Re: UK: Petrol tax!!

Fair play, Richard..... For those who don't know the situation over here at the moment, the whole country's gone petrol/gas dry....it's like a scene from Mad Max. Tina Turner straddling a mini will be along any minute. Venturing out at night, you get confronted with orange-eyed madmen, armed with maces and petrol siphons. Has the world gone mad? I've seen the future, and it isn't pretty. Still, our hospitals are still giving out expert care and attention, we just can't get there in the first place. -- Colin Harris Bomber Racing: Http://fullspeed.to/Bomber ICQ 25485061 Richard S Beckett <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pl1jt$[email hidden]... > x-no-archive: yes > > I know this counts as spam, but WTF! ;-) > > I have no right to influence your political views, but I do think you should > ensure that your MP is aware of them. When it's as easy as clicking on this > link, and entering a message, you have no excuse for apathy: > > www.stand.org.uk/fax.php3 > > I've used it a couple of times, and now have some nice replies on House of > Commons headed paper, so it does work. > > IMO we should all support the demonstrators. Panic buy petrol, stay at home, > and fax your MP!!! > > R. > > > >

Maybe it's a good time to convert to LPG. Or is LPG supply affected too? Colin Harris wrote:

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> Fair play, Richard..... > For those who don't know the situation over here at the moment, the whole > country's gone petrol/gas dry....it's like a scene from Mad Max. Tina Turner > straddling a mini will be along any minute. Venturing out at night, you get > confronted with orange-eyed madmen, armed with maces and petrol siphons. Has > the world gone mad? I've seen the future, and it isn't pretty. > Still, our hospitals are still giving out expert care and attention, we > just can't get there in the first place. > > -- > > Colin Harris > > Bomber Racing: Http://fullspeed.to/Bomber > ICQ 25485061 > Richard S Beckett <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8pl1jt$[email hidden]... > > x-no-archive: yes > > > > I know this counts as spam, but WTF! ;-) > > > > I have no right to influence your political views, but I do think you > should > > ensure that your MP is aware of them. When it's as easy as clicking on > this > > link, and entering a message, you have no excuse for apathy: > > > > www.stand.org.uk/fax.php3 > > > > I've used it a couple of times, and now have some nice replies on House of > > Commons headed paper, so it does work. > > > > IMO we should all support the demonstrators. Panic buy petrol, stay at > home, > > and fax your MP!!! > > > > R. > > > > > > > >

Rob Swindells wrote: > > Maybe it's a good time to convert to LPG. Or is LPG supply affected too? It's talk about it spreading to Norway as well, good thing I run 2 1/2 weeks on a full tank of Diesel on my Passat TDi......even with the tuning chip :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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> Rob Swindells wrote: > > > > Maybe it's a good time to convert to LPG. Or is LPG supply affected too? > > It's talk about it spreading to Norway as well, good thing I run 2 1/2 > weeks on a full tank of Diesel on my Passat TDi......even with the > tuning chip :-)

And those Europeans really don't know what they complain about if considering the norwegian price of the diesel to fill your tank. Changing to a 10 year old Golf from my 20 year old Volvo really helped my personal economy :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Hmmm....tuning chip....must get one of those for my Ibiza TDi...how much? Ash "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| | | Rob Swindells wrote: | > | > Maybe it's a good time to convert to LPG. Or is LPG supply affected too? | | It's talk about it spreading to Norway as well, good thing I run 2 1/2 | weeks on a full tank of Diesel on my Passat TDi......even with the | tuning chip :-) | | | Beers and cheers | (uncle) Goy | | "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ | "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ | | * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * | "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

>Changing to a 10 year old Golf from my 20 year old Volvo really helped >my personal economy :) Spare a thought for me... 18 years old in the UK with "little or no" money, driving a 13-year-old 1.8 Sierra Estate :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Ashley McConnell wrote: > > Hmmm....tuning chip....must get one of those for my Ibiza TDi...how much? Actually it's an adjustable "black box" from http://www.speedbuster.de As usually I don't trust these kinds of claims so I took it to a rolling road test, and since it's 30 second job to remove the "box", we did a before/after test, I had 95 "engine" HP before (it's a 1995 90 HP TDi), 115 after, torque was up from 203 Nm (I have no idea what this is in lb/ft) to 265 (about the same as the Opel Omega 3000 24V I had before) But it's the power delivery that's so special, I have 110HP at 2100 RPM and it stays above that until 4000 RPM.... It will give about 20-25HP on a 110HP TDi as well, a friend has something similar on his 2000 model 115 HP TDi, 143HP and 340Nm....... Cost, well, I know the guy who imports them here in Norway, but I guess around 500 UK, possibly less, takes about 5 mins to install and they use the same box with a wide range of cars, you just buy a different adapter, and no, I don't get a commission, a free flowing exhaust and air filter might get a few more HP in the upper regions for some better top speed, mine hits the wall at 4000 RPM in 5th It's quite fun, as much as driving a Passat STW can be fun :-), while driving on motorways as the acceleration is quite "brisk" :-) and there's no need to change down, you can easily scare cars with much more HP, and then they notice that TDi badge and all the black smoke and they know they've been had by a DIESEL....... Yeah, I know, at 35 I ought to have outgrown stuff like that a long time ago, but...... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

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> > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Rob Swindells wrote: > > > > > > Maybe it's a good time to convert to LPG. Or is LPG supply affected too? > > > > It's talk about it spreading to Norway as well, good thing I run 2 1/2 > > weeks on a full tank of Diesel on my Passat TDi......even with the > > tuning chip :-) > > And those Europeans really don't know what they complain about if > considering the norwegian price of the diesel to fill your tank. > > Changing to a 10 year old Golf from my 20 year old Volvo really helped > my personal economy :)

LOL, I went from an Opel Commodore 2.5S with 225 000 km on the clock to this TDi.....I feel like I'm actually *making* money whenever I fill it up..... As for gas prices, I rented a car while over in the UK this summer, cost was about 85p per liter.....I was amazed, good thing the little Dinky Toy didn't use much fuel Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

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> "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > Rob Swindells wrote: > > > > > > > > Maybe it's a good time to convert to LPG. Or is LPG supply affected too? > > > > > > It's talk about it spreading to Norway as well, good thing I run 2 1/2 > > > weeks on a full tank of Diesel on my Passat TDi......even with the > > > tuning chip :-) > > > > And those Europeans really don't know what they complain about if > > considering the norwegian price of the diesel to fill your tank. > > > > Changing to a 10 year old Golf from my 20 year old Volvo really helped > > my personal economy :) > > LOL, I went from an Opel Commodore 2.5S with 225 000 km on the clock to > this TDi.....I feel like I'm actually *making* money whenever I fill it > up.....

Indeed, I save so much money on fuel now that the price of fuel plus the monthly loan payment is the same as the fuel alone on the Volvo. Miss the big old tank though :( -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

Goy Larsen wrote: > > Ashley McConnell wrote: > > > > Hmmm....tuning chip....must get one of those for my Ibiza TDi...how much? > > Actually it's an adjustable "black box" from http://www.speedbuster.de Correct link is http://www.speed-buster.de/ , sorry about that Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > Indeed, I save so much money on fuel now that the price of fuel plus > the monthly loan payment is the same as the fuel alone on the > Volvo. Miss the big old tank though :( How anyone can miss a Volvo is beyond me, but there you go :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes:

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> "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > > Indeed, I save so much money on fuel now that the price of fuel plus > > the monthly loan payment is the same as the fuel alone on the > > Volvo. Miss the big old tank though :( > > How anyone can miss a Volvo is beyond me, but there you go :-)

Well, you always remember the ups, never the downs. I had an almost personal relationship with my old car :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

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> > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: > > > "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > > > > Indeed, I save so much money on fuel now that the price of fuel plus > > > the monthly loan payment is the same as the fuel alone on the > > > Volvo. Miss the big old tank though :( > > > > How anyone can miss a Volvo is beyond me, but there you go :-) > > Well, you always remember the ups, never the downs. I had an almost > personal relationship with my old car :)

Hmm, ok, no details pls..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Don't you get burned, doing that? -- Colin Harris Bomber Racing: Http://fullspeed.to/Bomber ICQ 25485061 Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Well, you always remember the ups, never the downs. I had an almost > personal relationship with my old car :) > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove spam when replying

On 13 Sep 2000 11:11:42 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) thus spoke: >Indeed, I save so much money on fuel now that the price of fuel plus >the monthly loan payment is the same as the fuel alone on the >Volvo. Miss the big old tank though :( Sometimes I wish I bought an economy car due to the sucking back of the gas. But, when I'm out on the highway and I need to pass someone I grin and love having a 6 cyl. 3.8L engine. If I was in Europe though I wouldn't even bother owning a car. -- Nos

Goy Larsen wrote: > > "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > How anyone can miss a Volvo is beyond me, but there you go :-) When I am on my GoldWing, every Ovlov does it's best not to miss me. I, on the other hand, have made a career out of trying to miss them. :) Joel The pinnacle of open systems is: when moving from vendor to vendor, the design flaws stay the same. '90 GL1500A "Therapist" <SIGTERM>

"Nos" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > But, when I'm out on the highway and I need to pass someone I > grin and love having a 6 cyl. 3.8L engine. If I was in Europe though I > wouldn't even bother owning a car. Nope !! If you were in Europe you would have a small capacity, fuel efficient multi-valve engine, low-loss transmission and half the weight of vehicle ! Acceleration depends on mass, force ( and brains ). You want to accelerate from 80mph to 120mph - NO PROBLEM. Of course 50-70mph for road driving is a dawdle !! And you'd return 30-50mpg :-) Peter PS: and then for fun I own a 3 litre turbo V6 Alpine A610 sportscar. In Scotland I run out of road before acceleration :-)

"Joel Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > When I am on my GoldWing, That's as lardy as most US cages :-) :-) Get a Bandit 1200, Blackbird, R1, ZX-12R and really show a clean pair of heels when overtaking . Peter PS: Two cylinders are OK for lawn-mowers, for the road you need four !!

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> > "Joel Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > When I am on my GoldWing, > > That's as lardy as most US cages :-) :-) > > Get a Bandit 1200, Blackbird, R1, ZX-12R and really show a clean pair of > heels when overtaking . > > Peter > PS: Two cylinders are OK for lawn-mowers, for the road you need four !!

So, a "Duke" is a lawn mower then......gotta tell Carl Foggarty :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

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> > "Joel Leach" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > When I am on my GoldWing, > > That's as lardy as most US cages :-) :-) > > Get a Bandit 1200, Blackbird, R1, ZX-12R and really show a clean pair of > heels when overtaking . > > Peter > PS: Two cylinders are OK for lawn-mowers, for the road you need four !!

Since "most US cages" are school bus sized SUVs, my 'Wing feels almost svelte. :) As for how many jugs you need for the road, the real answer is SIX. :) -- Joel The pinnacle of open systems is: when moving from vendor to vendor, the design flaws stay the same. '90 GL1500A "Therapist" <SIGTERM>

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:21:14 GMT, "Bad-Boy" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >PS: and then for fun I own a 3 litre turbo V6 Alpine A610 sportscar. In >Scotland I run out of road before acceleration :-) Well, over here the highways are straight for many miles. From your (deleted) comments I can see you've never driven any Detroit muscle. I'll take a Dodge Charger over your 3 wheel bubble car anyday. :-) -- Nos

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > So, a "Duke" is a lawn mower then......gotta tell Carl Foggarty :-) YUP !! Remember that the lardy two cylinders are allowed 1000 cc against the 750cc of a four. It has been the greatest coup in race organisation and marketing that Ducati have sold bikes on the "performance" front based on SBK wins !! Hey they're fast bikes, for sure, but level out the playing field before comparing :-) Why no Duke in GP ?? Where are they at IoM TT ??? Peter

How BORING is THAT....straight for many miles? You would need to be going at the speed of sound to be getting any enjoyment at all. No wonder you guys go postal now and again over their....its sheer boredom ;)

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| | Well, over here the highways are straight for many miles. From your | (deleted) comments I can see you've never driven any Detroit muscle. | I'll take a Dodge Charger over your 3 wheel bubble car anyday. :-) | | | -- | Nos

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:27:36 +0100, "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >How BORING is THAT....straight for many miles? You would need to be going >at the speed of sound to be getting any enjoyment at all. No wonder you >guys go postal now and again over their....its sheer boredom ;) Hey, we've got it all. I said *highways*. There are many windy country roads here too if you want to risk killing yourself pretending your Jame's Bond in your Astin Martin DB-5. (http://www.concentric.net/~Birnbaum/jbond/jcar.htm) I read an article in the paper not long ago that said this area of Canada has a big following of people who drag race on the smaller country roads late at night. You ever driven a '69 Cougar? Oh right, cars like that won't fit on your horse trails. :-) -- Nos

Woh....I better be careful with all those corners :) Actually at least i'll be awake..hehe | | Hey, we've got it all. I said *highways*. There are many windy country | roads here too if you want to risk killing yourself pretending your | Jame's Bond in your Astin Martin DB-5.

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:50:10 +0100, "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Woh....I better be careful with all those corners :) > >Actually at least i'll be awake..hehe Actually, you'll be walking to work/school pretty soon if you guys don't get a handle on this oil fiasco. Why is the UK always the first country to go down during any energy crisis? God help us all when the oil does dry up. Mad Max is real. :-) -- Nos

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>Done 101 at over 80mph ! Crazy driving, weaving etc. that I am ashamed of. >But as I'd been away from home for 5 weeks doing an 8 cities business trip I >was *NOT* going to miss my flight :-) > >> (deleted) comments I can see you've never driven any Detroit muscle. > >Wrong. As well as 'modern' Fords (yuk) and MPVs for business milage, I've >had the pleasure >of having friends over the US with interesting cars I've tried over the >years. > >Scariest was a Z28 back in '89 !! I couldn't believe the amount of wander >steer it did of it's own accord once it got to about 70. And as for brakes - >a joke for a car of the time. > >Also a Boss Mustang with all the bits it was an early seventies model I >tried early nineties. >Had been heavily breathed on, looked geourgeous and sounded SUPERB. >With the exception of the sound - which I *DO* love - the performance and >handling was bettered by >cars we could purchase on forecourt with no additions. > >Then hot-rods - not wuite the same but LOTS of low-end grunt and NOISE :-) >:-) luvvit...... > >> I'll take a Dodge Charger over your 3 wheel bubble car anyday. :-) > >Go try a Subaru Imprezza, Nissan Skyline, Mitsubishi EVO 5, Renault CLIO V6, >BMW M5 et al >Go to the competition departments and purchase a road-going Ford Focus WRC, >Peugeot 206 WRC, et al >Then low-volume specialist cars like Lotus Elise, Elite, Renault Spider. >Add to that UK (and Europe) kit cars - add a motorbike engine and you have >0-60 in sub 4 secs top speed of 140mph with sequential change gearbox (See >Caterham) >It doesn't need lots of power to make a car fast, furious, frenetic FUN :-) > >I have experienced US cars and roads (Top 2 are coast road from SF to Half >Moon Bay and road from Seattle over the mountains to Lake Chelan), if you >think we're limited to 3-wheel bubbles you should expand your horizons ! >Worst - about 500 miles in I80 in a Voyager full of electronics :-( > >Oh - three-wheelers - check out http://www.sunagor.com/scorpion/ 0-60 mph >4.5 seconds.130 mph !! > >If you're ever in Scotland, look us up. We can have a thrash around some of >THE best roads in the world >( Scottish single track following a loch side is the best fun you can have >with a machine :-) >2, 3 or 4 wheels !! > >Peter > > >

Ack! There's a moose in me hoose. :-) I'm just winding you up mate. I'm actually from the UK originally myself. Been to Scotland and have relatives in the Inverness area. What were you doing up in the Half Moon Bay area (you mean in B.C. right?)? It's kind of off the beaten track. The fact is I can't afford a BMW M5 and nor can most people. My Mercury Sable LS is good enough for some police forces here and it's good enough for me too. Ford Taurus (basically same car as Sable) is used in Nascar. Actually it's a very nice luxury sedan, not a Mercedes, but still nice and comfy for my 6'3" frame and has plenty enough power for highway driving. Air conditioning, powered seat/windows (even the aerial),nice stereo (Premier), cruise control (helps a lot on long drives), one of the safest rated cars etc. Roominess is a big deal when you are tall and many of the Euro and Japanese models are just too damn small and expensive for my liking. I have a '94 model so it's not exactly one of those ugly rounded cars like Ford makes now. I would rather have an E-type Jag, but it would only get stolen eventually anyway. :-)My Father used to own a Rover 3.5L special edition years ago. Very nice Brit car too. I don't go speeding around anyway (usually do about 110-120km per hr on the highway) because too many people are killed every minute of every hour due to things like speeding, unnecessarily changing lanes etc. I was in the UK last year and noticed the drivers there are excessively careless. No respect for pedestrians either. I used to live in London back in '85 and trying to cross the road in central London required lots of skill. :-) -- Nos

"Nos" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, over here the highways are straight for many miles. Done 101 at over 80mph ! Crazy driving, weaving etc. that I am ashamed of. But as I'd been away from home for 5 weeks doing an 8 cities business trip I was *NOT* going to miss my flight :-) > (deleted) comments I can see you've never driven any Detroit muscle. Wrong. As well as 'modern' Fords (yuk) and MPVs for business milage, I've had the pleasure of having friends over the US with interesting cars I've tried over the years. Scariest was a Z28 back in '89 !! I couldn't believe the amount of wander steer it did of it's own accord once it got to about 70. And as for brakes - a joke for a car of the time. Also a Boss Mustang with all the bits it was an early seventies model I tried early nineties. Had been heavily breathed on, looked geourgeous and sounded SUPERB. With the exception of the sound - which I *DO* love - the performance and handling was bettered by cars we could purchase on forecourt with no additions. Then hot-rods - not wuite the same but LOTS of low-end grunt and NOISE :-) :-) luvvit...... > I'll take a Dodge Charger over your 3 wheel bubble car anyday. :-) Go try a Subaru Imprezza, Nissan Skyline, Mitsubishi EVO 5, Renault CLIO V6, BMW M5 et al Go to the competition departments and purchase a road-going Ford Focus WRC, Peugeot 206 WRC, et al Then low-volume specialist cars like Lotus Elise, Elite, Renault Spider. Add to that UK (and Europe) kit cars - add a motorbike engine and you have 0-60 in sub 4 secs top speed of 140mph with sequential change gearbox (See Caterham) It doesn't need lots of power to make a car fast, furious, frenetic FUN :-) I have experienced US cars and roads (Top 2 are coast road from SF to Half Moon Bay and road from Seattle over the mountains to Lake Chelan), if you think we're limited to 3-wheel bubbles you should expand your horizons ! Worst - about 500 miles in I80 in a Voyager full of electronics :-( Oh - three-wheelers - check out http://www.sunagor.com/scorpion/ 0-60 mph 4.5 seconds.130 mph !! If you're ever in Scotland, look us up. We can have a thrash around some of THE best roads in the world ( Scottish single track following a loch side is the best fun you can have with a machine :-) 2, 3 or 4 wheels !! Peter

Luckily i'm in N.Ireland ....we are not effected at all yet :) Going to Glasgow on Saturday tho....better fill up!! Ash "Nos" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:50:10 +0100, "Ashley McConnell" | <[email hidden]> thus spoke: | | >Woh....I better be careful with all those corners :) | > | >Actually at least i'll be awake..hehe | | Actually, you'll be walking to work/school pretty soon if you guys | don't get a handle on this oil fiasco. Why is the UK always the first | country to go down during any energy crisis? God help us all when the | oil does dry up. Mad Max is real. :-) | | -- | Nos

There is no energy crisis over here. Just a government who is taxing the hell out of us. The shortages are being caused by blockades at the tanker stations. At long last, the British people are voting with their feet. MS "Nos" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:50:10 +0100, "Ashley McConnell" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >Woh....I better be careful with all those corners :) > > > >Actually at least i'll be awake..hehe > > Actually, you'll be walking to work/school pretty soon if you guys > don't get a handle on this oil fiasco. Why is the UK always the first > country to go down during any energy crisis? God help us all when the > oil does dry up. Mad Max is real. :-) > > -- > Nos

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:41:50 +0100, "Mark.seery" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >There is no energy crisis over here. Just a government who is taxing the >hell out of us. The shortages are being caused by blockades at the tanker >stations. At long last, the British people are voting with their feet. > >MS Oil prices are rising everyhere because Opec is not producing enough. But yes, you guys pay way too much tax on gas. But for such a small nation you have way too many cars on the road as it is. Over here a car is almost a necessity due to the more spread out nature of the cities and distances to other cities and towns. There are many isolated communities here so a car/truck for those people is really a necessity if they want to work/eat etc. I never even considered owning a car when I lived in the UK and not too many people did own cars back then. Now when I go back almost eveyone has a car. -- Nos

In article <sK3w5.522$[email hidden]>, "Mark.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: >There is no energy crisis over here. Just a government who is taxing the >hell out of us. The shortages are being caused by blockades at the tanker >stations. At long last, the British people are voting with their feet. > >MS Er... all i saw was a bunch of tory sympathising small business men and handout farmers. I could have sworn Labour were elected on a manifesto which included removing the tax escaltor, but remaining a high tax fuel price. Do i need to remind you of the overwhelming result of the last election? Z. Please remove my_pants when replying.

"Nos" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ack! There's a moose in me hoose. :-) > I'm just winding you up mate. I'm actually from the UK originally > myself. Been to Scotland and have relatives in the Inverness area. Hooked, reeled-in and landed :-( > What were you doing up in the Half Moon Bay area (you mean in B.C. > right?)? It's kind of off the beaten track. Nope south of SF - http://maps.expedia.co.uk/pub/agent.dll?qscr=mmvw&msds=8A1FCA6C$18X$36wxa$36 w94!601!O0!4$FF000!8$FF$280San.Francisco$2C.California$2C.United.States00$23 0Second.Level.Component.Capital.Cityw$D2$EB$E4$C6$E8B$40$93$CC$87$F3$B2$99$5 E$C0$960001000$3E000$3Fr!50$14000!4$FF00$90$24I$92$24$C9$2A$C0!50$18e$C010 > My Mercury Sable LS is good enough > for some police forces here and it's good enough for me too. Don't the police purchase these as "special" manufacture woth up-rated suspension and performance ? The traffic police in the UK do. > Taurus (basically same car as Sable) is used in Nascar. Come on Nos, the only semblance a Nascar has to the production vehicel is that wooden template shape that they have to conform to in the Nascar rules. > I don't go speeding around anyway (usually do about > 110-120km per hr on the highway) because too many people are killed > every minute of every hour due to things like speeding, unnecessarily > changing lanes etc. Always worth a debate on whether speeding kills or other factors - road, conditions, driver skill, weather. I was terrified in Germany by a colleague who believed that doing 200kmh in heavy rain and busy traffic was "safe" because he had ABS. Attempts to explain the laws of physics failed :-) > I was in the UK last year and noticed the drivers > there are excessively careless. Expectation has now become on the busier roads that you have to be aggresive t get anywhere. Dangerous for sure. > No respect for pedestrians either. Roads are for cars. Crossing lights are for pedestrians. Most pedestrians also cross in busy traffic keeping eye on gaps and speed. It looks mighty dangerous to those not used to it, but is easy to get used to and practise :-) I was nearly arrested in Stockholm for crossing a road with no cars visible for 1/4 mile - I was supposed to wait for the light to go green before crossing. Culture's are different. Even in Scotland most folks from Edinburgh hate driving and walking in Glasgow where it is much faster and you make your intentions clear and then get on with it !! > used to live in London back in '85 and trying to cross the road in > central London required lots of skill. :-) Or for those without the skill you could always walk to a set of traffic lights or a crossing - usually within a few hundred yards of each other. Peter PS: To make this remotely on-topic. One of the big dangers of simulators is that people think cars handle the way they do in the sims and when it all goes wrong it's not a problem. In real life cars are not as controllable in drifts as most sims have users believe and in the aftermath a quick "return to pits" option doesn't exist !!

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> Oil prices are rising everyhere because Opec is not producing enough. > But yes, you guys pay way too much tax on gas. But for such a small > nation you have way too many cars on the road as it is. Over here a > car is almost a necessity due to the more spread out nature of the > cities and distances to other cities and towns. There are many > isolated communities here so a car/truck for those people is really a > necessity if they want to work/eat etc.

Most of Scotland falls into this category. On top of that some communities only link is via a ferry and still for others electricity comes from a generator. So fuel tax is a BIG issue for the Scottish nation and the London government better start listening. The world hasn't had a decent revolution for a long time. Maybe Scotland will claim back it's land and keep the oil for ourselves :-) > I never even considered owning > a car when I lived in the UK and not too many people did own cars back > then. Now when I go back almost eveyone has a car. You obviously were in the South-East of England. A nations policy is being determined and run by people who live and see that as the British way of life. Roll on independance. Peter

"Zonky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8Z3w5.8552$pi.62816@NewsReader... > Er... all i saw was a bunch of tory sympathising small business men and > handout farmers. I could have sworn Labour were elected on a manifestowhich > included removing the tax escaltor, but remaining a high tax fuel price. Most of the guys I spoke to at Grangemouth were working men. In Scotland our petrol is a necessity, for the working man, not just fat-cats and city dwellers. More galling that as the only fuel producing nation in Europe, Scotland has the highest fuel costs. Hearing London folks on news complaining about the high price makes me puke. Come up hear and it's been those high prices for a LONG time. > Do i need to remind you of the overwhelming result of the last election? and just watch the next won ... Thatcher ===== Poll Tax Tony Blair ==== Fuel Tax he is going down ! Peter PS: There's a good chance this could scupper Labout in Scotland and relight the fires under the SNP. Hmmm where would Europe stand if Scotland claimed the rights to the North Sea as an independant, sovereign nation within the EU !! PPS: :-) :-) :-) (I hope)

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > So, a "Duke" is a lawn mower then......gotta tell Carl Foggarty :-) > > YUP !! > > Remember that the lardy two cylinders are allowed 1000 cc against the 750cc > of a four. > It has been the greatest coup in race organisation and marketing that Ducati > have sold > bikes on the "performance" front based on SBK wins !! > > Hey they're fast bikes, for sure, but level out the playing field before > comparing :-) > > Why no Duke in GP ?? Where are they at IoM TT ???

Mmmm, ok, never mind....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

Can you call over to Wales and bring a few tankers with you ? ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Ashley McConnell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pqhed$c46$[email hidden]... > Luckily i'm in N.Ireland ....we are not effected at all yet :) > > Going to Glasgow on Saturday tho....better fill up!! > > Ash

> > Oil prices are rising everyhere because Opec is not producing enough. > But yes, you guys pay way too much tax on gas. Sure do. 87% plus VAT at 17.5% > But for such a small > nation you have way too many cars on the road as it is. Over here a > car is almost a necessity due to the more spread out nature of the > cities and distances to other cities and towns. Over here, car ownership is a necessity owing to the fact that we have a crumbling infrastructure in terms of public transport. Since privatisation of the bus and train services, we have had less profitable routes killed off, less investment in new rolling stock and vehicles, poor safety records and ripoff prices. The fat cats get rich and we suffer. Try getting on a train to go to work from commuterland and if the thing ain't late, you are lucky to sit on a chewing gum stuck, beer stained seat, in a carriage that is maybe 40 years old. Travelling from some stations almost guarantees a standing posture in peak hours. Of course, I'd agree that there are many trips that are not necessary, like mothers who take their kids 1/4 mile to school every day. There are many > isolated communities here so a car/truck for those people is really a > necessity if they want to work/eat etc. Without affordable and reliable public transport, I'd say that anyone having to travel more than 10 miles to work each day over here would be at a distinct disadvantage. > I never even considered owning > a car when I lived in the UK and not too many people did own cars back > then. Now when I go back almost eveyone has a car. How long have you been away? Things get worse here every year. The simple problem over here is that we are a grossly overpopulated nation. MS > -- > Nos

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:51:30 GMT, "Bad-Boy" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Hooked, reeled-in and landed :-( Hehe...one of my...er...finer qualities. >Nope south of SF - >http://maps.expedia.co.uk/pub/agent.dll?qscr=mmvw&msds=8A1FCA6C$18X$36wxa$36 >w94!601!O0!4$FF000!8$FF$280San.Francisco$2C.California$2C.United.States00$23 >0Second.Level.Component.Capital.Cityw$D2$EB$E4$C6$E8B$40$93$CC$87$F3$B2$99$5 >E$C0$960001000$3E000$3Fr!50$14000!4$FF00$90$24I$92$24$C9$2A$C0!50$18e$C010 That's the damn longest url I've ever seen! There's a Half Moon Bay up in B.C. Cananda too. Beautiful place. >Don't the police purchase these as "special" manufacture woth up-rated >suspension and performance ? >The traffic police in the UK do. Not sure. But, my Sable could give any cop car a run for it's money. >Come on Nos, the only semblance a Nascar has to the production vehicel is >that >wooden template shape that they have to conform to in the Nascar rules. Hehe...well it was worth a try. :-) >Always worth a debate on whether speeding kills or other factors - road, >conditions, >driver skill, weather. I was terrified in Germany by a colleague who >believed that >doing 200kmh in heavy rain and busy traffic was "safe" because he had ABS. >Attempts to explain the laws of physics failed :-) Yep, some people should not be allowed to drive a car. >Roads are for cars. Crossing lights are for pedestrians. >Most pedestrians also cross in busy traffic keeping eye on gaps and speed. >It looks mighty dangerous to those not used to it, but is easy to get used >to and >practise :-) I am talking about at zebra crossings. They will not stop for a pedestrian. You have to just step out and force them to stop. Over here the pedestrain always has the legal right of way. Always. >I was nearly arrested in Stockholm for crossing a road with no cars >visible for 1/4 mile - I was supposed to wait for the light to go green >before crossing. Same law here. >Culture's are different. Even in Scotland most folks from Edinburgh hate >driving and >walking in Glasgow where it is much faster and you make your intentions >clear and >then get on with it !! Yep, that's somehting I really like about places like that in the UK and Europe. I loved Amsterdam because most people ride bicycles or walk and cars are just a menace in that city. Over here you are not considered normal if you don't own a car. Some stupid status thing that some peope have. >Or for those without the skill you could always walk to a set of >traffic lights or a crossing - usually within a few hundred yards of each >other. Read my comments about zebra crossings above. In London they very rarely stop at a crossing. I even had a bus driver who was trying to stop me from crossing the road, until I picked up a big rock and threatened to throw it through his window.

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>PS: To make this remotely on-topic. One of the big dangers of simulators is >that > people think cars handle the way they do in the sims and when it all >goes > wrong it's not a problem. In real life cars are not as controllable in >drifts as > most sims have users believe and in the aftermath a quick "return to >pits" > option doesn't exist !!

Agreed. You lose control in real life at high speed just once and it's probably game over forever. -- Nos

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:44:14 +0100, "Mark.seery" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >How long have you been away? Things get worse here every year. I left the UK in '66, but went back in '73 for 2 1/2 years, back again in '85 for 5 mmonths. Last visit was Jan. '99. >The simple problem over here is that we are a grossly overpopulated nation. Maybe so. But, I do love it there all the same. It's just too expensive now though. Time to revolt. To arms..to arms! :-) -- Nos

[email hidden] (Zonky) wrote: > Do i need to remind you of the overwhelming > result of the last election? Rule 1: people are selfish and narrow minded unless bribed to be otherwise. Rule 2: We are only ever three weeks away from the Dark Ages. Rule 3: Apply for the Mars Colony at... http://www.getmeofthisplanetbeforeit'stotallyfucked.com Andrew McP

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> On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:44:14 +0100, "Mark.seery" > <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >How long have you been away? Things get worse here every year. > > I left the UK in '66, but went back in '73 for 2 1/2 years, back again > in '85 for 5 mmonths. Last visit was Jan. '99. > > >The simple problem over here is that we are a grossly overpopulated

nation. > > Maybe so. But, I do love it there all the same. It's just too > expensive now though. Time to revolt. To arms..to arms! :-) Touche <G> MS > -- > Nos

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>>Roads are for cars. Crossing lights are for pedestrians. >>Most pedestrians also cross in busy traffic keeping eye on gaps and speed. >>It looks mighty dangerous to those not used to it, but is easy to get used >>to and >>practise :-) > >I am talking about at zebra crossings. They will not stop for a >pedestrian. You have to just step out and force them to stop. Over >here the pedestrain always has the legal right of way. Always. >

Amazing. You'd walk right out in front of a moving car just to prove a point? Sure, you may be right - but you also may be DEAD...

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>>I was nearly arrested in Stockholm for crossing a road with no cars >>visible for 1/4 mile - I was supposed to wait for the light to go green >>before crossing. > >Same law here. > >>Culture's are different. Even in Scotland most folks from Edinburgh hate >>driving and >>walking in Glasgow where it is much faster and you make your intentions >>clear and >>then get on with it !! > >Yep, that's somehting I really like about places like that in the UK >and Europe. I loved Amsterdam because most people ride bicycles or >walk and cars are just a menace in that city. Over here you are not >considered normal if you don't own a car. Some stupid status thing >that some peope have.

Many people DO need cars because of the distances involved. If I lived a lot closer to my job, I'd probably ride my mountain bike to work during the summer. It would be good exercise, anyway...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +50.77 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.