, the Woodcote wasn't as bad as the Monza chicanes. My point was more > that Silverstone have done an excellent job of slowing the cars without > resorting to ugly chicanes. > > Chris > > -- > South African GPL Championship http://www.geocities.com/gpl_sa_champs/ > > "David Bryant" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8pj6bd$2sh$[email hidden]... > > I may be wrong but I think he chicane on woodcote corner at Silverstone > was > > actually quite a good one. I have seen videos of Brambillia flingingQuoted text (10 lines)
> > nearly 161mph!! It shows that chicanes can be good but unfortunatly the > > majority if not all remaining chicanes are poorly designed and an > unsuitable > > solution. > > > > David > > > > >Maybe he means the facilities (like the lack of car-parks) and the general
decrepid look of the place, not the actual circuit. It could do with a
face-lift or three.
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>
> You know, I recently read that Bernie hates Silverstone. He thinks it'sone
> of the worst tracks in F1 right now. That dude is messed up in the head.
> The Maggots/Becketts/Chapel section is awesome!
I have no real objections to the idea behind chicanes. Theyre designed to slow
the cars down before approaching turns. However in the case of Monza (and just
about any other temporary type chicane) they make the TOO tight. Why not put
in a chicane with less of a radius to the corners and you wouldnt have to go
from 200mph as is the case at monza down to about 40 to make the turn. Thats
almost as insane as letting em run full out into a corner. You KNOW at the
start of the race cars are going to have a problem going from 4 and sometimes 5
wide down to one lane to make a corner. I think current chicanes are just of
poor design. Look at the one placed in the Esses at Watkins Glen in the
70s...It accomplished its goal in slowing cars down AND didnt cause huge
pileups (granted i think it ruined that corner but it was effective). Or as
mentioned earlier the one at Silverstone. 3rd or 4th gear juant through
there...enough to slow the cars down but not enough to cause major problems.
Also the idea of a series of slow bends is a good idea as well. The Luffield
section at Silverstone once again demonstrates how chicanes arent needed if
proper planning is afforded. Also the section of turns in the
Maggots-Beckkets-Chapel section was thought out well. A few high speed jinks
followed by a 2nd gear right hander onto hangar straight. Well I just thought
I would throw my 2 cents into the pot.
Chris
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The whole thing bothers me - I thought the object of motor racing was 'the
fastest car wins'? Thus, high-speed circuits. But no, those are too
dangerous. Let's put in 50mph chicanes directly after a 180+ mph straight.
Like that *isn't* dangerous. Ok, let's design a track where the cars never go
any faster than 80-100 mph because of so many turns. That causes 'parade'
races where the concept of passing(on the track) is unknown. Anytime you have
a high speed straight followed by a low-speed corner, accidents are a danger.
With the 'twisty' tracks, you can't pass unless you have a DRASTIC speed
advantage, like a Ferrari or McLaren passing a Minardi. It's a no-win
situation - the fans don't like it, the drivers don't like it. It sucks.
Make the tracks allow good racing(fix *obvious* safety concerns), make the cars
as safe as humanely possible - and then let them race. Nobody forces someone
to drive a 4-wheeled missle...
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>Seeing as this is very much in the news today, I thought I might aswell >share with you what I was discussing with a friend a few days ago. > >What I basically said was that chicanes are a quick and cheap solution to >slowing cars down, they also spoil the character of a circuit. The chicanes >at Monza are so out of character compared to the rest of the track, or the >original track I should say. The chicane at Suzuka is also a pimple on the >nose of that otherwise fine layout and the three examples at Hockenheim >reduce that track to a >accelerate/brake/accelerate/brake/accelerate/brake/accelerate situation for >90% of the race. > >It would be nice if circuit owners could maybe take a leaf out of >Silverstones book, where they had just the one chicane (woodcote) but >removed that and instead built a series of differant and challenging turns >which slowed the cars down but have not spoilt the circuit. The new track >in Malaysia is also a good example of how a modern track can be interesting >and exciting and also quite quick but without a chicane in sight. > >Surely a series of medium speed corners where the chicanes are now at Monza >would reduce the speeds but would also not result in the carnage we saw >yesterday? I'm sure circuit planners can be a little more creative! > >ChrisOn 12 Sep 2000 21:41:28 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>The whole thing bothers me - I thought the object of motor racing was 'the
>fastest car wins'? Thus, high-speed circuits. But no, those are too
>dangerous. Let's put in 50mph chicanes directly after a 180+ mph straight.
>Like that *isn't* dangerous.
Don't forget "and let's make the cars so dependent on aerodynamics
that they won't have any grip to speak of when cornering or
following each other closely..."
:-/
Richard, very disappointed with the current state of F1.
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