"cons" of VROC

What pisses me off are: 1) People who think they can gain 8 positions going into the first turn at Monza. [you don't win the race on the first lap!] 2) People who start servers only to stop them at the end of practice (hey if I wanted to practice, i wouldn't be online... I WANT TO RACE!) 3) Lag :( Can't they make a faster internet? I mean ADSL isn't fast enough. Cable is too volatile. I need a T3 line right into my house! And I doubt that would be good enough! :) 4) People who are good at the Ring :P Just kidding... i admire those peoples ability. ----------- http://surf.to/speedyfast26

Pros: 1. I get to race real thinking humans! Well sometimes. 2. Nice people (like myself) setup servers for VROC in lots of places and are running many different tracks, classes, and what not. 3. Doo Doo happens just like it does when the real racers go out and race. 4. It helps me with my road rage. Who me? 5. Most racers are kind courteous and forgiving. 6. I get to race real thinking humans! Cons: 1. I get to race humans! 2. Some people are just plain rude and imature, hmm like in real life. 3. Lag, but you learn to live with it, or you don't race. 4. First turn mayhem. 5. People who quit, usually after #4 happens. SLG Speedy Fast <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What pisses me off are: >1) People who think they can gain 8 positions going into the first >turn at Monza. [you don't win the race on the first lap!] > >2) People who start servers only to stop them at the end of practice >(hey if I wanted to practice, i wouldn't be online... I WANT TO RACE!) > >3) Lag :( Can't they make a faster internet? I mean ADSL isn't fast >enough. Cable is too volatile. I need a T3 line right into my house! >And I doubt that would be good enough! :) > >4) People who are good at the Ring :P Just kidding... i admire those >peoples ability. > > >----------- >http://surf.to/speedyfast26

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

> What pisses me off are: > 1) People who think they can gain 8 positions going into the first > turn at Monza. [you don't win the race on the first lap!] Yep. Some people will never learn the simple fac that people are on the grid ahead of them because they are faster drivers on the day. > > 2) People who start servers only to stop them at the end of practice > (hey if I wanted to practice, i wouldn't be online... I WANT TO RACE!) Sometimes these are marked in the comments. There are several leagues who practice like this. In the GPVL last year, we used to put up an hour of practive on the night before a race, stating in the notes that it was a GPVL F3 practice session. On occasions when we had low turnouts these sessions were not passworded. We regularly got people joining and asking what thei "F3 shit" was. They simply had not bothered to see what they were joining. > > 3) Lag :( Can't they make a faster internet? I mean ADSL isn't fast > enough. Cable is too volatile. I need a T3 line right into my house! > And I doubt that would be good enough! :) Trouble is, you own connection is only as good as your line to the worst hop. If a router has gone bad somewhere, you are screwed. Unless you are hosting, a 33k modem is plenty fast enough in most cases. > > 4) People who are good at the Ring :P Just kidding... i admire those > peoples ability. :-) MS > > > ----------- > http://surf.to/speedyfast26

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:48:08 GMT, Speedy Fast <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What pisses me off are: >1) People who think they can gain 8 positions going into the first >turn at Monza. [you don't win the race on the first lap!] > >2) People who start servers only to stop them at the end of practice >(hey if I wanted to practice, i wouldn't be online... I WANT TO RACE!) > >3) Lag :( Can't they make a faster internet? I mean ADSL isn't fast >enough. Cable is too volatile. I need a T3 line right into my house! >And I doubt that would be good enough! :) > >4) People who are good at the Ring :P Just kidding... i admire those >peoples ability.

5a) People who think they can outbrake you. 5b) People who tailgate you right into a turn (and I mean deep into a turn). There are several problems with this. 6) People who don't know how to setup a pass with someone nearly identical in speed. 7) People who only drive Monza. ----------- http://surf.to/speedyfast26

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>What pisses me off are: >>1) People who think they can gain 8 positions going into the first >>turn at Monza. [you don't win the race on the first lap!] >> >>2) People who start servers only to stop them at the end of practice >>(hey if I wanted to practice, i wouldn't be online... I WANT TO RACE!) >> >>3) Lag :( Can't they make a faster internet? I mean ADSL isn't fast >>enough. Cable is too volatile. I need a T3 line right into my house! >>And I doubt that would be good enough! :) >> >>4) People who are good at the Ring :P Just kidding... i admire those >>peoples ability. > >5a) People who think they can outbrake you. > >5b) People who tailgate you right into a turn (and I mean deep into a >turn). There are several problems with this. > >6) People who don't know how to setup a pass with someone nearly >identical in speed. > >7) People who only drive Monza.

8) people who do nothing but chat. Steven

RCFUN2 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > 8) people who do nothing but chat. > > Steven 9 People who do nothing but complain <G> -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam>

In article <lqrw5.3385$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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> >> What pisses me off are: >> 1) People who think they can gain 8 positions going into the first >> turn at Monza. [you don't win the race on the first lap!] > >Yep. Some people will never learn the simple fac that people are on >the grid ahead of them because they are faster drivers on the day.

Not necessarily. For instance, I don't practice with a light fuel load and a special qual setup. I use my race setup, so I will naturally be slower in practice than people using lighter fuel loads. Of course, this doesn't excuse anyone from pulling bone-headed lap 1/bturn 1 moves.

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>> >> 3) Lag :( Can't they make a faster internet? I mean ADSL isn't fast >> enough. Cable is too volatile. I need a T3 line right into my house! >> And I doubt that would be good enough! :) > >Trouble is, you own connection is only as good as your line to the worst >hop. If a router has gone bad somewhere, you are screwed. Unless you are >hosting, a 33k modem is plenty fast enough in most cases.

This has nothing to do with VROC. Why is it in your list? My pet peeve is that people quit a race when they think they have no chance of finishing well. Here's a perfect example. Last night I was in a race at Zandvoort, and I qualified on the pole (it was a really slow field with a lot of people joining late in practice). I spun my Eagle out about 1/3 through the first lap (my own solitary fault), and fell to last place (9th) waiting for cars to go by before returning to the racing surface. I ended up winning that race because everyone else was spinning out and I eventually passed everyone again. I ran the last seven laps by myself because everyone else quit. My best lap was only 1:28.15 (3 seconds or more off the fastest lap I've seen there), so you can see I'm not the fastest there. This kind of crap happens in EVERY non-league race I've ever run in GPL. I don't mind the lap 1/turn 1 stuff, but I wish everyone would stay in the damn race. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker (Zerex12) http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (420+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast DeMONS Scheduler for N3 and NL http://www.paddedwall.org/demons If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:49:02 GMT, [email hidden] (John Simmons) wrote:

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>In article <lqrw5.3385$[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> >>> What pisses me off are: >>> 1) People who think they can gain 8 positions going into the first >>> turn at Monza. [you don't win the race on the first lap!] >> >>Yep. Some people will never learn the simple fac that people are on >>the grid ahead of them because they are faster drivers on the day. > >Not necessarily. For instance, I don't practice with a light fuel load >and a special qual setup. I use my race setup, so I will naturally be >slower in practice than people using lighter fuel loads. Of course, this >doesn't excuse anyone from pulling bone-headed lap 1/bturn 1 moves. > >>> >>> 3) Lag :( Can't they make a faster internet? I mean ADSL isn't fast >>> enough. Cable is too volatile. I need a T3 line right into my house! >>> And I doubt that would be good enough! :) >> >>Trouble is, you own connection is only as good as your line to the worst >>hop. If a router has gone bad somewhere, you are screwed. Unless you are >>hosting, a 33k modem is plenty fast enough in most cases. > >This has nothing to do with VROC. Why is it in your list? > > >My pet peeve is that people quit a race when they think they have no >chance of finishing well. Here's a perfect example. > >Last night I was in a race at Zandvoort, and I qualified on the pole (it >was a really slow field with a lot of people joining late in practice). >I spun my Eagle out about 1/3 through the first lap (my own solitary >fault), and fell to last place (9th) waiting for cars to go by before >returning to the racing surface. I ended up winning that race because >everyone else was spinning out and I eventually passed everyone again. I >ran the last seven laps by myself because everyone else quit. My best >lap was only 1:28.15 (3 seconds or more off the fastest lap I've seen >there), so you can see I'm not the fastest there. > >This kind of crap happens in EVERY non-league race I've ever run in GPL. >I don't mind the lap 1/turn 1 stuff, but I wish everyone would stay in >the damn race.

I've won so many races (especially at Monza) because I never make a mistake. I guess the only time I make a mistake is when I get collected in someone elses crap. I've even outraced guys who were up to 1 second faster than me. All it takes is one turn to miss a braking point, and these people spin out Remember: a short race at Monza is 11 laps... plenty of time for the guys in front of you to make a mistake. My setups are geared so that if my backend slips out I can easily catch it. This is perfect for racing setups :) ----------- http://surf.to/speedyfast26

"John Simmons" wrote > My pet peeve is that people quit a race when they think they have no > chance of finishing well. Here's a perfect example.<snip> > This kind of crap happens in EVERY non-league race I've ever run in GPL. > I don't mind the lap 1/turn 1 stuff, but I wish everyone would stay in > the damn race. It is a dilemma most of us have faced in VROC. Spinning off and possibly being alone on the track for the rest of the race or catching others who have also gone off or are slower than you and having a great race. Somehow pessimism gets the better of many and although they go off assume no one else will. Playing catch up can be great fun, and many have tales of winning or having a close finish after an early incident that put them dead last. Having said that for those that pay for the phone connection when it becomes clear that the chances of seeing another car are remote the temptation to find another race is understandable, but it is definitely worth sticking with it for a few laps at least. Tony

[email hidden] (John Simmons) wrote: > My pet peeve is that people quit a race when they think they have no > chance of finishing well. Here's a perfect example. I "retired" from my first online race after 6 laps because I ripped my left front wheel off. Only later watching the replay did I notice other drivers doing Shift-R's. I did not know that was alllowed online or I would have done it! Now I do know it and now I race to the end. ;-) BUT THE BIGGEST CON OF VROC... ..is that it is so cool it is eating up my time! Lord, this is FUN!