Re: Why all the fuss over split-axis?

Chris Bloom wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >I really wonder sometimes why such a fuss is made here about sims nothaving >split-axis. Though I do use it in GPL I can't really tell the differance >between having and not having it. You can only brake or accelerate, you >can't do both at once! People sometimes use the accelerator, whilst trail-braking, to stabilise the car. Bendito;

I haven't used split axis myself, but for whatever reason someone may want to, braking and accelerating at the same time isn't the same as doing neither. Applying brakes on a rear wheel drive car gives you some braking force on the front, and using the gas at the same time could effectively neutralize the brakes on the rear (or give some throttling there). Probably a subtle handling balance/weight transfer thing. I know I'd like to try it so I can do brake-stands! :-P Todd Wasson Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

Well, my problem is that with the Win2K Immersion drivers for the Act Labs Force RS there is no support for combined axis. Secondly now that I am used to split axis, I would never want to go back to combined. --David Cook "Chris Bloom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I really wonder sometimes why such a fuss is made here about sims nothaving

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> split-axis. Though I do use it in GPL I can't really tell the differance > between having and not having it. You can only brake or accelerate, you > can't do both at once! > > Someone please try and enlighten me! > > Chris > > >

I really wonder sometimes why such a fuss is made here about sims not having split-axis. Though I do use it in GPL I can't really tell the differance between having and not having it. You can only brake or accelerate, you can't do both at once! Someone please try and enlighten me! Chris

Well, Actually you can do both at once. Try it in your own car. Put your left foot on the brake and your right foot on the gas and see what happens. You still have throttle applied so you will continue to move forward at a faster rate than by just letting off of the gas and using the brake. Plus it lets you keep your right foot at the proper position so when you let off of the brake, you do not need to have any lag in the gas. "Wishkah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:scmx5.38931$[email hidden]... > Well I don't know if you can do this in GPL as i don't have the game butin

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> real cars when breaking around corners you can apply just that tiny bit of > throttle so that when you come out you the corner your engine is already > reving at the optimal rate. > > > Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message > [email hidden]... > > I really wonder sometimes why such a fuss is made here about sims not > having > > split-axis. Though I do use it in GPL I can't really tell the

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> > between having and not having it. You can only brake or accelerate, you > > can't do both at once! > > > > Someone please try and enlighten me! > > > > Chris > > > > > > > >

As well as those excellent replies above, there's also the case where you accidentally leave the throttle about 1-2% pressed as you enter a braking zone, just by resting your foot on it or something. With combined axis you hit the brakes and nothing happens - straight in the gravel. With split axis - no problem. "Chris Bloom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I really wonder sometimes why such a fuss is made here about sims nothaving

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> split-axis. Though I do use it in GPL I can't really tell the differance > between having and not having it. You can only brake or accelerate, you > can't do both at once! > > Someone please try and enlighten me! > > Chris > > >

Well I don't know if you can do this in GPL as i don't have the game but in real cars when breaking around corners you can apply just that tiny bit of throttle so that when you come out you the corner your engine is already reving at the optimal rate. Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message [email hidden]... > I really wonder sometimes why such a fuss is made here about sims nothaving

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> split-axis. Though I do use it in GPL I can't really tell the differance > between having and not having it. You can only brake or accelerate, you > can't do both at once! > > Someone please try and enlighten me! > > Chris > > >

You can decrease the front brake bias and this will lessen! I had problems with the cars not turning when I was using both and it was solved by moving the brake bias to less front, usually only 2%. I use both all the time and could not drive Zandy, Mexico, ok well every damn track without it!!! SLG "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>As well as those excellent replies above, there's also the case where you >accidentally leave the throttle about 1-2% pressed as you enter a braking >zone, just by resting your foot on it or something. With combined axis you >hit the brakes and nothing happens - straight in the gravel. With split >axis - no problem. > >"Chris Bloom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I really wonder sometimes why such a fuss is made here about sims not >having >> split-axis. Though I do use it in GPL I can't really tell the differance >> between having and not having it. You can only brake or accelerate, you >> can't do both at once! >> >> Someone please try and enlighten me! >> >> Chris >> >> >> > >

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Simon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: : No, you misunderstood :), I didn't mean the brakes locking, I mean because : the throttle and brake share an axis, if the throttle is pressed even a : little, pressing the brake pedal has no effect at all, which only happens : with combined axis. : Hope that makes sense :) Not true - unless you've got a really shagged wheel/pedals. Test it in control panel. With combined axis, if you have the accelerator pedal slightly pressed and the brake pedal fully pressed it will be just as if you had the accelerator pedal not pressed and the brake pedal pressed almost all the way down. Hope this makes sense. If you press both brake and accelerator all the way down then it will be as if you pressed neither. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

No, you misunderstood :), I didn't mean the brakes locking, I mean because the throttle and brake share an axis, if the throttle is pressed even a little, pressing the brake pedal has no effect at all, which only happens with combined axis. Hope that makes sense :) "Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> You can decrease the front brake bias and this will lessen! I had > problems with the cars not turning when I was using both and it was > solved by moving the brake bias to less front, usually only 2%. > > I use both all the time and could not drive Zandy, Mexico, ok well > every damn track without it!!! > > SLG >

On 18 Sep 2000 07:32:05 GMT, [email hidden] (J. Todd Wasson) wrote:

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> I haven't used split axis myself, but for whatever reason someone may want >to, braking and accelerating at the same time isn't the same as doing neither. >Applying brakes on a rear wheel drive car gives you some braking force on the >front, and using the gas at the same time could effectively neutralize the >brakes on the rear (or give some throttling there). Probably a subtle handling >balance/weight transfer thing. I know I'd like to try it so I can do >brake-stands! :-P

Exactly. With split-axis you can put the brake bias more to the rear, I have it mostly at 51. As soon as you brake the car becomes very unstable, but adding a little throttle while braking neutralizes the car. Andre

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> >Todd Wasson >Todd Wasson >--- >Performance Simulations >Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction >Software >http://PerformanceSimulations.Com

And you can also touch the brake when accelerating through a corner to pitch the nose forward to induce a bit of oversteer and get around it a bit quicker. Bendito wrote:

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> Chris Bloom wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > >I really wonder sometimes why such a fuss is made here about sims not > having > >split-axis. Though I do use it in GPL I can't really tell the differance > >between having and not having it. You can only brake or accelerate, you > >can't do both at once! > > People sometimes use the accelerator, whilst trail-braking, to stabilise > the car. > > Bendito;

Yep, you are totally correct. I think the problem has been exaggerated in my head :) If I rest my right foot on the accelerator, that equates to about a 50% press, due to the weak springs. If I then press the brake full down I get only 50% braking force, which of course will still end up in disaster and a visit to the gravel traps. It's still a good reason for using seperate axis :) "Richard G Clegg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8q5goi$qni$[email hidden]...

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> Not true - unless you've got a really shagged wheel/pedals. Test it > in control panel. With combined axis, if you have the accelerator pedal > slightly pressed and the brake pedal fully pressed it will be just as if > you had the accelerator pedal not pressed and the brake pedal pressed > almost all the way down. Hope this makes sense. If you press both > brake and accelerator all the way down then it will be as if you pressed > neither. > > -- > Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving > Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group > Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York > UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> I haven't used split axis myself, but for whatever reason someone may want >>to, braking and accelerating at the same time isn't the same as doing >neither. >>Applying brakes on a rear wheel drive car gives you some braking force on >the >>front, and using the gas at the same time could effectively neutralize the >>brakes on the rear (or give some throttling there). Probably a subtle >handling >>balance/weight transfer thing. I know I'd like to try it so I can do >>brake-stands! :-P > >Exactly. With split-axis you can put the brake bias more to the rear, >I have it mostly at 51. As soon as you brake the car becomes very >unstable, but adding a little throttle while braking neutralizes the >car. > >Andre

That's one subtlety that seems to have escaped me... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.