Re: Finally...almost GPL ready ;-)

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:00:43 GMT, [email hidden] (Michael) wrote: A PIII 733 with a V1?!?!?!?!? For Games?!?!?!? Please explain. If you have no other reason than getting better fps with GPL please do yourself a service and go back to the store and exchange the PIII for a voodoo 3. Then all will be well. Thrust me. >(I know, its not a racing game ;-) and the graphics on my voodoo 1 >were screwed up...)

Then you really should use your TNT2. That's what I'm using. Go to www.papy.com and get the GPL Direct3D Rasterizer. It's not perfect but will beat your voodoo 1 any day (>30 fps). You wont get much more out of your v1 even if you get your CPU to go 733Mhz. On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:13:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Michael) wrote:

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>Allright allright....I also have a Riva TNT2...Voodoo is just my >"legacy 3dfx card" that isn't worth selling and actually helps me play >old games... > >I knew I'd get a reaction quickly ;-) > >Michael > > > >On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:01:51 -0400, Gary <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:00:43 GMT, [email hidden] (Michael) >>wrote: >> >>A PIII 733 with a V1?!?!?!?!? >>For Games?!?!?!? >>Please explain. >>If you have no other reason than getting better fps with GPL please do >>yourself a service and go back to the store and exchange the PIII for >>a voodoo 3. Then all will be well. Thrust me. >>>(I know, its not a racing game ;-) and the graphics on my voodoo 1 >>>were screwed up...) >>

Hi all! I am getting ready to start playing GPL...Just got my Pentium III chip (I now get 12FPS on the starting grid...not too bad)...but the thing is I am stuck underclocking it (really..not kidding). It's a PIII-733 PC-133, but I have to put it at PC-100 550MHZ.... Still wondering why. If I do, everyhing works fine. If I don't "underclock" it, Windows keeps on rebooting over and over again trying to correct a registry error (really weird) If anyone has any ideas, please let me know ;-) I am not sure to which usegroup to turn to here.... My ACT LAB wheel should be arriving shortly....just in time for the cold seasons up here in Montreal ;-) Then I'll be able to play GPL, and I'll be a happy man. I am having so much fun with a flight stick ;-) Michael

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:08:36 GMT, [email hidden] (Micha�l) thus spoke:

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>Hi all! > >I am getting ready to start playing GPL...Just got my Pentium III chip >(I now get 12FPS on the starting grid...not too bad)...but the thing >is I am stuck underclocking it (really..not kidding). It's a PIII-733 >PC-133, but I have to put it at PC-100 550MHZ.... > >Still wondering why. If I do, everyhing works fine. If I don't >"underclock" it, Windows keeps on rebooting over and over again trying >to correct a registry error (really weird) > >If anyone has any ideas, please let me know ;-) I am not sure to which >usegroup to turn to here....

What is the chipset on the motherboard? If it is BX and you set the cpu to run at 133mhz front side bus then it also overclocks the PCI and AGP bus's which is causing the registry errors because the HD doesn't like the overclocked PCI bus. You can try to correct it by slowing down the PIO mode of the hard drive to mode3 in the bios. You will lose UDMA mode by doing that though. If you have a motherboard that is designed to run at a 133mhz FSB without overclocking the PCI bus then you won't have this problem. VIA chipset or i815 chipset will allow you to to this. What video card do you have? Because even at 550mhz you should get more than 12fps even at the start. -- Nos

> allow you to to this. What video card do you have? Because even at > 550mhz you should get more than 12fps even at the start. If you really want GPL exclusevly, buy a 3dfx card, like voodoo 3000, or aty least a used add on voodoo 2 card. It will make the game much faster! Domi

-- Citylab Durban www.citylab.com Domagoj Malovic <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8pnark$3000$[email hidden]... > > allow you to to this. What video card do you have? Because even at > > 550mhz you should get more than 12fps even at the start. > > > If you really want GPL exclusevly, buy a 3dfx card, like voodoo 3000, > or aty least a used add on voodoo 2 card. It will make the game much > faster! > > Domi No need anymore. The direct 3d patch seems to work just fine with most D3D cards out there. Heck it even works well with a Savage 4! (for those of you fortunate enough not to own a Savage 4, it's pants!) Chris > >

Thanks alot for your help... You are right, I was surprised to have only 12fps at the start, but given my CPU problems I am not making a big case of this until it is fixed. I just checked my motherboard, it's a VIA chipset.... I am starting to think it's a Windows problem....will Windows find out by itself I have just upgraded from PII-266 to PIII-733, or do I have to specify it somewhere? (I originally thought windows did not give a damn about which CPU I had in....) BTW, My bootup screen gives me PIII-550 (or PIII-733 depending on how I set my bios settings), but Windows still gies me "Pentium II processor" Please...I really don'T want to reinstall windows ;-) Mike On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:47:03 GMT, [email hidden] (Nos) wrote:

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>On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:08:36 GMT, [email hidden] (Micha�l) thus >spoke: > >>Hi all! >> >>I am getting ready to start playing GPL...Just got my Pentium III chip >>(I now get 12FPS on the starting grid...not too bad)...but the thing >>is I am stuck underclocking it (really..not kidding). It's a PIII-733 >>PC-133, but I have to put it at PC-100 550MHZ.... >> >>Still wondering why. If I do, everyhing works fine. If I don't >>"underclock" it, Windows keeps on rebooting over and over again trying >>to correct a registry error (really weird) >> >>If anyone has any ideas, please let me know ;-) I am not sure to which >>usegroup to turn to here.... > >What is the chipset on the motherboard? If it is BX and you set the >cpu to run at 133mhz front side bus then it also overclocks the PCI >and AGP bus's which is causing the registry errors because the HD >doesn't like the overclocked PCI bus. You can try to correct it by >slowing down the PIO mode of the hard drive to mode3 in the bios. You >will lose UDMA mode by doing that though. If you have a motherboard >that is designed to run at a 133mhz FSB without overclocking the PCI >bus then you won't have this problem. VIA chipset or i815 chipset will >allow you to to this. What video card do you have? Because even at >550mhz you should get more than 12fps even at the start. >-- >Nos

If you have changed motherboards and more particularly, Chipsets .. ie .. BX to VIA or the like, you should re-install Windows from scratch ... unfortunately. In almost ever instance .. we build PCs for a living, the VIA chipset is just too different to the Intel chipsets and Windows will become unstable. Also, the VIA motherboards generally have a CD ROM with them. This CD should be installed for the VIA drivers. If not ... expect problems. Rob Micha�l <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks alot for your help... > > You are right, I was surprised to have only 12fps at the start, but > given my CPU problems I am not making a big case of this until it is > fixed. > > I just checked my motherboard, it's a VIA chipset.... > > I am starting to think it's a Windows problem....will Windows find > out by itself I have just upgraded from PII-266 to PIII-733, or do I > have to specify it somewhere? (I originally thought windows did not > give a damn about which CPU I had in....) > > BTW, My bootup screen gives me PIII-550 (or PIII-733 depending on how > I set my bios settings), but Windows still gies me "Pentium II > processor" > > Please...I really don'T want to reinstall windows ;-) > > Mike > > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:47:03 GMT, [email hidden] (Nos) wrote: > > >On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:08:36 GMT, [email hidden] (Micha�l) thus > >spoke: > > > >>Hi all! > >> > >>I am getting ready to start playing GPL...Just got my Pentium III chip > >>(I now get 12FPS on the starting grid...not too bad)...but the thing > >>is I am stuck underclocking it (really..not kidding). It's a PIII-733 > >>PC-133, but I have to put it at PC-100 550MHZ.... > >> > >>Still wondering why. If I do, everyhing works fine. If I don't > >>"underclock" it, Windows keeps on rebooting over and over again trying > >>to correct a registry error (really weird) > >> > >>If anyone has any ideas, please let me know ;-) I am not sure to which > >>usegroup to turn to here.... > > > >What is the chipset on the motherboard? If it is BX and you set the > >cpu to run at 133mhz front side bus then it also overclocks the PCI > >and AGP bus's which is causing the registry errors because the HD > >doesn't like the overclocked PCI bus. You can try to correct it by > >slowing down the PIO mode of the hard drive to mode3 in the bios. You > >will lose UDMA mode by doing that though. If you have a motherboard > >that is designed to run at a 133mhz FSB without overclocking the PCI > >bus then you won't have this problem. VIA chipset or i815 chipset will > >allow you to to this. What video card do you have? Because even at > >550mhz you should get more than 12fps even at the start. > >-- > >Nos >

"Micha�l" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks alot for your help... > > You are right, I was surprised to have only 12fps at the start, but > given my CPU problems I am not making a big case of this until it is > fixed. > > I just checked my motherboard, it's a VIA chipset.... > > I am starting to think it's a Windows problem....will Windows find > out by itself I have just upgraded from PII-266 to PIII-733, or do I > have to specify it somewhere? (I originally thought windows did not > give a damn about which CPU I had in....) > > BTW, My bootup screen gives me PIII-550 (or PIII-733 depending on how > I set my bios settings), but Windows still gies me "Pentium II > processor" > > Please...I really don'T want to reinstall windows ;-) > > Mike

I suppose you have a new motherboard as well. In that case the chipset has changed too. You need to install drivers for the chipset, they should be on the accompanying CD or get them from www.via.com.tw. Furthermore the devices of your old motherboard may still be active in Windows, you can check this in device manager. If they are still there, boot up in safe mode, delete everything under System devices and Hard disk controllers (no need to restart after every single one) and let Windows discover everything again. This is not a simple operation, if you feel uncertain get a qualified person to assist you. Also make sure your Windows version is capable of handling this motherboard. Bart Westra

No, thats the point. I haven't changed anything except the chip. I planned this upgrade enough so that I went out, bought a PIII compatible motherboard, installed all PCI boards on it and installed windows. But I still had my old PII-266CPU. Now, since my windows install, the ONLY thing that has changed is the CPU. I did not add anything else, and I am still getting problems.... Sniff....but on the other hand, I JUST got 2 minutes ago my ACT LAB gear delivered to my office. I can'T wait to try it. (I am suddently finding it hard to concentrate on SNMP stuff ;-) If I could only get my CPU running at 733.... Michael On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:37:42 GMT, "Rob Gerwald" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>If you have changed motherboards and more particularly, Chipsets .. ie .. BX >to VIA or the like, you should re-install Windows from scratch ... >unfortunately. In almost ever instance .. we build PCs for a living, the VIA >chipset is just too different to the Intel chipsets and Windows will become >unstable. Also, the VIA motherboards generally have a CD ROM with them. This >CD should be installed for the VIA drivers. If not ... expect problems. > >Rob > >Micha�l <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Thanks alot for your help... >> >> You are right, I was surprised to have only 12fps at the start, but >> given my CPU problems I am not making a big case of this until it is >> fixed. >> >> I just checked my motherboard, it's a VIA chipset.... >> >> I am starting to think it's a Windows problem....will Windows find >> out by itself I have just upgraded from PII-266 to PIII-733, or do I >> have to specify it somewhere? (I originally thought windows did not >> give a damn about which CPU I had in....) >> >> BTW, My bootup screen gives me PIII-550 (or PIII-733 depending on how >> I set my bios settings), but Windows still gies me "Pentium II >> processor" >> >> Please...I really don'T want to reinstall windows ;-) >> >> Mike >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:47:03 GMT, [email hidden] (Nos) wrote: >> >> >On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:08:36 GMT, [email hidden] (Micha�l) thus >> >spoke: >> > >> >>Hi all! >> >> >> >>I am getting ready to start playing GPL...Just got my Pentium III chip >> >>(I now get 12FPS on the starting grid...not too bad)...but the thing >> >>is I am stuck underclocking it (really..not kidding). It's a PIII-733 >> >>PC-133, but I have to put it at PC-100 550MHZ.... >> >> >> >>Still wondering why. If I do, everyhing works fine. If I don't >> >>"underclock" it, Windows keeps on rebooting over and over again trying >> >>to correct a registry error (really weird) >> >> >> >>If anyone has any ideas, please let me know ;-) I am not sure to which >> >>usegroup to turn to here.... >> > >> >What is the chipset on the motherboard? If it is BX and you set the >> >cpu to run at 133mhz front side bus then it also overclocks the PCI >> >and AGP bus's which is causing the registry errors because the HD >> >doesn't like the overclocked PCI bus. You can try to correct it by >> >slowing down the PIO mode of the hard drive to mode3 in the bios. You >> >will lose UDMA mode by doing that though. If you have a motherboard >> >that is designed to run at a 133mhz FSB without overclocking the PCI >> >bus then you won't have this problem. VIA chipset or i815 chipset will >> >allow you to to this. What video card do you have? Because even at >> >550mhz you should get more than 12fps even at the start. >> >-- >> >Nos >> > >

Thanks for your help.... No I did not have a new motherboard...see my previous post (written before I saw your email to another gentleman)....Just a CPU was upgraded... I understand upgrading windows for a new motherboard, but for a new CPU it seems rather unnecessary.... Michael On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:33:20 +0200, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Micha�l" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Thanks alot for your help... >> >> You are right, I was surprised to have only 12fps at the start, but >> given my CPU problems I am not making a big case of this until it is >> fixed. >> >> I just checked my motherboard, it's a VIA chipset.... >> >> I am starting to think it's a Windows problem....will Windows find >> out by itself I have just upgraded from PII-266 to PIII-733, or do I >> have to specify it somewhere? (I originally thought windows did not >> give a damn about which CPU I had in....) >> >> BTW, My bootup screen gives me PIII-550 (or PIII-733 depending on how >> I set my bios settings), but Windows still gies me "Pentium II >> processor" >> >> Please...I really don'T want to reinstall windows ;-) >> >> Mike > >I suppose you have a new motherboard as well. In that case the chipset has >changed too. You need to install drivers for the chipset, they should be on >the accompanying CD or get them from www.via.com.tw. >Furthermore the devices of your old motherboard may still be active in >Windows, you can check this in device manager. If they are still there, boot >up in safe mode, delete everything under System devices and Hard disk >controllers (no need to restart after every single one) and let Windows >discover everything again. This is not a simple operation, if you feel >uncertain get a qualified person to assist you. Also make sure your Windows >version is capable of handling this motherboard. > >Bart Westra > >

My first thought is that perhaps your RAM is not capable of running at 133mhz. If it's PC-100 RAM, that could be the problem. Since you didn't change motherboards, that's the first thing that comes to mind. Although you're "underclocking", I would recommend that you post your question to the following newsgroup: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking You'll get lots of ideas there. In fact, with any luck, they might figure out how you can run it at a speed faster than 733! Good Luck. "Micha�l" wrote:

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> Hi all! > > I am getting ready to start playing GPL...Just got my Pentium III chip > (I now get 12FPS on the starting grid...not too bad)...but the thing > is I am stuck underclocking it (really..not kidding). It's a PIII-733 > PC-133, but I have to put it at PC-100 550MHZ.... > > Still wondering why. If I do, everyhing works fine. If I don't > "underclock" it, Windows keeps on rebooting over and over again trying > to correct a registry error (really weird) > > If anyone has any ideas, please let me know ;-) I am not sure to which > usegroup to turn to here.... > > My ACT LAB wheel should be arriving shortly....just in time for the > cold seasons up here in Montreal ;-) Then I'll be able to play GPL, > and I'll be a happy man. I am having so much fun with a flight stick > ;-) > > Michael

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:30:49 GMT, [email hidden] (Micha�l) thus spoke:

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>Thanks alot for your help... > >You are right, I was surprised to have only 12fps at the start, but >given my CPU problems I am not making a big case of this until it is >fixed. > >I just checked my motherboard, it's a VIA chipset.... > >I am starting to think it's a Windows problem....will Windows find >out by itself I have just upgraded from PII-266 to PIII-733, or do I >have to specify it somewhere? (I originally thought windows did not >give a damn about which CPU I had in....) > >BTW, My bootup screen gives me PIII-550 (or PIII-733 depending on how >I set my bios settings), but Windows still gies me "Pentium II >processor" > >Please...I really don'T want to reinstall windows ;-) > >Mike

If it's the Via chipset then you should be able to run it at 133fsb with no problems. Maybe you need to adjust a jumper(s) on the motherboard to make it run at 133fsb, 33pci bus and a 66agp bus. Windows98 came out before the P3 existed and that's why it says P2. -- Nos

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:43:08 GMT, [email hidden] (Michael) thus spoke: >I understand upgrading windows for a new motherboard, but for a new >CPU it seems rather unnecessary.... It is unnecessary. You have some bios setting wrong somewhere is my guess. -- Nos

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:47:47 -0400, BRH <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >My first thought is that perhaps your RAM is not capable of running at >133mhz. If it's PC-100 RAM, that could be the problem. Since you didn't >change motherboards, that's the first thing that comes to mind. If the ram can't handle the higher speed then I would think he would get the old blue screen of death and not registry errors. Registry errors usually means the hard drive is the problem. Isn't there a way on the VIA chipset to run the cpu at 133fsb and set a jumper to make the ram run at 100mhz? I know some VIA chipset mb's have this, but maybe not all VIA chipset boards. -- Nos

Sounds like he popped in a HD that had Windows configured under a different motherboard and processor. "Micha�l" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks alot for your help... > > You are right, I was surprised to have only 12fps at the start, but > given my CPU problems I am not making a big case of this until it is > fixed. > > I just checked my motherboard, it's a VIA chipset.... > > I am starting to think it's a Windows problem....will Windows find > out by itself I have just upgraded from PII-266 to PIII-733, or do I > have to specify it somewhere? (I originally thought windows did not > give a damn about which CPU I had in....) > > BTW, My bootup screen gives me PIII-550 (or PIII-733 depending on how > I set my bios settings), but Windows still gies me "Pentium II > processor" > > Please...I really don'T want to reinstall windows ;-) > > Mike > > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:47:03 GMT, [email hidden] (Nos) wrote: > > >On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:08:36 GMT, [email hidden] (Micha�l) thus > >spoke: > > > >>Hi all! > >> > >>I am getting ready to start playing GPL...Just got my Pentium III chip > >>(I now get 12FPS on the starting grid...not too bad)...but the thing > >>is I am stuck underclocking it (really..not kidding). It's a PIII-733 > >>PC-133, but I have to put it at PC-100 550MHZ.... > >> > >>Still wondering why. If I do, everyhing works fine. If I don't > >>"underclock" it, Windows keeps on rebooting over and over again trying > >>to correct a registry error (really weird) > >> > >>If anyone has any ideas, please let me know ;-) I am not sure to which > >>usegroup to turn to here.... > > > >What is the chipset on the motherboard? If it is BX and you set the > >cpu to run at 133mhz front side bus then it also overclocks the PCI > >and AGP bus's which is causing the registry errors because the HD > >doesn't like the overclocked PCI bus. You can try to correct it by > >slowing down the PIO mode of the hard drive to mode3 in the bios. You > >will lose UDMA mode by doing that though. If you have a motherboard > >that is designed to run at a 133mhz FSB without overclocking the PCI > >bus then you won't have this problem. VIA chipset or i815 chipset will > >allow you to to this. What video card do you have? Because even at > >550mhz you should get more than 12fps even at the start. > >-- > >Nos > >

Hello, Wow, I am getting alot of help in this newsgroup....thanks alot! I will go to the overclocking newsgroup, it seems like a great idea. My first guess would also be the BIOS settings, but looking thru the manual did not give me a clue. BTW, just for fun I tried ctrl-alt-deleting and ending the "registry checker" task. It worked! I was able to run my computer, but it sometimes froze for a couple of seconds. I also tried playing Unreal (I know, its not a racing game ;-) and the graphics on my voodoo 1 were screwed up...) Anyways, thanks for your help, I'll be playing with this problem most of the evening, I can feel it... Michael On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:34:11 GMT, [email hidden] (Nos) wrote:

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>On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:47:47 -0400, BRH <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > >>My first thought is that perhaps your RAM is not capable of running at >>133mhz. If it's PC-100 RAM, that could be the problem. Since you didn't >>change motherboards, that's the first thing that comes to mind. > > >If the ram can't handle the higher speed then I would think he would >get the old blue screen of death and not registry errors. Registry >errors usually means the hard drive is the problem. Isn't there a way >on the VIA chipset to run the cpu at 133fsb and set a jumper to make >the ram run at 100mhz? I know some VIA chipset mb's have this, but >maybe not all VIA chipset boards. >-- >Nos

"Micha�l" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi all! > > I am getting ready to start playing GPL...Just got my Pentium III chip > (I now get 12FPS on the starting grid...not too bad) What's your video card? That seems low for that CPU. ...but the thing > is I am stuck underclocking it (really..not kidding). It's a PIII-733 > PC-133, but I have to put it at PC-100 550MHZ.... > > Still wondering why. If I do, everyhing works fine. If I don't > "underclock" it, Windows keeps on rebooting over and over again trying > to correct a registry error (really weird) What motherboard are you using? Your problem sounds like: a) You're using PC100 RAM that can't handle 133 MHz. Some motherboards require a memory multiplier to be set in BIOS (usually 3/4) to bring the RAM down to 100 MHz. You could have a 1 multiplier set or a mobo that can't handle different FSB and RAM speeds. b) You're using PC133 RAM and it's crap. c) You've got everything set correctly and your RAM is bad anyway. SB.

-- "Nos" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > If the ram can't handle the higher speed then I would think he would > get the old blue screen of death and not registry errors. Registry > errors usually means the hard drive is the problem. Not always. Commonly a system will boot fine with overclocked CPU or overclocked RAM. When you hit Windows one of the first things that happens is the registry is verified and usually backed up. Being one of the first CPU/RAM intensive processes (during the verify process Windows is also filling RAM with all its files, reserving blocks for cache, etc.) in the boot process this will usually throw an error. There's likely nothing wrong with the reg but Windows has a problem while reading it and assumes it's bad. Registry errors once the system is up and running may be more indicative of a bad HD but you should see other symptoms as well. SB.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:44:18 -0700, "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> I am getting ready to start playing GPL...Just got my Pentium III chip >> (I now get 12FPS on the starting grid...not too bad) > >What's your video card? That seems low for that CPU. Well...I have a Riva TNT2 and a Voodoo 1, but I did test GPL the frame rate with a resolution of 1280xwhatever... ;-) 800x600 will probably give alot better frame rate. (Hopefully) >What motherboard are you using? An Asus with a VIA chipset....I'd have to be home to check the exact model, but it does support 133 (or the BIOS would not allow me to set it at PC133 in the first place)

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> >Your problem sounds like: > >a) You're using PC100 RAM that can't handle 133 MHz. Some motherboards >require a memory multiplier to be set in BIOS (usually 3/4) to bring the RAM >down to 100 MHz. You could have a 1 multiplier set or a mobo that can't >handle different FSB and RAM speeds.

Hmm..worth investigating. I'll just put the memory at PC133 and my CPU at PC100 see if that crashes...if it does this is it. >b) You're using PC133 RAM and it's crap. Please no..it's been working at since I bought it used....I have never been burned by used stuff, and I wouldn't weant this to be it.. >c) You've got everything set correctly and your RAM is bad anyway. Looks like b) :-) Thanks Micha�l PS: I just took the ACT Lab shifter out of it's box during lunch....still dunno if it's great, but boy does it feel good ;-) This day si turning to be one of the longest day since I've worked here (did I mention this was my first ever racing wheel? *drool*)

Allright allright....I also have a Riva TNT2...Voodoo is just my "legacy 3dfx card" that isn't worth selling and actually helps me play old games... I knew I'd get a reaction quickly ;-) Michael On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:01:51 -0400, Gary <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:00:43 GMT, [email hidden] (Michael) >wrote: > >A PIII 733 with a V1?!?!?!?!? >For Games?!?!?!? >Please explain. >If you have no other reason than getting better fps with GPL please do >yourself a service and go back to the store and exchange the PIII for >a voodoo 3. Then all will be well. Thrust me. >>(I know, its not a racing game ;-) and the graphics on my voodoo 1 >>were screwed up...) >

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> > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:47:47 -0400, BRH <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > > >My first thought is that perhaps your RAM is not capable of running at > >133mhz. If it's PC-100 RAM, that could be the problem. Since you didn't > >change motherboards, that's the first thing that comes to mind. > > If the ram can't handle the higher speed then I would think he would > get the old blue screen of death and not registry errors. Registry > errors usually means the hard drive is the problem. Isn't there a way > on the VIA chipset to run the cpu at 133fsb and set a jumper to make > the ram run at 100mhz? I know some VIA chipset mb's have this, but > maybe not all VIA chipset boards.

I agree NOS, and yes, many VIA based boards have this setting, I'm starting to wonder if our friend has a faulty CPU though, it doesn't happen often, but over the year we have gotten a few in the shop Michael, if possible, I'd talk to the people you got it from and see if they have another one you can try Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Mountain climbing, auto racing and bullfighting are the only true sports...all others are games." --Ernest Hemingway--

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:48:38 GMT, [email hidden] (Michael) thus spoke: >Well...I have a Riva TNT2 and a Voodoo 1, but I did test GPL the frame >rate with a resolution of 1280xwhatever... ;-) Sell both and get a Voodoo5. I have a p3 800 w/Voodoo5 and I still don't run at that res. High res is nice, but it taxes the fill rate of the video card and I need the fill rate to use FSAA. >An Asus with a VIA chipset....I'd have to be home to check the exact >model, but it does support 133 (or the BIOS would not allow me to set >it at PC133 in the first place) Well, my mb is a BX chipset and I can set it way above 133mhz FSB, but it doesn't officially support above 100mhz. -- Nos

"Michael" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >What motherboard are you using? > > An Asus with a VIA chipset....I'd have to be home to check the exact > model, but it does support 133 (or the BIOS would not allow me to set > it at PC133 in the first place) > I was thinking that you likely need the setting for CPU @ 133 and RAM @ 100 unless you're sure you have PC133 RAM. I have the ASUS CUV4X (maybe same board as you?) with VIA chipset and a PIII667 (133MHz) and PC100 memory, thus I use the 4/3 multiplier in BIOS. SB.

Thanks to all of those who tried to help me. I tried setting my CPU at PC-133 and my RAM at PC100 (using the 4/3 multiplier). Still same result. My CPU might be defective (I can't see why it would end up showing this kind of weird behavior...). I'll try exchanging it tomorrow. BUT: I did get a couple of laps on Glen Watkins using my new racing wheel, and I already shaved 6 seconds off my record. It takes a while to get used to a racing wheel when you are used to the more sensitive "flight stick"....But it's worth it. Now let's try to win one simple novice race...:-) Michael On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:07:24 -0700, "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Michael" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >What motherboard are you using? >> >> An Asus with a VIA chipset....I'd have to be home to check the exact >> model, but it does support 133 (or the BIOS would not allow me to set >> it at PC133 in the first place) >> > > >I was thinking that you likely need the setting for CPU @ 133 and RAM @ 100 >unless you're sure you have PC133 RAM. > >I have the ASUS CUV4X (maybe same board as you?) with VIA chipset and a >PIII667 (133MHz) and PC100 memory, thus I use the 4/3 multiplier in BIOS. > >SB. > > > >

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:24:57 GMT, [email hidden] (Micha�l) thus spoke: >Thanks to all of those who tried to help me. I tried setting my CPU >at PC-133 and my RAM at PC100 (using the 4/3 multiplier). Still same >result. > >My CPU might be defective (I can't see why it would end up showing >this kind of weird behavior...). I'll try exchanging it tomorrow. Are you sure the PCI bus is not overclocked? You get an error message that the registry is corrupted right? That's what happens on some hard drives when they get overclocked too high. -- Nos

ihad a similar problem , but i had a bud reflash my BIOS with the latest from the manufacturer, viola, p3 700 hope that hellps On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:24:57 GMT, [email hidden] (Micha�l) wrote:

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>Thanks to all of those who tried to help me. I tried setting my CPU >at PC-133 and my RAM at PC100 (using the 4/3 multiplier). Still same >result. > >My CPU might be defective (I can't see why it would end up showing >this kind of weird behavior...). I'll try exchanging it tomorrow. > >BUT: I did get a couple of laps on Glen Watkins using my new racing >wheel, and I already shaved 6 seconds off my record. It takes a while >to get used to a racing wheel when you are used to the more sensitive >"flight stick"....But it's worth it. > >Now let's try to win one simple novice race...:-) > >Michael > > > >On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:07:24 -0700, "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>"Michael" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >>> >What motherboard are you using? >>> >>> An Asus with a VIA chipset....I'd have to be home to check the exact >>> model, but it does support 133 (or the BIOS would not allow me to set >>> it at PC133 in the first place) >>> >> >> >>I was thinking that you likely need the setting for CPU @ 133 and RAM @ 100 >>unless you're sure you have PC133 RAM. >> >>I have the ASUS CUV4X (maybe same board as you?) with VIA chipset and a >>PIII667 (133MHz) and PC100 memory, thus I use the 4/3 multiplier in BIOS. >> >>SB. >> >> >> >>

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:30:49 GMT Michal <[email hidden]> wrote: % I am starting to think it's a Windows problem....will Windows find % out by itself I have just upgraded from PII-266 to PIII-733, or do I % have to specify it somewhere? (I originally thought windows did not % give a damn about which CPU I had in....) % BTW, My bootup screen gives me PIII-550 (or PIII-733 depending on how % I set my bios settings), but Windows still gies me "Pentium II % processor" Most joes will tell you re-install windows, but it is not necessary. Boot up in safe mode and then go to the System Properties and start deleting all of the settings that apply to motherboard and CPU. Most of these will be found under System devices. While you are there start looking for duplicate entries in the other devices (delete all duplicate entries). When you reboot into Windows proper you may need drivers for your motherboard and chipset so have those ready on a disk. -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I believe you do have the same MB as I do. But I checked my RAM: putting it down at PC100 did not help. Probably a CPU problem or a motherboard setting.. I have been told to flash my motherboard...I'm suspicious of doing such a thing to my computer (eh? oh, that kind of flashing....) ;-) So I'll try that tonight....wndows patches, game patches and now bios patches....*sigh* Mike On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:07:24 -0700, "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Michael" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >What motherboard are you using? >> >> An Asus with a VIA chipset....I'd have to be home to check the exact >> model, but it does support 133 (or the BIOS would not allow me to set >> it at PC133 in the first place) >> > > >I was thinking that you likely need the setting for CPU @ 133 and RAM @ 100 >unless you're sure you have PC133 RAM. > >I have the ASUS CUV4X (maybe same board as you?) with VIA chipset and a >PIII667 (133MHz) and PC100 memory, thus I use the 4/3 multiplier in BIOS. > >SB. > > > >

You were right....as far as I can tell. The CPU is fine. I can bring the Motherboard to a PCI clock speed of around 21-22Mhz before the hard drive starts creating problems... But how can I go up to it's normal speed? If there a way to configure the HD correctly? Thanks Mike On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:01:06 GMT, [email hidden] (Nos) wrote:

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>On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:24:57 GMT, [email hidden] (Micha�l) thus >spoke: > >>Thanks to all of those who tried to help me. I tried setting my CPU >>at PC-133 and my RAM at PC100 (using the 4/3 multiplier). Still same >>result. >> >>My CPU might be defective (I can't see why it would end up showing >>this kind of weird behavior...). I'll try exchanging it tomorrow. > >Are you sure the PCI bus is not overclocked? You get an error message >that the registry is corrupted right? That's what happens on some hard >drives when they get overclocked too high. >-- >Nos