Re: Which F1 sim for me?

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> >I'm an F1 fan, but not a rabid one. I own a wheel, but not force >feedback. My system is a PIII-550 w/ a 12 meg Voodoo2 and 128meg RAM. >I'm more interested in FUN than accuracy and want to race (w/ >adjustable difficulty), not hot lap. I don't like "driving aids" >because I prefer to control the car, but I do like to be able to turn >down the AI so I can be competitive. I spend little time with games, >so I can't afford hours of practice to gear up for a race. Nothing >frustrates me more than a slide show start, but I consider over 15-20 >fps playable. F1 2000? GP3? Something else? Thanks! >

HEHEHE.........Should I tell him guys........GPL?? hehehehehe

Based on what you've posted, I'd recommend GP3, or you might also consider F1WGP (which I've seen for $19 at CompUSA). F12000 is also coming down in price, but it's a bit of a system hog, and I'm not sure how it will run with a 12 MB Voodoo2 card. GP3 offers good graphics out of the box, it should scream on your system, and the AI is supposed to be pretty decent (I'm mainly a hot- lapper in GP3, though). All in all, a solid offering that seems like what you're looking for. F1WGP is VERY good looking, but it leans a bit more towards arcade racing (some of the spins are VERY canned, which gets frustrating). Still, it's fun to drive, and if "Need For Speed"-type games appeal to you just for the driving action, then this is one to consider (it's driving model is WAY better than any NFS offering short of NFSPU, though). My personal favorite is F12000, but it is a system hog and you have to make sure you're running the latest patches and such to get it to perform decently. A PIII-500 should be a decent CPU to run F12000 with, but the Voodoo2 might be a problem. F12000 features GPL-level realism, so it might not be the best choice for casual F1 racing. The plus side for F12000 is that it's the ONLY sim out that features the 2000 series and the new Indy F1 track. Hope this helps a bit. -- JB In article <8q8605$uni$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote:

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> I'm an F1 fan, but not a rabid one. I own a wheel, but not force > feedback. My system is a PIII-550 w/ a 12 meg Voodoo2 and 128meg RAM. > I'm more interested in FUN than accuracy and want to race (w/ > adjustable difficulty), not hot lap. I don't like "driving aids" > because I prefer to control the car, but I do like to be able to turn > down the AI so I can be competitive. I spend little time with games, > so I can't afford hours of practice to gear up for a race. Nothing > frustrates me more than a slide show start, but I consider over 15-20 > fps playable. F1 2000? GP3? Something else? Thanks! > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >

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I'm an F1 fan, but not a rabid one. I own a wheel, but not force feedback. My system is a PIII-550 w/ a 12 meg Voodoo2 and 128meg RAM. I'm more interested in FUN than accuracy and want to race (w/ adjustable difficulty), not hot lap. I don't like "driving aids" because I prefer to control the car, but I do like to be able to turn down the AI so I can be competitive. I spend little time with games, so I can't afford hours of practice to gear up for a race. Nothing frustrates me more than a slide show start, but I consider over 15-20 fps playable. F1 2000? GP3? Something else? Thanks! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I would say gp3, ou can set all that you mentioned, plus it will be faster than f12000. But, then again, you know what they say about oppinions ;))))))))))))) Domi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8q8605$uni$[email hidden]... > I'm an F1 fan, but not a rabid one. I own a wheel, but not force > feedback. My system is a PIII-550 w/ a 12 meg Voodoo2 and 128megRAM. > I'm more interested in FUN than accuracy and want to race (w/ > adjustable difficulty), not hot lap. I don't like "driving aids" > because I prefer to control the car, but I do like to be able toturn > down the AI so I can be competitive. I spend little time withgames, > so I can't afford hours of practice to gear up for a race. Nothing > frustrates me more than a slide show start, but I consider over15-20 > fps playable. F1 2000? GP3? Something else? Thanks! > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

He said he wants fun, not torment! ;) -- ----------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +15.49 http://members.tripod.com/~morganv/ ----------------------------------- "TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > >I'm an F1 fan, but not a rabid one. I own a wheel, but not force > >feedback. My system is a PIII-550 w/ a 12 meg Voodoo2 and 128meg RAM. > >I'm more interested in FUN than accuracy and want to race (w/ > >adjustable difficulty), not hot lap. I don't like "driving aids" > >because I prefer to control the car, but I do like to be able to turn > >down the AI so I can be competitive. I spend little time with games, > >so I can't afford hours of practice to gear up for a race. Nothing > >frustrates me more than a slide show start, but I consider over 15-20 > >fps playable. F1 2000? GP3? Something else? Thanks! > > > > > HEHEHE.........Should I tell him guys........GPL?? > > hehehehehe >

Good solid comparison of all three. I agree that F1 World Grand Prix may be just what the poster is looking for. Great graphics, reasonable system requirements, fun (although not really a serious sim), and has some unique features such as "In-the-helmet" view, and the ability to jump into a replay at any point and "re-drive" that lap. FWIW, my old system was a Celeron 300a o/ced to 450 with 2 SLI'ed Voodoo2's. (Just upgraded to a Celeron 566 o/ced to 850) I may have been the exception, but I got pretty decent performance with F12K on my old CPU. I don't really think that it could simply have been because of the 2nd Voodoo2, could it? So, I think that it would run fairly well on the poster's system, especially if he turns off any background programs first. [email hidden] wrote:

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> Based on what you've posted, I'd recommend GP3, or you might also > consider F1WGP (which I've seen for $19 at CompUSA). F12000 is also > coming down in price, but it's a bit of a system hog, and I'm not sure > how it will run with a 12 MB Voodoo2 card. > > GP3 offers good graphics out of the box, it should scream on your > system, and the AI is supposed to be pretty decent (I'm mainly a hot- > lapper in GP3, though). All in all, a solid offering that seems like > what you're looking for. > > F1WGP is VERY good looking, but it leans a bit more towards arcade > racing (some of the spins are VERY canned, which gets frustrating). > Still, it's fun to drive, and if "Need For Speed"-type games appeal to > you just for the driving action, then this is one to consider (it's > driving model is WAY better than any NFS offering short of NFSPU, > though). > > My personal favorite is F12000, but it is a system hog and you have to > make sure you're running the latest patches and such to get it to > perform decently. A PIII-500 should be a decent CPU to run F12000 > with, but the Voodoo2 might be a problem. F12000 features GPL-level > realism, so it might not be the best choice for casual F1 racing. The > plus side for F12000 is that it's the ONLY sim out that features the > 2000 series and the new Indy F1 track. > > Hope this helps a bit. > > -- JB > > In article <8q8605$uni$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] wrote: > > I'm an F1 fan, but not a rabid one. I own a wheel, but not force > > feedback. My system is a PIII-550 w/ a 12 meg Voodoo2 and 128meg RAM. > > I'm more interested in FUN than accuracy and want to race (w/ > > adjustable difficulty), not hot lap. I don't like "driving aids" > > because I prefer to control the car, but I do like to be able to turn > > down the AI so I can be competitive. I spend little time with games, > > so I can't afford hours of practice to gear up for a race. Nothing > > frustrates me more than a slide show start, but I consider over 15-20 > > fps playable. F1 2000? GP3? Something else? Thanks! > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

I'm not an MCSE, but I am a Compaq-certified Windows NT network administrator, I am also intimately familiar Microsoft and their products. I have personally been using Cacheman on my own Windows 98 system with good results -- I only have 64 MB of system RAM, so that could be why I am seeing gains; if you have 256 MB of RAM, the benefits might be negligible, but for modest systems like mine, it does seem to make a difference, and it's been 100% trouble-free for me. Your advice on the permanent swap file is dead-on, BTW. -- JB In article <[email hidden]>, noemail wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:43:27 GMT, [email hidden] thus spoke: > > >In my personal opinion, you can't go wrong with F12000. If youmissed

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> >it earlier, you might want to check out the following post rearding > >F12000 tweaking and graphics optimization: > > > >http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=if]/getdoc.xp?AN=671271939.1 > > > >Enjoy! > > I started to read that post on Deja and then I groaned when I got to > this part. > > Please note that I've also optimized my system using the "Cacheman" > utility (www.tweakfiles.com/memory/cacheman.html). I highly recommend > this -- it's a cheap, painless way to improve your system's > performance overall, and you don't have to be a computer guru to use > it (just select the "3D gaming system" or "low memory system" setting > and re- boot). > > I've used cacheman and I've tried just about every tweak in the book. > In the end the best thing on a Win98 system is to just leave it alone > and let it do it's own thing. The only optimization one might want to > do is to create a permanent swap file of around 200-250mb. I don't > even do that anymore because with 256mb of ram I see no difference in > performance. Cacheman helped Win95, but it does nothing for Win98 and > if set wrong could make performance worse. That's what I was told by a > MSCE anyway. And going by my own experience I tend to believe him. > -- > Nos >

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I would recomned GP3 as the best F1 Game out there today (not counting GPL whcih is F1 allbeit historical). There are a few anoying things about it (most notably the crap AI) but it is really fun and easy to get into. The only problem is that it will not run at all well on Voodoo 2s. Luckily for me I've got two machines, a nice shiny PIII@765 with a GeForce DDR on which it runs as well as it can and a K6-2 @417 with 2 Voodoo 2s which is not exactly slow but on which GP3 runs at a snails pace. It's so slow in Voodoo mode that it's evebn slower than in software mode and that's after spending hours trying out all the hacks and tweaks available. So until they patch it I'd go for something else if I where you or get a nice fast GeForce card. Some Call Me Tim (GPL will run really great on your machine BTW;-)

Thanks BRH -- I'll take that as high praise indeed! <G> Seriously, though -- people come here for information and insight, and I am always glad when I can provide useful information. ;-) -- JB In article <[email hidden]>, BRH <[email hidden]> wrote: > Good solid comparison of all three. I agree that F1 World Grand Prixmay be > just what the poster is looking for. Great graphics, reasonablesystem > requirements, fun (although not really a serious sim), and has someunique > features such as "In-the-helmet" view, and the ability to jump into areplay > at any point and "re-drive" that lap. > > FWIW, my old system was a Celeron 300a o/ced to 450 with 2 SLI'ed > Voodoo2's. (Just upgraded to a Celeron 566 o/ced to 850) I may havebeen > the exception, but I got pretty decent performance with F12K on myold CPU. > I don't really think that it could simply have been because of the 2nd > Voodoo2, could it? So, I think that it would run fairly well on the > poster's system, especially if he turns off any background programsfirst. > > [email hidden] wrote: > > > Based on what you've posted, I'd recommend GP3, or you might also > > consider F1WGP (which I've seen for $19 at CompUSA). F12000 is also > > coming down in price, but it's a bit of a system hog, and I'm notsure > > how it will run with a 12 MB Voodoo2 card. > > > > GP3 offers good graphics out of the box, it should scream on your > > system, and the AI is supposed to be pretty decent (I'm mainly ahot- > > lapper in GP3, though). All in all, a solid offering that seemslike > > what you're looking for. > > > > F1WGP is VERY good looking, but it leans a bit more towards arcade > > racing (some of the spins are VERY canned, which gets frustrating). > > Still, it's fun to drive, and if "Need For Speed"-type games appealto > > you just for the driving action, then this is one to consider (it's > > driving model is WAY better than any NFS offering short of NFSPU, > > though). > > > > My personal favorite is F12000, but it is a system hog and you haveto > > make sure you're running the latest patches and such to get it to > > perform decently. A PIII-500 should be a decent CPU to run F12000 > > with, but the Voodoo2 might be a problem. F12000 features GPL-level > > realism, so it might not be the best choice for casual F1 racing.The

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> > plus side for F12000 is that it's the ONLY sim out that features the > > 2000 series and the new Indy F1 track. > > > > Hope this helps a bit. > > > > -- JB > > > > In article <8q8605$uni$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] wrote: > > > I'm an F1 fan, but not a rabid one. I own a wheel, but not force > > > feedback. My system is a PIII-550 w/ a 12 meg Voodoo2 and 128meg

RAM. > > > I'm more interested in FUN than accuracy and want to race (w/ > > > adjustable difficulty), not hot lap. I don't like "driving aids" > > > because I prefer to control the car, but I do like to be able toturn > > > down the AI so I can be competitive. I spend little time withgames, > > > so I can't afford hours of practice to gear up for a race.Nothing > > > frustrates me more than a slide show start, but I consider over15-20

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> > > fps playable. F1 2000? GP3? Something else? Thanks! > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

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Well, F1 2000 is more of a fun game than GP3. From what you said, you'd probably enjoy F1 2000 more than GP3. But the down side is, it is a resource hog. I think your computer could run it with no problems. Espically with your Voodoo 2 only supporting 800x600. You should have no problems running it. GP3 takes awhile to be competitive. Even on the easy setting. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8q8605$uni$[email hidden]...

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> I'm an F1 fan, but not a rabid one. I own a wheel, but not force > feedback. My system is a PIII-550 w/ a 12 meg Voodoo2 and 128meg RAM. > I'm more interested in FUN than accuracy and want to race (w/ > adjustable difficulty), not hot lap. I don't like "driving aids" > because I prefer to control the car, but I do like to be able to turn > down the AI so I can be competitive. I spend little time with games, > so I can't afford hours of practice to gear up for a race. Nothing > frustrates me more than a slide show start, but I consider over 15-20 > fps playable. F1 2000? GP3? Something else? Thanks! > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

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> My personal favorite is F12000, but it is a system hog and you have to > make sure you're running the latest patches and such to get it to > perform decently. A PIII-500 should be a decent CPU to run F12000 > with, but the Voodoo2 might be a problem. F12000 features GPL-level > realism, so it might not be the best choice for casual F1 racing. The > plus side for F12000 is that it's the ONLY sim out that features the > 2000 series and the new Indy F1 track.

I also enjoy F1 2000. But, I think it is a much easier sim than GP3. I'm not sure if I'd compare it to GPL also. I had no problem being competative in F1 2000. I have yet to even be close to the AI in GP3 (mostly due to a lack of interest in playing it, as it seems like an upgraded early 90's game).

Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it. I think I'll give F1 2000 a go. Sounds like my system will be OK, but not stellar, but if Voodoo2 gives GP3 fits, that's no good for me (no new hardware in my near future). Also current season (w/ Indy) is attractive, as is $20 pricetag. I'll give it a go! Thanks again. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In my personal opinion, you can't go wrong with F12000. If you missed it earlier, you might want to check out the following post rearding F12000 tweaking and graphics optimization: http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=if]/getdoc.xp?AN=671271939.1 Enjoy! -- JB In article <8q9go0$hmt$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote: > Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it. I think I'll give > F1 2000 a go. Sounds like my system will be OK, but not stellar, but > if Voodoo2 gives GP3 fits, that's no good for me (no new hardware inmy

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> near future). Also current season (w/ Indy) is attractive, as is $20 > pricetag. I'll give it a go! > > Thanks again. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. >

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I got GP3 working quite nicely with my single Voodoo 2, I did use the low res textures and adjusted the trigger(?) distance but it works okay with no major slowdowns. It's totally playable even if the eye candy isn't as good as it could be. Chris -- Citylab Durban www.citylab.com Some Call Me Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:igUx5.465$[email hidden]... > > The only problem is that it will not run at all well on Voodoo 2s. Luckily > for me I've got two machines, a nice shiny PIII@765 with a GeForce DDR on > which it runs as well as it can and a K6-2 @417 with 2 Voodoo 2s which is > not exactly slow but on which GP3 runs at a snails pace. It's so slow in > Voodoo mode that it's evebn slower than in software mode and that's after > spending hours trying out all the hacks and tweaks available. > > So until they patch it I'd go for something else if I where you or get a > nice fast GeForce card. > > Some Call Me Tim > > (GPL will run really great on your machine BTW;-) > >

On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:43:27 GMT, [email hidden] thus spoke:

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>In my personal opinion, you can't go wrong with F12000. If you missed >it earlier, you might want to check out the following post rearding >F12000 tweaking and graphics optimization: > >http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=if]/getdoc.xp?AN=671271939.1 > >Enjoy!

I started to read that post on Deja and then I groaned when I got to this part. Please note that I've also optimized my system using the "Cacheman" utility (www.tweakfiles.com/memory/cacheman.html). I highly recommend this -- it's a cheap, painless way to improve your system's performance overall, and you don't have to be a computer guru to use it (just select the "3D gaming system" or "low memory system" setting and re- boot). I've used cacheman and I've tried just about every tweak in the book. In the end the best thing on a Win98 system is to just leave it alone and let it do it's own thing. The only optimization one might want to do is to create a permanent swap file of around 200-250mb. I don't even do that anymore because with 256mb of ram I see no difference in performance. Cacheman helped Win95, but it does nothing for Win98 and if set wrong could make performance worse. That's what I was told by a MSCE anyway. And going by my own experience I tend to believe him. -- Nos

"Morgan V. Wooten�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TvRx5.7944$[email hidden]... > He said he wants fun, not torment! ;) ROFL That's one way to see if he has a sense of humor ;) -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com

> performance. Cacheman helped Win95, but it does nothing for Win98 and > if set wrong could make performance worse. That's what I was told by a > MSCE anyway. And going by my own experience I tend to believe him. > -- > Nos Actually cacheman does doa lot for win 98 and 98se. I'm not sure about millenuim though. This MCSE chap must have got a little confused with Win2K and NT as it will do nothing for them (I'm not sure it will even work on them at all). It's most definatley worth trying out, some people will obviously see more difference than others (it makes the most differecne if you've got lots of ram). Some Call Me Tim (very nearly MCSE)

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:59:00 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: Find a new or used copy of Grand Prix 2.

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>I'm an F1 fan, but not a rabid one. I own a wheel, but not force >feedback. My system is a PIII-550 w/ a 12 meg Voodoo2 and 128meg RAM. >I'm more interested in FUN than accuracy and want to race (w/ >adjustable difficulty), not hot lap. I don't like "driving aids" >because I prefer to control the car, but I do like to be able to turn >down the AI so I can be competitive. I spend little time with games, >so I can't afford hours of practice to gear up for a race. Nothing >frustrates me more than a slide show start, but I consider over 15-20 >fps playable. F1 2000? GP3? Something else? Thanks! > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

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> > > >I'm an F1 fan, but not a rabid one. I own a wheel, but not force > >feedback. My system is a PIII-550 w/ a 12 meg Voodoo2 and 128meg RAM. > >I'm more interested in FUN than accuracy and want to race (w/ > >adjustable difficulty), not hot lap. I don't like "driving aids" > >because I prefer to control the car, but I do like to be able to turn > >down the AI so I can be competitive. I spend little time with games, > >so I can't afford hours of practice to gear up for a race. Nothing > >frustrates me more than a slide show start, but I consider over 15-20 > >fps playable. F1 2000? GP3? Something else? Thanks! > > > > > HEHEHE.........Should I tell him guys........GPL??

It's the best answer this guy should heard. :-) > > hehehehehe

At www.gamecenter.com you can find links to many demos so you can try the games out on your system. F1 World Grand Prix looks like a lot of fun but doesn't run so well on my K6-233MHz Voodoo2 system. Monaco Grand Prix Racing Sim 2 also looks like fun, runs very smoothly for me, but the demo is stuck on the most difficult settings.

Correct me if I am wrong guys, I was under the impression F12000 was d3d only, so the voodoo2 would not be utilizied running it on his machine, but his primary vid card would? -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "Jalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sUVx5.9550$[email hidden]... > Well, F1 2000 is more of a fun game than GP3. From what you said, you'd > probably enjoy > F1 2000 more than GP3. But the down side is, it is a resource hog. I think > your computer > could run it with no problems. Espically with your Voodoo 2 only supporting > 800x600. > You should have no problems running it. > GP3 takes awhile to be competitive. Even on the easy setting. > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8q8605$uni$[email hidden]... > > I'm an F1 fan, but not a rabid one. I own a wheel, but not force > > feedback. My system is a PIII-550 w/ a 12 meg Voodoo2 and 128meg RAM. > > I'm more interested in FUN than accuracy and want to race (w/ > > adjustable difficulty), not hot lap. I don't like "driving aids" > > because I prefer to control the car, but I do like to be able to turn > > down the AI so I can be competitive. I spend little time with games, > > so I can't afford hours of practice to gear up for a race. Nothing > > frustrates me more than a slide show start, but I consider over 15-20 > > fps playable. F1 2000? GP3? Something else? Thanks! > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

Good choice. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8q9go0$hmt$[email hidden]... > Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it. I think I'll give > F1 2000 a go. Sounds like my system will be OK, but not stellar, but > if Voodoo2 gives GP3 fits, that's no good for me (no new hardware in my > near future). Also current season (w/ Indy) is attractive, as is $20 > pricetag. I'll give it a go! > > Thanks again. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.