Re: OT (So sue me): Speedvision USGP Sched

In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: > Barton Brown wrote: > > > > Speedvision's schedule of televised events for this weekend's USGPis as follows:

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> > > > Friday, 9/22 12:00noon-3:00pm Practice > > Saturday 9/23 10:00am-12:00 noon Practice > > Saturday 9/23 1:30pm-3:30pm Qualifying > > Sunday 9/24 1:00pm-4:00pm Race > > BTW, all times are Eastern >

Thanks Barton. I wonder if Letterman or Leno will get a driver to be a guest.. might be interesting. Anyway, I'm glad to see such a full schedule of coverage. The only drawback is that I'll be hearing the voice of Sam Posey this weekend two to three times more than usual (and I know he's already in his cubby-hole office working on some 'fascinating historical parallels' and various assorted analogy's.) But I'm just jazzed its all finally happening! 'Schumacher is IN the building' mr Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Any idea if anybody - ANYBODY - will broadcast the supercup race? (if it takes place, that is, with exploding pirellis and all) ;-) > > Friday, 9/22 12:00noon-3:00pm Practice > Saturday 9/23 10:00am-12:00 noon Practice > Saturday 9/23 1:30pm-3:30pm Qualifying > Sunday 9/24 1:00pm-4:00pm Race > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Speedvision's schedule of televised events for this weekend's USGP is as follows: Friday, 9/22 12:00noon-3:00pm Practice Saturday 9/23 10:00am-12:00 noon Practice Saturday 9/23 1:30pm-3:30pm Qualifying Sunday 9/24 1:00pm-4:00pm Race

Barton Brown wrote:

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> > Speedvision's schedule of televised events for this weekend's USGP is as follows: > > Friday, 9/22 12:00noon-3:00pm Practice > Saturday 9/23 10:00am-12:00 noon Practice > Saturday 9/23 1:30pm-3:30pm Qualifying > Sunday 9/24 1:00pm-4:00pm Race

BTW, all times are Eastern

In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Speedvision's schedule of televised events for this weekend's USGP is as > follows: > >Friday, 9/22 12:00noon-3:00pm Practice >Saturday 9/23 10:00am-12:00 noon Practice >Saturday 9/23 1:30pm-3:30pm Qualifying >Sunday 9/24 1:00pm-4:00pm Race

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Thanks for the heads up Barton. Now if I could just convince my buddy with Speedvision to break out a few blank tapes and his vcr... -- See ya in the pits, Deano I have a terrible memory. In fact it's so bad that I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. "Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Barton Brown wrote: > > > > Speedvision's schedule of televised events for this weekend's USGP is as follows: > > > > Friday, 9/22 12:00noon-3:00pm Practice > > Saturday 9/23 10:00am-12:00 noon Practice > > Saturday 9/23 1:30pm-3:30pm Qualifying > > Sunday 9/24 1:00pm-4:00pm Race > > BTW, all times are Eastern >

><[email hidden]> wrote > Thanks Barton. I wonder if Letterman or Leno will get a driver to be a > guest.. Eddie Irvine was a guest on LSWDL a couple of days ago. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

In article <9ozx5.10881$[email hidden]>, "Daniel Shirley" <daniel<REMOVEE>@awpss.com> wrote: > Hey, > From http://www.porsche.com/national/motorsports/news/120900.htm > > "Highlights of the Porsche-Pirelli-Supercup races - one Saturday andone > Sunday - will be televised on the Speedvision Network on Friday, Nov.17, > at 10:30 PM EST. Speedvision will also televise a special program > highlighting the entire 2000 Supercup season on Monday, Dec. 4, at10:00 PM > EST." >Thank you thank you thank you !!!! > > [email hidden] wrote in message<8q67nn$n5m$[email hidden]>...

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> > > > > >Any idea if anybody - ANYBODY - will broadcast the supercup race? > >(if it takes place, that is, with exploding pirellis and all) ;-) > > > > > >

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I'm betting Speedvision will show at least highlights...especially if Little Al convinces Mario to drive in it... dave henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8q67nn$n5m$[email hidden]...

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> > > Any idea if anybody - ANYBODY - will broadcast the supercup race? > (if it takes place, that is, with exploding pirellis and all) ;-) > > > > > > Friday, 9/22 12:00noon-3:00pm Practice > > Saturday 9/23 10:00am-12:00 noon Practice > > Saturday 9/23 1:30pm-3:30pm Qualifying > > Sunday 9/24 1:00pm-4:00pm Race > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

On Mon 18 Sep 2000 02:59:10pm, Barton Brown wrote: >Speedvision's schedule<snip> Blimey. ITV aren't even showing the race live. Hopeless. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.17) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh) The GPL Scrapyard - mangled wrecks from http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

Not as critical as whether your Frogmaster Steering Wheel return springs are wound clockwise or anti-clockwise, I know, but the Fox Sports Net, Speedvision, and IRRN schedules for the USGP weekend are at: http://www.usgpindy.com/press/2000/irrn-09132000.php3 Same website has an entry list (as of 9/12) for the Pirelli SuperCup race, but no television scheds. Check your local listings, as FoxSports and MSG are both carrying some of the practice and qual (and, I presume, a tape delay of the race itself.)

Hey, From http://www.porsche.com/national/motorsports/news/120900.htm "Highlights of the Porsche-Pirelli-Supercup races - one Saturday and one Sunday - will be televised on the Speedvision Network on Friday, Nov. 17, at 10:30 PM EST. Speedvision will also televise a special program highlighting the entire 2000 Supercup season on Monday, Dec. 4, at 10:00 PM EST." ds [email hidden] wrote in message <8q67nn$n5m$[email hidden]>... > > >Any idea if anybody - ANYBODY - will broadcast the supercup race? >(if it takes place, that is, with exploding pirellis and all) ;-) > >

On the bright side, they'll have Steve Matchett helping out on TV! That should compensate for Sam.... ? <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8q601m$dlf$[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Barton Brown wrote: > > > > > > Speedvision's schedule of televised events for this weekend's USGP > is as follows: > > > > > > Friday, 9/22 12:00noon-3:00pm Practice > > > Saturday 9/23 10:00am-12:00 noon Practice > > > Saturday 9/23 1:30pm-3:30pm Qualifying > > > Sunday 9/24 1:00pm-4:00pm Race > > > > BTW, all times are Eastern > > > > > Thanks Barton. I wonder if Letterman or Leno will get a driver to be a > guest.. might be interesting. Anyway, I'm glad to see such a full > schedule of coverage. The only drawback is that I'll be hearing the > voice of Sam Posey this weekend two to three times more than usual (and > I know he's already in his cubby-hole office working on > some 'fascinating historical parallels' and various assorted > analogy's.) But I'm just jazzed its all finally happening! > > 'Schumacher is IN the building' > > mr > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

In article <3SAx5.4768$[email hidden]>, "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote: > On the bright side, they'll have Steve Matchett helping out on TV!That > should compensate for Sam.... ? > I figured out what I dislike about Sam Posey: he constantly imparts nearly everything he says with either dramatic or supposedly important 'overtones.' He never seems to just speak casually. Its always, 'dont you think, gentlemen, that Schumachers emotional display at the Monza press conference says something important about his chances for the World Championship?' ..and then he invariably answers his own questions! :-) God.. I'm dreading him already. mr Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Well, as he said after 'OT', Zonk.....sue him! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Zonky <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xzqx5.8814$ly4.70100@NewsReader... > In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >Speedvision's schedule of televised events for this weekend's USGP is as > > follows: > > > >Friday, 9/22 12:00noon-3:00pm Practice > >Saturday 9/23 10:00am-12:00 noon Practice > >Saturday 9/23 1:30pm-3:30pm Qualifying > >Sunday 9/24 1:00pm-4:00pm Race > > From Earthlink's AUP. > > News. EarthLink Members should use their best judgment when posting to any > newsgroup. Many groups have charters, published guidelines, FAQs, or > "community standards" describing what is and is not considered appropriate. > Usenet can be a valuable resource if used properly. The continued posting of > off-topic articles is prohibited. > > > Please remove my_pants when replying.

In article <8q6t96$fbk$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote: >I figured out what I dislike about Sam Posey: he constantly imparts >nearly everything he says with either dramatic or supposedly >important 'overtones.' He never seems to just speak casually. Bingo. But isn't it that way with everything F1? Every accident is "huge", every lap was "brilliant". Every off-track utterance from an owner or driver is of earth-shattering import. Sam is just a somewhat magnified version of it. Pretty much every race I have to recall that Posey was a driver (umm, he was, wasn't he?). He comes across as just another broadcaster hack relying on the expertise of his partners.

As a race commentator, Sam Posey makes a good race driver. <g> I really dread the races when he's in the booth. Quite the pompous ass... Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

Dear Zonkohhroid: Of the 61 messages posted in rec.autos.simulators under your anonymous mailshack name since May of this year, 11 of them -- nearly 20% -- are completely off-topic for this NG... and I'm not even counting your numerous rants against OTHERS for posting off-topic, which makes your actual "ON-topic" percentage considerably lower. BTW, your "name" shows up in this NG for the first time on 3/14/00; of course, who knows how long you've been posting under some other name? So, again, by all means, bring it on... I'm sure that you think because you sit behind an anonymous (you wish!) mailer in the UK you can do or say anything you like with impunity. Well, here's your chance to prove it... Put up or shut up. BB

According to www.planet-f1.com they will be showing the race live on ITV2 in the UK. Might want to check it out David. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote:

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> On Mon 18 Sep 2000 02:59:10pm, Barton Brown wrote: > > >Speedvision's schedule > <snip> > > Blimey. ITV aren't even showing the race live. Hopeless. > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.17) > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh) > The GPL Scrapyard - mangled wrecks from

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On Wed 20 Sep 2000 03:31:00pm, wrote: >According to www.planet-f1.com they will be showing the race live on >ITV2 in the UK. Might want to check it out David. That's digital terrestrial or cable only - which I ain't got :( -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.17) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh) The GPL Scrapyard - mangled wrecks from http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

In article <xzqx5.8814$ly4.70100@NewsReader>, [email hidden] (Zonky) writes:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown ><[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>Speedvision's schedule of televised events for this weekend's USGP is as >> follows: >> >>Friday, 9/22 12:00noon-3:00pm Practice >>Saturday 9/23 10:00am-12:00 noon Practice >>Saturday 9/23 1:30pm-3:30pm Qualifying >>Sunday 9/24 1:00pm-4:00pm Race > >From Earthlink's AUP. > >News. EarthLink Members should use their best judgment when posting to any >newsgroup. Many groups have charters, published guidelines, FAQs, or >"community standards" describing what is and is not considered appropriate. >Usenet can be a valuable resource if used properly. The continued posting of >off-topic articles is prohibited. >

You're kidding, right? Are you actually bitching about this? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +49.67 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Dear Zonkohhroid: > >Of the 61 messages posted in rec.autos.simulators under your anonymous >mailshack name since May of this year, 11 of them -- nearly 20% -- are >completely off-topic for this NG... and I'm not even counting your >numerous rants against OTHERS for posting off-topic, which makes your >actual "ON-topic" percentage considerably lower. BTW, your "name" shows >up in this NG for the first time on 3/14/00; of course, who knows how >long you've been posting under some other name?

We all in RAS must say we're jolly impressed with your ability to copy and paste off a tv schedule & also use Deja News unaided. Bravo! Indeed as you may note, i've been posting with Zonk* derivatives for the last X years off my life! The shame! What would my parents think? >So, again, by all means, bring it on... I'm sure that you think because >you sit behind an anonymous (you wish!) mailer in the UK you can do or >say anything you like with impunity. Well, here's your chance to prove it... Er... Anonymous mailer? I'm using no such thing. I realise that you may not understand the My_pants bit. We humans call it "humor" >Put up or shut up. I realise i'm no match for a real man like yourself! Repetitve advert posters against charter scare the shit out of me! >BB PS: I wasn't actually suggesting that you should be reported for breaching your isp's AUP! God knows that wouldn't be fair for someone who can't even find the relevant voted charter! Please remove my_pants when replying.

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > Zonk, what is a "voted charter" and who voted for (or against) it and when? Ask Greg Cisco, he was one of the voters if memory serves me right :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Zonk, what is a "voted charter" and who voted for (or against) it and when? Bruce, The charter* is voted for during the creation of the newsgroup in news.groups. The vote is overseen by a nominated independent party, and if successful (to be successful, 100 more valid YES/create votes are received than NO/don't create AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes received are in favor of creation, a newgroup control message may be sent out. A gentleman known as "Tale" is the only person who is judged able to send a control message that will be respected in the creation of a "big 8" group by any of the major news feeds. Please note, newsgroup creation is long & complicated process under a big 8 (which included rec). For more detail, you may look here: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/ As some may know, Alt is not part of usenet (which is only comprised of the big 8) and has it's own control procedure (and chaos!) under alt.config. I don't really have the time to hone down the exact creation date at the moment- i recall rec.auto.sport being closed and replaced with .f1, .indy, nascar, .tech & .misc, as well as simulators all being done at the same time in around early/mid 1993. Z. *The copy of the voted charter is avaliable at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bspahh/rasfaq/node22.html#SECTION00380000000000000000 Please remove my_pants when replying.

Zonk, what is a "voted charter" and who voted for (or against) it and when? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Zonky <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ERZx5.9093$ly4.73666@NewsReader... > > PS: I wasn't actually suggesting that you should be reported for breaching > your isp's AUP! God knows that wouldn't be fair for someone who can't even > find the relevant voted charter! >

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> > Thanks for that. > The question that is uppermost in my mind, though, is WHO controls a > newsgroup once it's formed? > > For example, and this may seem very simplistic, who is "boss"? I don't mean > in an unmoderated vs moderated way, but who says "OK...that's it....I've had > enough of the crap in this (read "any") NG....I'm pulling the plug!"?

ymenard ? :-))) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

The point remains that you are still unable to defend your hypocracy with any credibility. I remember doing a cut and paste excercise on your OT postings to this forum some time ago, showing the diversity of your posts. I remember the reply from my good buddy Jan Verschueren. "Some people like to preach the do as I say, not the do as I do routine". MS "Zonky" > We all in RAS must say we're jolly impressed with your ability to copy and > paste off a tv schedule & also use Deja News unaided. Bravo!

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In article <39c9cda2$[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Thanks for that. >The question that is uppermost in my mind, though, is WHO controls a >newsgroup once it's formed? > >For example, and this may seem very simplistic, who is "boss"? I don't mean >in an unmoderated vs moderated way, but who says "OK...that's it....I've had >enough of the crap in this (read "any") NG....I'm pulling the plug!"? >

Bruce, Directly, no one. A NG may be deleted modified, replaced etc by going through the newsgroup process, but as a rule, only Individuals ISP's can control individuals access based on their AUP, (and pulling that person's access). Z. Please remove my_pants when replying.

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote > For example, and this may seem very simplistic, who is "boss"? me ;-P > I don't mean > in an unmoderated vs moderated way, but who says "OK...that's it....I'vehad > enough of the crap in this (read "any") NG....I'm pulling the plug!"? Seriously, nobody does Bruce. A Newsgroup is timeless, it will continue into infinity or until the whole Usenet dies by itself. It has start but has possibily no end. <cut to Twilight Zone music> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote > To remove a newsgroup only requires a 'RMGROUP' message and > in theory can be done by any user. Yeah but is there a news server admin that will really accept a RMGROUP? In these days where the admin are probably old Unix fellows that have Usenet experience back before it was part of the Internet-itself, I don't see that happened ever. Even if there is a RMGROUP crusade like back in 1997, where some freaks made an attempt to delete one of the alt newsgroups, but it was mostly an empty newsgroup that would never have a purpose in the future. That's 1 out of 90000+. > In other words, there's no 'boss', just the individual users. Controlled anarchy, perfect utopia ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

In article <[email hidden]>, David Buttery <[email hidden]> writes

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>On Wed 20 Sep 2000 03:31:00pm, wrote: > >>According to www.planet-f1.com they will be showing the race live on >>ITV2 in the UK. Might want to check it out David. > >That's digital terrestrial or cable only - which I ain't got :( >

And to get it would require an extremely large payment of at least 100UKP and probably more just so they can put their damned box in. All just to watch one race live? No way man!! -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

Thanks for that. The question that is uppermost in my mind, though, is WHO controls a newsgroup once it's formed? For example, and this may seem very simplistic, who is "boss"? I don't mean in an unmoderated vs moderated way, but who says "OK...that's it....I've had enough of the crap in this (read "any") NG....I'm pulling the plug!"? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Zonky <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tW3y5.9144$ly4.74215@NewsReader... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Zonk, what is a "voted charter" and who voted for (or against) it and when? > > > Bruce, > > The charter* is voted for during the creation of the newsgroup in news.groups. > The vote is overseen by a nominated independent party, and if successful (to > be successful, 100 more valid YES/create > votes are received than NO/don't create AND at least 2/3 of the > total number of valid votes received are in favor of creation, a > newgroup control message may be sent out. > > A gentleman known as "Tale" is the only person who is judged able to send a > control message that will be respected in the creation of a "big 8" group by > any of the major news feeds. > > Please note, newsgroup creation is long & complicated process under a big 8 > (which included rec). For more detail, you may look here: > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/ > > As some may know, Alt is not part of usenet (which is only comprised of the > big 8) and has it's own control procedure (and chaos!) under alt.config. > > I don't really have the time to hone down the exact creation date at the > moment- i recall rec.auto.sport being closed and replaced with .f1, .indy, > .nascar, .tech & .misc, as well as simulators all being done at the same time > in around early/mid 1993. > > Z. > > > *The copy of the voted charter is avaliable at > > http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bspahh/rasfaq/node22.html#SECTION00380000000000000000 > > > > > Please remove my_pants when replying.

ROFL!!! God...I should have seen *THAT* coming from 5 km away!!! :-))) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > ymenard ? :-))) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy >

Thanks for that little educational tour, Mr. Rrevved. Much appreciated. I am now wiser about how NGs work than I was 10 minutes ago...although it still seems like magic to me! :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:59:01 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Whew.. >

But WHERE do all the posts reside...on my ISP's server, on your ISP's server....where??? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Zonky <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vDmy5.10547$pi.94677@NewsReader... > In article <39c9cda2$[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Thanks for that. > >The question that is uppermost in my mind, though, is WHO controls a > >newsgroup once it's formed? > > > >For example, and this may seem very simplistic, who is "boss"? I don't mean > >in an unmoderated vs moderated way, but who says "OK...that's it....I've had > >enough of the crap in this (read "any") NG....I'm pulling the plug!"? > > > > Bruce, > > Directly, no one. A NG may be deleted modified, replaced etc by going through > the newsgroup process, but as a rule, only Individuals ISP's can control > individuals access based on their AUP, (and pulling that person's access). > > Z. > > > Please remove my_pants when replying.